Hour 2 - Julie Kelly on the Judicial Coup

Summary

Summary of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Hour 2 - Julie Kelly on the Judicial Coup
Release Date: March 20, 2025

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Introduction

In the second hour of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show," hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into a range of topics, from the excitement of the NCAA tournament to a critical examination of the current state of the U.S. judiciary system. The episode features insightful discussions, notable listener interactions, and a special guest appearance by Julie Kelly, who provides an in-depth analysis of what the hosts describe as a "judicial coup."

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NCAA Tournament Fever

The hour begins with Clay Travis sharing his enthusiasm for the NCAA tournament, highlighting the significance of the opening game between Creighton and Louisville. He emphasizes the strong ratings in cities like Omaha and Louisville, noting their frequent number one rankings nationwide.

• Clay Travis [00:01]: "Creighton, great state city of Omaha... Louisville, also a city where we are regularly number one."

Buck Sexton humorously comments on Clay's deep dive into NCAA statistics, reflecting on their past conversations about enjoying the tournament during school days.

• Buck Sexton [01:10]: "You know, I'm here too. I have no Creighton. I have no idea what you're talking about."

The hosts reminisce about their personal connections to college sports and express appreciation for listeners engaging with the tournament, despite it being during typical work or school hours.

• Clay Travis [01:45]: "I didn't know that stat. That is a great stat."

They continue discussing the ongoing games, sharing updates on team scores and expressing personal connections to the participating universities.

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Judicial Resistance and Political Dynamics

Transitioning from sports, Clay shifts the conversation to the pressing issue of judicial resistance against presidential actions. He presents compelling statistics comparing the number of federal court injunctions against Presidents Obama, Biden, and Trump, illustrating an unprecedented surge of legal challenges faced by the current administration.

• Clay Travis [04:00]: "Trump has already in 60 days had more federal court judges striking down what he's trying to do than Obama did in eight years and then Joe Biden did in four years."

Buck Sexton adds context by referencing the historical challenges faced by previous administrations when exercising executive authority.

• Buck Sexton [05:58]: "They're going to say, but Trump is the most dictatorial and he's Hitler. And they're going to do the usual thing that they always do."

Clay emphasizes the politicization of the judiciary, arguing that the resistance comes not from traditional media or Democratic leaders but from within the federal courts themselves.

• Clay Travis [07:08]: "When five Supreme Court justices decide what the law is, that's the law. But when you have one of 800 federal district court judges trying to stop the President..."

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Special Guest: Julie Kelly on the Judicial Coup

Julie Kelly joins the discussion to provide a deeper analysis of the judiciary's current trajectory. She expresses a bleak outlook on the future, citing the lack of accountability among federal judges and the erosion of public trust in the judiciary.

• Julie Kelly [19:46]: "This is a serious crisis. This is why the public's trust in the federal judiciary is at an all-time low."

Kelly highlights specific cases illustrating judicial overreach, such as judges reversing executive orders related to transgender military service and harshly sentencing January 6th (J6) defendants without due process.

• Julie Kelly [23:08]: "They are making up laws now. These are criminals, right? We're not just paying, you know..."

She criticizes the absence of elite legal representation for J6 defendants compared to the robust defense teams available for purported Venezuelan terrorists, pointing to a systemic bias in the judicial process.

• Julie Kelly [28:35]: "No, none of them stepped up for American citizens because they considered them terrorists."

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Listener Interactions and Banter

The hosts engage with their audience through talkback segments, addressing listener frustrations with the ongoing NCAA coverage and sharing humorous anecdotes about bracket challenges.

• Listener Caitlin from Ohio [17:18]: "I cannot wait until March Madness is over because I'm so sick of hearing all this stats..."

Buck and Clay respond empathetically while maintaining their characteristic humor, illustrating the dynamic chemistry between the hosts.

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Closing Remarks

As the episode concludes, Clay and Buck reiterate their appreciation for Julie Kelly's insights and encourage listeners to remain informed and engaged with the issues discussed. They also share promotional content and tease upcoming segments, maintaining a balance between serious discourse and lighthearted interaction.

• Clay Travis [32:17]: "Julie, keep up the good work. Look forward to talking to you again..."

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Notable Quotes

• Clay Travis [04:00]: "Trump has already in 60 days had more federal court judges striking down what he's trying to do than Obama did in eight years and then Joe Biden did in four years."

• Julie Kelly [19:46]: "This is a serious crisis. This is why the public's trust in the federal judiciary is at an all-time low."

• Julie Kelly [28:35]: "No, none of them stepped up for American citizens because they considered them terrorists."

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Conclusion

Hour 2 of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" offers a compelling blend of sports enthusiasm and critical political analysis. The in-depth conversation with Julie Kelly sheds light on the challenges facing the U.S. judiciary, emphasizing the need for accountability and reform. Meanwhile, the hosts' engaging banter and listener interactions add a relatable and entertaining dimension to the discussion, making the episode both informative and enjoyable for a broad audience.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

Welcome in, Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck, an update on the NCAA tournament, which I am watching out of the corner of my eye. And I'm giving this update because it happens to be the opening game of the NCAA tournament in cities where we have absolutely monstrous, often number one ratings nationwide. So that feels particularly unique. A little bit. Creighton, great state city of Omaha. I hope to be back there this summer. Check out the College World Series again. I. They are up 49 to 34 over Louisville. Louisville, also a city where we are regularly number one. And breaking all of that down, it feels particularly apropos that we would have Creighton and Louisville, two of the cities that we are frequently number one overall in. Omaha and Louisville. So for the college basketball fans out there at halftime, the NCAA tournament under and Creighton is up 15. I remember we had this discussion last year, Buck, where you said you never in your life had a teacher let you watch the NCAA tournament during a school day.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, when you start going into NCAA clay mode, it's. You ever been around somebody when they just start switching into a different language in front of you and you're like, I get it, you're allowed to speak your own language. But you know, I'm here too. I have no Creighton. I have no idea what you're talking about. And no if. Remember New York city, other than St. John's and I'm from Manhattan and New York is really five cities put together in a sense, like the boroughs are all. Brooklyn would be the third largest city in America if it was its own city. Think about that.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't know that stat. That is a great stat.

[Buck Sexton]

That's what you get when you live in New York 30 something years. So yeah, Brooklyn after New York, New York proper and, and Los Angeles, it's bigger than Chicago, so that gives you a sense of how big it is. I just bring it up, Clay, because NYU not an NCAA powerhouse, Columbia University not an NCAA powerhouse. So the colleges that people think of the most in Manhattan as, as the hometown dog, so to speak, not contenders. So people don't pay much attention to it. And you have amazing professional franchises everywhere. That's the other part of it.

[Clay Travis]

Or at least St. John be amazing has been brought back by Rick Pitino, who may be the greatest college basketball coach of the last 40 years. And he's filling up the Garden. And so there's a lot of enthusiasm about St. John's but I did think it was interesting as I'm watching the scores and watching the the games underway that with that the tournament started with two cities we are frequently number one in. So I know a lot of people are probably paying attention in Omaha and in Louisville to what's going to happen in that early matchup. All right. Also, by the way, a lot of brand new affiliates coming in. Purdue, we're number one all over the state of Indiana, is underway right now as well. So for the Purdue fans, you're up 22, 21. And Buck, you, I think one of the greatest days, at least for me, in the 80s and the 90s in public school in Nashville, we would regularly have teachers roll in the television and they would let us watch the NCAA tournament during the school day. So I bet there are some parents out there and grandparents who remember that happening. I bet there's also a lot of you that maybe had a little bit of a scratch in the throat and you're driving around grabbing some pizza, grabbing some lunch, maybe headed to a sports bar called in A Little Bit Sick. This is one of the top Thursday Fridays where people start to get a little bit, a little bit sick, a little bit of a tickle in the throat, can't make it in. So we appreciate all you out there listening to us. Buck, I want to keep hammering this because we talked about it a little bit in the opening hour. We have talked about it this week. But it has become clear that the resistance is not coming from the legacy media. The resistance is not coming from Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries or anybody in the Democrat Party right now. I saw this stat kind of echoing what we were saying up on Fox News this morning. And it was again, kind of bringing home the, the, the history of just exactly how all of this is shaking down and how unprecedented it is. Let me hit you with this. In four, sorry, eight years of Barack Obama as president of the United states, there were 12 federal court injunctions put in place against Barack Obama. Eight years, 12 federal court injunctions. Joe Biden, and we know he was flagrantly violating the law on a regular basis, even bragging about it sometimes. Four years, 14 federal court injunctions. Trump has been president for 60 days and there have now been 15 injunctions brought against President Trump. The Resistance 2.0 is not the New York Times and the Washington Post and MSNBC and cnn. It is not Nancy Pelosi. It is not the leadership of the Democrat Party in any way. It is the federal district court judges. I mean, again, this is an extraordinary stat. I want to hammer it home because it is important for you to understand it. Trump has already in 60 days had more federal court judges striking down what he's trying to do than Obama did in eight years and then Joe Biden did in four years. And we've talked about this buck. Both Biden and Obama said, I have a great deal of executive authority. I'm going to use my executive authority as aggressively as I can. And they basically dared the courts to strike down what they were doing. So AG Pam Bondi is talking about that. She is certainly something else out there.

[Buck Sexton]

For the stats because what they're going to say is, but Trump is the most dictatorial and he's Hitler. And they're going to do the usual thing that they always do. Keep in mind, we have data, we have stats, we know what has happened with some of these previous administrations. The Obama administration did terribly when it came to going to the Supreme Court with this overreach. The Obama administration was a particularly, I'm trying to find the number right now, but it was really low. Meaning that when they finally got their way up to the Supreme Court, Obama got slapped down. You know, I want to say it was like 11 out of 14 times or something. I'll check it out. But it definitely was a case where he kept trying to do things that not just one federal court judge, that the entire Supreme Court said, you really can't do that.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I mean, again, had to do with.

[Buck Sexton]

He, he decided he was going to, he was going to decide when the Senate was in recess. Remember that Senate sets its rules, says we're not in recess. Obama goes, I think you're in recess. So I'm just going to do a recess appointment. That was a big one.

[Clay Travis]

The, the opposition here, the fighting is, it needs to be the case. And I saw our friend Stephen Miller and I think it's important. He Sundays, look, when five Supreme Court justices decide what the law is, that's the law. But when you have one of 800 federal district court judges trying to stop the President of the United States from executing his authority, it is clear that that is not intended to be a long term solution. It's just a roadblock to keep Trump from being able to implement his agenda. And that's what AG Pambondi said. Cut 20.

[Pam Bondi]

We will appeal through the process, but we do anticipate getting there quickly. Yes, we do need the Supreme Court. We anticipate that because many of these lawsuits, of course, are filed right here in D.C. many of these injunctions, these liberal activist judges are based right Here, these, these judges who have no right to control President Trump's agenda. But, yeah, we, of course, we need the Supreme Court. We will get there. We will get there fast, and we will prevail. Look what Donald Trump has accomplished in the short time he's been in office. It's remarkable that they can't stand it. They can't handle it. He is saving our country. We are going to protect Americans. We are going to make America prosperous again and safe again.

[Buck Sexton]

She's been a good hire, someone. Obama lost at the Supreme Court for things that he thought that he could do in the executive branch 44 times, unanimously. 44, 90 decisions against Obama over his eight years. Think about that for a sec.

[Clay Travis]

Look, and let me just say this. I don't blame any president, Democrat or Republican, for trying to use the absolute maximum amount of his power that he can to implement the agenda that he was elected to implement. And the idea that. That's why I think that the pushback, because you'll hear, well, Trump's behaving in a fundamentally unconstitutional white. No, look, what has happened is these federal district court judges, they recognize the way you get promoted. Oftentimes the way you get onto the circuit court and the way you put yourself in the mix to be attorney general or to be a Supreme Court nominee or again, to get promoted to one of the 13 circuit courts nationwide, which is a higher level of judge, is by drawing attention to yourself as one of the foremost opponents to Trump. Because Democrats are going to have a president again at some point, and these guys and gals are trying to put themselves in position to get elevated by being the most anti Trump they can. They're competing.

[Buck Sexton]

That's all true. And what we are seeing is a true end to the public's perception that the judiciary is nonpartisan. And I know that we are told. Oh, but the judiciary, we were told that about the media, too, endlessly. For our entire adult lives. The media, the journalists are just trying to bring you the facts. Journalism is, you know, the fourth estate really a fifth column. But same idea. They're. They're trying to just present you with the truth. And that was all a lie. The notion that the judiciary is not a. If it wasn't a political instrument, why are Supreme Court confirmations an absolute slugfest, particularly when the Democrats don't want somebody on. We can all see what's gone on here. We all understand. And the machinery of judicial confirmation, which, by the way, Mitch McConnell actually excelled that. Obama and Biden unfortunately, got a lot of judges through Too, but. And Trump got a lot of judges through in 2016. But the machinery of judicial confirmation is thought of as really political insurance. And I think some would say as an extra layer of legislature, depending if you're a Democrat. You certainly think of it that way.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I think it's unfortunate. I'm hopeful, and this is where I, you know, I'm a lawyer and I try to speak at a favorable way. Buck shaking his head. He's disappointed. This is where I hope that actually the abortion decision of Dobbs, which took everything back to the states. I am cautiously optimistic that Roe v. Wade was such a litmus test case that it overshadowed so many other aspects of what a Supreme Court justice would do. I'm somewhat hopeful that in the decades ahead, this could become a little bit less contentious of a process. I may be wrong. That may be too, too positive of a perspective on this, but the fact that you just need a bare majority to get a Supreme Court justice onto, onto the bench. And I will say I love your.

[Buck Sexton]

I love your optimism, but we just had to have the court step in to say, you can't lock up a president because you don't like what he did as president.

[Clay Travis]

So thankfully they did step in, though. That's where my optimism comes right now. Scary thing.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay. I mean, you know, we saved the republic by a whisker on that one.

[Clay Travis]

Well, the scary thing, Buck, is if Hillary Clinton had been able to make the appointments that, that, that Donald Trump did, I'm not sure how the Supreme Court would have ruled. I think in the decades ahead, the rulings that they gave on presidential immunity and presidential privilege and the ability to do your job actually ended up being correct. And they're hopefully are gonna stand for whether it's a Democrat or Republican in the future. In an ideal world, judges would stand on principle over politics. And I will say this, a lot of what they end up having to decide oftentimes are things that they never had to consider beforehand. For instance, would you have ever believed that the Supreme Court was gonna hear a case on whether the federal government could mandate a vaccine? I mean, that is a crazy case to have thought that you might ever hear. Fortunately, they got the right result. But remember how crazy the three Democrats were in terms of what they would have allowed Joe Biden to do? It would have been in a truly atrocious precedent.

[Buck Sexton]

I love your optimism. I do not share it. I think that the days of believing that the judiciary is going to be something that kids are taught in school. Oh, and they grow up and they know and they believe that this is above politics. The judiciary is unfortunately, very much just the same way that prosecutors. Does anyone ever argue anymore, Clay, that prosecutors are not instruments of politics in certain instances on certain cases? Well, wait till you get a politically volatile case and then everybody realizes the, you know, the district attorney or the U.S. fed. The U.S. attorney. So that's changed. And I think this is changing, too. People realize judges have politics and they bring politics to every decision they make.

[Clay Travis]

Let me give one more moment of brief optimism here. I do think one of the significant aspects of Trump's victory in 2024 may be the lesson of it blows up in your face when you try to use the judiciary too aggressively against your political opponent. That I'm again, cautiously optimistic. I do think that blew up in Democrats faces and ended up solidifying Trump's base in a way that it wouldn't have if they hadn't come after him.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's like we made a goal line stand, Mr. NCAA.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, we made a goal line stand. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And maybe we've recovered the football and now we're on offense, but we're on our own five yard line. Okay. When it comes to where we are.

[Clay Travis]

Actually a really good sports analogy from you there. I'm going to, I mean, in all.

[Buck Sexton]

Seriousness, you know, I pay attention. You know, Padawan is over here learning as he goes. We'll take some of your calls on this and also some talkbacks and we'll dive more into this here in a second. Now, we just spoke about Roe. Roe got overturned, but abortion is still happening in so many states at just tragic levels across the country. And there's no end in sight for the abortion industry, unfortunately. But there is something we can do in the meantime, and that is help pregnant moms who are facing that difficult decision for them in that moment between life and abortion for their unborn child. This is where the preborn network of clinics comes in. It's not enough to just vote as your pro life conscience dictates. You can do something. You can help those who are on the front line saving tiny babies day in and day out. That is what Preborn does. Preborn operates clinics across the nation in cities where there are the highest rates of abortion. I've been to one of them here in Miami. It's incredible the work that they are doing and they are saving lives every day. In 20 years, 300,000 babies have been born that might not have been otherwise, thanks to Preborn. When you make a donation to Preborn, your gift provides for that ultrasound that allows preborn to introduce mom to the tiny baby in her womb. Because once mom sees the heartbeat and understands really what's growing inside her so often, the choice is life. Statistically, it shows this. This is how preborn is saving babies day in and day out. So please consider a donation today. To donate, securely dial £250, say the keyword baby. That's £250, say baby or visit preborn.com buck preborn.com B U C K sponsored by Preborn Stories of Freedom. Stor Stories of America.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got Julie Kelly joining us shortly here. This is gonna be a quick turnaround, but she'll dive into the judicial coup with us. She's following this stuff very closely. You remember her. She also has a particular perspective seeing what the judges did to J6 defendants versus how some of these judges are acting. Now. On behalf of Trend Aragua, we will get into that, but we have talkback ll listener in Akron, Ohio, K. Lynn. Let's hear what she says. Hey, guys, it's Caitlin in Ohio. I just want to say, as a white educated woman with a master's degree, I cannot wait until March Madness is over because I'm so sick of hearing all this stats and all this stuff that I really don't care about. But I keep listening to you guys, so I can't wait for it to be over.

[Clay Travis]

Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to hand that. I'm going to hand that off to you, Clay. I feel like you. I feel like she's being. I feel like you're being judged right now.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, is Caitlin married to a male is just off the top rope on March Madness, maybe the greatest Thursday of the year in the United States? And in Akron, Ohio, a state that is crazy for college sports. I'm sorry that she has so much hate in her life, Buck. I wish that she was happier.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I appreciate Kalyn giving us her talk back and giving us her ears for this show. I'm also curious. Oh, I got. I got a question about this, but I'll ask it later. That's a tease.

[Clay Travis]

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[Julie Kelly]

Well, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going to go with the latter because of course, I have covered, especially in Washington, D.C. and I've talked about with you guys, what's happened with the J6 proceedings in Washington and the case against the president. These judges feel impervious and they have not been held accountable. When Chief Justice John Roberts issued that really inappropriate, I think statement about impeachment not his place, number one, the problem is not that impeachment is thrown around or overused. The problem is that impeachment has not been used. I think 14 federal judges have been impeached. Only eight have been convicted. Congress has completely advocated its oversight role of the federal judiciary. So this is how you get Jim Bosberg and this is how you get Tanya Chutkan and Beryl Howell and these other judges because they know they're not accountable. So until these judges are held accountable and not by being reversed by the Supreme Court. I saw that in the immunity case. I saw that in the Fisher. The overTurning of the 1512 against J6ers, these lower court judges. And if they're Democrats, they don't think that the Supreme Court is legit event anyway. So this is a serious crisis. This is why the public's trust in the federal judiciary is at an all time low. And Republicans who are threatening to file articles in impeachment, I think some have been filed or to strict jurisdiction from some of the most egregious political actors on the bench, or simply to shut down the D.C. federal court system, which I've advocated for years. Strong measures need to be taken. Otherwise this is going to actually help.

[Buck Sexton]

It really bothers me, Julie, to see how much the D.C. circuit Court is essentially an extra branch of government. It's like the fail safe for the deep state. Right? They can, they can bring any case they want there. And they know that unless the Supreme Court steps in, they'll get their way. And this is very clear, the fact that they didn't. I always have to remind people of this that none of the J6 related individuals were able to get a different. A different venue for the trial. I think even. I think Timothy McVeigh was given a different venue for his trial from Oklahoma City, if memory serves. Like this is a standard thing in the justice system for people if there's considered to be a prejudiced jury to be able to get it. No one, right? No one got a. Got the court or got the jurisdiction. The venue moved from D.C. so that's very troubling. Some of these district judges, other stuff that they've come up with, the ones that to me are. Well, the turning around of the plane with the trend, guys, that's. That seems to be the most egregious, I think, to most of us. But a couple of other ones, Julie, the. And you're familiar with these different judges. I know too. So that's the thing. You know who these individuals are from covering them. The judge who said that you can't ban transgenders from serving in the military. And now there's a judge that I believe has ordered the DoJ to return men to a women's prison who say they're transgender. Like this is just. They're just making up laws now.

[Julie Kelly]

They are, and they're completely undermining. And these are all related to presidential executive orders. So what you're talking about is Anna Reyes, who is the first LGBTQ Biden appointed district court judge in Washington, basically reversing vacating the President's executive order on transgenders in the military. Royce Lamberth, a Reagan appointee who I watched just absolutely throw the book at J6ers, throwing grandmothers in prison for 57 months on the obstruction count that was later overturned. And he himself rejecting the President's executive order and ordering the government, US to pay for hormone therapy and transitional surgery for these trans who are in prison. These are criminals, right? We're not just paying, you know, for whoever wants it. They are in federal custody. And then, of course, Jim Bossberg, ordering verbally for the Department of Justice and DHS to return flights that were already in the air out of US Airspace, very likely traveling over either Mexico or Central America, ordering the return of those flights carrying known illegal immigrants for suspected Venezuelan terrorists tied to that TVA day. Who do these judges think that they are? And so now what Bosberg is doing is, I think, setting up a contempt trap because he was saying, well, I made this verbal order. You should have turned the planes around. No planes should have taken off that day at all because I was holding this hearing. And this is a temporary restraining order that he issued, actually two of them on Saturday that will last 14 days and again preventing the President and his team from executing his proclamation over the weekend of the Alien Enemies Act. So, excuse me, this is. This is very reckless, very destructive and dangerous. No one should be defending what these judges are doing. Now, of course, all of these are going on appeal. There's oral arguments in the Venezuelan Terrace case on Monday afternoon. I'll be covering that live. But I'll tell you, as bad as I knew these judges were and how they just repeatedly denied SharePoint due process for J6ers, refusing every single case to move those trials out of Washington, D.C. to now see them leap to the rescue and allegedly protect the, quote, unquote, due process rights of illegal and suspected gang members from Venezuela that pose a legitimate threat to this country, not the J6ers did. It's pretty head spinning hypocrisy.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Julie Kelly. Julie, you mentioned the Jan Sixers. And when you first started coming on with us four years ago, you were one of the very few people out there actually shining a light on how they were being treated. Given the Democrat obsession with January 6th and the years that they spent on it, are you somewhat surprised that Trump came in immediately, pardoned every January Sixer, and the story just vanished? I mean, isn't that kind of interesting? Because there were all these arguments out there oh, if Trump pardons all the Jan Sixers, this will be a constitutional crime. And he did it. And no one Even mentions hardly January 6th anymore. Are you surprised at how quickly it's kind of vanished?

[Julie Kelly]

Yes, I will say that I am. As you guys know, I talked to the President a few days before Inauguration Day, talked to him for at length about what had happened to the G6ers, you know, the various pardon proposals he expressed. He was very committed to blanket pardon with a few exceptions. And that's of course, exactly what he did. And there was some noise about it for what, a week or 10 days, and then has completely disappeared. And the Democrats even want to forget about January 6th, I think was Jamie Raskin said a few weeks ago, oh, can we stop talking about January 6th already?

[Buck Sexton]

It's really funny, right?

[Julie Kelly]

But, yes, I am very surprised, but happily so. And you know, it's great to see these people starting to pick up the pieces of their lives. But, you know, I was reading one of the filings today in the Venezuelan terrorism case, and these illegals have stables of lawyers defending them and fighting the government on behalf of the alleged rights that these illegals have. And it's really disturbing that we saw none of that for American citizens wrongly prosecuted for participating in the events of January 6th. I mean, this whole legal judicial system is so upside down.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just jump in really quick, Julie, to say that from my understanding, from friends in the, in the legal world, if you defend, like, if you would defend Osama bin Laden, you obviously that won't happen. But if someone could do that, that would be considered a feather in their legal cap going forward. They could say it's like John Adams defending the redcoats like everyone deserves. But no one felt that way in a lot of the big law firms and in sort of the big law world about J6American?

[Julie Kelly]

Yeah, absolutely not. Most of them defend relied on public defenders. Some of those public defenders were very good. Others were terrible. And I saw, I saw both sides to that. But going back to Jeb Busberg, I was in a courtroom in December, the week before Christmas, he put a woman who went inside the Capitol for nine minutes, committed no violence, charged with four misdemeanors. He put her on trial the week before Christmas before a D.C. jury juror from a city that had just voted 92% for Kamala Harris. He completely ignored her pleas to postpone the trial until after the president was inaugurated, knowing that she would be getting a pardon because of course, she only had misdemeanors and he denied postponing that trial, put her on trial for three days. She was immediately convicted by the CC jury. So that's the mindset of these judges. No due process, no protection of constitutional rights for American citizens because they're Trump supporters. But he swooped in Saturday as soon as he possibly could, ordering planes to be turned around carrying Venezuelan terrorists and now fighting the government for disclosures, details of those deportation flights. Just, I mean, how can you, how can the government deal with someone like that? You can't block.

[Clay Travis]

I'm glad you brought that up about the quality of legal representation, because I remember this was one of the first things we talked about with you, Julie, was you were raising money so that the lawyers could be better. John Adams defended the Boston Massacre, British soldiers in a pre revolutionary America. For people out there that have forgotten, because it used to be a basically foundational belief of lawyers that everybody deserved the best possible legal representation, even people who were accused of heinous crimes. And to buck's point, and I know you saw this, Julie, everybody wants to line up. I've got friends who worked on 9, 11 prosecutions. The people who were involved in flying planes into our buildings have elite representation. I, Look, I don't begrudge that because I think that is the American system of justice. But Julie, just to kind of finish here, how many elite lawyers were willing to step forward and volunteer their time to rep the J6ers?

[Julie Kelly]

There were no elite white shoe law firms that stepped up to defend a single J6 or not one. Again, there were some very good lawyers, some that were retained privately, most that were court appointed or public defenders, but not a single. You see all of these law firms lined up not just defending these terrorists, but fighting the Trump administration on anything. These are all big name law firms. No, none of them stepped up for American citizens because they considered them terrorists. The Venezuelan gang members, the tattoos all over the place, who have suspected ties to tda, they're not terrorists, they're victims. But you walk inside the Capitol for nine minutes, commit no violence, and you have the chief judge of the D.C. district Court putting you on trial in the most democratic city in the country for a quick conviction. So no, none of them did. So shame on these law firms. And this is why I'm so glad to see the President doing what he can to vilify these law firms, strip them of security clearances, access to documented buildings, and doing, yes, damage to their business, because that's exactly what they deserve.

[Clay Travis]

Julie, keep up the good work. Look forward to talking to you again and thank you for the last four years. How awesome you've been talking to us and keeping us updated on all this.

[Julie Kelly]

You guys are awesome for always having me on. Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

It's technically me, but we're, we're good. We're good. You know, we passed, we passed the ball back and forth here and sometimes it goes off of one of our feet or the ref's knee or something. That's just the nature of live radio. But, Clay, I know you're fired up because there's some incoming here. There's some incoming on the talkbacks. I don't know how many of these we need to get to. We have a whole page of talkbacks of people saying they don't want to hear anything more about March Madness.

[Clay Travis]

I am what's stunned beyond belief over this. I mean, over the outrage over March Madness.

[Buck Sexton]

I. I have never. I don't know. I mean, I will. I will keep to myself on this one because everyone, I think, understands where I am. I am hopeful that never having watched a March Madness game, I just want to be very clear on this. Never. I've never watched one and I'm not going to this month either. But I am hoping that I can take Clay down in the bracket challenge just because then I get to be smug about it for a week on the radio. That is my.

[Julie Kelly]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

And he has to take me out for a steak. So this is my fond, my fond dream. Clay, do you want to get to these? Pretty much all the talkbacks are on this. I don't know what to say.

[Clay Travis]

Let's give people opportunity. Hour three to continue. I did want to play this because these two are very funny. Let's play Talkback EE the great battle over Gladiator 2. Nate from Utah wanted to weigh in.

[Buck Sexton]

I just want to say I think you guys balance each other really well and whenever one of you has to go solo, it's still a good show, but just not quite the same. So I hope you guys can keep the show going together for many more years to come. And I just want to say, Clay, Gladiator 2 sucked. At least. Taste in movies for sure.

[Clay Travis]

Very nice. And then off the top. And then I love this guy. Buck, I don't know if you've seen this. FF this is a man who's fired up about your dislike for pickles.

[Buck Sexton]

FF I'm just a little bit confused because apparently Buck thinks pickles are not okay on hamburgers, but somehow pickles is okay on football players. I don't know. Like I say, a little confused, but it's all good.

[Clay Travis]

Very well played, Buck. Who inadvertently thought George Pickens was George Pickles when it came to sports picks in the NFL. Anti pickles on hamburgers. Pro pickles on the football field. That's a good callback from that listener.

[Buck Sexton]

I will say I got smoked in my own poll on that one. 75% of people on X said they like pickles on hamburgers. The world has gone insane.

[Clay Travis]

Great taste.

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