Hour 2 - Kamala Woofs?

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - Kamala Woofs?
Date: February 5, 2026
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Main Theme: Democratic 2028 Nomination Drama, Kamala Harris’s Prospects, Political Authenticity, and Shifting Political Narratives

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Episode Overview

This hour focuses on the ongoing comic unpredictability and drama surrounding Vice President Kamala Harris’s political future, particularly her potential as the 2028 Democratic presidential nominee. Clay and Buck use a healthy mix of satire and political analysis to deconstruct Harris’s latest campaign maneuver, compare her public persona to pop culture parodies, and debate her actual chances in the next primary. Along the way, the hosts dissect broader issues such as primary state strategies, racial politics in the Democratic Party, political memory, and authenticity, all while engaging listener feedback and breaking news—most notably, updates on the high-profile Nancy Guthrie disappearance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kamala Harris’s New “Headquarters” Announcement

• Discussion:

  • Clay opens by mocking Kamala Harris’s latest official video where she unveils “Kamala HQ,” a new digital “headquarters” for supporters.
  • Both hosts play the actual audio of her awkwardly enthusiastic announcement.
    • Kamala Harris (Clip, 04:10): “Kamala HQ is turning into headquarters... it’s where you can go online to get the latest of what’s going on and revisit with some of our great courageous leaders... I’m really excited about it.”
  • Clay draws a sharp, comedic analogy to the sitcom “The Office,” comparing Harris’s announcement to the fictional "WUPHF" social network, highlighting its forced energy and lack of substance.
  • They riff on Harris’s perceived inauthenticity and her difficulty executing natural, off-the-cuff interactions.

• Memorable Quote:

  • Clay Travis (05:44): “When I watch every Kamala video, I can’t help but think, Buck, how many versions of this did she do before they ended up on the awful version that they put out there?”

2. Will Kamala Run? The Steak Bet and Primary Strategy

• Heavy Segment: [06:04–18:36]
• Discussion:
  • Clay and Buck resurface their ongoing steak dinner bets over Kamala’s 2028 intentions.
  • Clay’s Position: Kamala will not only run but will become the Democratic nominee, based on strategic primary reform and demographic realities.
    • He explains that if southern states like Georgia or South Carolina move up in primary order, Harris’s strong support with black voters will carry her.
    • Clay Travis (08:59): “What I would tell her is pour all your attention behind the scenes into making sure that a southern state is the first primary state... black voters are going to show up in huge numbers for Kamala Harris.”
  • Buck’s Counter: This is political suicide for Democrats; Kamala’s poor campaign skills and previous failures make her a massive liability.
    • He foresees a showdown where Newsom will “wipe the floor” with her.
    • Buck Sexton (13:45): “To run her again as their nominee... would be political malpractice for Democrats on the same scale as trying to run Biden for, for a reelection given his clear dementia. It is unfathomably dumb for them to do this.”
  • The debate delves into whether Democratic primary voters and the Party establishment value “owed opportunity” for Kamala or will pivot quickly to a new, more electable alternative.

3. General Primary and Identity Politics Analysis

• Further Insights:
  • Clay speculates that Kamala’s south-oriented, black-voter-centric strategy echoes Joe Biden’s 2024 path via primary calendar manipulation.
  • Buck insists black Democratic primary voters want a “winner” above all, not merely a representative first; Kamala did little to excite the base or the swing-state electorate in previous races.

4. Political Memory, Flip-Flops, and Authenticity

• Joe Scarborough Soundbite [28:49]:

  • Clay and Buck play a montage of Joe Scarborough criticizing California Democrats for proposing driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants—a stance now antithetical to his present MSNBC persona.
    • Joe Scarborough (Clip, 29:19): “By giving these criminals the most accepted form of identification in America, the California Democrats buy votes for themselves.”
  • The hosts highlight the way high-profile pundits rebrand themselves for audience and career, erasing previous positions.

• Chuck Schumer on Voter ID [30:40–32:48]:

  • They mock Schumer’s continued “Jim Crow 2.0” talking point, even when most Americans—including 71% of Democrats—support voter ID.
    • Chuck Schumer (Clip, 31:03): “It’s Jim Crow 2.0... They’re trying to do here the same thing that was done in the South for decades to prevent people of color from voting.”
  • Buck exposes the cynicism behind such rhetoric:
    • Buck Sexton (32:48): “It’s for Democrats just an opportunity to call Republicans racist, which is their single favorite thing to do.”

5. Breaking News: Nancy Guthrie Disappearance Update

• [24:31–27:29; 38:44–43:33]

• Clay relays fresh details:

  • No suspects currently identified.
  • $50,000 reward offered.
  • Blood on porch confirmed as Nancy Guthrie’s, but authorities believe she is still alive.
  • Both hosts analyze plausible scenarios, with Clay noting the signs of a planned, non-random kidnapping.

• Notable Listener Inquiry [41:33]:

  • Call-in from Tucson questions likelihood Guthrie was taken into Mexico.
  • Buck reasons U.S. authorities are unlikely to pursue into Mexico, making cross-border abductions complicated for law enforcement.

6. Audience Interaction: Listener Calls and Talkbacks

• Composed of reactions to the Kamala and Guthrie topics.
  • Some listeners think Clay’s Kamala bet is delusional; others agree with his logic that identity politics will ultimately hand her the nomination.
  • Example:
    • Sarah from Milwaukee [43:39]: “There is no way that Kamala is going to win the nomination this time around.”
    • Richard from South Carolina [44:19]: “The primary is going to be about angry women and racism and the thought that Kamala is owed an opportunity for a full cycle. Newsom has no shot.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kamala HQ Announcement:

  • Kamala Harris, 04:10: “Kamala HQ is turning into headquarters... where you can meet and revisit with some of our great courageous leaders... Stay engaged and I’ll see you out there.”

• Office Parody:

  • Clay Travis, 05:44: “When I watch every Kamala video, I can’t help but think... how many versions of this did she do before they ended up on the awful version that they put out there?”

• Steak Bet Stakes:

  • Clay Travis, 08:20: “I think she’s going to be the nominee. And I’m going to give you my logic.”
  • Buck Sexton, 13:45: “To run her again as their nominee... would be political malpractice.”

• Identity Politics Strategy:

  • Clay Travis, 11:14: “If there is a Black-focused Southern state strategy, Kamala is going to be the nominee.”

• Buck’s View on Black Voters:

  • Buck Sexton, 11:14: “They want to vote for a winner... I don’t think anybody... after what happened this last time around [wants her].”

• On Political Flip-Flopping:

  • Clay Travis, 29:53: “I think he started making a lot of money. That guy and I could definitely play some croquet together...”

• Voter ID and Schumer’s Rhetoric:

  • Buck Sexton, 32:48: “It’s for Democrats just an opportunity to call Republicans racist... Their single favorite thing to do.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Kamala HQ & “Wolf” Satire: 04:10–06:00
• Steak Bet, Democratic Primary Strategy: 06:04–18:36
• Nancy Guthrie Update (facts & analysis): 24:31–27:29, 38:44–43:33
• Joe Scarborough Throwback (illegal immigration): 28:49–29:53
• Voter ID/Chuck Schumer segment: 30:40–32:48
• Listener Calls and Talkbacks: 39:12–44:47

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Conclusion

This hour from “The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show” delivers a blend of sharp political humor, strategic analysis, and timely news. Clay and Buck’s extended riffs on Kamala Harris’s campaign messaging, the intricacies of Democratic identity politics, and the fraught primary process are as provocative as they are entertaining. Audience interaction deepens the analysis, bringing in voices that both echo and challenge the hosts’ stances. The juxtaposition of past and present Democratic rhetoric, highlighted by the Scarborough and Schumer clips, underscores their central claim: political memory is short, and authenticity in politics is hard to find.

For listeners, this episode is a primer on both the comic surrealism and the real strategic implications of Democratic Party politics in 2026—and a front-row seat to the speculation over who will lead the party into the next era.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program. Let me start off with something. Well, let me go ahead and give you an update here. We are right now monitoring the latest press conference that is taking place in Arizona surrounding the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. And we will have coverage of any information that comes out from that information that that is underway right now. And we've got a guest, Lyndon Blake, who works at the Daily Wire and has been covering this at the bottom of the hour, just FYI. And I don't know if we said this earlier, we probably should have. Pennsylvania Senator Dave McCormick is going to be on with a. Scheduled to be on with us in the third hour. There are a lot of different moving parts, as is always the case with senator schedules, so exactly when remains in flux. But, uh, we hope to be able to talk to him during the course of the program. Okay. Lots of serious things going on, Buck. But one thing that is always fun is mocking Kamala Harris for being one of the most inauthentic politicians that we have ever seen. And Kamala decided that she had a big announcement that was incredibly important. And that announcement was that she has a new headquarters on the Kamala website. And this is what that sounded like for those of you who missed it this morning. Kamala Harris, major announcement. Listen, Madam Vice President, what's going on with Kamala hq?

[Kamala Harris (clip)]

Well, I'm so glad you asked. I have good news. So Kamala HQ is turning into headquarters and it's where you can go online to get basically the latest of what's going on and also to meet and revisit with some of our great courageous leaders, be they elected leaders, community leaders, civic leaders, faith leaders, young leaders. I'm really excited about it. So stay engaged and I'll see you out there. Thank you.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. So Kamala did this. Buck and I immediately, when I watched this this morning as I was getting ready for the. For the program. For those of you out there that are fans of the Office, one of the all time best comedy sitcoms. I mean, I think it's, you know, top three or four all time. If, if you are got kids out there and you want to them and have them watch a show, my boys have gotten to where they will watch office episodes with us. They think it's really funny. Maybe the last great, really funny on air sitcom to air. In on broadcast television. Here was Ryan, the intern from the office, announcing his new big tech platform. For those of you who remember, it was called Wolf. This is what that sounded like.

[Buck Sexton]

Wolf is a site that I'm launching to be the last word in social NETWORKING. For just 1299amonth, Wolf links up all your communication portals so you are always within reach. Part of the dog pack, as I call it. But look, why tell you when I can show you? I just sent myself a wolf. Ryan, you have a wolf on line one. Thank you, Aaron.

[Chuck Schumer (clip)]

Wolf.

[Clay Travis]

All right, so everything goes off all at once. When I watch every Kamala video, I can't help but think, buck, how many versions of this did she do before they ended up on the awful version that they put out there? And I also think every time I see Kamala, I can't wait to have the steak that I'm going to win. Cause she's 1 billion percent running.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't even, I can't even. I'm not selling any, any plots on Buck island this time. I think I probably got too emotional with my disdain for all things Kamala. She, by the way, she. See, this is what's so unfair. From the beginning, I've nailed that. She will eventually. She will eventually be the chancellor of a use of a third tier UC school who, you know, like has some memoir that nobody actually reads. You know, that's where she's headed. And I've called that for years.

[Clay Travis]

She's not going to be president.

[Buck Sexton]

She's not going to win the nomination. I maybe got a little ahead of my skis. Maybe a little ahead of my skis. But she's not even going to run because that would just be. Because here's the problem with my position on this. People forget how awful she is. And she's counting on even Democrats forgetting about how awful she actually is. She does have name recognition. I do think the Newsom Kamala, if it happens, and I'm not totally abandoning my post here, but I think we're about. I think, I think I'm about to get overrun on this one. I think Buck island, the lave the waves are lapping higher and higher on the beach of Buck island here. I think that it's likely that the Gavin Newsom Kamala Harris throwdown because only one will really emerge from this. I don't think Kamala would take a VP job again. Do you think she would do that? Like if Gavin won, would he offer her vp?

[Clay Travis]

I don't think they like each other, Buck. I'm Gonna blow your mind here because I'm gonna give you another opportunity. So I think you're. I think you're slowly acknowledging that I'm gonna win the steak bet on she's gonna run. You know what I bet some of our friends with? I was out to dinner with a bunch of our friends, let's see, on Tuesday night in la, and I bet everyone at the table. There were six of us. I bet the other five guys at the table. I said, not only is Kamala gonna run, she's gonna be the nominee. So I will give you. Buck, an opportunity that I will give you. She's a. Not anywhere near even money, but I will give you. I think she's gonna be the nominee. And I'll give you straight up.

[Buck Sexton]

Am I able to. Am I able to roll my she won't even run bet? Oh, look at this. He's waving that off.

[Clay Travis]

I already got house money. But I am giving you the opportunity to. I think she's going to run. I think even you recognize. I think most people out there recognize that she's going to run, but I think she's going to be the nominee. And I'm going to give you my logic. So I'm giving you right now, before I even give you the logic, I will allow you to make an additional bet on Kamala Harris will not be the nominee, which could mean that I have to buy you a steak dinner to make up for the fact that you basically already lost another steak dinner to me over Will Kamala run?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, man. I mean, you're.

[Chuck Schumer (clip)]

We're really.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I got. I got. I got a mortgage to pay.

[Clay Travis]

You know, I'm gonna.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm gonna double up on my stakes.

[Clay Travis]

Do you need to leave and go make sure it's okay with Carrie?

[Buck Sexton]

Do you need to go consult with.

[Clay Travis]

The bosses to see whether the money.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, I. I think. I think you're. Let me think on this one a little bit.

[Clay Travis]

All right? Let me make. Let me make.

[Buck Sexton]

Because I. Because I made an emotional call with. Kamala's not even going to run. And now I'm feeling like. Because people forget. Clay, she was so awful and lost so badly. The fact that the Democrats are even considering, like, thinking about putting her up again is complete madness.

[Clay Travis]

But they're lunatics, so think about this, all right? Let me make. Let me pretend that I am advising Kamala Harris, which is probably means that I'm smarter than anybody that is actually advising Kamala Harris. She lays low. She does these stupid things like, hey, we're going to have HQ67 or whatever the heck this thing is called. But she relies on one inescapable fact. What I would tell her is pour all of your attention behind the scenes into making sure that a southern state is the first primary state. Georgia, South Carolina, heck, Tennessee. There's a bunch. There's 12 states, I believe right now competing to become the first primary state in 2027, 2028. All right? And you say, okay, Clay, why does that matter? Everybody has forgotten because he didn't end up getting actually challenged. Biden changed the entire order of the primary in 2024 to put South Carolina first because people in Iowa and New Hampshire never were impressed by Joe Biden. Kamala is not going to do well in Iowa or New Hampshire because she has to be natural. She has to walk into a diner. She has to eat a hot dog at the Iowa State fair. She has to do all these things that are normal that she's completely unable to do because she's not normal. She's the joker. You know, she's cackling all the time, walking around in a purple pantsuit. But if southern states vote first, black voters are going to show up in huge numbers for Kamala Harris. I don't believe that. Okay?

[Buck Sexton]

I don't believe that.

[Clay Travis]

I think so.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Clay Travis]

There's nothing.

[Buck Sexton]

You know what I will say for the black Democrat primary voter? They want to vote for a winner. They want to vote for somebody that they think will both win the primary and win the general election. I don't think anybody who's going to show up for a primary after what happened this last time around. But you know what? I'm not putting a stake. I'm not putting a stake on this.

[Clay Travis]

We'll just.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll just put the stake in there. All right? Clay might already win the stake with Kamala running because it's looking more like she's running. But it's not. Not determined yet. Okay, it's not determined yet, but we'll just put that out there. Clay is saying Kamala will be the nominee. I'm just saying I'm not making any bet on this. That is insane. No way. Totally disagree. Will not be Kamala as the nominee. I'm not buying it. No way.

[Clay Travis]

No way. Ok? I think black women are not leaving her. And I haven't seen yet another black candidate who could, like, actually manage to take away her black support. So right now, if there were a primary in South Carolina or Georgia or Tennessee for the Democrat Party. She would win big. So if I were advising her, I would say, you need to argue, Kamala, that it would be racist to let white voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, which is the argument really that Joe Biden made. Really, it was. Nobody ever liked Biden in those states to not have a diverse electorate select the nominee. And if there is a black focused Southern state strategy, Kamala is going to be the nominee. She's going to be the nominee.

[Buck Sexton]

What about, what about Kamala losing every swing state, every swing state in the last election speaks to you with. People are going to try to give her a second shot at this one. I don't think it's possible for her to have whiffed more bigly than she did.

[Clay Travis]

I'll give you. I'll give you the answer. This is what I would tell Kamala to say. Donald Trump is a uniquely talented Republican politician who produced voters that will not show up for JD Vance or Marco Rubio. And I would beat those guys. Trump, Biden was a disaster. I think she'll say now Biden was a disaster. But now she'll be able to say, whether we believe it or not, Trump was a disaster. People are ready to turn the page and all these banal, banal, whatever you want to say phrases that Kamala trots out. Trump is a uniquely talented politician and I only lost by 220,000 votes. I will kick JD Vance's ass because he doesn't have the charisma or panache of Donald Trump and those voters are not showing up for him the same way.

[Buck Sexton]

Here's why, here's why I think, I think that you're wrong. This would mean that the Democrats after, after the most absurd, obscene political blunder of our lifetime, which was trying till the very last minute, technically, you know, I should have just said that Biden would run, which is what you've said with Kamala. Instead, I said that he would be the nominee, which he was until the 11th hour. And they couldn't pull the con off anymore. They basically handed the Republicans this last election with their stupidity not to take anything away from Trump. But what they did and putting Biden forward, the debate disaster, the whole thing was an absolute catastrophe. Kamala was a part of that catastrophe, inextricably linked to and carried the burden of in the end of it, that catastrophe to run her again as their nominee. I will put this stake in the ground would be political malpractice for Democrats on the same scale as trying to run Biden for, for a reelection Given his clear dementia. Like it is unfathomably dumb for them to do this.

[Clay Travis]

I agree with all that. She's going to be the nominal and you.

[Buck Sexton]

So you think they're going to do the dumbest thing we've ever seen in politics two elections in a row? No.

[Clay Travis]

What I would say in response to all of that is even with a calamitous, incredibly mal adjusted campaign, they came within 220,000 votes of beating Trump. I think that they. I'm telling you.

[Buck Sexton]

But the case that every other candidate for the Democrats could make Clay is, well, that's just what's baked in. It's that last 200. Look at the recent elections. It's that last 200,000. Look at how close it was in 2020. It's always about the last 200,000. It's always about the swing states. Of course, a Wes Moore or a Gavin Newsom or a. Whoever else you think is going to be able to win all the states that Kamala did. All that matters is the 300,000 or so votes that are up for grabs or that differentiate in those swings.

[Clay Travis]

I think, I think what she will say and I think this is going to be the huge Democrat argument.

[Buck Sexton]

Hire you. You're really, you're like a true believer.

[Clay Travis]

I think the, the argument is going to be out there and I think it may well be true. And it's something to think about. Trump motivates voters that J.D. vance is not going to motivate. I don't think that Trump says, hey, go vote for J.D. vance. Look at every time Trump's not on the ballot, the overall Republican Party fails to turn out the people.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think Kamala motivates any voters. I don't think Kamala motivates any voters that any other Democrat would not also motivate. And I actually think that Kamala will do very poorly with working class white voters who in the swing states will be the single most important demographic that would be up for grabs if you don't have a Trump.

[Clay Travis]

I hope, I hope, look, this is right. But I'm telling you, this is what I think they're telling Kamala behind closed doors. If they have anybody smart enough to actually be making these arguments.

[Buck Sexton]

This isn't as crazy as your Michelle Obama is going to be the secret stealth nominee take which I have to remind everyone of that. That was Clay for a long time and I told him he was crazy. We didn't put a bet on that one. We didn't put a stake bet on that One we should have. Because I said, clay, you're insane. And it was insane. And now we all know Michelle Obama is a deeply unlikable political candidate. So that was all just kind of boomer talk.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I thought that they needed a black candidate because they would recognize that Kamala was awful and it would be racist and sexist if they didn't have a black woman to replace her. And the only black woman I could think of to replace her was Michelle Obama, who was popular enough to potentially win. Well, but that was. That was the logic behind it.

[Buck Sexton]

That was the logic, but it was. There was. I think that was fantasyland stuff, Clay. I think this take of Kamala as the nominee is almost as crazy as Michelle Obama parachuting in to be the nominee for the. Like, this is.

[Chuck Schumer (clip)]

This is.

[Buck Sexton]

And I know by the way, the numbers don't disagree with you. I think right now she is, by the betting markets, supposed to be the candidate Gavin Newsom.

[Clay Travis]

I just can't imagine a substantial favorite over.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, Gavin Newsom is.

[Clay Travis]

Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I'm. I'm putting. I'm. I'm on that one.

[Clay Travis]

I'm on that.

[Buck Sexton]

It's going to be. Newsom is going to wipe the floor with Kamala. Wipe the. I can't believe I'm saying this. I sound like I'm evil. Keanu Reeves biggest fan over here. He's just gonna button down that shirt and look at all the ladies of America in the eyes and say, hey, I'm here for you. I think Gavin Newsom's gonna crush Kamala Harris.

[Clay Travis]

I don't.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's going to be an if, which is the only reason I thought maybe. Or one of the reasons I thought that she might just realize it's not a good idea for her long term buck.

[Clay Travis]

What if she goes full Trump and says, I don't need to debate. People know me already and just sits out the actual debates.

[Buck Sexton]

She tried to do that with Trump and then couldn't because the. The pressure became too much. I don't think she could do that. I don't think she can do that. All.

[Clay Travis]

I think it's interesting, but I. Yeah, okay. You could think about it.

[Buck Sexton]

It's gonna be Newsom. All right? I put my flag down. It's gonna be Newsom. You say it's gonna be Kamala. I might have to get your stake when Kamala runs because, again, I made an emotional. An emotional bet on that one because Kamala was so horrible. But we'll see then. It ain't over till the fat lady sings. All right, if you have a 401k or an IRA but you don't yet have, it's time you add some gold to your holdings. Gold Unlike some other things that people talk about as a store of value, gold has grown in value this past year, in fact up 70% since the beginning of 2025. 20 years of gold has a 700% increase when you chart this out. The price of gold increases when investors, central banks and countless other individuals react to instability around the world. When things get tough, gold goes up again, unlike some other things out there. So Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold, which is real, solid, tangible, an asset that has been an asset class for all of human civilization. Text my name Buck to 989898 to receive your free info kit on gold. No obligation, just useful information. You can also just buy gold to have on hand. I have gold. I recommend you become a long term gold holder as well. A plus rating with a better Business Bureau. Tens of thousands of happy customers let Birch Gold help you diversify with Gold so you can have peace of mind. Text Buck to 989898 Text Buck to 989898 Stories of Freedom, stories of America.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Well, we've got some updates on the Nancy Guthrie we'll hit when we come back.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW okay, we just teased that there is a press conference underway associated with Nancy Guthrie. Let me tell you what I have jotted down. We're not watching this. Obviously some of you probably are and we will grab some of the audio of this. But for those of you who are following this case, no suspects, there is a $50,000 reward. The blood on the porch is Nancy Guthrie's and authorities say they believe she is still alive. So I would say team that is watching this press conference, let me know if there's other integral elements that have been revealed. But I would say the three things that I have seen read so far, no suspects, $50,000 reward for information that could lead to her return. Blood on the porch is hers and authorities believe she is still alive. 84 year old Nancy Guthrie, the mom of Savannah Guthrie. I believe they have three kids that appeared in that Instagram video. Buck, one thing that jumps out to me about this is there must have been some form of fairly significant struggle inside of the home if there is substantial enough blood left on the porch that they would be able to test it and it would be hers. And that seems odd to me only in the Context of She's 84 years old and doesn't move that well. And so I would think that kidnapping her would not be as difficult as it would be someone who is younger and maybe able to put up more of a fight. But evidently she fought quite a lot. I'm sure that they were hoping that the blood on the porch would be someone else's and that could lead them to some form of suspect. But it appears that this was her. It also would suggest to me that this was very much planned and again that maybe the kidnappers were not leaving much physical evidence which suggests that this was again, not some random act. It was very much of a planned kidnapping. Again, Pima County, Arizona, sheriff continuing to talk. That is the information that is out there. We will talk more about this as this continues. Anything else that stands out to you, Buck, about this story, the update that we're getting?

[Buck Sexton]

No, the update seems to really just be confirmation of some of the reporting already. I don't think that there's much to go on here beyond what we've already discussed. So we will continue to follow this. And that's where, that's where we are. I don't think there's a lot of useful things from the analysis side to say about this right now because it's still so early and we have so few real, real areas to dive into of, of what the heck is going on here.

[Clay Travis]

Update me on talkbacks and calls if you would, team. We can take some of those. 800-282-2882. Let me dive in here to a couple of other things that are ongoing. Again, that press conference is I did want to play this, Buck, and I wanted you to be able to react to it because you are his boy. Joe Scarborough back in. Did you see this clip, Buck, that went viral?

[Buck Sexton]

You think Joe will have me on for my book? I should probably send him an email, be like Joe, from one guy with a great swoop of hair to another. Let's put aside our political differences. We both like zip sweaters, racket sports and drinking on the country club veranda. Please have me on to sell my book to your communist audience. I don't know. Maybe he'd go for it.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think it's gonna happen, but I do think it's important. If many of you out there think and just you're not that old, but you look back and you say a lot of what Democrats say now is totally crazy. And I remember them saying a lot of things that are very similar to what Republicans say now. Here was Joe Scarborough on msnbc, a montage of him talking about the issue with California giving driver's license to illegal aliens and some of the issues that it could create. Here's cut seven.

[Joe Scarborough (clip)]

Tonight we look at the left coast's most endangered politician, Governor Gray Davis, and his Democratic Party's latest attempts to show illegal aliens that crime pays. The Democratic legislature has actually passed a bill out of committee that allows illegal immigrants to get a California's driver's license. That's right. By giving these criminals the most accepted form of identification in America, the California Democrats buy votes for themselves. And it looks like to Me, at least that political gamemanship is trumping national security as illegal immigrants are given a free pass. This plan seems to me to legitimize illegal immigration once and for all. And it's dangerous. And it owes more to winning votes for politicians in keeping our country safe from future terror attacks. It's frightening, folks, Aren't we sending a message to illegal immigrants? Break our laws, come into our country, flood over the borders, and we're going to reward you by giving you a driver's license.

[Buck Sexton]

What happened to that Joe Scarborough?

[Clay Travis]

It's a great question. I think he started making a lot of money.

[Buck Sexton]

That guy and I could definitely play some croquet together in our polo sweaters.

[Clay Travis]

This is why I say, Buck, you know, he used to represent the Panhandle of Florida, which is, I think, one of the best places in America. I've been quite open about that. I love the people of the Panhandle of Florida. And if you just go back and listen to what he used to say, it's very similar to what Republicans say today. One of the big things that Democrats are so good at now is making people not realize that the arguments that they now claim are radical and unsupported or Nazi like, were actually things that they were saying just a few years ago. And in fact, I give some credit here to Ms. Now, new msnbc. Did you see we got to pull.

[Buck Sexton]

That sound bite, Clay saying, I give credit to Ms. Now.

[Clay Travis]

I do give them credit for this clip in particular. Cut 19. They had Chuck Schumer on, and they said, hey, what do you think about 71% of Democrats being in favor of nationwide voter ID? Cut 19. There's a new Pew Research poll that 95% of Republicans, but also 71% of Democrats like this idea. So why do you not?

[Chuck Schumer (clip)]

It's Jim Crow 2.0, and I called it Jim Crow 2.0. And the right wing went nuts all over the Internet. That's because they know it's true. What they're trying to do here is the same thing that was done in the south for decades to prevent people of color from voting. For instance, if you're a woman who got married and changed her last name, you won't be able to show id, and you'll be discriminated against. If you can't find a birth certificate or proper id, you'll be discriminated against. This is vicious and nasty. And I said to our Republican colleagues, it will not pass the Senate. You will not get a single Democratic vote in the Senate.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, Buck. He made these exact same arguments in Georgia. They strengthened laws on voting and minority voting turned grew in a positive way, saying, if you get married, you're going to have trouble voting. Look, I get it. Everyone out there who has changed their name, it is frustrating to have to change your driver's license or have to change your credit card or whatever it is out there. I don't think most people are sitting around saying, oh my God, I'm not going to be able to vote if I get married. I think that audience is actually zero. But I do think that this is one where Republicans should say we're going to, they keep moderate, modifying the filibuster and adjusting it on the fly. Democrats are going to do this as soon as they get back in power. I think they should pass the FACE Act. I, it feels to me like a no brainer to have a nationwide requirement for what actually needs to happen to vote. And showing up with an ID as we were talking about, I think yesterday or the day before with a photo ID is not a difficult standard. You basically can't do anything in America without a photo id. I don't think that this would change anything other than making the elections more secure than they are now.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, as I've said, it's, it's for Democrats just an opportunity to call Republicans racist, which is their single favorite thing to do. And they're going to do it irrespective of what the data shows on how these kinds of changes to voting laws result or what kind of results they have with turnout among black voters. They don't care. They're going to say you're racist. It could be clear that this substantially increases the black voter turnout. And Democrats will still say, look at those, look at those racist Republicans increasing black voter turnout with their law. They don't care. They're just going to say it because it's a slander and it's one that is at the heart of the Democrat parties. Many, many lies. And yeah, that's where we are. I mean, Chuck Schumer doesn't believe what he's saying. Yes, that's one thing you have to give credit to Chuck. You'll give credit to Ms. Now I'll give credit to Chuck Schumer. This guy will say anything. He stands for nothing except power, money, the Democrat Party being in charge, that's all he cares about. And so whatever it is he's got to do, he'll do. There is no principle that Chuck Schumer will. There are only those areas, those interests that he will respect and protect, but he'll say absolutely anything. He knows what he's Jim Crow 2.0. What a. You know, just Is everything either Nazism or slavery with Democrats? Is that really where we are? Everything is Nazism or slavery? That's pretty much the deal.

[Clay Travis]

It is, and it's not working. But I do think that Republicans should actually pass this law and adjust the filibuster if necessary to do it. All right, we've got some fun talkbacks. We'll hit you with some of those when we return. In the meantime, super bowl this weekend the picks Drake May more than one half passing touchdown listen carefully. Sam Darnold more than one and a half passing touchdowns more than 93 and a half pass receiving yards for Jackson, Smith and Jigba and Drake may more than one half passing yard. If he gets one passing yard, you win that square. It's basically a free square. If we hit on this four to one prizepix.com code clay you can play in all 50 states. $5 you play, you get $50 deposited in your account. It's fun. It will make the super bowl even more fun than it otherwise would be. A lot of people do the square games. A lot of people do all sorts of fun games to play along in the Super bowl. This will be one that you can play along with. Root4 if you're going to be around the 120 million people watching the game this weekend. Drake may more than one half passing yard Drake made more than one half touchdown pass, Sam Darnold more than one and a half touchdown passes and Jackson, Smith and Jigba more than 93 and a half receiving yards. If we hit on these four we will be big winners on Sunday. Prizepix.com Code Clay you get $50 when you play $5 in all 50 states. That's pricepicks.com Code Clay. You ain't imagining it. The world has gone insane. Reclaim your sanity with Clay and Fun. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

President's Day a favorite holiday for our friends at PureTalk?

[Buck Sexton]

After all, it only takes one Jackson and one Lincoln to pay for Pure Talk's monthly cell phone service. For just 25 bucks a month, PureTalk gives you unlimited talk, text and plenty of data.

[Clay Travis]

Now compare that to Big Wireless. They'd rather celebrate Benjamin Franklin Day if there was such a thing. That way they can charge your family hundreds every month. That's not right. You deserve better.

[Buck Sexton]

Pure Talk is an American wireless company who supports our veterans and invests in a US Only customer service team.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are rolling through the second hour of the program. We'll update you on the Nancy Guthrie story at the top of the next hour, we've got a guest who. Who is watching the entire press conference. Lyndon Blake. She will be with us. Also, Senator Dave McCormick will be with us in the third hour. Buck is running out. So before he runs out, we got some funny talkbacks that everybody can react to. Buck, you can start with a. Who has. Who is this? Mitchell has an awful take.

[Buck Sexton]

I think just listening to Tuesday's podcast on iHeart, and to summarize your show sounds like that Clay has shaved his beard, become a swifty after publishing a book titled Balls, which I bought and read. Sounds like he has lost his. But you have got to pull his man card.

[Clay Travis]

Wow, that's a lot of shots there.

[Buck Sexton]

Both barrels. Both barrels unleashed on that one. I was. I, I. I'm a little. I'm a little taken aback right now that that's Clay. I gotta say. I think Clay's mustache is fabulous. I think it's a fabulous stash. You know, I'm. I'm a big fan. I think that he should stay. I think we stay with the stash. I don't know anyone.

[Clay Travis]

I am allowed to shave the mustache when it gets to 60 degrees in Nashville, which I was looking at. And the weather bounces around a lot this time of year in Nashville, but I think potentially Monday. I mean, then I'll have to make a decision because it's going to be over 60 degrees on Monday or Tuesday in Nashville, and the mustache doesn't have to stay.

[Buck Sexton]

VIP email from Dan. He writes, remember what happened when Kamala ran in a real presidential nomination contest? Yes, it was sad, exclamation point. And I think Clay is forgetting just how sad it was. You know, he's getting a little. Clay's getting a little big for his britches. He suckered me in to my emotional bet on will Kamala run again, which was pro. That was a kind of a crazy take. Fine. But Kamala being the nominee, where you mark this one down, guys. Gavin Newsom's gonna be the nominee. Kamala Harris is not gonna be the nominee. Clay is gonna be wrong on this one. And somehow, whenever he's wrong, I will say this. He's the betting guy, so this makes sense, because he's wrong a fair amount, but whenever he's wrong, there's no stake at stake. Whenever I'm wrong, somehow, I owe him a stake. This is the problem.

[Clay Travis]

That's why the odds are. Gavin Newsom is a huge favorite right now to be the Democrat nominee in 2028. Kamala is a big underdog So I was saying on Tuesday night, I was out to dinner in LA with five of our buddies and all five of them thought I was crazy. And we. I took them on. Took the bet to say that Kamala is. Is not going to. Is going to be the nominee.

[Buck Sexton]

The nice thing about being crazy is that you're not necessarily alone. Richard, this is Talk Back D from South Carolina. Columbia, South Carolina. He is also in the Kamala looney bin with you. Play it. Oh, it's on the list, but we will get to another one here. In the meantime, be Colleen from Tucson, Arizona, speaking about the kidnapping. Hit it. I live in Tucson, Arizona, and I have a question I wish you would address. If the kidnapper took her into Mexico, wouldn't that be pretty easy to track? Because I know crossing that border is a big deal. They really interrogate you to go into Mexico from Tucson.

[Clay Travis]

Anyway, it's a good question. I've never crossed.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think that. That she's been taken into Mexico.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, I don't think she's still in the United States, probably.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I think so. I think that they're going to find who did. I'm very confident. Maybe I shouldn't be. They're going to find who did this. We just want Savannah's mom to be returned unharmed. That's the part of this that's so obviously up in the air. I'm very confident they're going to find who did this. I think it's really a hard thing to do this, given all the attention, all the resources on this and get away with it.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. My question was, given that they are somewhat close to the border, is there an argument that she would be easier to hide in Mexico than she would be elsewhere?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, yes, that I think is probably the case. Clay. Getting across the border, remember, getting into the United States is super hard now, so getting out is probably a lot easier.

[Clay Travis]

That's what that was my thought. But I've never. I mean, in this individual may across.

[Buck Sexton]

The world, there are places I've been there where you could just get in a pickup truck and you could just hit it and get into Mexico. And yes, America, remember, America can't. Is not going to pursue into Mexico. So now you're going to call the federales. Good luck with that one. You know, they got other things to do.

[Clay Travis]

We got a couple more talkbacks.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. See Sarah from Milwaukee, a brilliant lady. Play it.

[Clay Travis]

I adore you, but I am with buck 100% on this one. There is no way that Kamala is going to win the nomination this time around.

[Buck Sexton]

Sarah. Sarah sounds just like an astute and well read and prescient lady.

[Clay Travis]

If this were a few months after the 2020 election and we had come on and I had said, hey, you know, 2024, I'm already thinking ahead. Trump is not only going to win the nomination, he's going to win the popular vote. What odds do you think I could have gotten on that? It would have been crazy. Here's Richard now in Columbia, South Carolina. An astute Gamecock. Let's listen.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, this is Richard in South Carolina and your take on Kamala in the 2028 primary is 100% accurate. The primary is going to be about angry women and racism and the thought that Kamala is owed an opportunity for a full cycle. Newsom has no shot.

[Clay Travis]

I, I agree with Richard.

[Buck Sexton]

Richard was pretty eloquent and and pretty eloquent and well thought out on that one, which is disappointing. I thought he was just going to say some nonsense.

[Clay Travis]

Damn it, Buck. You're out now, but you'll have the show tomorrow. I will be out Friday. We will be back together on Monday. I'll see you guys. We're diving into Nancy Guthrie next.

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