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Clay Travis (3:36)

Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now. We're joined by our friend Alex Berenson. Unreported Truths is his very successful substack, which I would recommend you all go subscribe to, where he does independent journalism, independent analysis and reporting. Alex, great to have you back on the program. The the title of your piece that we wanted to have you want to talk about from a couple of days ago, the most enraging piece you will read this year. I would, I would caveat maybe given what we're talking about today. Some of these stories, among the most enraging, definitely top of. But, but, but it, it definitely emphasizes something that is very real that people are starting to catch on to in larger and larger numbers and that is Democrat policies on crime are insane. I mean they're, they're putting people at risk. Terrible things keep happening that are preventable. Tell everybody this story out of Seattle, what's gone on here because it ties right into our conversations about these illegals that have killed people recently.

Alex Berenson (4:40)

Yes. So this, this gentleman was not an illegal. I think he's actually a Washington native.

Buck Sexton (4:46)

Sure, sure.

Clay Travis (4:47)

Yeah.

Alex Berenson (4:49)

And he, in 2024, he attacked an 80 year old woman. He was 48 at the time. He was trying to carjack her. He pulled her out of her car. Actually there were people around who tried to stop him and one of whom I think actually tried to get a bat and go after him,

Caller (5:09)

but they

Alex Berenson (5:09)

weren't able to stop him and he sort of threw the woman against the car, a nearby car, and then backed into her and crushed her, killed her, and then drove off in the car. And she was a dog walker, even though she was 80, she had a dog walking business and was actually going to the dog park with her own dog. And shortly thereafter, people at a park in Seattle called animal control or, I don't know if they called animal control or the police, but they called someone and said, there's somebody harming a dog. It turned out this, this gentleman was stabbing this dog that he had taken in this car to death. He threw the dog away. This was, you know, this was not exactly the crime of the century from, from a, you know, smart criminal point of view. He left his fingerprints. The police found him, you know, less than 24 hours later. He still had the car keys with him. No one is disputing, you know, normally I'm pretty careful when I say alleged, but nobody's really disputing that he did this. So what happened then is, so this guy has a long history of crime. He's a, an eight time convicted felon and in fact was eligible for the three strikes program that Washington had, which would have left him in jail for the rest of his life, but ultimately in a crime about 15 years ago, pled to something that did eventually get him out. So what his defense team is claiming is that he's incompetent. And the situation is that you have to be able to participate meaningfully in your own defense. This, which is reasonable. Okay. If you're too insane even to, you know, know what's going on, there can't really be a trial. So the judge restore, you know, ordered that he be given, you know, psychiatric medicine to be restored to competency. And he was restored to competency. So that should pave the way for the trial to begin. Except he was then discharged or moved, I shouldn't say discharged, but moved back from the forensic hospital where he was to jail and essentially stopped taking his medicine and so became incompetent again or claimed to be incompetent again. Right. There's some, there's some question as to whether he's malingering, whether he's actually pretending to be incompetent or not. And, and you know, so, so I wrote about this because there was actually a second case that got a lot of attention In Seattle, a 2023 murder where a man walked up to a woman, a pregnant woman at, whose car was stopped and just shot her six times, killed her, walked away. Now that guy was then just last week allowed to plead not guilty by reason of insanity. And it seems pretty clear that in that case the guy actually is not competent. We can argue about whether there should be some kind of verdict of guilty but insane, where he would go to a forensic hospital and then go to jail for the rest of his life. I think that makes sense. But, but this case to me is even worse. It's even more upsetting and infuriating because this guy who did this, this 48 year old who killed the dog walker in 2024 has a long criminal record. He actually has another conviction for driving under the influence and killing somebody. So this idea that he's actually too mentally ill to participate in his trial, he knew exactly what he was doing when he carjacked that car. He tried to escape. Right. So, so, you know, you and I have talked in the past about crimes that are committed under the influence of psychosis. It might be drug induced psychosis. Those have a certain look to them. This case looks more just like a carjacking.

Clay Travis (8:48)

Can I just jump in, Alex?

Alex Berenson (8:50)

Manipulating the system.

Clay Travis (8:51)

This is important. This guy in the Seattle case, you mentioned that, that just shot, murdered this pregnant woman, just shot her six times. Killed the unborn baby. That guy is being, has been sent by a judge in Seattle to a psychiatric facility. Instead of facing 50 plus years in prison, which is what he was facing, he could, he could be released in six months. They could just let him go.

Alex Berenson (9:12)

He could. It's super unlikely that that would happen. But you're right, he can be because he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Now, again in that. And that's why I think we should have, we should introduce into our system a guilty but insane verdict where if you are found essentially not guilty by reason of insanity, but there's no question you committed the crime, if at some point you're restored to competency, you then go to jail and you serve the crime. But that's not the system that we have. We have a system where if you were judged insane at the time of the crime, you don't bear responsibility. And that's where we are. So that's a bad case. Again, to me, this other case is worse because I do think that there's a good chance that this guy's malingering.

Buck Sexton (9:58)

Okay, so let's, let's dive in here because we've got positive overall crime trend lines. We've got a lot of people being arrested and put in, put in jail. Let's, let's pretend, Alex, that We said, hey, we want to have an actual war on murder, right? And it seems to some extent that that's what's happened in Washington D.C. it's gotten way safer for everybody else. Don't we basically know everybody who's going to commit a murder? In the context of, you know, it's, it's not very, very often that somebody goes from completely law abiding to murder, right? That, that does occur very, very rarely. But almost always, if you ask cops, they would say, yeah, we know the 300 people in our city who are the most likely to commit murders. Can we just lock those guys up and actually keep them in prison when they're arrested and as they always are for other offenses.

Alex Berenson (10:53)

So, so I mean, can we lock them up for nothing? No, no, I'm saying that these people

Buck Sexton (10:58)

are all always arrested, almost 100%. People who commit murder have long rap sheets before they are convicted of a murder.

Alex Berenson (11:07)

So, so, I mean there is, this is like a really interesting discussion and unfortunately I've got to run to a TSA checkpoint in the near future, so I can't have it with you for a long time. But so yes, crime, certainly murders are going down in the U.S. right? There's been trend on this yet people's perceptions of public safety and certainly in like, in cities like Seattle and New York are not improving. And why that is I think is so a lot of crime, most crime is committed by the people you're talking about. Right. And oftentimes in the 80s in particular, it was drug dealing related crime. Right. So what's happened? Well, actually there's nobody working the corners anymore. A lot of when drugs are bought, often they're bought off Snapchat, they're bought off, you know, your phone. And so like there's not actually territorial wars anymore. So that's really helped the cops, right? Plus they have spot shot or they have lots of good investigative techniques that they didn't used to have. So why are people more scared? Because the kind of crime that I just mentioned to you that we've been talking about, right. Walking up to somebody in the street who's a true innocent, who doesn't have any, you know, isn't out there. Drugs, right? Those are the crimes that scare people. And you know, they scare women, people who, you know, who don't expect to be a victim of violent crime and who quote, unquote, shouldn't be a victim of violent crime. And to me that's where we've got to focus our energy. And you know, the number One way to do that is to get sort of drug addicted homeless people who are, who are having psychosis off the streets. And I favor, you know, the Trump administration has moved in this direction and I think they should continue to do this. Civil commitment policies that will get these folks off the streets.

Clay Travis (12:49)

Alex Berenson, Unreported truths. Alex, good luck at the airport, buddy. Thanks for calling in before you run.

Alex Berenson (12:56)

Thanks, guys.

Clay Travis (12:57)

Yeah, go to it. I hope you're, I hope you're six hours early anyway or whatever crazy things are saying for New York City these days. Clay, can we, I just want to address this, follow up on what Alex is saying. This is so important. When we look at crime, people ask me about what crime was like in New York City when I was growing up there because this is the huge turnaround case story that everyone always cites for a city. 2200 murders in 1990, 1991, okay, 2200 murders, huge amount of murders now. There was a lot of decay and disorder and graffiti and bad things going on, but a huge majority of those murders were still happening in high crime areas right there. More stuff would bleed over. The city was less safe, no question.

Buck Sexton (13:37)

Bad guys shooting each other.

Clay Travis (13:40)

When you look at Chicago, why is it that rich Democrats who live in what isn't like Lincoln Park, a really nice area? I don't know Chicago well. Is that a fancy area? What's the fancy.

Buck Sexton (13:50)

The north side of Chicago is very nice.

Clay Travis (13:52)

Wherever the, wherever the fancy rich people in Chicago live, why aren't they all voting Republican? Because all the shootings are happening in the south and the west side for the most part. But what you see because of Democrats refusal to deal with these essentially drug addicted and or severely psychiatric unstable repeat criminals is people being stabbed in broad daylight with their dog in a park in a nice area. Someone on, on 63rd street subway in New York City, a man being thrown on the subway tracks by a career criminal, a felon, in that case an illegal alien too. Those hit people differently. This isn't about drug dealers shooting drug dealers in, you know, inner city.

Buck Sexton (14:33)

That doesn't even. Those, those murders don't make news. Right. Still to this day, to your point, I think that's important. I think what Alex is saying too, and what would be interesting is while we may be at a low in murders overall, are people who are a hundred percent innocent being killed at high rates? That, that's a really fascinating question to go into. Right. Because if you're engaging in criminal behavior, I still hope you don't get killed. But if criminals are shooting at each other, to Buck's point, when there are 2,200 murders going on and most of the people getting killed are those individuals, it is different and it does hit people differently than an 83 year old veteran. Like what just happened in Manhattan. Richard Williams or this young 18 year old college girl who just goes to a park and gets murdered while she's there by an illegal immigrant. Both of these people killed by illegal immigrants. I also come back to Buck and this is where I think you really have to push back aggressively because they'll say, well, I don't know why you're focusing on immigrant crime again. My answer is because it should be zero. I wish we had a zero crime rate for American citizens, but when you come here illegally, you should have never been allowed in this country. You should have never been permitted to commit a crime. And we should have Sheridan, Gorman and there are a ton of Sherigon, Gorman's, Lake and Riley's everywhere. Young innocent college girls should still be alive.

Clay Travis (15:55)

Let's, let's, let's just kind of take this to an analogy for a second, Clay. If I was walking through my neighborhood, you know, I walk Ginger around all the time. She's the sweetest little dog.

Caller (16:05)

And.

Clay Travis (16:05)

But if I saw if somebody's 80 pounds pit bull was aggressive and attacked, let's say attacked someone else's dog, and I knew that this dog was a danger. I knew this dog was dangerous to people. No owner, no leash, no harness, nothing. Ok. But let's just say, and obviously I know this would be a difficult thing to do, I take this pit bull off of another dog that it's attacking and I go, you know what, I don't want people to think poorly of pit bulls. So I'm going to take this dog instead of taking it to animal control or instead of making sure that it is contained, I'm going to release it in the nearest dog park and just see if it, you know, rips apart someone's toy poodle. Yeah, everybody would rightly think that I was being a monster. Law enforcement in sanctuary cities is doing that every day with these criminals. Yeah, every single day. And then. And they go, oh my gosh, the pit bull just ripped apart a little poodle. Yeah, it's ripped apart five other little poodles. And you keep letting it loose in the park because you don't want to be mean to pit bulls. Sorry to the pit bull owners, by the way. I know you're going to get me.

Buck Sexton (17:08)

I'm just, you know, See, the pit

Clay Travis (17:11)

bull owners are going to get ticked off at me.

Buck Sexton (17:13)

Yeah, pit bull is the most violent dog. But no, I mean look, if you have a violent. But the way that I would put it is if you have a violent predator that you know is a violent

Clay Travis (17:21)

predator and we'll make it a present Canario Clay. We'll get with something that's not going to upset everybody. Those are huge, very strong dogs. Okay, A present Canar. But you see the analogy. It's the same analogy.

Buck Sexton (17:32)

Yeah, no, it's, it's a hundred percent right. And again it comes back to the question I was asking Alex, which is, and you know this from your time working with the NYPD jointly, we know who is going to commit murders. At this point it is very, very rare that someone has a completely clean criminal background and just kills a completely innocent person. Does it happen every now and then? Yes. So rarely. The murder rate would be basically non existent if we just kept violent people off the street. Every.

Clay Travis (18:01)

And this is where unfortunately libertarians, you have been a scourge on this issue. I'm just going to say it out loud. The libertarian industrial complex with their three strikes laws. People are going to prison forever for stealing a pair of socks. No, we actually need three strikes laws. We just need them to be for serious felonies. Ok? No one's saying you go to prison forever for jaywalking, but you do three class A or you know, class one felonies. Three. Every state that thinks that it's serious about. Some of you by the way are like that's even too. But let's start there. Three, three serious felonies. You go away for 23 serious felonies. You go. You know, not a lot of people are worried about what happens to people, you know, when they come out in their 50s and 60s. OK, why not have that, why not have that law? You know there's really the criminal justice conversation is one. Democrats have nothing, they have nothing to add to this other than just letting people continue to suffer and be harmed.

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All right.

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Buck Sexton (23:20)

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Our thanks to Alex Berenson who was just on with us running through unfortunately a lot of awful stories. I think this is a good example. Buck, you were talking about AI. This is a great opportunity I think to have a deep data dive on. I would for instance love to know this. For anyone out there that is charged with murder, how many prior criminal charges had they faced before they committed a murder they were charged with?

Clay Travis (23:54)

Right?

Buck Sexton (23:55)

I would bet the average person charged with murder in America had been charged with five or six criminal offenses different than the murder charge beforehand. This is one where I think you could pour all of that data into an analytic and start to figure out based on looking at the people being arrested, hey, this is a guy who is likely to commit a murder. Going forward to your point, we know that age has a lot to do with it, right? There aren't a lot of 60 plus year old murderers. There are very few women who commit murders. There are very few Asian people of all backgrounds that commit murders. You can plug in all of this data set. I think we could drive murder down To a statistically minuscule level, if we actually forced ourselves and did a good job with media going forward to try to do that. Look, if you're trying to save $1,000 right now, sometimes it can be difficult. What if I told you between now and the end of the year, you could save $1,000 on your cell phone bill and have the great service that you already have grown accustomed to, just pay way less for it? That sounds like it'd be a pretty good deal for you, right? That's what pure talk can do. £2 50 Again, from your cell phones right now. You can keep your same phone number, you can keep your same phone. You can save up to $1,000 over the course of a year. I use Pure Talk to stay in touch with my two oldest kids who have cell phones. Just text them with them a little bit earlier during the program. £250 is that code you say Clay and Buck, you can sign up for Pure Talk today and you can say up to $1,000 over the course of a year. That's £250. Say clay and buck. £250. Do it today. Speaking truth and having fun.

Clay Travis (25:39)

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Welcome back into Clay and Buck here. So we got a lot of calls. Let's get to them. A lot of talkbacks, emails, all of it coming in from you all across this great land of ours. Chuck in Columbus, Georgia, wants to talk to us. What's going on, Chuck?

Caller (25:57)

Hey, your analogy on the pit bull,

Clay Travis (25:59)

I think, was way more accurate than you realize.

Caller (26:01)

Play with statistics a little bit. So the pit makes up about 6% of the dog population, is doing over 70% of the maulings and killings. The same demographic that it's actually breeding. The pit is doing about a similar amount of the violent crimes in America. Interesting. Also, the pit's the only breed with a propaganda wing that when it does, you know, attack, seems to protect it very much like our media protects the same violent crowd that commits crimes in America. So great analogy.

Clay Travis (26:31)

Thank. And Chuck is a retired lieutenant by a lieutenant colonel. I'm sorry, in the military. Lieutenant in the police force. I couldn't tell from this.

Caller (26:39)

Lieutenant colonel, retired. Army Infantry.

Clay Travis (26:42)

Army. Army. Infantry. Thank you for your service, sir. There are lieutenants also in some police forces, by the way, like New York City or not. I actually don't think New York has.

Buck Sexton (26:51)

Lieutenant, I love that you're going to be getting attacked by pit bull owners, but.

Clay Travis (26:56)

Well, that's actually makes a lot of sense. I'm getting attacked by Pit bull owners. Go ahead.

Buck Sexton (27:05)

No, I think the analogy is a really good one. And again, with data and analytics, there are. The math is pretty clear, right? We've talked about this before. Young black men. This is just the facts. Young black men commit over half of all murders in America and represent a tiny statistical population writ large. Right. And it's mostly young black men from the ages of about 16 to about 40. Right. And 40 is extending it quite a lot. But it's. Young men commit overwhelming amounts of violent crime. Young black men, disproportionately off the charts commit violent crime. Most of their victims are other young black men, which is why we've said when President Trump, for instance, drives down the murder rate in Washington, D.C. by 65%, as he has done this year compared to last year, overwhelmingly the lives that are being shared, saved are young black males. And you talked about this yesterday, Buck. The data plot of shootings in New

Clay Travis (28:06)

York city, there were 356 black shooters, two white shooters in 2025 in New York City, 356 to 2. And there are more white people in New York than black people overall as a percentage of population. It's pretty close. I think it's like 30 and 20. But the point is, what. What is going on with this, by the way? Can I just return to the dog thing for a second? Because I have a. Again, the analogy we're talking about before, I would, I would put my love of dogs up against any. I absolutely love dogs. Like, maybe even like just irrationally. I think they're like angels sent from God to be our furry companions on this earth. I love dogs. I know there are great pit bulls out there. I've met great pit bulls. Here is how I would describe the difference to it, because I'm Claire, I'm already getting. I'm already getting the pit bull lobbies coming out. They're going to hit me hard on this. Let me just explain. And honestly, I'm right. And this should at least contextualize, if not end the argument. I also do a lot of shooting. I'm going to be going shooting, if not this weekend, next week, I'll spend the whole day at the range. Tactical shooting. There are BB guns and there are AR15s, OK? Either one of them can be misused and maybe BB guns are not more likely to be misused. Or maybe AR15s are. I won't even get into that conversation. The difference is if somebody misuses a BB gun, everyone's going to be okay. You know, you might lose an eye in the worst case scenario. But everyone's going to be okay. If someone misuses an AR15, someone could lose their life or several people could lose their lives very quickly, very easily. That is the dog analogy. Your 80 pound pit bull is not my 20 pound labradoodle. Stop pretending it's not the same. Now if you're responsible, just like if you're responsible with a firearm, that's fine. But pretending that the risk is no different is delusional. It is a delusional thing that I get from some of these pitbull owners. And again, I've met sweet pitbulls. If you have a sweet pitbull, that's fine. But you're taking on. It's like you're at the range with a 5, 5, 6. You have to be damn sure that you are in control. And every round that comes out of that rifle, you know exactly where it's going. If you got a BB gun, you know, someone's chihuahua goes rogue, no one's dying. It's a different thing. Okay? And I've never heard anyone that's able to get around. Oh, but what about the statistics? Golden retrievers bite more people. No, no, no, okay? We're talking about real risk to people. And the dog thing, you know, this couldn't be any more straightforward. Go ahead, send me your pit bull. Owners are going to send me their angry emails.

Buck Sexton (30:37)

I think I've talked about this on the show before. When I was 6 years old at German shepherd almost ripped off my whole face.

Clay Travis (30:44)

Yeah. It wasn't a cavalier King Charles spaniel. What? What a shock, Clay, right? I mean, these are different things. Everybody.

Buck Sexton (30:50)

I was over at a friend's house, we both had chickenpox, went in the backyard, reached down, no interaction with the dog. Prior dog comes running up because we're in the backyard. I reach down to pat the top of the dog's head, jumps up and rips half my face off.

Clay Travis (31:05)

I mean, that's a really intense story.

Buck Sexton (31:08)

No, I mean, yeah, yeah. Six years old. I had to get. I mean, you think about how tin I was a first grader. Think about how little a first grader is. I think I had to get like 60 stitches ripped. You could see my cheekbone. My lip was split open. You could add a hole in my, my, my other cheek. Good surgeon. Thankfully, you know, at least somewhat. I mean, I don't think I look like. You know, if you get close, you can see, still see the scars on my face. But that German shepherd, I, we did a lot of looking into data back then when I was six. Different animals, different dogs have hugely different propensity for violence when it comes to humans.

Clay Travis (31:49)

BB gun versus AR15 everybody. Again, I own, I own an AR15. You know, if you want, if you want to take on that responsibility, of course that's fine. But just don't pretend your AR15 is a BB gun. It's the same thing. It's not okay if I, if someone gave a 10 year old without supervision an AR15, they should go to prison. Some people might give the 10 year old, you know, give him a BB gun, go play some. It's different. The risk profile is different. And with dogs it's, it's obviously the same thing. And by the way, people say, what about rottweilers? What about you were, you had a German shepherd.

Buck Sexton (32:21)

Shepherd.

Clay Travis (32:22)

Yeah, those are higher risk. You know, maybe those are, you know, nine millimeter dogs. But there's differences here with, with the danger. I mean, no one's ever been killed by a French bulldog. Ever, ever. Has not happened. Impossible for a human being to be murdered by a French bulldog. It's not the same. Everybody anyway. I think actually most people get this. I'll have a few people that are like, no, but my. No, no. Ok, so Chuck and Columbus agreed with me. Here we go, Gene and Cobbles.

Buck Sexton (32:51)

I was going to say Gene's got a tough argument, but I'm going to let Gene make it. Gene, fire away.

Caller (32:56)

Okay, brothers, thank you very much. Great listening to you guys. You mentioned earlier about three strikes and you go to jail for 20 years. New York State, I think under Governor Rockefeller had a three strikes and you went to jail for life. The problem I don't think it considered was law enforcement was not really behind that because if you're going to arrest a guy on his third felony, he might as well just shoot it out. What's the point of being arrested? It put the police department in tremendous danger. I have a lot of family that's in law enforcement. I'm not. But they were not happy about that. You're arresting that guy for his third felony. He might as well just blast away and hope for the best.

Clay Travis (33:37)

Well, so a few things I would say here, Gene. First of all, it doesn't have to be a life sentence like for as I said, 20 years. Honestly, it would be a huge advance if it was even a mandatory 10 because at least there would be official, you know, if it's a mandatory 10, at least there's official punishment. And by the changes state by state, I Don't know what it is in New York right now, but if that were the case everywhere, you wouldn't have individuals arrested 100 times who have done no real time. I mean, how is that possible?

Caller (34:06)

Can I just pivot real quickly to the dog?

Clay Travis (34:08)

Sure, yeah, sure.

Caller (34:09)

I had dogs my whole life. I had labs, I had a bunch of Labrador retrievers and whatnot. That Labrador retriever, when he was a puppy, I throw a stick in the water, he'd go out, he'd retrieve it, he'd bring it back. It was in his DNA. I had a little terrier, I bring him out in the field, he'd go dig up mice and moles out of the ground. It was in his DNA. No one shortened that. Pit bulls in their DNA is to attack. And that's my opinion on it.

Clay Travis (34:36)

And that's why, Gene, I'm going to upset some people. I agree with you. My dog is obsessed with fetch because she has two retrievers in her. In her bloodline. She said we never taught her to play fetch. She will play fetch until she basically falls over an exhaustion, if you let her. She loves fetch. That's just because she's a retriever, because she comes from a poodle and a Labrador retriever. And that's what they do. Now, can you get around? This is their nature. Nurture. Of course.

Caller (35:01)

Sure.

Clay Travis (35:02)

But, Clay, here's another example. Why can't you just. People would tell you if you found a baby cougar in the woods, you can hand raise it. You could hand raise that baby cougar. It's. I'm talking about the cat, Clay. I know what he's. We're not talking about ladies in miniskirts in their late 40s, okay? We're talking about the actual wild animals.

Buck Sexton (35:22)

Just to clarify, those are actually more dangerous than the actual wild animals.

Clay Travis (35:27)

I know exactly where Clay's going. But people will tell you, no matter what you do, they'll say, that's a wild animal that's not domesticated. Well, that's purely a function of the genetics of the animal. Right. Because it's a cat. Just like a house.

Buck Sexton (35:40)

The tiger guy, back during COVID you raise those tigers from the times they're little kittens. Right.

Clay Travis (35:48)

And one of the handlers had his arm ripped off.

Buck Sexton (35:50)

Yes. They grow up and they turn into tigers, even if they are raised by humans. From. There is a. I told you.

Clay Travis (35:57)

I actually just mentioned it to Carrie recently, too. I think it's a really under. Sort of under viewed or not, you know, well enough known project Name about the people that some Columbia lib. Lib Universe lib. University professors in New York City. Raising a chimpanzee as close to being like how you would raise a human child as possible. They taught it sign language. I mean, they really tried to make this whole thing. And it's amazing. And when it's little, it's the cutest thing you've ever seen. It gets older. You know what happens? It gets pissed off. It decides that it's going to do something that you don't want it to do because it has its own views, its own, you know, its own.

Buck Sexton (36:29)

And they're crazy strong.

Clay Travis (36:32)

Crazy strong and very dangerous. That's what. That's what you find out from the movie. They're crazy strong and very dangerous. So hold on. Ok, here we go. Gussie and Savannah. We got. We got. We got the pro pitbull side of the argument. I knew this was going to happen. Go ahead, Gussie.

Caller (36:51)

Hi there. I just wanted to say that I think pit bulls get a very bad rap. They're not all bad. At one time. We blame the Doberman, we blame the German shepherd, we blame the Rottweiler, and now it's the pit bull's turn. And I don't think that it's the right thing to just generalization say that all pits are bad. They're not. It's according to how they're raised. And how.

Clay Travis (37:22)

Can I ask you, can I ask you very quickly, though? Did I say that all pits are bad?

Caller (37:26)

No. No, you did not.

Clay Travis (37:28)

I did not. Right, right, right.

Caller (37:30)

But you using the pit as an analogy, and I just don't think that that's fair to the pit bull.

Clay Travis (37:37)

I understand, but Gussie is a. Is a pit bull. If you have one in a hundred bad pit bulls and one in 100 bad Chihuahuas, is the pit bull more dangerous to a human being than the chihuahua?

Caller (37:48)

Oh, absolutely.

Clay Travis (37:50)

Okay.

Caller (37:52)

They're stronger, they're bigger, they're. They're more. But that doesn't mean that they're bad.

Clay Travis (37:58)

But now if you look at the data and you look at how. How many pit bulls either attack people or even turn on their owners, it's just much higher than any other dog breed. It just is. So as a percentage, you're right that they're not all bad, but as a percentage, they're far more likely to harm someone.

Caller (38:17)

Have they looked into how that pit bull was raised? Have they. How that pit bull was treated?

Alex Berenson (38:23)

All those.

Buck Sexton (38:24)

Thank you for the call. Although all those things obviously factor in, which is. Thank you for the call. Buck's point on nature versus nurture, because there are elements in all facets of life, of environment and how it impacts things. My mom.

Clay Travis (38:38)

My point though, again stands. Yeah, 100 out of 100 French bulldogs. You could raise Clay. No one's dying. You pick up a puma from the wild. Another name for a cougar. Some people are going to get got by the cougar. Okay, that's going to happen.

Buck Sexton (38:51)

Not all of them, but probably not a good idea. I've got a swimming pool now. I'm interested in alligators. Maybe I'd get an ice alligator. Probably not smart to keep an alligator in my pool just, just tossing it out there. Most of the time it might be fine, but at some point the alligator gets big enough. This happens every now and then in New York, right? Where guys decide, hey, I'm going to get a baby alligator. And they start trying. Remember the guy had a tiger. Didn't the guy have a tiger in a New York apartment? And they found like that he was raising a tiger in the apartment, which good for him that he managed to survive.

Clay Travis (39:23)

I knew a family in New York that was from Dallas that had it. They had a pet tiger for a while. True story. And they had some like way of. And when it was a little cub and they got rid of it, I was like, well, you know, they gave it to a zoo. They didn't, you know, they gave it to a sanctuary. I said, well, how did you know when it was time to get rid of it? They said when it started hiding on things and jumping on people's backs when they weren't looking. Yeah, you don't want a tiger practicing the pounce, the death pounce on you when it's six months old, which is what was happening. So the dog thing though.

Caller (39:55)

Yeah.

Buck Sexton (39:56)

There are more tigers, I believe is true in Texas than in the wild. Have you heard that stat before? Yeah, there are more captive tigers in the state of Texas alone than live in the wild right now, by the way. My mom said it took three different surgeries on my face after the German shepherd got me when I was 6. And some breaking news out there, Buck. We'll get to it in a sec. But Cash Patel says they have found an IED. Thankfully was not did not go off in at MacDill Air Force Base. Brother and sister indicted. Yet another Iran inspired, he says attempted terror attack. Just FYI, that was just a tweet from Cash Patel.

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Buck Sexton (46:21)

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Maureen Callahan scheduled to join us top of the next hour. We'll get to a bunch of your calls as well and we will dive into all of these different comments, variety of different perspectives. One positive story that came out earlier today, Buck the Olympics has decided that men pretending to be women are not allowed to compete any longer in any Olympic event. And that sounds ridiculous that the Olympics had to come out and say it. I don't think they would have done it if President Trump had not been elected and if the 2028 Olympics were not going to be taking place in Los Angeles. What does it mean? You can go read it. I shared it on Twitter, the details. But basically they are going to do I think they can do a cheek swab if people claim that they are first of all, a lot of times very easy. Nobody's claiming to be male that isn't actually male and managing to qualify for the Olympics. But if a man is pretending that he is a woman and if there is a doubt about his sexual background gender wise, then all you have to do sweep, just a little cheek swab and boom, you can tell what the DNA is. And the Olympics is saying they will test as necessary to keep men out of women in sports. It's wild that this is where we are, but that is a positive sign. We come back Final hour next.

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