Hour 2 - JD and the MAGA Movement

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 – JD and the MAGA Movement
Date: October 22, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this high-energy, wide-ranging second hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss the current and future state of American politics, with a heavy focus on the MAGA movement, emerging Republican leaders like J.D. Vance, and the dynamics within the Democratic Party as the country barrels toward the next midterms and the 2028 presidential race. The hosts blend political analysis, cultural commentary, and their personal experiences, delivering a mix of sharp opinion and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Future of the Republican Party and JD Vance’s Rise

• Transition of Leadership Post-Trump:

  • Buck opens by observing that the conversation is rapidly shifting from the current races (NYC, Virginia, New Jersey) to the deeper question of succession within the Republican party as Trump’s era winds down.
  • There is speculation about JD Vance as a likely successor to Trump’s MAGA movement, with discussion about his “on-paper” credentials and personal story appealing to the American Dream.
  • Quote:

    “JD Vance is not...he’s in some ways good-ish on paper. If you like what he believes in. But I don’t know that he can take the whole movement with him.” – iHeart Radio Announcer (05:58)

  • The left’s narrative against Vance is already forming, painting him as “scarier than Trump” due to his youth and intellect, but with “no Riz” (charisma).

• Modern Political Attacks and the “Riz” Conversation:

  • The hosts break down the evolving language of politics, noting attempts to paint Vance as lacking “Riz” (explained as contemporary slang for charisma).
  • Quote:

    “Now, there’s...Riz is shorthand for charisma. I know this from TikTok, because the kids use this.” – Clay Travis (07:14)

• JD Vance’s Family and the Left’s Hypocrisy:

  • Clay pushes back on comments that target Vance’s wife, Usha, noting the left’s tendency to shame women who don’t follow their ideological orthodoxy.
  • They highlight that attacks portraying Vance as a white supremacist ignore the multicultural reality of his family and the broader MAGA coalition of parents concerned about education and culture.
  • Quote:

    “They’re going to be making a JD Vance supports white supremacy and is married to a non-white person.” – Clay Travis (12:29)

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2. Political Realignments and Demographic Shifts

• Changing Parties:

  • Buck and Clay reflect on the radical transformation of the Democratic Party, noting that positions mainstream for Democrats in the 1980s–90s would now be considered Republican or even right-wing.
  • They cite immigration policy and crime as examples, referencing old New York Times editorials and Bill/Hillary Clinton’s stances.
  • Quote:

    “1990s Democrats, many of them…would be Republicans today.” – Clay Travis (08:24)

• Parent Power and Education:

  • The COVID era forced parents to confront the public education system, sparking increased parental involvement in school boards and local politics.
  • The hosts frame this as fueling a cross-racial, cross-political parental uprising that is encapsulated by figures like Usha Vance and the “MAGA mom” archetype.
  • Quote:

    “That was one of the maybe only nice things that came out of COVID…moms and dads were walking through seeing their kids on remote and they said, you’re, this is what your lesson plans are, this is what you’re being taught. And alarm bells started going off.” – Buck Sexton (10:48)

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3. Speculation on 2028 & Democrat Turmoil

• Potential Republican Ticket:

  • Clay floats the idea of a future ticket with JD Vance for President and Marco Rubio as VP, suggesting the MAGA movement would support this succession if/when Trump steps aside.
  • Quote:

    “I do think MAGA will be absolutely behind JD. And I think Marco Rubio is going to be his vice president.” – Clay Travis (14:36)

• Democratic Party Infighting:

  • The hosts mock ongoing and looming Democratic infighting, positing that Gavin Newsom might emerge as the primary victor over Kamala Harris, who is the subject of scathing criticism for lack of accountability.
  • The potential for Kamala to end up as an academic, rather than a political leader, is discussed humorously.
  • Quote:

    “Gavin Newsom, Royal Rumble style, will throw everybody else out of the ring and emerge as the nominee.” – Buck Sexton (15:18)
    “I think UCSB is where [Kamala]’ll end up.” – Buck Sexton (34:12)

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4. Lawfare, Political Retribution, and the Biden Machine

• Cuomo, Adams, and the Weaponization Allegations:

  • Buck and Clay allege the Biden White House orchestrated legal and political attacks against rivals like Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams to clear the field and maintain dominance.
  • They argue much of the “lawfare” against Trump – and even against fellow Democrats – is coordinated from the very top.
  • Quote:

    “I think that Joe Biden ordered the hit on Cuomo, like the Biden White House, because I think Cuomo would have potentially run against Joe Biden...” – Buck Sexton (29:45)

• Media’s Role and Political Reality Checks:

  • Discussion shifts to behind-the-scenes powerbrokers in New York, the importance of media narratives, and the practical realities of New York’s elections, referencing radio host Curtis Sliwa’s quixotic run and John Catsimatidis’ efforts to shape the outcome.
  • Quote:

    “A Cuomo situation is better than a Mamdani situation. And there’s not going to be a Sliwa situation is what they have decided based on the political realities of New York City.” – Clay Travis (41:16)

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5. Personal Anecdotes and Political Culture

• Travel Tales and the Red/Blue Divide:
  • Clay and Buck exchange stories about traveling between red and blue states and their interactions with listeners and fellow travelers, offering humorous takes on the differences in attitude, mask-wearing, and public decorum.
  • Quote:

    “If you just put me on a plane and you didn’t tell me where I was going, but just based on the friendliness of some of the passengers...I know if we’re going to a red state or a blue state for the most part.” – Clay Travis (26:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On JD Vance and “Riz”

  “He’s scarier in certain ways, he’s smarter in some ways. And he’s young and ambitious and agile in the sense that he is a chameleon who makes himself into whatever he thinks the audience wants...” – iHeart Radio Announcer (05:19)

• On Modern Left-wing Politics

  “Left wing women are the predominant bullies in all of the political world because they try to shame other women into thinking for themselves...” – Buck Sexton (13:21)

• On Kamala Harris’ Campaign Spending

  “She spent, buck, $1.5 billion in 107 days...$14 million a day...$584,000 an hour for her 107 day campaign.” – Buck Sexton and Clay Travis (36:06–37:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• JD Vance vs. Trump: Political Narrative – 04:41–07:23
• The “Riz” Conversation – 07:14–07:23
• Vance’s Family, Identity & Left Critiques – 11:08–13:34
• The Parental Political Shift – 10:48–11:38
• MAGA Movement Post-Trump & Ticket Speculation – 14:36–15:31
• Democratic Primary Chaos, Kamala Discussion – 31:56–35:46
• Weaponization of Law Enforcement & Cuomo/Adams – 29:45–31:56
• Catsimatidis, Sliwa & Reality of NY Elections – 40:48–42:09
• Travel/Flying & Red vs. Blue States – 26:17–27:45

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Closing Thoughts

This episode illustrates Clay and Buck’s signature approach: dissecting politics with a blend of tough critique, straight-shooting conversation, and self-aware humor. They outline the high stakes of the upcoming elections, the realignment of party loyalties, and the growing role of parent-led cultural revolts. Expect continued focus on JD Vance as a MAGA standard bearer, skepticism toward Democratic establishment power-plays, and a consistent eye on culture-war developments as the next ballot cycle heats up.

Transcript

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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Podcast.

[Clay Travis]

Hour two of Clay and Buck kicks off now and we are making sense of all of the big political stories going on out there, including, of course, New York City mayor's race will continue to take your talk backs and calls on that one. Just remember, if you're angry, direct that anger at Clay. Also, we will talk about the Virginia governor's race, New Jersey governor's race. Those are, those are pretty big. And for really, I think a lot of us, it's about understanding these political trajectories in advance of the midterms, which keep in mind, once the midterms hit, if the Democrats are able to take the House, they're just gonna stop everything they can in Trump's agenda as fast as they can. So right now we have gotten a little spoiled. Actually. Clay remembers I told the president this when we saw him back in June, said, sir, my only complaint is that you've done something so quickly and so efficiently like securing the border, that now if it doesn't happen right away, there's this feeling of why hasn't this already happened. Look at how quickly you secured the border. Well, that's gonna be a whole lot worse, or rather our disappointment's gonna be a whole lot heavier if Democrats take control of the House or the Senate. I think the Senate's looking pretty good. I haven't gone deep into that map. Senate's looking pretty good, but it's really about the House and whether Democrats can take control. So that's interesting. What's also interesting, of course, is that we are already seeing the beginnings of the narrative shaping efforts for I know it sounds a little crazy, but it's real. Not just the midterm, but what is the future of the Republican Party, the Democrat Party, who's going to be running? Who takes over for Trump? Who takes up the mantle against Trump? I think we're going to be in for a fascinating Democrat throwdown on the primary side, which is always fun because it's just the messier and nastier it gets, the more enjoyable it is. So that's fun for us. But this I thought was interesting, Clay, because we talked about on this show how when Ron DeSantis was getting a lot of attention because, and I'm a Florida resident, I think Ron is, is the best governor in America still. Every time I see anything coming from the governor's mansion in Tallahassee, any, any announcement or anything going on, the governor DeSantis is involved in, I, I, I've almost just come to expect. Well, that's another good decision. That's another excellent move. That's he I've never had this before. Growing up in New York, where, yes, we had the Giuliani era, but there was always the Democrat City Council. And, you know, there have always been the political realities of living in a blue city versus living in a place that has gone decidedly red. But remember how we talked about how they're going to start to say, and this ties into a theory you have about Trump as the unique political talent of the era. They started attacking DeSantis and they even did the when they thought he was going to be running against Trump. DeSantis is worse than Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Remember that.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Here is the former White House press secretary under. It was Obama.

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Right.

[Buck Sexton]

Winnow Jenkins was the initial Biden. Thank you. Before Kareem Jean Pierre. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

She was State Department under Obama. State Department spokesperson. Here she is starting. You're going to see more of this. Oh, well, Donald Trump may be Hitler, but J.D. vance is even worse than Hitler.

[iHeart Radio Announcer]

Play Clip 1 I think the little Manchurian candidate, J.D. vance, wants to be president more than anything else. I always wonder what's going on in the mind of his wife.

[Leon Neyfakh]

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[iHeart Radio Announcer]

Please blink four times. We'll come over here, we'll save you. And that he's willing to do anything to get there. And that your whole iteration you just outlined. I mean, he's scarier in certain ways, he's smarter in some ways. And he's young and ambitious and ambitious and agile in the sense that he is a chameleon who makes himself into whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear from him. Now, what's also True, though, is J.D. vance is not. He's in some ways good ish on paper. If you like what he believes in. I don't know. But I don't know that he can take the whole movement with him.

[Buck Sexton]

No way.

[iHeart Radio Announcer]

I don't think so either. Is no Riz. It's got no Riz. Right. And he just is a little odd.

[Clay Travis]

They are already panicking Clay about this because notice how she can't even really. So now what's it going to be? JD Is scarier, in essence, because he's younger. He's got a more polished, in some ways, resume. I mean, if you want to go down that pathway, he's. He's a scarier, younger. Trump is basically where they're taking this.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's what that, that's the inevitable. They're going to continue to argue again, I'm telling you, and some of you think I'm crazy for saying this as soon as the midterms are over, when we get to January and February of 27, and believe me, the actual 2028 presidential race will effectively start in January and February of 2027. They will start to say Republicans will never be able to replicate Donald Trump for the rest of our lives. They will start to acknowledge that Trump is a unique and transcendent political force. Even the attacks here, he's a scarier version of Trump. But then also notice what they said. He has no Riz.

[Clay Travis]

Now, there's just for everybody, Riz is shorthand for charisma. I know this from the TikTok, because the kids use this.

[Buck Sexton]

My boys. This would be the lingo of the kids. They would say that somebody who has appeal to the opposite sex has lots of Riz, which, as Buck just said, comes from charisma. So they are talking to an audience that probably doesn't know what Riz means and trying to attack JD Vance for not having it. I think actually the most pernicious part of this entire clip is going after the fact that they're saying, oh, J.D. vance's wife could never agree with him on these issues because that just seems like, oh, we've got to go save Usha Vance where they have three kids. I, I feel like I probably know Usha Vance because, and I may be mispronouncing her name, but there are lots of people, Usha, that went to law school thinking, hey, I'm maybe a little bit left of center. I would put myself in this category. And then you have kids and you see the way we're around the same age, you see the way the country is collapsing around you, and you say, this is not the America I grew up in. And I understand some of you reject this argument, but 1990s Democrats, many of them, most of them would be Republicans today. If you grew up in the 80s and the 90s, go back and look at Bill Clinton 92, you'll see these clips circulating every now and then where Hillary Clinton is saying, we can't have illegal immigrants getting free healthcare in this country, where Joe Biden is saying, gotta lock up violent criminals.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, it's even, even more stark than that in some ways. Clay, in 2000, the New York Times editorial board, not an op ed, the actual editorial board, was writing scathing, scathing stuff about illegal immigration, lowering the wages of union workers and hurting black workers in this country, you know, disproportionately because of the competition from illegals for wages that young, particularly young black men would be able to get on the, on.

[Buck Sexton]

The open market, the beginning ladder of employment jobs in America, driving down the cost.

[Clay Travis]

The New York Times tried that. I mean, the New York Times would be an open revolt if someone on the op ed page tried to write that.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, I mean, this is why a lot of you who listen to us now have had a similar political trajectory in your life to where I am. I think that J.D. vance and Usha Vance would be in that category where, look, Democrats used to argue from a sane perspective. Now we played that Abigail Spanberger crazy thing on trans kids. The Vances have three young kids. If you're a mom, regardless of what your politics are. We read that Sam Ponder comment about her daughter in high school, I mean, in middle school, playing against a boy.

[Clay Travis]

She's really good, by the way. Where is she these days? I, I, I never heard of this woman.

[Buck Sexton]

She's a sportscaster person, super successful at espn. They regularly came after her for basically having common.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, okay.

[Buck Sexton]

She married a, a former NFL quarterback and they live in New York City. And I don't think she has a job in media now, which makes me think I should reach out to her and see if she wants to have a job in me.

[Clay Travis]

The next thing I was going to say to you is, Clay, I think you, you might have to talk to this lady.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, what she wrote was well said and I think is representative of lots of moms out there. And certainly the maha movement has wrapped up a lot of this. There are many of you listening to us right now who got kids in school and during COVID you started to see what they were being taught. That was one of the maybe only nice things that came out of COVID is suddenly moms and dads were walking through seeing their kids on remote and they said, you're, this is what your lesson plans are, this is what you're being taught. And alarm bells started going off and a lot of parents all over the country who suddenly got involved with school boards and got involved with where their sons and daughters are going to class and I think gushavants is again a Maha mom ish where she's just looking around and saying, I didn't sign up for crazy.

[Clay Travis]

You know what's going to be tough for them too is when they're arguing that J.D. vance is a white supremacist. That's going to be tough. That's going to be tough for a whole, a whole range of reasons, including his wife and his children. His children are biracial and his wife is obviously not white. But this is a big part of Democrat lore that to be a Republican now in the Trump era, there's this underpinning, there's this, you know, foundational sense of white supremacy. Then again though, they make that, they make the anti, they make the Nazi, which is of course an anti Semitic argument as well about Trump. Even though Trump's son in law is Jewish and his grandchildren on one side or some of his grandchildren are Jewish, you know, they don't care. They'll make the argument even though on its face it's preposterous. But they are going to be making a JD Vance supports white supremacy and is not and is married to a non white person.

[Buck Sexton]

It's not going to register. They're going to make that argument. But there's actually a lot of Indian moms and dads out there who are similar in age to Usha Vance and they're looking around and they're saying this is not the country I grew up in either.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And so I, I think again, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, a lot of moms and dads of roughly our age, as they become parents, start to pay attention to the culture that surrounds their kids. And they're saying, this is not the culture that I grew up in. And so what they're trying to do is bully. That's what this is that. Right. Like Jen Psaki, the. I would say left wing women are the predominant bullies in all of the political world because they try to shame other women into thinking for themselves and, and argue, oh, you have, you're a.

[Clay Travis]

Feminist thinking for them.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, right, of course. But you're a feminist, right? How in the world could you support Donald Trump anyway? They're trying to do it. I think it actually repulses as opposed to attracts and I don't think it's going to work.

[Clay Travis]

I also think that people haven't really yet fully on the other side grappled with what JD Vance represents, which is in so many ways the completed aspiration of the American dream. Comes from a difficult, essentially, you know, low income or impoverished single, single parent, household, drug addict, makes it on his own, joins the Marine Corps, goes to Yale Law School, meets his beautiful, brilliant wife in Yale Law School, is building a family and you know, is loves his kids, carries his kids around with him. And you know, all this is all really powerful stuff for normal people, normal Americans to see. They go, yeah, yeah, I'm into that. He's not some, you know, some guy who happened to marry his third heiress, a lot like John Kerry and you know, moved to a safe district and did all this other stuff and try. And his whole life is about the aspiration of self. I think that there's a lot of J.D. vance's story that is, it's not that it's overshadowed by Trump, but we're still very much in the Trump era. But that the transfer when Trump decides to be kingmaker, assuming he does, which I think he will for JD Going forward, I do think MAGA will be absolutely behind JD And I think Marco Rubio is going to be his vice president. I think this all actually think about how quickly that rolls off of your mind. My mind. And I think a lot of, a lot of you. What's the Democrat plan is to see whether Kamala is such an imbecile that she can't run again or not.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean it's going to end up new some in aoc, as we said.

[Clay Travis]

If I were predicting, but they would not. You will not hear a lot of Democrats say that right now because they don't want to get on the wrong side of it. I don't think that they know they're.

[Buck Sexton]

Going to have, they're going to have an absolute donnybrook when it comes to who the nominee is. I think that, I think Gavin Newsom, Royal Rumble style, will throw everybody else out of the ring and emerge as the nominee.

[Clay Travis]

And JD Will be able to continue not only the machinery of, of Trump and the MAGA movement, but he is ideologically aligned with Trump. You can't have a Democrat who's ideologically tying himself to Biden. That's a disaster. And you also know that they can't win on some of these issues at the national level. So they're going to have to try to play this game of I say one thing to one audience, another thing to another audience. You know, Gavin Newsom is going to be 15 versions of Gavin Newsom if he's the nominee.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, here's the other thing on JD And I think Marco will be this. They're not as bull in a China shop as Trump. How often does Trump get attacked? Not on the final.

[Clay Travis]

I know we're going to miss it. We're going to miss the hilarious tweets.

[Buck Sexton]

I think there is an argument that the bull in a China shop is the reason Trump is president and that the JD may be too disciplined to get as much attention on the issues as Trump does.

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[Buck Sexton]

We are discussing the big elections 13 days away. Virginia, New Jersey. One bit of good news. J. Jones, the Virginia AG candidate for the Democrats who said that he wanted to kill the kids of a Republican, wanted to see them die, has plummeted. And Jason Mearez, who we had on the show about 10 days ago, I would say is surging right now. So again we want everybody out there voting. I think one of the questions that's going to emerge in Virginia is how much is he dragging down the overall ticket. Again, everybody out there in Virginia should be voting for Winsome Sears and Jason Miares. But I do think there is some quiet momentum and if you doubted it, the fact that they have had to get Barack Obama involved in both New Jersey and Virginia, states that do favor the Democrat tickets buck is a sign that maybe the overall narrative is not breaking in their way. Remember Glenn Youngkin caught fire over school related issues about four years ago and rode that to a victory in Virginia. We'll see whether the same kind of school related issues in many ways could also propel still winsome Sears in that direction also.

[Clay Travis]

Absolutely, absolutely. Look, I'm hopeful that Winsome Sears is going to be able to pull off will be a huge win in Virginia. I look, I think she's a great lady and I think that she do great things for a state that's very near and dear to my heart.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Whoa.

[Clay Travis]

Fam today. So we'll be seeing a lot of you who are. Who are listeners to this great Heritage radio station. 100 years. 100 years. Pretty amazing, some people are saying. Amazing 100 years. Not quite the 250 that America will be celebrating, but 100 years is a great milestone and we are looking forward to seeing many of you in this area. It is my third time to Fort Wayne, Indiana. How many guys who grew up in Manhattan have gone on three separate joyous adventures to Fort Wayne, Indiana? I think I'm in. I think I'm in pretty elite company there, Mr. Clay. So, you know, I'm kind of old hat here at all things, for I have been here.

[Buck Sexton]

Although you were telling me somebody's upset at me for call me a liar. What's the late. What's the reason that I was called a liar on social media by this person?

[Clay Travis]

One of our. One of our esteemed Listeners writes, yesterday Clay said he was flying home from New York City. Yet today he continues saying he's in Indiana. Guy's a fraud. Or, or Clay got up early, as I did to go to this thing called the airport and come here. I just. There's another possibility I'm throwing out there. You were in Nashville last night.

[Buck Sexton]

Of all the accusations to be levied against me saying that I'm a fraud. I did, full disclosure, fly from New York City to Nashville late last night, slept at home, and then got up early this morning and flew to Indiana. So if you need, if you need direct evidence, I'm sure there's lots of people who saw me at the airport that can confirm that I did in fact travel from New York City to Nashville back to Indiana.

[Clay Travis]

I've reached a point where I almost could tell, like if you, if you just put me on a plane and you didn't tell me where I was going, but just based on the friendliness of some of the passengers to me on the flight, I can, I know if we're going to a red state or a blue state for the most part. You know what I mean? Like when I'm going in, someone, when I'm flying into Nashville, someone always is like, and you, the people are usually pretty, pretty chill about it, pretty low key, like, hey man, you know, love the show as they walk past, you know, as they're, or you know, as they're walking next to me in line to get on the plane. But when I'm going to LA or New York, very large cities, not always the kid, not always as likely. Not always as likely. It depends, you know, but if I'm, if I'm heading to, to Tennessee or, or, or Texas or any, any very solid red part of the country, we tend to come across our wonderful listeners and I'm always very thankful when they come over and say hi and all that.

[Buck Sexton]

It is fantastic. I will say every time I fly to or from New York City, the number of people still wearing masks on the airplane, it blows my mind. You live in Miami now. You probably don't see it that often now.

[Clay Travis]

Ever not. It's very rare. Do I see it certainly not in like the day to day life and the airports, you'll see a couple of people. But it's in, in national, in la, I saw a lot because I stopped in LA before I went to Taiwan. There were a fair number of masks in that airport.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I mean, I think that's an Asian thing for a long time, right. Taiwan.

[Clay Travis]

I'm Talking about la.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

In Los Angeles. No, there's a lot of masks in Taiwan. And it's one of my only gripes.

[Buck Sexton]

With the entire process.

[Clay Travis]

But they do it for generations. They've been doing it since way before COVID And it's viewed almost more of as like a politeness thing. If you have a cold, I think. And so I give a pass also. I just. The Taiwanese people are so lovely that I just. I just give them a pass on this in general. But there's. You will see a lot of masks in East Asia, for sure. That's a real thing. But that's not a Covid specific thing. That predated.

[Buck Sexton]

This is all Covid specific still. I was kind of blown away on my flight last night from New York City to Nashville. Okay. We have invited. I think we got asked about this a lot. Producer Ali tells me that we have invited Andrew Cuomo three different times on the show. Cuomo will not come on, I think Buck, because I said, I'm going to be honest, a lot of awful things, all true about Andrew Cuomo during COVID And I know you did.

[Clay Travis]

Maybe I could interview him as himself, be like, excuse me, sir, why did you put all of the elderly with COVID in nursing homes at the worst possible time? Please answer this question for me. We could see where he goes and.

[Buck Sexton]

I bet that is one reason that he will not come on. Although my argument would be he should be trying to talk to everybody because he's losing and the race is 13 days away.

[Clay Travis]

Now, if he's scared of us, by the way, what else? What does that tell you?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I mean, look, we would push.

[Clay Travis]

Him hard on some things. I'm actually the COVID thing I wouldn't waste that much time on if we had him on. Just because that's not an issue for New York right now. I do want to hold them accountable. I would ask him about it. But you know, we are not going to turn it into like a Covid fest because I just want old ladies not to be, you know, smashed on the head with hammers by maniacs in the subway and not scare away business and not have the streets filthy. Like, I would just want New York to be well governed and that's what matters right now.

[Buck Sexton]

I actually am curious if Cuomo would tell us. I think that Joe Biden ordered the hit on Cuomo, like the Biden White House, because I think Cuomo would have potentially run against Joe Biden in the primary in 2024.

[Clay Travis]

Under discussed stories is how much of the lawfare against Trump was directly coordinated with the Biden White House. The Biden, not just the Biden doj, of course, which is running it. The Biden White House itself, everybody, it was, it was all being run through command central. And Biden wanted Trump to go to prison. He actually wanted his opponent go to prison.

[Buck Sexton]

And I think he wanted Cuomo done in New York. I think if Biden had wanted to stop that sexual harassment investigation, I mean.

[Clay Travis]

Look, they definitely look what they did to this White House. I'm sorry, previous White House, this Biden White house, man, they fought 30. The Eric Adams thing, that could not have been more clear. You're going to bring federal corruption charges against a mayor for airline upgrades.

[Buck Sexton]

Upgrades. And calling to try and get fire department approval on fire.

[Clay Travis]

You know, like some people didn't see this and they were getting mad. I was like, why are you guys standing up for a Democrat? It's just about standing up for what's right and what's reasonable. The reason they were giving Eric Adams the Code Red was because he was a very important piece early on of telling the real story about illegal waves of migration into American cities that Biden wanted, that Biden's team supported and how it was really cost intensive and bad for those cities. He broke with the consensus on that one and it mattered.

[Buck Sexton]

And every investigation started.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

As soon as he went public and said, we're spending way too much money on illegals. They're taking over hotels. And again, I think that Biden ordered the Code Red through his Department of Justice on Eric Adams and on Cuomo because he saw him as threatening.

[Clay Travis]

Whenever we say Biden, we mean the, the whole crew in that way is.

[Buck Sexton]

Is smart enough or brain worked well enough to be managing all of this. But I think he had awful, awful, vindictive crew surrounding him. Team Biden, if you read the book Original Sin by Jake Tapper, you will find, as I did, that they really did have sort of the Biden mafia that was like a crime family in the way that they held grudges and the way they went after who they perceived to be enemies.

[Clay Travis]

I gotta tell you, man, the comma was 170 days as the commologist on this show.

[Buck Sexton]

Like 170.

[Clay Travis]

It felt like 107 days when I was reading it. But the whole thing is meant to create separation from the Biden disaster and elevation for Kamala. And truly reading this book, it fails because at every stage it's, everyone else was messing up but me. Everyone else was giving bad advice. Everyone Else was making the wrong decision. It is a book of zero accountability for Kamala. And I just think that it comes across too obviously as such for it to be a. Okay, now I'm the. You know, I am separate from this disaster. I didn't just get off one of the lifeboats in the Titanic. I'm actually going to be my own entity now.

[Buck Sexton]

You know what you would do, why you would write a book like that? Because you're going to run again.

[Clay Travis]

No, she wants to. Yeah, but I'm saying I actually, I.

[Buck Sexton]

Am more pun intended with her.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is what. I am more convinced now that there's going to be a lot of pressure on her not to run. Because remember, every dollar that's given to her is not a dollar given to Gavin Newsom. Every person who gets behind her in that primary, Gavin Newsom, is going to be fighting with her. And if she loses the primary, she's done, done, done, finished. She still has chips to cash in for what I've said all along. And I just can't wait until she's. I'm like some third tier school. Clay starts throwing out school names. I'm like, don't. Don't upset our UC audience here with this.

[Buck Sexton]

I think not. It's going to sound funny. I don't think they will give her Berkeley or ucla. I think UCSB is where she'll end up.

[Clay Travis]

But that's. That's where I think this is. This is all heading for her. Just because the book, it did not, it did not come across as. As what was intended also. I mean, she obviously didn't write it. So, I mean, this, it's all. It feels all very stage managed and structured. There's no. Kamala's voice doesn't come across. I look as a commologist, I have to speak honestly about these things. I didn't get a lot of Kamala out of this book. I got a lot of group think, whatever people wanted to write about her that she's hired to try to create the next phase for her. And. And she was a part. You cannot separate yourself as Kamala from the lie, the embarrassing lie of Biden's cognition and Biden's clear deterioration. And this is what, like, look at Clay. Jean Pierre is doing the same thing right now. She's going, oh, I didn't know. I couldn't. Well, so then you're just telling us you're an idiot. That's not good either. I'm an idiot is not a good answer really to very much of Anything and I'm just a really, really shameless liar is also not a good place. They only have two options with this one. So this is why I think the Democrat party has gotta, gotta go in a, in a different direction on this.

[Buck Sexton]

News is coming out today. Speaking of Kamala, that the DNC is still getting bills from her campaign and still paying it off. It's one reason the DNC doesn't have money. It isn't talked about enough. Kamala said they didn't hear my message. That's her argument. She spent buck. $1.5 billion in 107 days.

[Clay Travis]

How much did they actually pay Megan V. Stallion? Wasn't that, Wasn't she the one who performed at one of the. Right on. On contemporary.

[Buck Sexton]

Do the math here.

[Clay Travis]

Contemporary hip hop culture. But what, what was the. Wasn't there. Wasn't there wasn't a Megan the style. Remember the performance that was like, I think it was $10 million they paid or something.

[Buck Sexton]

The math right now on my calculator and I'm not great at math. So if I got this wrong, you guys can correct me. I think her campaign spent buck. Think about this for a minute. $14 million a day. That's. What is that? $500,000 an hour. Keep in mind, for her entire campaign.

[Clay Travis]

That'S for a candidate who should have as the vice president pretty much universal.

[Buck Sexton]

Name recognition and also constant media coverage.

[Clay Travis]

Constant media coverage. The ability to move around a lot with government resources. I mean, she already has a secret service detail. She already has all these things. So no, she, she was a disaster. And look to one of our callers, I think who called in yesterday, it is true that if Cuomo becomes a mayor of New York, I think Cuomo is going to run for president.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Well, look, everybody who is a decent. He may run for president even if he doesn't become mayor of New York, because what else does he have going on? That's how much Kamala spent every day, every hour.

[Clay Travis]

Every hour.

[Buck Sexton]

$584,000 an hour for her 107 day campaign. I mean, I don't even understand how you could spend that amount of money. I mean, obviously a lot of television ads. We'll talk about this a bit more. But I do think that as the dnc and one of the consequences is the RNC has way more money right now raised than the DNC because a lot of people feel cheated based on the Kamala campaign and how much they had to spend to try to get her across the finish line. We want you to get across the finish line. When it comes to remembering all of your family's memories, that's the pictures, that's the 8 millimeter reels. That is the VHS tapes. Whatever you have your family's legacy on, I want you to be able to take advantage of Legacy Box to preserve those memories forever. If you still have photos, film and videos stored away in your home, get them digitally transferred before they disintegrate. These are not made to last forever. That's the entire basis of Legacy Box. And then they have a Legacy Box cloud where they will store it for you, where you can access them again and again. You can watch them consistently on your phone, smart TV or laptop. Legacy Box is the perfect company to trust with your precious memories. You'll like everything about them and how simple they will make it. Go online to legacybox.com clay to save 50 off when you preserve your past with Legacy Box, the legacybox.com I toured their facility in Chattanooga. Your originals will be preserved forever, but they'll also be easy to share on the cloud. On digital files. You can send them from one phone to another. It'll make a tremendous difference in terms of preserving your family's history forever. It's a great gift. Preserve your family's past and their [e-mail] Clay One more time. Legacybox.com Clay We've got a lot of different stories out there that we're gonna dive into in the third hour. And let's see, let's play this because I think it'll set the table for part of our conversation in the third hour. Buck, you know a little bit more about the New York City radio market than I do. But Curtis Sliwa has had a show for a very long time on a cats. John Katz Matias, he owns this station. He has Cats of Matidas, has called.

[Clay Travis]

For Curtis is a great New Yorker. Has very fun.

[Buck Sexton]

For Curtis to drop out of the race. This happened on his station in New York City. Cut 22. Everybody makes mistakes. I've made mistakes. The sign of a decent human being is when you're confronted, you apologize. And I'm waiting for the apologies of my former friends and colleagues at WABC who said that I'm running a lazy campaign and then I'm selfish. That's why you will never see me there again at wabc. I think he's been on the air.

[Clay Travis]

There a very long time on wabc, if memory serves well, he wouldn't be.

[Buck Sexton]

Able to stay on the air while the campaign was going on. So he would have had to withdraw, I think for that purpose. But he seems like he's angry at his, at his radio colleagues for pointing out the truth, which is he can't win and cats him. John Katsimatidas went on Fox News and called directly for him to drop out. I presume that he said this privately and finally decided he needed to say it publicly as well.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think that there are people and, and Jon Katz and his whole, his whole crew over there and also his, they're all very invested in the best possible New York. And I mean that personally and financially the best possible New York imaginable. And so under the circumstances, a Cuomo situation is better than a Mamdani situation. And there's not going to be a Sliwa situation is what they have decided based on the political realities of New York City. But there maybe could be a Cuomo situation that is more likely if Sliwa were to drop. And he's not going to drop. And so here we are. And people can make of that what they will. It is a free country. Curtis Lewa has every right to stay in if he chooses to do so. But the people at WABC and elsewhere and on this show have every right to say that that's just hurting New York or hurting New York's chances to not be a commie hellscape. This is the way it goes, right? It's, it's got to be a two way street. So he's allowed to make that case. We'll try to have him on here. We'll, we'll put out that invite. I know he's done many of our friends radio shows, so we'll have that discussion, but look them up. The Momdani situation is, is troubling, I'll put it that way. I wish I could say that this. I'm gonna like have a lot of.

[Buck Sexton]

Family in New York City.

[Clay Travis]

My family lives in New York, so I am very, this is very near and dear to my heart. I got a little nephew, he's just started school. I mean, you know, this stuff matters on this, on this side of things. So we'll come back to it.

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