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Clay Travis
U N D welcome back in Clay Travis, BUCK Sexton show We are breaking down many different stories out there off the top. We want to encourage all of you in the Tennessee 7th congressional district that stretches all the way from Kentucky to Alabama, parts of Nashville, parts of Franklin, Brentwood, Clarksville, Waverly, all the way down to the border with Alabama, all the way up to the border with Kentucky. A lot of you listening perhaps in the, in the Clarksville area, Fort Campbell. A lot of you are familiar with that area. This is in that district. Go vote. Special election today. Matt Van Epps is the Republican. He's running against a crazy chick Afton Bane. We'll continue to talk about that during the show. I went and voted already. This is my congressional district. I do not want to be represented by a crazy chick that makes AOC sound sane. Now, as we finished off the last hour, we were talking about the boat strikes off Venezuela. A bunch of you want to weigh in on those. And I was saying again, this is me behaving as a lawyer. Finish them off can mean multiple things. It can mean to me finishing off the boat so that it's no longer able to do what it was intended to do, so that the drugs are not there, still floating, that could be picked up by another boat. And so what is and is not intended by the orders is likely to be an issue right now. I don't think the communication has been clear, Buck, as to exactly what the story is. Just that the White House has said, hey, we support the admiral here. The president supports the admiral. The secretary of war supports the admiral and his ability to make decisions on the ground. There's. We had a call from a individual who was still with us, and that is, I want to make sure that I get his name right. I got so many different text messages in here. That is, let's see, Bobby Charles from Maine. He's running for governor. By the way, the primary's in June.
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Buck Sexton
Not a bad. Not a bad way to get people to know about the primary here. Bobby, we got a pretty big radio show. So you're a smooth operator.
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Clay Travis
We like it.
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Bobby Charles
I feel like you guys invited this one, so I'm just going to pick it up.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, we did.
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Clay Travis
We did. All right. So. But. So, Bobby, when I say what finish them off means, this is me being a lawyer. Finish them off can mean a lot of different things. It can mean finish the boat off. It can mean finish the survivors off. That seems like A pretty clear defense. If I were advising Secretary of War Hegseth, if I were advising President Trump, if I were advising the admiral in this case, as an attorney representing them, I would say, go ahead and get your story out there. What does finish them off mean? We wanted to end the threat that this boat brought to bear. We had not done that yet. It was still floating out there. There was the possibility the drugs could be picked up, and so we ordered a second strike to take out that boat. Is that a valid argument from your perspective, based on your knowledge of the rules of engagement?
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Caller
Yes.
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Bobby Charles
So let me give you my perspective. I was a U.S. court of Appeals clerk after Columbia Law School, long before being Assistant Secretary managing counternarcotics programs around the world, among which were shoot down programs in Peru and Colombia in which we gave orders, we didn't give them. I worked with the heads of southcom who gave them. But those field commanders gave orders to finish off planes that were in the sky carrying drugs. We had cute intelligence. They refused to comply. They continued moving forward. The same way. If you were in World War II on a, on a battlefield and a tank is coming at you and you've disabled the gun, but the tank keeps rolling, you have every right to stop it. So I am believing, and I think they should ask for this and I think everything else is a false bogey. There is a legal opinion, I guarantee you as a former Navy intelligence guy for 10 years and an assistant secretary doing counter narcotics, there is a legal opinion in the file that says something like this. That organization is identified as an fto. It is a foreign terrorist organization trafficking drugs. Because it is an fto, it is by definition engaging in premeditated, politically motivated acts of violence against non combatant targets. Because it is doing that, you have every right to hit and destroy the drugs and to hit and destroy the boat. And there is no, under the rules of law in the ucmj, there is no requirement that you warn the combatant that you're going to do that if you hit half the boat. And we currently have policies that the US Coast Guard uses in our littoral waters with snipers. They don't call them snipers, but they're snipers. They have big, they have big firearms in a sling dedicated to taking out the engines of a boat, of a go fast drug boat. They've been there for 25 years. If we feel that we have not hit and disabled and finished the task of a combatant coming at us, we have every right to do that. You do not have A right to then shoot folks in the water. But I will guarantee you that there is no legal opinion in. In the file in the Defense Department if they subpoena it, and I did oversight for five years with Gingrich, There is not going to be a legal pendant. It says you can finish off people in the water. It will say just what I said here. And that is what they're doing. And so it is completely lawful, and it's protecting the national security of the United States and every single American, including in states like Maine, where we had 10,000 overdoses last year.
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Clay Travis
Okay, that's a perfect argument. Why isn't the Trump administration making that argument right now?
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Bobby Charles
I'm guessing that as much as I'm a lawyer, I hate lawyers. You know, if you're Irish, you get to say words about the Irish, and I am that, too. If you're. If you're a lawyer, you get to hate lawyers. There's lawyers in the Pentagon going, hey, we can't release that. That's a legal document. Hey, we got to back off. We can't. We can't get the legal argument involved in politics.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Bobby Charles
What I think he says should do is just say, look, I have every legal right to be doing what I'm doing.
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Clay Travis
That's what I'm saying. He's not. We know him. He's not an attorney. But what I'm saying is I would. If I were Secretary of War Hegseth, or I was advising him, I would be telling him to say exactly what you just told us right now at the press conference, because I think it would end this story instantaneously. Also, it's important.
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Buck Sexton
Unfortunately, that hasn't happened, Clay. And so now they have the back and forth of different versions of what happened. And what was this?
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Clay Travis
And what was that, Bobby? Why wouldn't he make that case? Well, because they screwed up.
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Buck Sexton
Because they've screwed up the comms just like they screwed up the. I mean, I'm going to jump in and just say, because they messed up, because this is where we are right now, just like they did.
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Bobby Charles
You know, the truth is, your point is well taken. You take the world as it is. What has transpired up to this moment in time has. The future is for us to define. They should do the press conference. Take it verbatim. What I said, that's the truth. I don't know the exact wording of the legal memo, but I guarantee, before they took one shot, there is a legal memo there. They should release it. They should say, we have every Right. To have done what we did. Let's clarify the record, and the facts are the facts, you know?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, look, I. I think we're all. We all. We're all lying on this. I just want to be clear, Bobby, because there are people out there who are saying, oh, no, when I say people, I mean online, you'll see people who don't know anything, who are saying, the clinging to the wreckage, we could mow them down, too. No, that's not true. But what you've laid out is the legal justification for what we believe happened here, which we're all aligned with. But I just want to be very clear, because I have seen the argument made by people with followings and by people who are part of this conversation. If we have to finish off people in the water, so be it. No, that's actually not. That's actually not how this goes. And that's not what was. What was going on here.
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Bobby Charles
You're absolutely right. And In World War II, there were bad mistakes made on both sides. This is one where we don't have to make a mistake. That would be a mistake. We're not going to do it. I'm going to tell you, though, as a guy running for governor in Maine, and I'm up by double digits on everybody. But the reality is, right now, people throw crap at you. That is untrue every day. And you just have to keep responding. And that's what Hegseth, I suspect, do. And that's what Trump does every day. And that's what you got to do. You beat. You know, it's like the old Supreme Court case said, right? You beat bad speech with good speech. You just keep going.
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Buck Sexton
Bobby, we're leveraging your expertise here a lot, but I actually want to transition you because you said you transitioned the topic. I should.
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Clay Travis
I should.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. I want to transition the topic to. Got to be clear these days to. You said you oversaw or involved in overseeing narco programs in the Caribbean. One, how effective do you think taking out these boats is, actually? And two, talk to us about Venezuela. You would have a very important perspective on what's going on there with Maduro, the narco trafficking, the possibility of the overthrow. Talk. Talk us through some of that.
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Bobby Charles
Yeah. So I have had multiple hats in life, blessed a thousand ways from Sunday. But the reality is, yes, I did oversight for five years for Gingrich. I was his top oversight investigator looking at counter narcotics, but also the Pentagon justice. I did the Waco hearings, all that. So at the end of the day, our counternarcotics policy in the Caribbean was effective when we could create 25% deterrence. So when we could cover 25% of the Caribbean at a time, incidentally, when there was no land bridge, as in there was no coming up through the Mexico Pan American highway, what we did is we shut down the Caribbean by shutting down 25%, creating enough uncertainty that the traffickers thought they would get more losses than it was worth. They shifted to the land bridge. What they will do right now, it is relatively effective because it's creating that one thing we know. Again, let's go back to World War II. Everything is about deterrence versus appeasement. You do nothing, you appease it. Same thing with people coming into this country. You do nothing, you appease the behavior, appease bad behavior, you deter it. All of a sudden they're going to stop coming. All of a sudden they're going to stop shipping drugs through the EPAC Eastern Pacific, which is where some of this is happening, or through the Caribbean. And so deterrence works. It absolutely works. But you always have to remember, it's like trying to block water that is being pulled by gravity down. It's going to look for another way around. The bad guys always look for another way around. So you got to constantly be one step ahead. You know, we don't ever win anything. Finally and decisively, you know, you, what you do is you, you, you manage the process so that you're always one step ahead. That's why we've not had another 9, 11. We've always stayed one step ahead. Same thing is true with the drug traffickers. What I love that he's doing, what Trump is doing is he's calling a spade a spade. He's saying we lose more people every year to this foreign drug infusion, this, this chemical weapon brought into this country than we lost in all of Vietnam. We lost. We lose 100,000 more or less every year to this. They are a threat to the United States. We are going to treat them as FTOs, we are going to combat them. And so ultimately what you do is you start to destroy the industrial strength of the cartel. There are Colombian cartels, there are Mexican cartels. And you want, you're never going to get rid of all crime, but what you want to do is drive it down to a level that's so low that most people don't have to engage it. And here in the state of Maine, I will tell you, I am going to thoroughly support law enforcement. I am going to thoroughly stop these foreign drug traffickers from getting in here and then having created deterrence, I'm going to do put the rest of the population that's addicted on a get well, stay well plan, get real treatment programs in here and solve it. That is what Trump is doing in all the places that he's been allowed to do it. And by the way, I will mobilize the National Guard too, if needed to support law enforcement.
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Clay Travis
Bobby, thanks for all of this. I mean, this is well said. You got my vote.
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Buck Sexton
Got to be the next governor remain, buddy. So you got to come back and talk to us more about this. We're very impressed here.
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Bobby Charles
Thank you, guys. Call me anytime. And I love talking to Greg. So we're good to go.
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Buck Sexton
All right. Producer Greg is the man. So you have good taste in radio and radio producers. Well done, sir. And we'll talk to you again soon. But Clay, I just want to say our legal analysis was all spot on. So there's that, you know, before and.
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Clay Travis
Also again, I think we hit on this correctly. It's a communication issue. And I just, I understand. And he pointed out lawyers can sometimes say, well, we can't talk about this publicly yet, sir, I would talk about it publicly. If I repeat Hegseth, I would put this story to bed. I would say that this was the goal, we had the authority to do it. And it vanishes. If you tell the story the way that he just did.
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Buck Sexton
It's a version of it's not the crime, it's the COVID up. There was no crime here. They are active in the lawful authority. But if you have differing narratives about what happened, even if it's in good faith, but there's daylight between what the, you know, Trump White House says and what Secretary Hegseth says or whatever, then that becomes the story. And they just say, see, they're hiding, they're changing, they're so you just, it's a comms issue that to be very clear on this so that everybody understands because what the Democrats did, their biggest story this week is the, you know, the war crimes thing. What they don't want to be talking about is the Biden Afghan withdrawal slash, importing people with no vetting whatsoever, including the terrorists who just killed two national, killed one and grievously wounded another National Guard member. That's what they don't want to be talking about this week.
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Clay Travis
Correct. And you can limit their ability to drive the narrative by telling your story and in the best, most effective way possible. And I don't think that has occurred yet. But I think if they said what Bobby said, what I said, what you have said, I think it would go a long way towards putting this story to rest. I want to tell you fighting in Ukraine, we'll talk about this a little bit there. Right now are meetings going on in Russia to try to end the war in Ukraine. Both sides, Russia and Ukraine, are acknowledging loss of lives. More than a thousand soldiers each day far from the front lines. Life can feel very difficult. Different sort of way for people like Maria. 85 year old woman of Jewish faith living in Ukraine. Her needs are severe. She's one of the many Ukrainian citizens in need of food, medicine and assistance with heating bills. When war first broke out in Ukraine, many nonprofit organizations made the needs of Ukrainian citizens a priority. There was and still is a great need for humanitarian effort. Today. Many of the nonprofit organizations have moved on, but not the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, the ifcj. They're still there, continuing to do what they can to help the Jewish faith in Ukraine, particularly the elderly, through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. With your donations you can bring hope to those in need. Your gift of $25 will help provide a food box packed full of life saving essentials that will help feed families and individuals feeling them especially ignored and left to fend for themselves. To rush your gift, call 888-488 IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325. You can also give online@ FellowshipGift.org that's FellowshipGift.org want to be in the know when you're on The Go the Team 47 podcast Trump highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Clay and Buck show wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
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Buck Sexton
Buck Sexton here. The entire Clay and Buck show wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful new year.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show A lot of people weighing in, I think was a really good conversation about this story and the degree to which the communication should and could be better to put stories like these to rest. By the way, this all emerged via the Washington Post as their big expose. Their big we're gonna get Pete Hegseth over this. And again, I think if the defense had been rendered in a better way, this story would have vanished almost overnight. Instead, the message to your point Buck, when you give different stories, when there are different multiple days of stories, it just makes it look like there is more going on here than there actually is. I think one of our callers is upset with us. We always enjoy that. Producer Greg, My call screen has gone down here, but somebody was upset saying, oh, you're gonna regret this. Is that guy still there? You can pull him up.
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Buck Sexton
All right, Doug in San Diego, light us up.
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Caller
Yeah, Clay. Hey, you know that the boat was using they. Them pronouns, so that when they say blow up, them. Blow them up again, they're referring to the boat. I'm just, I can't believe you're using this argument that, you know, it's just when you put up a big bomb in the water.
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Bobby Charles
Okay, look, I have a lot of sympathy for Trump.
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Caller
If I had been through what he's.
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Bobby Charles
Been through, I would have been driven.
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Caller
Mad just the way he was. But one of the good things of his former philosophy was you realized that wars like the Vietnam War were wastes of blood and treasure.
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Bobby Charles
And we.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so you're, you're. I don't really understand your argument. You can make arguments against us, but it doesn't seem cohesive or understand. What is your point? You think, you think that this is a war crime and that Trump should be impeached and removed from office.
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Bobby Charles
I don't want to go that far.
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Clay Travis
But I'm going to tell you what.
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Caller
A lot of people that voted for Trump in 24, that when they see his undeclared war, you're basically claiming he can. He can commit acts of war anywhere in the Western hemisphere because of.
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Bobby Charles
I mean, this analogy with a tank is not apt.
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Caller
That boat was not full of weapons of war like a tank, like previous caller said.
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Clay Travis
So what is. What should.
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Caller
They're bringing?
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Clay Travis
We got to go to break here, but I appreciate the call. I don't understand. If you think that a boat is loaded with drugs and it's coming to the United States, what should we do?
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Bobby Charles
What if it's.
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Clay Travis
I don't even know.
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Bobby Charles
Buck used to buy marijuana from a.
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Caller
Willing seller, and we didn't want the person that sold that to be killed.
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Clay Travis
Okay.
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Buck Sexton
I, I bought marijuana from somebody.
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Bobby Charles
What?
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Clay Travis
I think, I think.
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Buck Sexton
Did you say my name there?
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Clay Travis
Yeah. I don't even know. You spend a lot of time in San Diego with weed dealers. When we, when we come back. I don't know. I mean, I would. I thought we were going to get an actual argument.
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Buck Sexton
All right, do a read. We got commerce to do.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Are you suggesting that there was a wafting smell and perhaps the sultry tones of some reggae in the background on Buck Island? Mr. Clay?
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Clay Travis
As, as it went under the sea, much like Atlantis back in the day, it may have done so in an odoriferous, odoriferous manner. Odoriferous, that's an interesting word. I've got to, I haven't used that word in a long time. I understand the argument that, hey, I'm concerned about American authority. I don't really understand it as it pertains to the drug boats, strikes in international waters. And so I, look, you can make that argument, but that doesn't seem like something that I think is going to, pardon the expression here, blow up in Trump's face. Linda in Florida, you want to react, a lot of you want to react. By the way, loaded lines right now.
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Caller
Hi, I do. Thank you, guys. So for four years I lived with Biden letting in 20 million illegals, crossing our border illegally, breaking our laws. And you know, and everybody knew about it. The media knew about it. They, they discussed it, but, but we didn't give it oxygen. Like we're giving this narco terrorist two guys to 20 billion. Do the math, okay? And all we do is we're brow beating this two narco terrorists to death, literally. And, and, and you know, we just keep discussing it and who cares about the two guys in the water? They were bad guys, but so were the 20 million that.
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Clay Travis
Okay, Linda, let me play, let me play devil's advocate here. If, if it were to be reported and confirmed that the narco terrorists, which I agree are bad guys, were floating in the water and we ordered a helicopter to go in and to mow them down as they floated. Daughter, you wouldn't have an issue with that?
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Caller
I wouldn't have an issue with that at all. After letting in 20 million illegals, my boy, that are.
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Clay Travis
Is that your granddaughter in the background there?
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Caller
No, no, no. I've got three dogs that are laying around.
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Clay Travis
Okay, So I tell you something, those.
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Buck Sexton
Dogs don't mess around. Those are well behaved dogs.
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Clay Travis
I was gonna say Linda, Linda is, is running her ship with a, with it. With a brow beat. Thank you for the call there. Look, that would be a crime, okay? So I appreciate that. If, if I had given the order, I want Linda on my jury because I appreciate that she is the Nathan Jessup there.
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Buck Sexton
She.
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Clay Travis
She is. You're damn right I ordered the code red. So thank you, Linda, for that call. That would be illegal. That would be a violation. That would be a war crime. So I don't think if there were American soldiers floating around in the waters off the shore of a foreign country and they ordered for the American soldiers to be summarily executed or American citizens, I think a lot of people would say, yeah, we have an issue with that, and it would be illegal. That, to me, is not what occurred here.
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Buck Sexton
However, yes, it would be a war crime. In fact, it actually would be there. There is. Even with really bad people. And even if Trump is in charge, we do need to understand there is such a thing as a war crime. We are saying one was not committed here because they did not do anything wrong based on the facts. But to my point, Clay, that I keep making it, people need to understand. We just had a caller who was like, I mean, if we have to machine gun them in the water, no big deal. No, that's not good.
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Clay Travis
I will do that by jury. If I'm Colonel Jessup, I will say that is a war crime. And for people out there who say, ok, this is not a big story, they are. I mean, the lead story right now on MSNBC and CNN is about the boat strikes. Now, I think the communication here, we should also mention the cabinet meeting live on Fox News has been going on now Buck for nearly two hours. So our entire show, Trump has been allowing his cabinet members to field questions from everybody out there. Joe in Florida, retired Air Force colonel, fighter pilot. What's your take on the story so far as you can tell?
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Caller
Hi. Well, first of all, I heard a previous caller say undeclared war, but we've been fighting the, quote. Well, we've not been fighting, but we've been participating in the, quote, war on drugs for 50 years or so. You know, I came back from Vietnam, I flew 153 combat missions over there in Phantoms, came back to Homestead Air Base. And then we would sit on the air defense alert pad and intercept drug airplanes that were flying into our territory, many of which were actually over the Everglades, over our dirt, throwing out at that time bales of marijuana. And we would try to get the tail number of the airplane to identify them. Sometimes these same guys would just fly in daytime, and that made it easy to identify the tail number. But generally they would get rid of that airplane and move on to something else that over time that progressed to. I was a F16 operational test pilot where I worked on the program to outfit the airplanes with night vision goggles. And then we could join on these guys at night, look at the guy, look at the load, look at the airplane's tail number, hand them off to customs. And that air bridge where they would fly drugs into the country basically was reduced. I can't say shut down, but it was greatly reduced. And then let me ask you this.
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Clay Travis
Colonel, and thank you for all the work that you did in the Air Force. What would have happened if you had, you know, if you had ordered. You shoot down one of those planes? There are guys floating, hanging on to the refuge of the plane. And you said, we're going to go by for another pass. We want to machine gun those guys in the water holding on to the. Holding on to the refuse.
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Caller
Well, if I shot him down, I would do it in such a way there'd be no survivors.
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Clay Travis
That's a great answer. But if. And by the way, I appreciate that answer, but if there were, and you said, we're going to go by and I want you to lean out my tail gunner here or whoever's with you, and I want you to pick off those survivors. And it later came out that you had done that, do you think you would have had the ability to make that decision legally?
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Caller
You know, I. I would like. Let me put on my colonel sat. Now, I would love to have the fibers from an intel standpoint.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Caller
In fact, guys about, why are you still doing this? What are they doing to motivate you to go out and risk your lives because you know, you stand a good chance of dying. I'm not a Navy guy, I'm an Air Force guy, but I'm a top Gun graduate. So I do want to make the bad guys go away and pay for their crimes. You know, in Vietnam, I had a guy on the Mekong river shoot at me as I flew by him. And so I went back and he and I discussed the merits of 20 millimeter versus AK47. And he was not a happy camper.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Caller
You know, as far as the Navy rules of engagement and the international rules, I hate to admit it, but I'm pretty much clueless on that.
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Clay Travis
Thank you for the call and thank you for all the service. And I love that. The number of people we have listening, the best callers.
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Buck Sexton
Callers are awesome.
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Clay Travis
I mean, are you kidding me? Top gun pilots who flew and. Look, I like to have Linda on my jury in this situation, but you have to make the story. Look, here's what I think is, if you want me to say I appreciate.
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Buck Sexton
What Linda said, Linda wants to go full Genghis Khan on the enemies of civilization, and I get that, but there are some challenges.
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Clay Travis
Linda is not a. Is not a crazy cat lady for Kamala Harris. I feel very confident. I would like Linda in my foxhole with me. Let me say this. I think really, what this represents. I love the call where he said, hey, I'm not going to leave any survivors. Right. They don't want to have to rescue these guys, because if they rescue them and bring them in as combatants, they can challenge the policy in court.
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Buck Sexton
And I think, by the way, I think they go to Clay. Do they go to Gitmo? Where do they go?
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Clay Travis
It's a great question.
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Buck Sexton
Where do we put them?
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Clay Travis
That's right.
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Buck Sexton
I think Gitmo may be the answer. Although, you know, we've been trying to shut Gitmo down, but we can't shut it down because that's war on terror stuff.
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Clay Travis
Look, we can't even execute the 911 terrorist. You know, they still. You know this. We've talked about it with some. They haven't even been able to prosecute the guys who were in Gitmo because they're worried about the interrogation tactics that were used on them, such that I don't even know what the absolute latest on that story was, but it was, hey, we're not gonna go for the death penalty. They're gonna admit complicity in all of the deaths. It's been 24. What, 24 years since 9 11. And those guys are still living in relative comfort now in. In Cuba, and we can't even prosecute them. So I guarantee you they do not want to have these guys in possession for the next 20 years. So when they said, again, they should do a better job of communicating on this, but when they said finish them off, they meant the boat. That's the legal argument. And they wanted to make sure that the boat was not able to continue its mission to deliver drugs to the country. By the way, lot of great calls already on this and we'll continue to take your calls. 800-282-2882. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
And, and we're going to dive into it. It's going to be very, very exciting. Very interesting show here on Clay and Buck. All right, the holiday season. Clay, you know, my tree's already up. You know, my wife did this year, double tree. We got two trees, one in there, one outdoor trees. Well, one is in the living room and one is on like a, I.
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Clay Travis
Mean, but it's one like for the little, for the, for the kid and like how were they designed here?
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Buck Sexton
No, she just got two Christmas trees. She wanted to double up. You know what I mean? She's going bigger, going home. And she's home. So clearly she's going big. The holiday season brings us closer together. As you all know, it's, it's a lot of fun. It's wonderful time of year. But in the midst of all this activity, we want to find a way to gather around the table, share stories and celebrate. Those are, these are the people we want to stay in touch with, especially on a day like today when nearly the entire east coast is contending with severe weather, rain, snow and ice that can cause service interruptions and dangerous driving conditions. Rapid Radios. This is something you gotta have part of your preparation plan, part of your day to day convenience, I might add, and also a great gift for your family, for yourself this holiday season. Modern day walkie talkies from Rapid Radios can connect you when you find yourself in an unexpected situation. This is the kind of walkie talkie that lets you instantly connect with someone virtually anywhere in the continental United States. This holiday season, give a gift that protects the people you love. No monthly fees, no complicated setup, just pre programmed reliable communication when it counts. Rapid Radios. Because every just in case matters, especially during the holidays, go to rapidradios.com make sure your family is never out of reach. Rapidradios.com communication redefined.
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Bobby Charles
We'd have.
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Buck Sexton
We got some submariners. We got everybody we need. We got seals, we got spec ops. We got everybody.
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Clay Travis
We also got a lot of jurors that would say, no matter what choices we made, they got our back. I don't think we'd get convicted by this audience no matter what we did.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Who is perfect? Call the dog sitting in her lap. She's like, waste them. Take them out. Takes a drag, Takes a drag on the cigarette. Waste them. Rubs the dog.
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Buck Sexton
No retreat, no surrender.
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Clay Travis
From Linda. I like, don't be a willow. Take him out.
- [42:14]
Buck Sexton
Let's Get Derek in Phoenix, Arizona. Listen, this is a FF on talkback.
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Clay Travis
Hit it.
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Buck Sexton
Hit it.
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Bobby Charles
This is Derek gadabaki. I served 10 and a half years in the Marine Corps. And I'm sorry, but the rules of war do not apply to non uniform people. Only applies to uniforms that are by the country, I. E. If it was a Venezuelan soldier in that, in that boat, then the rules of war apply. So sorry, I don't agree with that.
- [42:49]
Clay Travis
I, I think he's wrong.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, he's wrong, unfortunately.
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Clay Travis
I mean, here's that. Put it in perspective. You can't kill civilians if they throw down their weapons and they are not a threat to you. Whether, I mean, wasn't this the whole. My, my lie. The whole massacre in Vietnam was basically. They just wiped out the whole village. And this is why war crimes probably are going to be brought in. Many of the actions that Russia has undertaken in Ukraine.
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Buck Sexton
Let's take, let's take Matt in Arizona with a live call here. What's going on, Matt?
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Bobby Charles
Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. Hey, I, I just had a different perspective. I wanted to throw out there and see what you guys think. It seems to me the left, who's good at, you know, smoke and mirrors and they're kind of slimy, deceptive, we all know that. What if they're just accusing Pete Hegseth of some things that whether it's true or not. I don't think any of us think it's true. I don't even think they think it's true, you know, that he's committed war crimes. The goal. What if their goal is to delegitimize Pete Hegseth?
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Clay Travis
Oh, that's the. I mean, sorry. Thank you for the call. The entire goal is to delegitimize Pete Hex. Yes, that, that, that is the goal for sure. 100%.
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Buck Sexton
So you have stumbled upon the heart of the enemy's plan here.
- [44:12]
Clay Travis
I don't need the secondary analysis so that when he does X. Yes, the goal is to completely delegitimize Pete Hexa. And again the phrase finish them off they are trying to argue was a direct order by the Admiral to kill the guys. Again, I think we hit on this and I hope the White House is listening. And certainly I think they could help themselves by specifically explaining that finish them off meant in the boat's ability to interdict to bring drugs into the country or for someone else to come to pick up the drugs from the boat. Right. They had to completely wipe it out. We got a ton of emails, a ton of your calls. We'll get to all those. Plus Senator Marsha Blackburn, I think, is with us in the third hour. We'll talk with her too.
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