Buck Sexton (2:38)

Is that what everyone tried to do?

Child Witness (2:40)

I think I got, like, gunpowder on my neck. Yeah.

Clay Travis (2:44)

When you heard the shots, what went through your head?

Child Witness (2:46)

I was like, the first one, I was like, what is. I thought it was just something. Then I heard it again. I just ran under the pew, and then I covered my head. My friend Victor, like, saved Me, though, because he laid on top of me, but he got hit.

Clay Travis (3:02)

Your friend laid on top of you?

Child Witness (3:04)

Yeah, and he got hit.

Buck Sexton (3:06)

Is this something that you've practiced before?

Child Witness (3:09)

Yeah, we practice it, like, every month or. I don't know, but yeah. We've never practiced it in the. In the church, though.

Buck Sexton (3:21)

His friend Clay covered him with his own body during the shooting.

Clay Travis (3:26)

Yeah, look there. This is what I like to do when awful things happen. I like to talk about the people who did the right thing and who were brave and who were courageous and who made the choice to do everything. That is what you would hope would happen. There's always people who run towards the sound of gunfire and do whatever they can to protect innocent people. And I think their stories oftentimes get lost because we focus too much on the killer. Meaning one of the reasons I try to avoid. Sometimes people don't like it. Somebody sent an email like, why don't you name the killer? As often. Because the data reflects that a lot of people in their sick minds are doing this to try to be famous. That's what the Columbine guys did. They basically have created an entire copycat arena of school shooters who all want to be famous. They want their names to echo in infamy. And I would rather tell the story as these kids stories come out. I would rather share stories of bravery and courage and, yes, sometimes mournful loss of the victims than give the person who is, frankly, I think, evil and certainly motivated by a desire to have their evil acts not only create infamy for themselves, but motivate others to engage in acts of evil. And so I think for all people of good conscience, it's important to shine a bright light on positivity, good courage overcoming evil, as it does every single day. So within that context, I do think it's important to examine why this is happening. What has occurred that in Nashville, Tennessee, my hometown, a trans person would take a gun in and try to kill innocent kids at a school that she attended. And at a trans man would take a gun into the school that he attended and try to kill Christians. And I want to play a couple of these cuts, Buck, because I think they're important. You all out there listening to us right now are quite well informed on this story. But I always think it's important for you to think about what would you know if you were just not listening to this show and maybe you're not on social media and you're not following people like Mary Margaret Olahan, who we just talked with you're not following Buck. You're not following me. You, you are just kind of out there in legacy media land. What would you hear? I want to play a couple of these cuts. This is ABC News. ABC News just had to pay $16 million to settle a lawsuit with President Trump over George Stephanopoulos calling him a rapist inaccurately on television multiple times during an interview with Nancy Mace. This is to me not an error. This is, I want to get this guy's name. Aaron Katersky reporting about the Minnesota shooter. Now remember, the Minnesota shooter wrote on his gun, kill President Trump. Kill President Trump. He is the furthest thing from a Trump supporter you could be. Imagine you didn't know that. You hadn't seen that photo. You didn't have this information. This is what ABC News viewers heard last night and there are millions of them in the report about this shooting.

Aaron Katersky (6:55)

Listen, 23 year old Robin Westman was able to leave what police called a video manifesto that they're now going through to try and establish motive. We've also been going through it and can tell you there are crude diagrams of the church. There are also photos of the weapons and they include all sorts of writings. The names of past mass shooters, criticism of Israel, the name of President Trump written on the guns. There are also racial slurs, nihilistic statements, all painting the picture of a disturbed individual who carried out this mass shooting on the first week of school at the Annunciation Church in Minneapolis.

Clay Travis (7:37)

Ok, how do you not say if your goal is to inform the public about the facts of a case, how do you leave out that it was written kill President Trump? It had President Trump's name on the gun. Well, if you're watching that, you could think, oh, that must be a die hard Trump supporter. Oh, this is one of those crazy Trump supporters. He took a gun to a school and he shot up the place. I do think that this is incredibly important. And also, Buck, I wanted to play this and I know the news reports are using the person's name. This is not us. But in order to play this audio, I think it's important for you to hear what they're saying. Jake Tapper on cnn. They are continuing to be concerned about using the right pronoun for a terrorist killer. This is what you would have heard if you were watching CNN yesterday during their coverage.

CNN Reporter (8:27)

Cut five, the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Just as another piece of the puzzle as to who the shooter was, Minneapolis Star Tribune says according to court records, because there's been some confusion about what the shooter's Name was.

Buck Sexton (8:37)

Yes.

CNN Reporter (8:38)

Robin Westman's mother applied to change her child's name in 2019. It was at one point Robert Paul Westman.

Buck Sexton (8:45)

Correct.

CNN Reporter (8:46)

But since she identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification was underage, it's now Robin Westman.

Clay Travis (8:54)

I mean, this is a mass delusion. When you have a killer terrorist and on live television you are worried about using the correct pronoun of a trans terrorist. It's indefensible.

Buck Sexton (9:09)

It's indefensible. It's cowardice. It's Tapper. I'm not surprised.

Clay Travis (9:12)

This is.

Buck Sexton (9:13)

He's always maneuvering within the, the corporate layers at CNN because it's not the audience that he works for, it's the bosses writing the checks that he tries to cater to. And with that in mind, you have to remember that some of these media institutions, certainly at cnn, there are people who are keeping score on pronoun usage. Maybe they're doing it quietly Clay, but they tend to work in hr, other places in the building as well. And they will remember if you use the wrong pronoun, even for a child murdering psychopath like this guy was, they will remember that you don't bend the knee and they will try to exact revenge, retribution on you career wise later on. I still see people. I just got an email a few days ago from somebody about an unrelated matter to media, but a professional, you know, an email, somebody I was going to be work, doing work for me. With pronouns in this, in the signature.

Clay Travis (10:11)

Yeah.

Buck Sexton (10:11)

Why, why do you. I want to ask this person. I mean, I'll be honest, I want to ask why. Why do you have pronouns in your, in your email signature? Do you think I don't know. You're clearly a woman. Why are you telling me that you're a woman in your email signature? Like I'm, I'm no longer just passive about this. It's a bit like the mask thing. By the way, I know you're going to say, buck, that's a crazy turn. It's really not with COVID Initially it was just, just do it because, because it'll do something. It'll make people feel better. And then we said, all right, I mean, I guess like some places, maybe I'll put this on so you don't freak out. And then it was, you better do it or else I'll lock you up. You better do this or else I'll ban you from public access to bars and restaurants and everything else to do buildings where you work as the same thing with the Pronoun thing. It starts out as, oh, it's just a courtesy. And then once they get a critical mass, it's do this or you lose your job. So don't ever forget, the slippery slope is real. Slippery slope is almost undefeated. And the slippery slope with this trans madness stuff is absolutely real and established. And finally it has started to move in the other direction where. Yeah, you know, I'm sick of saying it too. Of course you treat trans people with kindness. You just treat them like human beings because they are human beings. But you know, Clay, if I walked around telling everybody, you have to call me Emperor Lord of the Universe Sexton, I'm sorry, people don't have to do that. That doesn't make them a bad person. Because I'm not Emperor Lord of the Universe Sexton. And just because somebody wants to demand something from you, it doesn't mean they can say because of courtesy, you have to go along with it. Nevermind. As Trump says, the seven foot guys were like, I want to play women's basketball now. No, no.

Clay Travis (11:51)

Why?

Buck Sexton (11:51)

You don't get to.

Clay Travis (11:52)

Why should you get to pick your pronouns any more than you get to pick your adjectives? Let me tell you something, may stun some of you. People call me some pretty tough things on social media. Some people are even, maybe even a little bit mean. I don't get to say, hey, sorry, my preferred adjectives are handsome, brilliant. Like, I don't get to tell you how you define me.

Buck Sexton (12:20)

Well, right. What if somebody, Clay, what if you were sitting down with an interview and we'll take this in the sports world for a second, you sat down with somebody who is, you know, an NFL player and he's like, I would prefer that you refer to me as Heisman Trophy winner. So? And so.

Clay Travis (12:33)

Yeah.

Buck Sexton (12:33)

And you look at him and you go, but you didn't win a Heisman Trophy.

Clay Travis (12:36)

Yeah.

Buck Sexton (12:37)

Are you being discourteous or are you just not living in a delusion?

Clay Travis (12:42)

I think again, reasonable people have to stand up and say, we're not going to play this game anymore. And even beyond that, how do the.

Buck Sexton (12:53)

Democrats back out of this, by the way?

Clay Travis (12:54)

How does the left?

Buck Sexton (12:55)

Because I think they're stuck. I think this is the problem they've run into. They, they're just waiting until they have enough power again to ram it all down our throats again. That's the game. The game is not to actually retreat.

Clay Travis (13:07)

I'll give you my answer. I think gay people need to say, we're not a part of this group anymore. And I Know, we got a lot of gay people out there listening to us right now. And I know some of you have felt this for some time. There is a pretty big difference between saying, hey, I'm attracted to the same sex, and, hey, I am a different gender than what all of us know to be true. I'll even say back in the day, back in that we had people transvestite, right? Like, you dressed up potentially as someone you weren't. You didn't claim. You didn't claim that you were actually that. And I think a lot of gay people, frankly, are looking around and saying, like, hey, you know, I'm fine with the L's, the G's, the B's. This whole.

Buck Sexton (13:58)

This is the Dave Chappelle sketch where he got a lot of. A lot of grief from the left.

Clay Travis (14:01)

But I think that, to answer your question, I think that gay people have to start saying, hey, this is not really our struggle. Our struggle was, hey, we want to be able to have basic human rights. We want to be able to live as. As we believe we should be able to live. But you don't have to have surgery to try to artificially create yourself if you are gay. And I think a lot of gay people just need to say, there's a difference here. This whole identity politics has created, pardon the pun, a lot of very strange bedfellows, right? A lot of black people out there are actually very conservative and go to church all the time. And they're looking around and they're like, this trans thing is crazy. I don't think dudes should be able to win women's championships. Why am I in the same party as them? I think identity politics has to explode. And all the individuals have to make rational decisions, regardless of your race and your gender or your ethnicity. And you have to be willing to speak truth. And a man is not a woman, and a woman is not a man. And if they can get you to lie about that, they can get you to lie about anything. And they took advantage of kindness, particularly of women. I'm sorry. Women are kinder in general than men. Notice men. There is no Dylan Mulvaney. There's no man. There's no woman who used to be a man, that men are like, this is the man of the year. We just don't do it. Women got taken advantage of. I think women and gay people need to say, this is not right. We're done with it. That's my answer.

Buck Sexton (15:31)

So gold has been valuable for a long time. Think about history. Think about what. What is the most basic unit of money for thousands of years that people will consider, well, gold. Gold has always been valuable. You have gold coins, people will trade those for stuff because gold is good and valuable. Now look at the last 10 years. 10 years. I just put this into an AI, into AI to give me a sense of what the numbers are. Gold has had about 188% return over the last 10 years. That's pretty good, isn't it? In fact, over just the last year, gold has gone up about 40%. So this is pretty straightforward, my friends. The thesis here is gold is valuable. Gold over time increases in value and you should have some gold as part of your portfolio. Now I understand Trump's doing amazing things with the economy. It's very easy to kind of rest on Trump's laurels here and say, well, we're going to look at the trade deals and look at all these things. Yeah, that's great. Trump's only got a few years in office and I'm trying to get you prepared for your finances and your future for 10, 15, 20 years from now. And gold as a part of that plan just makes sense. A part of the plan. It's not the whole plan. It's a part of the plan. It's a way to balance your portfolio and to protect some of your savings. I'm a gold holder and I have been for over a decade. I recommend you call my friends at the Birch Gold Group. You reach out to them because they are the best at getting you real physical gold at home. They've sent it right to my home. I've had this done. So easy and they want to have long term gold buyers who believe in the thesis. They want long term gold clients and it's so easy to get started with them. Text my name Buck to 9898 98. Birchgold will send you a free info kit on gold. Text my name B U C K. Text buck to 989898 and birch gold to send you that free info kit on gold. And just remember, they can also easily convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold. Maybe you have an old job, you got 15, 20, $50,000 in that IRA or that 401k rather they can transition that into gold for you and then you're just watching as gold increases in value over time. Text my name Buck to 989-898 today.

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Buck Sexton (19:58)

Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We are joined now by Lieutenant Governor Winsome Earl Sears, the first woman elected governor, first black woman and female veteran to hold statewide office in Virginia. A fantastic patriot who is doing wonderful things in the great state of Virginia, which is a place I've spent a tremendous amount of time actually over the years. Lieutenant Governor, appreciate you being with us.

Winsome Sears (20:24)

Well, hello and thank you for having me. Now, I do have to correct you on one thing. I'm not yet the first female governor. I'm the first female Lieutenant Governor. That's a good thing, too.

Buck Sexton (20:37)

Oh, sorry. Well, yes, well, but you're going to be the first female governor, right? Tell us about it.

Winsome Sears (20:43)

Well, there. That is. Yes. And it's. Why? Because we have the common sense ideas. What do I mean? Well, it's a good question. Who asked that? I think I just did. Well, it's because, again, we have been able to present an economy to the people of Virginia and they love it. They love that we have created so many jobs, you know, 276,000 people working that weren't before we came into office. We also have over 250,000 job openings. And then we've created, on top of that, 15,000 plus new business startups never existed. How can you do that? Because you get rid of barriers, you get rid of regulations, and you become people who want Virginia to succeed. So my opponent says, now she's running on our successes. Wait, you're a Democrat running on the successes that we created. You're not going to keep them if you win, which she won't. But if she were to win, she would dismantle and destroy everything that we've created. So she's got the problem, not me. We've been doing the work. Abigail, where have you been?

Clay Travis (21:47)

We're talking to Winsome Sears, Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, who hopes and should be the next governor. I saw some of these, some of these statements from Abigail Spanberger, who is the Democrat nominee on men and women's sports. And she dodged the question like she was Neo in the Matrix. I mean, she is doing everything she can do to avoid saying what is very easy for everybody, 90 plus percent, I think, of actual sports fans, even two thirds of Democrats. Hey, men have no business in women's sports. I saw your ad. I loved it. You're. You're nailing her on this. But isn't it about just how out of touch she is with Virginia that she can't speak the truth on this?

Winsome Sears (22:32)

Well, everything about her is out of touch and none of it makes any sense. You know, here are the parents wanting to raise their boys to respect women, to honor women. And then we have, for example, the Loudoun County School Board who have disciplined the two young men because they are uncomfortable being forced to undress in front of a female. And for that, they are now labeled sexual in their school records, sexual harassers. But this is what their parents have been raising them to be, to respect women. So you have now school boards who are against parents. And Abigail Spamberger supports that because she voted for Men, biological men in women's sports. She voted for biological men having to be able to undress in locker rooms with our young girls. She voted for all this nonsense, and that's crazy because she's got three girls. Is that what you want for your girl children? Parents don't want that. I wouldn't want that. She needs to come forward and defend. Defend her votes. She voted that way. Virginia doesn't want that. And that's why I'm asking Virginia for your vote this coming November so we can continue with common sense and not policies that tear us away from our children.

Clay Travis (23:56)

Lt. Governor Winsome Sears with us right now. This story just broke on Out Kick, and it goes directly into the state of Virginia. And I'm betting that Abigail Spanberger is going to be dodging it. In addition to Roanoke women swimmers and Loudoun county, as you mentioned, in 2022, Virginia Tech female swimmers protested. Lia Thomas, who was a man pretending to be a woman swimming for the University of Pennsylvania women's swim team. They reached out to espn, begged for ESPN to tell the story of their protest. ESPN refused to cover it. So it's not just Abigail Spanberger. It's also there have been a lot of legacy media outlets that have refused to speak truth here, and now they're trying to run cover for your opponent. I think this is really significant. I know it matters a great deal to our audience, but how protected is the legacy media trying to keep your opponent so she doesn't have to answer questions about her failures on this issue?

Winsome Sears (25:01)

Also, they started a long time ago by not even asking any questions of me. They would just pretend I didn't exist. I mean, I would walk by them and they would not say a word. They would have microphones in everybody else's face, and it was as if I didn't exist. I mean, I have been the headliner, the keynote speaker at events. You know, I'm a United States Marine Corps veteran, and I would be at Veterans affairs honoring veterans events. And they would not even say that I was there, even though I was a keynote speaker. Never even said I was in the audience, never even put my picture in, but always talked about everybody else around me. So they've been dismissing me for some time now because they saw me coming and they knew that she would be in trouble, Abigail Spamberger, and they want her to win. You know, here's the problem with that. I grew up partly in Jamaica, which at the time was suffering from socialist policies. And the media put their finger on the scale for other People who eventually ended up destroying what little economy we had. Because socialism, you know, you can't ever do it right and put Jamaica's economy in a tailspin. And I can't believe that that's the same thing I'm seeing here. But we're to win because, you know, you can't hold righteousness down. And when you're on the right side of an issue where common sense is common sense, and where I even have now Democrats who are coming up to me and saying, I'm a Democrat, but I'm going to vote for you because I don't want my girl children having to undress in front of full frontal noodle boys. I mean, think about. We're creating sexual trauma. Sexual trauma. Do we not have enough trauma in the world?

Clay Travis (26:45)

No.

Clay Travis (26:45)

It's crazy.

Buck Sexton (26:47)

Lieutenant Governor Sears, I want to ask if you do become the governor, and we were obviously rooting for you, pushing for you, and hopeful that this is going to happen. Virginia is such a great state. The northern part of your state, some of the politics there, not my favorite. I'm just saying, right. You get in the edge of D.C. you got some people that, well, you need to reach out to them and convince them of the error of Arlington's ways. But Virginia, otherwise, a fantastic and wonderful state. Actually a family that was from Virginia and still lives there. I want to know what you're going to do if you become the governor. What will you continue on from the very successful tenure of Governor Youngkin and what would be some of the things that the great residents of the commonwealth would be able to look forward to?

Winsome Sears (27:33)

So one of the things I'm going to do, unlike my opponent, is I'm going to continue to keep Virginia safe. I'm going to support our law enforcement, Department of corrections personnel. We're not going to get rid of their qualified immunity. We're not going to defund them. You know who will? My opponent, Abigail Spamberger, because she has said, and she has taken money from. Wait for it. That defund the police pac. You can't take. She's taken thousands from them. So, you know, it's not like we don't know what she's going to do. So we need our police, right? We need everybody there. Because I can't even talk about safety and security. I can't talk about jobs being created, taxes being low if we're not safe and secure, Right? So that's the first thing I'm going to do. And you probably saw yesterday where she came out and said she was One of the first things, first things that she was going to do is precisely get rid of our safety and security because she's going to stop all these ICE detainers where we have now found 4,000 criminal illegal aliens in Virginia, including the number three top head of Ms. 13. And they are in various states of incarceration and deportation. She's going to stop that. I mean, who is this woman? Where did we get her from? Well, she can't be governor. The next thing people want is that they want their taxes back in their pockets. And we've restored what, $9 billion back into the pockets of Virginia's taxpayers. We have run a $10 billion surplus for each of the, for the entire time that we've been in office. And we're going to keep creating jobs, we're going to keep getting rid of regulations, we're going to have the energy that they need. We're going to have shovel ready sites, we're going to keep their inventories and their employees safe. Jobs will flood in and well, you will see, we will continue our great economic successes. Whereas my opponent is going to tax them to death. She's going to put regulations back on them and she's going to force every single employee, even if they don't want to, to join a union. That for me is an issue of liberty. So people know what they're going to get. With me, it's all common sense. Money in your pocket, jobs and safety. There you go. She doesn't know how to do this. She was never there when we were creating any of this good stuff stuff. She was in Congress taking stupid votes against us and now she's trying to backtrack, but she's not even back. She's like Punctaw Phil. We haven't seen her in a while. Where have you been, Abigail? You can't lead from behind.

Buck Sexton (30:07)

Lieutenant Governor Sears, appreciate you very much and please come back and talk to us either right before your victory or right after. You can choose.

Winsome Sears (30:15)

Winsome for governor dot com. Please go to my website winsome for governor dot com and help me.

Buck Sexton (30:23)

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Clay Travis (32:59)

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show. We rolling through the Thursday edition of the program. A bunch of comments rolling in. Let me read some of the emails. Tristan hey guys Longtime listener, first time reaching out. I'm 40 years old, gay male. I agree 100% that I do not identify with this current LGBTQ Alphabet community. I'm a gay man. I don't agree at all with any of the trans issues except for that they should be treated like human beings. But I'm not going to be holding on to their delusion. 100% agree. Another email just heard you on the radio talking about how gay men and women should push back, not just gay men. I think Buck asked a question. I think it's a really good question. How do we break sort of the national fever of delusion as it pertains to the trans related issues? And I said we have to break identity politics overall so people stop thinking about this as a group issue and just look at it individually, whether you're gay, straight, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, whatever you want to be. But I said the gay community, breaking away from the Alphabet mafia here and saying, hey, this is not reflective of us. So just to be clear, you said it perfectly well. I appreciate that. This isn't our fight. Trans is not our fight. I'm a gay man. God made me that. God does not make mistakes. Okay, Lisa, in Florida now, this may be tough. Lisa, you say your son is trans. So how old is he now?

Clay Travis (34:42)

40. But when this, when this started, like 17.

Clay Travis (34:47)

Okay, so this is. And obviously, look, there are. The vast majority of trans kids out there are not going to turn into school shooters. Right? So we're not saying this is directly connected, but when did your kid start to receive treatment?

Clay Travis (35:05)

Treatment for wanting to become trans?

Clay Travis (35:09)

Yes.

Clay Travis (35:10)

Yeah. So, well, the school jumped in there and started doing the counseling right there, the college he was going to. And it only take.

Winsome Sears (35:18)

They take two psychiatrists to get it approved.

Clay Travis (35:20)

And both of them said, oh, sure, so 17, 18, 19. And then in the 20s, we, you know, changed first name, last name, not we, not me. And next thing I know, this is who I am and you have to call me this, which I have to this day not and still respected, you know, the boundaries. That's your life, if that's what you want to do.

Winsome Sears (35:41)

Okay.

Clay Travis (35:42)

But at the same time, it has gotten so radical, and I got this whole schmill too, even from him. Would you rather have a good child for a transgender?

Buck Sexton (35:53)

The horrible blackmail line, emotional blackmail line they use against parents all across the country. Lisa, do you feel like, do you feel like the college trans, if you will, your son, Is that your belief or. I mean, how much of a role do you think they Played that that was.

Clay Travis (36:09)

If you could have seen the counselor that was in there with me, you know, and she's trying to tell me.

Winsome Sears (36:14)

Well, she says she's this.

Clay Travis (36:16)

I'm like, no, she is not. Because I've seen her go from the bedroom to the bathroom and drop the towel. So I.

Winsome Sears (36:22)

Parts are still where they are.

Clay Travis (36:23)

But at the same time, I told your screener who is very compassionate, I told my husband last night because it has gotten so far out of hand and so radical and his whole personality and I mean this is a kid that grew up in, in, you know, Christian church and enjoyed it and loved it. Not anymore. And I don't know how to describe the feeling, but I told my husband last night, I said, has he had the full.

Buck Sexton (36:47)

Has your son had the full, Lisa, like the surgeries?

Clay Travis (36:52)

No.

Winsome Sears (36:53)

No.

Clay Travis (36:53)

What about drug treatment, the hormones, all those things?

Clay Travis (36:57)

Oh my goodness, yes. We've got boobs, everything. Yes.

Clay Travis (37:01)

So how has that changed his behavior? And I guess that's part one, part two. What would you want other parents out there who might be dealing with this to know from your perspective?

Clay Travis (37:16)

Well, it immediately started changing the personality and then actually he even admitted it. And it also started changing health issues overall. But the other thing, don't buy into that because it gets so far fetched and so deep into it. I told my husband last night, I don't know if he would actually. He's gotten so bitter and they feed into it and make it worse. I don't, I don't know that he wouldn't go out and do something like this. I can't tell you that. And I as horrible if this is going to sound. I don't know how to say this and it's just going to sound horrible, but if I thought that something would happen to my son committing suicide and he would still go to heaven, I would be better living with that than knowing that he went out and killed children or anybody for that matter. I don't even know if that makes sense.

Clay Travis (38:04)

No, I appreciate you calling in and sharing this because I think what it goes to is the. And thank you so much. And, and certainly I know a lot of people are going to pray for you, Lisa, but I think what it goes to, Buck, is the emotional blackmail that this puts families through that is rooted in a lie. And I just, I'm sorry, I don't think that any of these kids are getting better. Right. You're not getting a better son or daughter than you already had. And it's putting families through the ringer right?

Buck Sexton (38:42)

I mean, imagine if you sat down with somebody, Clay, who was a serious drug addict, and their response to you was, either tell me the drugs are good or I might commit suicide. That's what's going on here. There's no choice for these parents.

Clay Travis (38:56)

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