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Leon Naifak
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
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Leon Naifak
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in hour number two, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Encourage all of you to go subscribe to the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. We have an incredible cadre of different amazing perspectives as a part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. Whether you want someone like Tudor Dixon, former candidate for Republican Governor from Michigan. Four daughters, all pretty young. She's raising them. She is fabulous. She's been on this program a lot. We should have her on again soon. Our friends Carol Markowitz, New York Post writer, as well as Mary Kathryn Ham, both super interesting, smart, engaging mothers as well. And we also have our boy, Ryan Gardusky, who we affectionately Call a data nerd who can dive into a story and tell you why the numbers that are out there matter. And then we have just added your buddy Buck, who is a absolute badass. And people are downloading his podcast like crazy. And I know you guys heard, right?
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Buck Sexton
Yep.
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Clay Travis
He, he texted me last night. He was like, hey man, just thanks for letting me be a part of the, the podcast network. Feedback has been amazing. So thanks to all of you for supporting all of those different podcasts. We're about to add a new one. A doctor, I'll give you a little bit of a preview. Is going to be a doctor. And I think we are a real doctor.
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Buck Sexton
Not. Not a Jill Biden doctor.
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Clay Travis
That's right. Not a doctor. Jill Biden doctor. A real MD And I believe. Well, I should just say it. Can I say it now or am I not supposed to announce it? Ali, I can say it. Dr. Nicole Safire, who many of you will know from Fox News, is going to be doing a podcast as a part of the Clay and Buck Podcast network. And I believe Ali, is she scheduled to be on with us Friday? Tomorrow, next week? Friday the 13th. Interesting. So next Friday, if I haven't already tripped all over it and announcing it. Well, I went ahead. So she is going to be on with us. But a variety of different really cool perspectives that I know many of you out there are enjoying. And we did have Sean Parnell in our podcast network and he now is at the Pentagon. And I wanted to mention this because it is news. We have the first reporting.
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Buck Sexton
Tell everybody. Also, I think I should we. One of our first podcast network picks was Caroline Levitt. But she's like, guys, I think I have to go run the Trump campaign comms. True. And we were like, that's okay, that's cool. We respect that. We respect that.
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Clay Travis
For the original, the original listeners out there, we had Caroline on for the first time running for Congress in 2022. You can go back and listen to the archives. And now she is the badass press secretary who is regularly slaying all of the left wing loser media on a day to day basis. And she is phenomenal. But yes, the very first time we had her on the program was I think the summer of 2022 when she was running for Congress in New Hampshire and she wrote for Outkick. She's a former athlete. She has had a meteoric rise and she is absolutely dominating. And one change that is coming, Buck, I wanted to make sure we hit this national security advisor Mike Waltz, formerly the congressman from Florida from the Daytona area. Right. Of Florida, my Red or St. Augustine. He's been replaced now in his congressional seat, but he is now out. And I wanted to, to make sure that we played that audio reportedly. I don't think it's officially official yet, but this is our friend Dana Perino announcing this on America's Newsroom a little bit earlier today on FOX News.
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Buck Sexton
There's a breaking news that happened in the commercial break. So what you're looking at photographs right now of Michael Waltz. He is the President's national security adviser, except for we just got news that he is going to be leaving the administration along with his deputy, Alex Wong. Of course, if you might remember the story of Signal Gate, I don't know if that's a particular reason, but there was some consternation among some people about Mike Waltz, who you might remember was a congressman, Green Beret, a long, long history and career in foreign policy.
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Clay Travis
All right, so Buck, you were formerly in the CIA. I think a lot of people don't really understand, candidly, all of the different foreign affair advisor universe appointees. What is this job and what is the significance of someone new just after 100 days in this job? Your perspective.
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Buck Sexton
Well, it always depends with each administration how much sway the national security advisor can have for a president and how important he is. Right. You have people who are at that, at that Kissinger level. The first, the, the genesis of the NSC system was back in 1953 who became the President's special Assistant for National Security affairs. Right. So there's been a history of this for, for a while, the NSC system and the national Security advisor. The Robert Cutler, like I said, was the first one. This situation, though, as I see Clay with Walt, you got a couple of things and I'm not sure which holds more sway right now or which was the bigger factor. But you had two things going on. One, you had signal gate, which I know we shouldn't call it a gate because it's wasn't really as big a deal as they were making it sound. Trust me, a few minutes before the Houthi strikes happened, the Houthis were not about to be, you know, hacking into this chat and finding out where things were going and changing it up. But nonetheless, you want to be careful about your comms and you want to have, have secure comms if you're going to talk about things like that. But why was Jeffrey Goldberg even this whole thing about who was added to the chat. Well, what, what does that mean? I mean, how would you, how Would you add somebody that you don't know to a chat? You, you would have to have their contact information. Ok, so I think this is the, it's one thing if, like, if I'm trying to text Clay and I'm making fun of Jesse, Kelly and Jesse, you know, for being too tall or, I don't know, maybe not having the most luxurious mane of hair these days, and I accidentally text Jesse at the same time, thus blowing myself up in the process. Both of those guys are in my phone, so that could happen. Right. If I had never texted Jesse, I had no contact with him in my life, but somehow he was on that text where I'm talking smack. Well, that makes no sense. And it made no sense when Mike Waltz was saying that initially. So I think that got a lot of people, you know, they're like, well, is this because Jeffrey Goldberger, it's not just a reporter. He's a reporter who's written national security stories to destroy Trump to throw elections. I mean, he's, he is as anti Trump in the national security establishment as you can be. So why is the national security advisor for Trump, you know, in contact with him? That was the question that people were looking at, right? Yes, yes.
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Clay Travis
Well, I was just going to say, to be fair, Trump just did an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg. So, like, and I will say the one thing about Trump that I find endearing and also sometimes crazy, there are probably many things that you could point and put in that category, but he legitimately believes that anybody who hates him, he can convince they should like him and continues to do interviews with people who truly hate him.
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Buck Sexton
Well, well, yes. Trump likes to stick his head in the lion's mouth, so to speak. There's no question about that. And he even, he even tweets about that. But on the Jeffrey Goldberg thing, if Mike Waltzer come out and said, yeah, look, I like to try to push back on the false narratives. And so I will discuss with certain journalists who are opposition to the Trump agenda why they're wrong. You know, I would have said, okay, fine, but he said, oh, no, somebody else added this guy. I didn't add him, but I would never talk to him. And it just, it didn't make sense, man. There was something weird. But look, maybe that was nothing and maybe that has nothing to do with it. That's one component of this. And I'll just say this. I mean, Mike Walsh, you know, he's a patriot, a good guy. I like Mike Waltz. I'm just trying to understand or trying to surmise why he's no longer the national security advisor after 100 days. And the other one though is I think maybe the bigger issue, which is more of the policy dispute level and that is that Waltz, and I know this from interviewing him, is very hawkish on US Support to Ukraine and very hawkish on US Strikes against Iran, in my, to my recollection. And, and there is a ascendant faction within the Trump national security world, including Secretary of Defense Hegseth, who are cautious and limited in their support for Ukraine and would rather see us avoid a military strike and possible entanglement against Iran by going after the reactors or backing Israel too much in a strike it may do. And you know, that's those are big issues. And when you see those very differently, the friction, I think Clay can be a problem for the people making the national security decision. So those are the two things that I see. Do you see it that way? And is there a third?
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Clay Travis
No, I think you're right on that. I would also add in that there have been people who have believed that Waltz was not sufficiently die hard Trump. If you go back through his history, there have been talks that in 2016 he wasn't officially enough on the Trump train. Now, the reason why I would, I think you have to just kind of put that out there on the discussion point. The reason why I would discount it is Trump has proven time and again that once you are on board the Trump train with him, he is not a grudge guy. But I do think there are people in his administration that are grudge guys and gals that will constantly kind of come back if there's tension over a current situation and try to reinforce well, you know, back in 2018 he did say this or he did say this in 2016. And so I would also point this out. Buck Trump does not want to give the media anything that the media wants. He didn't act right after the signal event. He won't give them Pete Hegseth's head on a platter, which is what they seem to be demanding time after time after time. I actually see this in some way as strengthening Hegseth's hand because there has been talk that these two guys were at loggerheads at time. Over to your point, what the response should be to Iran. And here's my like, look, Iran, I think is going to be an issue for the rest of all of our lives. I don't think miraculously it's going to go back to 1978 in Tehran when men, women could walk around in miniskirts and heels. And they were relatively, as a Islam focused country, relatively modern. I think at some point they are going to get a nuclear weapon. And when they get a nuclear weapon, we're never going to be able to do anything to them again. Because that's why they want the nuclear weapon, because it strengthens them domestically, but also internationally. It sends the message of if you come after us, we can really obliterate you. It's why Kim Jong Un wants it. So I don't want war, but if there were a way to ensure that Iran never got a nuclear weapon, I think you have to listen to that argument. And I'm skeptical that any sort of negotiation is going to lead to Iran giving up that opportunity. Because the value of having a nuclear weapon is so massive that if I were Iranian and I were in some way involved with the Ayatollah Khomeini, if we could make it, the Ayatollah Clay. Ayatollah Clay would want a nuclear weapon. And we've talked about this with Ukraine, Libya, you mentioned we had this conversation a few weeks ago. Libya gave up nuclear weapons. Gaddafi was gone soon after. Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons. Russia has now invaded and taken away, what, 20% of their overall territory. Kim Jong Un wants them, the Ayatollah wants them. Because when you have nuclear weapons, you basically create a situation where nobody can come and try to overthrow you. That's why I don't think Iran is going to give this up. Whatever perspective you want to adopt, attack or not attack, I don't think Iran is going to give up through negotiation their capability to get nuclear weapons. It doesn't make sense to me. I think it doesn't make sense to them. I'm very skeptical that any negotiation is going to lead to a result like that.
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Buck Sexton
So these are, these are obviously weighty issues, and that is why a deep philosophical disagreement among people I'm talking about in Trump's inner circle, not like between the Democrats and the Republicans. That may be a part of what led to the change up here that has been reported with Mike Waltz's departure as National Security Adviser. I don't think that this will do what a Pete Hegseth forced resignation would have done, which is feed the piranhas and just make them want more in the media. I think that this is a little more inside baseball to the Trump team and what they need. But I miss. I wish Mike Waltz well, and I think that Trump does, too. And I'm sure he'll be doing other, other good stuff. Going forward. He gave up that seat in Congress here in Florida.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Which is now Randy Fines. So I hope Randy Fine does a good job. We'll see.
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Clay Travis
And that's a tough position to be in because as we come back, I mean, three months in, I presume he'll probably find a good job going forward. But I imagine if he had known he was going to be out in three months, I don't think he would have given up that congressional seat. Look, we wanted to let you all know out there, ton of rain. In fact, the rain just started pouring down as as I was talking to you guys during the first break. Went downstairs and rain is pouring down here. Rain and thunderstorms everywhere. And you want clean gutters so you can have a carefree summer. Get yourself hooked up with leaffilter right now. Save 30% off at leaffilter.com clayandbuck Gutter clogs not just a nuisance, they can cause extensive water damage. Let Leaffilters trusted pro help protect your home from flooding, roof damage, rotting, foundation issues and more. They'll clean out, realign, seal your gutters before installing Leaffilters. Award winning patented technology. Protect your home. Never clean out gutters again with Leaffilter, America's number one gutter protection system. Schedule your free inspection up to 30% off your entire purchase at leaffilter.com clayand buck that's L E A F CL filter.com clay and buck See the representative for warranty details. Leaf filter.com clay and buck stories of freedom.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
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Leon Naifak
Individual results may vary in the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
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Buck Sexton
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
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Clay Travis
No.
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Leon Naifak
It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
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Buck Sexton
And I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second, I'm going to ask.
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Leon Naifak
I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre and intense. Shane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
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Leon Naifak
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. I was gonna say Clay, I think our audience in general, I think are our wonderful listeners are perhaps even nicer than we are because they both seem very, very decisive when it comes to picking up friends and family from the airport themselves, which you and I were odd men out on that one. And also a lot of you, I think have helped people move and not, not immediate family or a love interest. Right. Because the guys out there, you know, you know, you're a few months into dating a gallery like her, she says, can you help me move? The answer is yes, if you want to. If you want to, you know, get, get to the, get to the altar. So, yeah, man, I think that people, we just have very nice giving people listen because they weren't like, I wouldn't help somebody move. I think moving is one of the most stressful, annoying things you can possibly do. I've had to move over 10 times as an adult. I moved an apartment from D.C. to New York and drove the, drove the U Haul all by myself one time, which was a quite so. It did all the moving, all the packing, all the driving, all the unloading.
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Clay Travis
How many times did you move in New York City from one apartment to another?
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Buck Sexton
Oh, gosh, six or seven times at least. Yeah, maybe.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, seven, right. Just. That just is miserable to me. I mean, we're in the process of moving now and I just, I need to just vanish and then just show up and everything's back in new places. Like I, it, it's, it's my, my.
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Buck Sexton
Tip for people with moving, for any of you who are thinking about or have to do it at some point. First of all, don't ever think of moving day as the day when the things happen. Moving day has to be the day that things just get moved. You want to start packing at least you ready for this at least a week in advance of the actual trucks, whether you're driving the truck or someone else is driving the truck, whatever it may be. And you want to start with your closets. Start with the closets. Because I know a lot of you out there. You're like me.
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Clay Travis
You're.
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Buck Sexton
You're hoarders. You probably have lots of just books and things and you stack them up in the closets and you have no idea how much stuff you've got.
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Clay Travis
Well, Laura Travis, if she is listening, is definitely nodding because I don't even know when we're gonna move and we've already started the moving process. Like, I mean, the, the packing has begun and we may not even be out of this house for months. I know we're not going to be out of this house for months.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through our number two. By the way, Senator from Louisiana, Bill Cassidy will join us at the top of the next hour to talk some of Trump hundred days and more. And our friend last night, he teased it and talked about it. The last time he was on with us, Bill O'Reilly was on the program and he said, hey, I'm going to be doing an event in New York, Long island, if I remember correctly, with Stephen A. Smith and Chris Cuomo. And it's to support or recognize the 100 days of the Trump administration. I think they did it last night. And Trump called in during the event, which aired on News Nation, I believe, which is where Chris Cuomo and Bill O'Reilly. Does O'Reilly do a show there to buck or just appear regularly?
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Buck Sexton
He just appeared. He appears regularly. I've actually, you know, I'm friendly with Leland Vitter, who used to be a Fox host and is over there now. So I do Leela Leland's show occasionally over there.
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Clay Travis
Oh, cool.
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Buck Sexton
They've got, they've got some, some good folks. They have some good guests. And they, they're doing, I gotta say, I, I think News Nation is, is punching above its expected weight already.
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Clay Travis
So that in general, News Nation, because I, I've not ever watched it, News Nation, the idea is that they're middle of the road, like, trying to be fair. Is that the ostensible basis of the network's existence?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, they had me on recently with a, with Anna Kasparian, who is, I think, of the Young Turks. And she was, we were talking about Trump and the tariffs, and she was very reasonable. It wasn't like the old CNN MSNBC days. It's like, why do you support Hitler? I'm not saying she says that, but, you know, that's usually the point. Counterpoint turns into this ad hominem mess. They're trying to have, I think, a little bit more of the look, they're trying to build, I think, a centrist news network, which, given that CNN is a joke. Now, there's no, no one thinks the only thing that's worth watching on CNN is Scott Jennings and Sir Michael Singleton just laying waste to libs on that panel show they do at night, which banned our friend Ryan Graduski. But we hired him, so it all worked out.
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Clay Travis
We did hire him right after he got banned. And CNN in the month of April had no shows in the top 25 for cable news. And I believe Fox had 13 of the top 14 shows. Fox News and Maddow was the MSNBC show.
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Buck Sexton
I don't even know who runs CNN right now. Is it like a British guy? I don't know who it is. Ever since they got rid of the guy who was trying to make it not insane because he gave it to him.
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Clay Travis
Is it Mark Thompson, the guy's name? Maybe?
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Buck Sexton
Could be. I don't know.
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Clay Travis
I don't know. But basically, we don't know it's not.
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Buck Sexton
Evil Zucker, who was like the Sauron of cnn. You say his name in a whisper because the evil just emanates. No, it's, you look at cnn. I think, Clay, if they, I really mean this, if they put you and me in charge of, of making a network, I would, it would not be a Fox clone. It would not go full. Right. You could make an interesting network over there, but you'd have to really scrap things down and, and start. But I think we could do it pretty easily. It wouldn't be that hard.
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Clay Travis
I agree. I, I agree. I mean, I, I, I think you could.
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Buck Sexton
News Nation sees that space, by the way. Just that News Nation sees that opening and that's what they're trying to do.
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Clay Travis
I, I think you could go hire a lot of people that are just fair and are somewhat reasonable, and I think there's still a marketplace there.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, honestly, when I used to do CNN initially, originally Clay, I remember I was a, I was a counterterrorism analyst at CNN initially. So I would go on and, you know, it was actually really fun for me. Recently, Kaylee had me on Fox and, you know, Paul Morrow, who we should definitely have on the show when, when the CIA sent me up to the NYPD Intel Division for, for about a year. Paul Morrow, who was then Captain Morrow, was my uniform, I mean, he wasn't like, in uniform, but they considered uniform law enforcement kind of supervisor, basically. So, like, he was effectively my boss. And it was fun because we got to do a Fox hit together last week. That was 15 years ago. It's been a long time. We, and then he became inspector more everything else. But he was always a very bright guy. I mean, you know, I think he's the kind of guy who could have been, he could have ended up running the whole department, running the whole nypd. But why was I telling you this story? Oh, yes, because when I used to go on cnn, it was in that capacity. And then when Trump came along, the battle lines were drawn. And now it wasn't. You go on to talk about something you know about, which is initially what I was doing over there. It was, you are here to defend a monster, therefore you're a monster, and we're going to treat you like one. And I'm telling you, it was that 2016 Trump comes. That was exactly what happened. It took 10, you know, almost 10 years, and now the network has fully cratered into the side of a mountain at high speed.
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Clay Travis
CNN is run by Mark Thompson. He's been there since October of 2023 when they replaced Chris Licht, I believe was the guy's name there. And it has tanked on a level that has truly never been seen at that network before. But here is Chris Cuomo. I want to play a couple of these cuts from last night with the Bill O'Reilly event. Trump called in 100 day discussion and celebration. First, he thanked Chris Cuomo. We're going to have Andrew Cuomo, I think, soon, as the mayor of New York. And this is an election that is sneaking up on people. It's basically a month away, the Democrat primary. And I'm telling you, Andrew Cuomo is going to win it and he's going to be the next mayor of New York. But here is Trump talking to Chris Cuomo. Listen, when you got shot, I reached out through family. I wanted to talk to you and I wanted to tell you a couple of things. One was that I hope that you were okay and that your family was dealing with it all right? And the second one was that I was embarrassed by how it was being covered, as if maybe it didn't happen. And I told my audience that I spoke to you. I didn't talk about the details of the conversation because they didn't matter. But the, the, there was a lot of heat that came my way, as if I shouldn't have been making a comfort call to Donald Trump.
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Buck Sexton
I do remember your call. I appreciate your call and I actually appreciate your family. I've known your family for a long time. You know that.
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Clay Travis
I think that's kind of interesting. We talk a lot about Trump's relationships in a larger context. You can kind of see it with Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer doesn't hate Donald Trump. Chuck Schumer there, I think he actually likes it.
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Buck Sexton
You could see, you could see those guys eating some well done steak and, you know, hanging out together. No problem.
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Clay Travis
Even at the Al Smith dinner, which I thought was Trump at his absolute comedic best, he took a couple of shots at Chuck Schumer. And you could tell Chuck Schumer was just like, yeah, that's kind of the Trump that I've known for 40 or 50 years. I mean, these guys think, I think.
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Buck Sexton
Pelosi does loathe him, though. Do you agree with that? I think Pelosi, Trump does not like Trump. Yes, I think that, I think that she, maybe she didn't originally, but I think she has, she has fully joined the I hate Trump train.
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Clay Travis
Like even Kathy Hochul. I think, anyway, the Trump relationship with Democrat politicians in New York still feels to me and media as well, and certainly the Cuomo family has been because of the father there. Mario has been in New York politics for a long time. There's a familiarity that extends way beyond Trump being a political candidate. And there seems to be a grudging acknowledgment. Maybe respect is the wrong word, but mutual understanding that doesn't feel rooted in complete hate. Whereas there are people out there, I think, that genuinely hate Trump. Trump also, you know, he has a good relationship with Bill O'Reilly and has for decades. But Trump also then had a conversation about Stephen A. Smith, ESPN's highest paid talent. And the question is, I can't believe this is real. Is Stephen A. Going to run for President of the United States as a Democrat or not? And this is what the conversation sounded like. Trump said, yeah, I think you should run.
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Buck Sexton
Stephen A. Smith may run for president, as you know.
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Clay Travis
Do you have any advice for Stephen A.
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Buck Sexton
If he launches the run? No. Stephen A's, he's a good guy. He's a smart guy. I love watching him. He's got great entertainment skills, which is very important. People watch him. You know, a lot of these Democrats I watch, I say they have no chance. I've been pretty good at picking people and picking candidates, and I will tell you, I'd love to see him run. All right, there you go.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so Trump kind of encouraging Stephen A. Smith to run. This is going to be really interesting to watch, Buck, because we'll see what Stephen A. Does. He makes $20 million a year arguing, you know, whether LeBron James or Michael Jordan are better. That's not a bad gig. A little bit different to step into the political realm. But I think what Stephen A. Represents is there is going to be, I'm just telling you, there's going to be at least one, maybe more than one non traditional Democrat candidate that is going to come in and I'm going to give you a couple of names and you can tell me I'm crazy. The Rock. Some of you are going to say, what in the. Dwayne Johnson has flirted with running politically in the past? Some of you have no idea who he is. I'm telling you, he is wildly popular. Your kids and your grandkids know him. He is talented at interacting in a media sphere, which is Trump. Like, I think he might run, but I think he is basically worthless at this point. Mark Cuban is very wealthy. I think he's been embarrassed by the way that he's been engaged in the political process. Now, it would not stun me if he decided to put his foot forward, forward. In 2028, there are going to be a bunch of rich, media focused guys, primarily guys, although there may be some women, too, who I think are going to come out of nowhere and actually see themselves as the Democrat version of Trump. I'm, I'm telling you, it's going to happen. I think there's going to be multiple of them.
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Buck Sexton
I don't know, man. It's so. It's hard for a lot of, a lot of these individuals who especially, I think are used to being very rich, not working very hard and having a tremendous amount of adulation. And people say, oh, it's. They work so hard. Every. This is one thing. I gave this speech once at my high school and I went back years later. It's like, everybody thinks they work hard. Okay. Figure out what you want to do and how much money you want to try to make at what you do. Every. No matter what the job is or what the career is, everybody thinks they work hard.
- [33:15]
Clay Travis
If you're. Well, the truth of the matter is, if you're good at anything, you probably have to work pretty hard at it.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, but, but I mean, there's, you know, you're not breaking rocks in, in like the hot sun somewhere, right? This is what I mean. You know, we, you and I sit here and let me just say, Clay and I, and thank you, Rush, for building this house. This is like the greatest job in the world. Okay. I've done other jobs, you've done other jobs. Like, this is the greatest job in our, in our opinions. I mean, I'm sure some of you say no, being a parent. Well, we were both, we're both parents now, too. We love that. But you know what I'm saying, Like, if you, maybe you love being a teacher, maybe you love. But there's different levels of work hard. Right. And especially once you get to a certain level and a lot of people who are celebrities. Yeah.
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Clay Travis
I mean, they don't work very hard. They don't work very hard.
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Buck Sexton
I'm going to tell you this very. I'm going to tell you something else. It's going to be a little controversial. But you know what? I'll fight anybody on this one. You work a lot harder on radio than you do on TV. Just a fact. Just a fact.
- [34:13]
Clay Travis
It's 100% true.
- [34:14]
Buck Sexton
TV is a team sport. Don't even ask. Ask our friend Sean Hannity, too. Like, which one requires more because he's obviously huge in both.
- [34:21]
Clay Travis
Right?
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Buck Sexton
Which one requires more energy? Time, obviously three, Three hours. Radio. Wait. TV is. You are. You are in a lucky world if you get to host a TV show. You got a staff and you got the lights. Radio. We sit here at microphones and have to just like lay it all on the table all the time. Okay, why am I going on this Rent? Because I think for a lot of these people to put themselves through that grinder of, you know, having everyone look into their backgrounds and everything else, they think they want to run for president, is my point. A lot of these Democrats who are celebrities, the Rock, for example, they think they want to do this, Clay. They don't really want to do this.
- [35:00]
Clay Travis
And then, well, then you realize that you have to land and you're at the Iowa State Fair shaking hands for eight hours and it's like, oh, wait a minute, where's my staff? Where's my air conditioned super trailer?
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Buck Sexton
Local politics, like retail level politics, which you have to do even if you're on the, you know, at the national level. If you're running for president, you got to show up to places and you gotta, you know, eat the rubber chicken that's on the plate and you gotta pretend like you love Punxsutawney. No beef Punxsutawney. I'm sure you're great, but it just was a random thing that came to mind here. You gotta pretend this is the greatest town in the world. You know, you gotta hustle and a lot of people don't want to do that. Hustle.
- [35:43]
Clay Travis
Do you remember the video? I don't even remember who the politician was walking in the New Hampshire parade. And there was the kid with the water balloons that on video just nailed the politician.
- [35:57]
Buck Sexton
No, I haven't.
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Clay Travis
I don't know.
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Buck Sexton
I gotta see this.
- [35:59]
Clay Travis
I team pull this up. I don't remember which politician it was, but it was, I think a July 4th celebration. And you know, you're walking in the alongside the firemen and you're waving and then out of nowhere this kid on, I mean, it's probably 16 year old kid is just. Just nails one of them in the back of the back of the head with a water balloon. And I just remember thinking, you know, like, you know, I guarantee you when you watch that video, you're like, what am I doing? You know, I'm walking around at a parade at a random New Hampshire thing and some people. Look, I think I would like some aspects of this because you either get energy from a crowd or it takes all your energy away and a Lot of politicians. I, I do see your point. My reason, I don't think Stephen A. Is going to run Buck, is because he makes $20 million a year talking about sports, and that's a pretty good gig.
- [36:51]
Buck Sexton
But I think he thinks he could run and come back to that and the 20 million would still be waiting for him.
- [36:56]
Clay Travis
Well, that's probably his case.
- [36:57]
Buck Sexton
Yeah. In his case, I think that.
- [36:58]
Clay Travis
Well, to your.
- [37:00]
Buck Sexton
You see it the way I do, which is, you know, this is why I knew Michelle Obama wasn't going to run for president. Michelle Obama lives the most like, despite all of her complaining about it, lives the most rarefied and incredible life. Just people throwing money at her, invitations, you know, private jet rides, mansions. You think she wants to go around and shake people's hands at the county fair somewhere and tell them to like her? No interest.
- [37:22]
Clay Travis
No, not only that, Buck, I would say this. A lot of these people are protected. And when you run for office, whatever your true nature is gets revealed. And a lot of these people are not that likable.
- [37:34]
Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Leon Naifak
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
- [40:14]
Buck Sexton
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
- [40:17]
Clay Travis
No.
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Leon Naifak
It became known as the Iran Contra.
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Buck Sexton
Affair and I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second I'm going to.
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Leon Naifak
Ask Attorney General I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
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Leon Naifak
To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We'll get some calls, some emails and set us up here for a big third hour. So we'll see. Also already seeing names coming out about the possible next National Security Advisor to take over for the spot that is being vacated by Mike Waltz. Not to be confused with Tim Waltz, who thinks he code talks to guys who go hunting and drink beer. Unsuccessfully, I might add. Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy is going to be up with us in the next hour. He was at the White House for the Invest in America Summit. We had Cassidy on right after the New Year's Eve terror attack in New Orleans, so we haven't spoken to him since then. Looking forward to talking to the Senator. Louisiana is a great state. I'm a big, big fan of Louisiana. And we will be coming back to you with all that. I wish we had more time for. You know what? Here we've got CC podcast listener Steve. Tell us Steve. Hey guys. The moving discussions, pretty interesting. When I lived in Chicago and I was in my late 20s, I had a girlfriend who was frankly way too hot for me. And she wanted. She made a big deal out of me helping her move. I moved a month later and she did not help me at all. So I broke up with her. I was so angry. I've never been so angry at anybody in my entire life. But I was there for her. She was not there for me. I mean, you're Steve, we love you, man. But the hot girl privilege is you help her move, she doesn't help you move. You get your buddies named Bill, Tom and Sal to carry the heavy stuff with you, right?
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Clay Travis
Team hot chick here. This guy overreacted. Poor decision, bud.
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Leon Naifak
Today, in the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair.
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Buck Sexton
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
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Leon Naifak
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.