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Clay Travis
Today welcome in our number two, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging with us. I know that many of you are dealing with the impact of this huge winter storm which has swept across the country. Half of all the homes in Nashville right now do not have power. I'm lucky enough to have power, but I've got a friend who is working in my home studio, law school buddy whose family is without power, as many people are. He just drove over to the house right now. Buck I 65, which is the main thoroughfare running through Nashville, I believe in one direction is shut down because a semi truck took out a support structure for a sign that is over the top of the interstate. So roads are icy all over the place. Mississippi, a lot of people in Louisiana, hundreds of thousands of people are without power. Frigid cold setting in. So if you have friends and family, hopefully you can reach out to them and be able to do the best for them. They shut down LaGuardia Airport yesterday. I think they shut down Logan Airport in Boston. They shut down Washington National Airport yesterday and over the weekend at some point in time. So it has been a major issue all over the country. And I know Ohio got massive amounts of snow. I'd like to thank our producers for the Clay and Buck show who moved into hotel rooms because traveling in New York City has been so difficult with the storm going on. So in addition to everything going on in Minneapolis, much of the country grappling with probably the worst winter storm that has existed in certainly many, many years. Okay, let's update you again. News President Trump says he has talked with Tim Walls, governor of Minnesota, and there has been an agreement to send Tom Homan in to help manage things going forward there. And so all of that is underway again with tons of issues all over the place having to do with with weather related conditions. A lot of you want to weigh in 800-282-2882 on the shooting that took place over the weekend in Minnesota. We have been taking calls and breaking down all of that. Buck. I think one of the big stories that we haven't hit on. So we looked into the specific of this shooting. There's going to be, by the way, A White House press briefing coming up soon. We will be rolling on that. We may even go to it live, because I'm sure there will be a lot of details surrounding all of that. The big picture question that I think is continuing here is what do you do going forward? Because, look, Joe Biden let 10 million at least, illegals into the country in four years. Tom Holman has told us that he believes there's 20 million illegals in the country. And there are reports that maybe two and a half million, roughly, of those illegals were either deported by ICE or voluntarily left. Buck, that's around 10%. I think what's going on here, if you want to, if you want to think big picture, is there's a quiet panic setting in in the Democrat Party over this is my theory. And some of you may or may not buy into this. I'm curious if you buy into it, buck, over the 2030 census that is coming up, the 2020 census, there's basically a recognition that there was, to a large degree, a failure of attribution of population, that red states were undercounted, that cost us in the Electoral College, and that it was a major issue going forward in 2030, given the fact that the population of the illegal immigrants is declining. And remember, they count illegal immigrant populations for purposes of the House seats, which means even if they can't vote, they're still counted as part of the population. That's probably a net benefit of around 10, at least, maybe as many as 20 seats for Democrats in the House. Given that we're talking about a 50, 50 country and it comes down to a few seats, who has control of the House? This is pretty seismic, pretty impactful. So I think what you're seeing here is actually a recognition that the 2030 census could basically wipe Democrats out of political power. And so they are fighting so hard to try to keep people in, in the country. Because really, when you get down to it, all of these people in Minneapolis showing up to protest the deportation of people who should never be in the country in the first place is really kind of crazy. And so as you break all of this down, I think that is the underlying aspect of why this battle is taking place. Does that make sense to you, Buck? Do you in some way share my just sort of disbelief that all these people are willing to show up unless you break it down in that manner? It doesn't make sense.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. Look, Clay, this is where the. This is where the Trump opposition was always going to consolidate. We said it after Trump won the election Right. You and I had a conversation. We could probably go find it pretty easily, but you and I had a conversation. We were. We were talking about what is going to be the next thing, because they've exhausted Russia collusion, they've exhausted prosecute Trump. All those things no longer have the resonance that they did. So now it's on. On deportations. And they understand that there'll be opportunities for the optics of this to look, you know, to look rough. I mean, the truth is, law enforcement, and we have a lot of cops listening, current and former, sometimes is a rough business, because at the end of the day, I mean, this is why you see these videos where you have these guys who are like, I do not recognize your authority when they're in a car. And the cop is like, I'm telling you to give me your driver's license. I'm going to pull you out of the car, you know, go through this whole thing. And they're like, I do not recognize your authority. And eventually they break through the glass, they pull them, because if you don't grab someone, enforce them, then there's no law enforcement. This is what people need to understand. And if people are going to evade Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and do everything they can to continue to violate our immigration laws, cops are going to find them, they're going to detain them, and going to make them leave the country. And that's not going to be a pleasant thing. It's not going to be something that people feel really great about. But I'll tell you, you know, I have a friend who used to do white collar defense. He's like, oh, yeah, everyone thinks, you know, yeah, we got to get the Wall street fat cats until some guy is nailed for insider trading and his wife and his three kids are in the courtroom crying their eyes out when he's going to go to prison for four years or eight years or whatever it may be. It's not a nice thing. You know, this is a. At some level, there has to be an understanding of what reality is if you're going to have law and order, which means that there have to be consequences. Now, those consequences should be commensurate, right? I'm not saying, you know, pepper spray everybody in the face if they, like, run a stop sign, but there needs to be an understanding that you can't subvert a. An entire policy agenda just because you don't like it. And that's what's going on in Minneapolis. And it's a very obvious play because it's not happening anywhere else. They've made a decision and there's some interesting analyses out there. Some of them have gone viral on X of. You know, we have so much counterinsurgency knowledge both in this audience and more broadly across America because of all of our gwad veterans who really live this stuff over many tours in Iraq, many tours in Afghanistan. And they understand decentralized cells, they understand command and control nodes, ways of, you know, going for hearts and minds, forcing overreach from all of these things. Now this is non lethal, well, non lethal so far on the part of the opposition and has resulted in some lethal encounters that they were hoping in my opinion to create. Unfortunately they want there to be use of force that becomes lethal in the opposition to Trump. The people that are opposing what's going on in Minneapolis, because that's what really is that really viscerally that really emotionally grabs people. So this is all, all in for the opposition. And I would just say yeah, I mean we need to adjust. Well, you're always adjusting tactics. You know, I'm not opposed to adjusting tactics if that makes it, but I am opposed to we just need to kind of walk away from this enforcement operation because it's making people sad or it's looking rough or whatever. First of all, that's an abandonment of the rule of law. Second of all, does anyone think that that's not going to increase and encourage this in other cities? You think this is the only place where they have a Democrat governor and a Democrat mayor who working together with clearly astroturfed and well funded direct action elements, which is what they call them in the kind of black bloc street protest world. They can pull direct action elements together in any major Democrat city to do this stuff, Clay, and they will if this is successful. That's why we have to really stay the course.
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Clay Travis
Well look, there's also the reports out there that there is a massive signal chat, signal is in, you know, basically secured text message transmission site. It's a sort of easy way to communicate that's not as easy necessarily to, to, to hack as your iPhone may be or other text messages may be that is directing people exactly where the ICE raids are going on and saying we need you to show up at this location. And it's being run by some of the top Democrat politicians in Minnesota. And I think what you were just pointing out is something that is very, very important. Ten times as many people have been arrested in Texas and Florida as have been arrested in Minnesota, yet we have seen zero protest because by and large the local Police have been cooperating with ICE in those locations. Here. The local police have in many ways been engaging in direct obstruction themselves. There are reports that J.D. vance put out that ICE agents were surrounded, asked for local police help, and local police refused to respond to ICE requests for help. And so this is. They have decided that the front lines of opposition to ice, they're trying to win this battle in Minneapolis because they believe if they win the battle in Minneapolis, that they can then spread the same form of resistance to other locations. And unfortunately, two people are dead that would still be alive if they hadn't decided to show up and try to obstruct ICE activities. And again, go back and read what was said about this in July by Democrat officials. They said, we need to get shot. We need to be in their faces, actually opposing them. This wasn't a tragic accident. The larger picture was intentional to try to create a violent interaction. That's the goal. And so the actual specifics of this incident are unfortunate, but the, the. The method and process by which this situation was created was very, very intentional. It was not accidental. And I would just say to the extent that anybody's out there listening right now, you can be a Second Amendment believer. And also believe, as Buck pointed out in the first hour, that doesn't mean you should take your gun. Every single place in a protest is not the best place, in my opinion, to be taking a gun when you're trying to get in the face of ICE officials. Because I really do believe this guy would still be alive if he had not had a gun on his person. He could have still been protesting. But I think that gun, when you see some of these details in the way it may be it discharged accidentally, maybe it put people in heightened states of fear. Once that occurred, it created this unfortunate outcome. And I think he'd be alive protesting still if he didn't have the gun.
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Buck Sexton
Also, generally, one of the reasons why somebody would and, and I do conceal carry not as much as. As I probably should, but the reason why you will do that is to be able to defend yourself and others if you need to. If you're going to a place that's full of cops, what do you think you're defending yourself against? And then if you're going to a place that's full of cops and you're going to antagonize them.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
What do you think you're defending yourself against?
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Buck Sexton
I mean, there's no question that what this guy did was stupid. The question is, what was the Reaction. Was there a justified reaction from law enforcement here or not? Was it a tragic accident or not? Now, an accident can be something that is reasonable on the part of the officers, or rather, their response could be reasonable even if a mistake was made. And that may well be where this is going, but I totally agree with that officer. A former officer called him last hour. We got to see all the tape. We got to see everything, because you have to be completely fair to these officers. And I was talking about reaction times. You know, you. You're talking about a. One second when someone gets their hand on a gun for you to make a decision. Now you hear a bullet go off, you. You think people might say, oh, well, the bullet went off. As far as they know, there could be another 14 or 15 rounds waiting to go off because the guy just shot off one. Maybe now he's gonna. You're gonna wait and see if he gets you get some people. I'm just saying, if you put yourself in the mindset of a copy who's wrestling with somebody who has a gun, who's causing problems, and a. And you hear a gun go off and you know you didn't shoot it, and none of the other cops shot it, what are you going to do? That's. That's where I think this is really going to turn. But again, Clay, the really tragic thing here, other than this guy lost his life, obviously this is what they wanted.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
They wanted a murky situation. They wanted to force. How many times a day are they harassing cops and doing all this stuff? They wanted a. You know, they wanted a cop to skid out in his car trying to go around one of these maniacs and hit someone on the street, or they wanted there to be an accident. They wanted someone to get shot. They wanted this to happen.
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Clay Travis
Yes. By the way, Caroline Levitt has begun a White House press briefing. We will monitor that. Talking about the winter storm and the situation in Minneapolis. I'm sure that there will be a lot of fireworks. Probably some questions that we will play for you and statements. Just FYI, we are monitoring that in real time. They are covering it at Fox News and CNN, MSNBC, Ms. now, not covering it at all, as is typically their decision. Winter storm affecting tens of millions out over the Atlantic for the most part. But, Buck, I got a bunch of messages from our listeners, including one. I want to pull this up and make sure that I get it right. That was super interesting that one of our. One of our listeners said, hey, I was unable to get in touch with my with my daughter but for the fact that she was in, she was in Oxford, Mississippi, where the Ole Miss is, where it has been really, really brutal in terms of the ice and all the loss of power. And he said the only way he could get in touch with his daughter was rapid radios. He, they had bought one of these just in case something awful happened, just in case there was some sort of calamity when it came to the weather. And he wanted to be able to get in touch with his daughter. And the only way he could get in touch with her, her cell phone wasn't working. Phones in the dorms were out was rapid radios. And he sent me a message and said thank you. This is exactly why we got them. And maybe some of you are thinking about that right now. Hundreds of thousands of homes in Nashville, my home city, out my mother in law, she came to stay with us. She didn't have power. I got a friend working right now in my studio that doesn't have any power with his family. You can check out right now. Rapidradios.com take care of your family. In times of crisis like this winter storm, you want to be able to get in touch with everybody. Powers out cell phone networks down, you can get in touch with Rapid Radios trusted by hundreds of thousands of customers backed by over 15,000 five star reviews. Go to rapidradios.com today. Elevate your connection, your experience. Rapidradios.com Stories of freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all each day. Spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Birch Gold Group welcome back in. We've got a lot of great calls. I'm going to get to them at the bottom of the hour as we unpack what happened over the course of the weekend. Caroline Levitt addressing the media right now, taking questions. First press briefing since the shooting. The latest shooting in Minneapolis. We will run on that, roll on that, get you the absolute latest in the meantime, if you need energy in your life, maybe you've been out shoveling snow, maybe you've been chasing the grandkids or the kids around over the weekend and Monday comes and you're just thinking to yourself, oh my God. Goodness, are you kidding me? This was a big weekend. I am taking got no energy. Testosterone is the natural fuel of the male body. And if you want to get hooked up, chalk can hook you up in a big way. If you go to choq.com and use code Clay as the promo code Chocolate pack a free $99 bag of chocolate powder with your first delivery. Again, if your new Year's resolution, get stronger, have more energy, be in better shape. Testosterone can make a huge difference for you with chalk lit powder. That's che.com my name Clay. Start your year off strong, focused and energized with chalk run by our friend Seton, a great patriot from Texas. You don't want to have Joe Biden like energy. Have Trump energy@chalk.com that's ch q.com code clay. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show. Caroline Levitt conducting a White House press briefing as we are speaking to all of you. We've got a couple of cuts from her that we are going to be playing on this program shortly. But a lot of you wanting to weigh in from across the country over the shooting and the videos out there of the shooting as we are reacting to the situation in Minneapolis. Let's see. I actually want to go to a couple of different opinions. Go figure. Let's start with Mick in South Carolina. Mick, you say you are a use of force expert, former trooper. What was your take based on the evidence that you have seen?
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Caller/Expert
Well, first, what I would say, and you're an attorney, you know, the video doesn't tell the whole scenario. You have to look at all the evidence, the officer statements, the policies and procedures of, of the, of the agents as well as you apply the federal law. And then you render an opinion based on those facts. People jump to conclusions and it's, it's an emotional situation. But when you look at it, just the video, yes, man had a firearm. Apparently he was disarmed and apparently it appeared that the agents discharged after he.
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Buck Sexton
Was.
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Caller/Expert
Disarmed, not meaning he didn't have another firearm. But what you have to look at when you use deadly force, you have to say what was the threat at the time you instituted deadly force and you made that decision based on what that individual did for you to be in fear for your life, to utilize deadly force and was it objectively reasonable or was not? And why you look at the time the force was used based on what that individual did at the time the officer is discharged. And that's what needs to be looked at and analyzed and not just jump to conclusions based on the video, because again, it does not tell the entire story.
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Clay Travis
Thank you. Let's go to Rob in Roseville, Michigan. Firearms instructor Rob, you say for 50 plus years. What do you think based on the evidence that you have seen so far?
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Caller/Expert
And I just, I just got home, so I'm going through this at very slow speed. There is a question whether or not he was disarmed, as I'm looking at it right now, but it appears that he was disarmed before he was shot, which makes it really a very questionable shooting.
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Clay Travis
Now, yes, sorry to cut you off, but you would have to go into whether. Sorry, Rob. Whether the man who fired knew that he was disarmed. Because that's what we're talking about. Because if this firearm discharged and they say gun, he may or may not in that moment have been aware that this individual was, was disarmed. Just kind of characterizing more of the details, but continue.
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Caller/Expert
Of all the officers I've ever trained to shoot, when you do something in a situation like that, because I disarmed people before and I'm not an officer, but I've trained a lot of officers, but I've been in a lot of, been in my share of shooting situations. When I disarm somebody, I make sure everybody around me knows that I disarmed him. Yeah, okay. No, I cannot envision this officer disarming him and not saying so. I, I still want to go through these videos at a quarter speed and see just exactly this officer that turns around, that has the gun in his, that has a gun in his hand. Is that his gun or is that this man's gun? The other problem I have is that this man is on the ground with his hands under his head, even if he's got his gun on his side, which he has every right to have, period. That's the thing that officers don't understand. Just because you have a firearm does not make you a danger. Okay? Why was he shot if his hands weren't anywhere near his firearm? I mean, from the Daniel Shaver incident where they forced this man to get up and walk backwards on his knees while his legs were crossed doing these circus tricks, when all they had to do after they got him laid down at the end of the hall, I.
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Buck Sexton
Just to jump in I actually wrote years ago a piece that went viral on the Daniel. To me, the Daniel Shaver incident. I know it very well. I went through all that video was. Was clearly a murder and it's one.
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Clay Travis
Of the worst officer shootings of all time.
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Buck Sexton
It was charged as a murder, but the jury did not find him guilty of murder, which was absolutely appalling. But yeah, that video and the way that went down was. Was really haunting and horrible. Thank you for calling in. Look, I. I think that we're all pretty clear here that this is a. This is a to be determined fact. Still coming in situation on what went down here. We've been talking about the lead up to it, the environment, the totally unnecessary reality of people doing this kind of stuff to ice. That's all clear. That's beyond dispute what happened in this specific incident. We have to see all the body camera footage, see exactly what happened and get into some of this VIP email from Edward. He says, Guys, Navy Chief 5 deployment dirt sailor. What's a dirt sailor? I don't know what that is. Do you know what that is? I don't know what that is.
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Caller/Expert
No.
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Buck Sexton
I got in. My Navy in laws are going to be like, what's wrong with you? How can you not know what a dirt sailor is? Anyway, Clay said an officer possibly panicked. No, the officer reacted. Secondly, there's no such thing as an accidental discharge. Proper terminology is negligent. Negligent discharge chairs. Well, Mr. Edward, you are kind of correct and kind of not correct, actually what I was referring to like for example, when I was on a rage and someone. Someone let one fly. That was a negligent discharge. Yes. If you pull the trigger, you're not supposed to. That's a negligent discharge. An accidental discharge. And you can even check the NRA terminology on this. They keep it a glossary of like, you know, gun terminology just to kind of have a one place, one stop shop. An accidental discharge would be something that for example, is a mechanical failure of the gun, not user error. Now it's very rare. It does happen. It is possible though, right? It is possible that there is a. And so the. It's a Sig 320. I'm just gonna. People have written about this now. It's a Sig 320 that the guy had, not the 365X which I actually used to own one. Which is a great gun. I love it. I love a lot of SIG guns. The SIG320. People get all uptight about whether or not it Is this is real or not? Does it have ads? But an accidental discharge, per the NRA terminology, is a mechanical malfunction of the firearm itself, not due to user error. Is it a very, very rare phenomenon? Yes, but it does exist as a term. But negligent discharge is far more common. This is a little bit clear. Like hang fire versus misfire.
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Caller/Expert
Right?
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Buck Sexton
Hang fire, misfire is bad. That's when you pull the trigger and nothing happens. But at least nothing happens. Hang fire is very dangerous on a range. It's when you pull and nothing happens and then it fires.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
Which can also happen. And that's something where people sometimes will pull and then they forget that they got a gun on their hands and, you know, bad things happen. So, yeah, the terms, we got a lot of terms here. VIP email from. What do you want? What do you want to do, Michelle? Those officers don't have the luxury of hindsight or slow motion replay. They can't wait to make a decision. Why is no one considering that? Well, Clay, I think we could tell Michelle, we very much are considering that.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
I don't think we're Monday morning quarterbacking at all here. I think we're saying we got to get all the facts in and we, you know, we have to be just fair and accurate about the situation. The, the Renee, Renee Good thing was not. That was not complicated in terms of the officers acted lawfully based on the fact that she hit one with her car. You can't do that. You can't run a car, you can't run an officer over or attempt to run an officer over and expect that nothing's going to happen. This situation is, is certainly less clear. And this could end up being a, a bad shoot or I don't know if we call it. The guy said clean shoot, clean versus.
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Clay Travis
I've always heard bad and good from a legal perspective and not that you want to shoot someone, but legally a good shoot is something that is legal. A bad shoot, that is something that's not legal.
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Buck Sexton
I mean lawful and unlawful. Probably the most accurate way to describe it, you know.
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Clay Travis
So, yeah, the way that I would analyze this is what Caroline Levitt just said. Question. Does the president believe the killing was a mistake? Immediately after the Renee Good shooting, everybody lined up and said, and then the video comes out. And most people out there, I think, believe it's a tragedy, but that the shooting was justified based on the behavior of Renee Good. The president said it. Here's cut 32. Caroline Levitt was just asked, does the president believe the killing was a mistake. Cut 32.
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Does the president believe that the killing, though, was a mistake?
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Buck Sexton
Has he expressed that at all?
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Clay Travis
Again, the president has said, you know, we have to review it and their.
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Buck Sexton
Invest this investigation needs to continue.
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Clay Travis
And he's letting the facts on the investigation lead itself. Okay, I think that's the right response from the president. Let the investigation take place. Here's Caroline Levitt, Buck as well, reminding Americans the reason why this entire situation exists, and I do think this is of paramount importance, is because Biden let so many illegals in during his term in office. Cut 31. Former President Joe Biden and the Democrats opened America's borders for four years, inviting.
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Tens of millions of illegal aliens from.
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All over the world to flood into our country.
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Among them, violent criminals who terrorized American.
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Communities and have inflicted devastating, permanent pain and harm on law abiding Americans and their families. Yet we never.
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Buck Sexton
I think we lost it.
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Clay Travis
I think we lost that cut as we were playing it. And we'll come back. We're monitoring in real time. I'm sending a bunch of clips as we are doing the show to our team to make sure that we've got all of the real time reactions, variety of different stories that are out there. Let's get this in. Jerry's been waiting for a minute. Jerry, St. Paul, Minnesota what do you think of what's going on basically in the Twin Cities there?
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Caller/Expert
It's a different world. It's, it's cold. But give your guy who manages your calls a raise because it's been a, he's got a difficult job.
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Clay Travis
So Greg does a good job fielding as many calls as he can. A lot of passionate people calling in. Sometimes people aren't even very nice to Greg and they're just angry at either Buck or me. So remember, Greg didn't say it Buck or me. I just said great.
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Buck Sexton
Part of Greg's job is it's always Greg's fault when people call it. That's right. It's not my fault or Clay's fault.
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Caller/Expert
Well, I'm an extreme minority in the Twin Cities and that both my wife and I are staunch Republicans and staunch Trump fans and all that. But I've got, I've got a warning to myself and to all of the gop. I've had dinners the last two Saturday nights with longtime friends who we'd probably call them old time, typical Democrats. They are so angry. You cannot argue. I use Caroline Blevitt's conversation point. Well, let's go back to where this problem started from. It goes Nowhere, you know, we, the GOP can be right on so many issues and the other side can be so vile. But it's like driving your car through an intersection. You can be right, but if you get plowed into by somebody, you could be right, but you could be dead right. And we, I'm very afraid, are in danger. The GOP of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. We should thank you winning this next election. And man, we have to have a monster, monster, monster turnout because the other side is fired up and it's not good news for us.
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Clay Travis
Thank you for the call. I do think politically they have been trying to turn Americans against ICE and against President Trump's deportation policies. Their big loser buck, as you well know, is on the border. And so this is why their goal has been to find someone who is a victim that they believe is innocent and turn it into the story as opposed to what's going on. I would also point this out. Minneapolis did not get super aggressive against ICE until all the fraud story came out and Tim Walls announced he wasn't going to run. I do think there is an element of trying to turn the story away from the massive fraud, the Somali, all those issues into ICE is the bad guy. That seems quite intentional to me.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, it's 100% a tip of the iceberg situation. There's so much more under there and they want to move away from it very quickly. And one of the, one of the problems with financial frauds in general, Clay, they're time intensive. And so you need people who have the access and who have the mandate to go in and to look at all the numbers and to pull the bank statements and everything else. If the people in charge don't want that to happen, guess what? It doesn't happen. So. And if there's no political pressure, if there's no outrage, all of a sudden, getting away with billions and billions of dollars of fraud doesn't seem all that complicated. All right. The tunnel. The Towers foundation honors America's heroes and their families when tragedy strikes. Heroes like Scott Abrams. For more than three decades, Scott served his community and country as a United States Marine, a New York City police detective, and a volunteer firefighter. While he was on his NYPD motorcycle escorting the funeral procession of a four year old child, his life changed in an instant. Scott was hit by a bus, crushing four vertebrae in his neck and leaving him partially paralyzed. Scott's recovery was grueling, but through unwavering love, strength and perseverance, Scott, his wife Tara, and their son Joshua made it through unimaginable challenges. Tunnelta Towers honored Scott and his family with a mortgage free smart home. Thanks to supporters like you, Scott now has a home he can move freely in as he heals and raises his family with dignity. More heroes are waiting and in need of assistance. Honor their sacrifices. Now. Join us in donating $11 a month to tunnel to towers2t.org that's tthenumber2t.org Two guys walk up to a mic.
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Clay Travis
Hey guys, this is Allison from la. I just want to say that Buck's review of Titanic was, was absolutely epic and just really got to the heart.
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Buck Sexton
Of the matter and he needs to redo his sinners review. Just one sentence.
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Clay Travis
One sentence that that gets into the specifics of what was wrong with the film. Oh, I don't think you can distill it to just one sentence like you hated every fabric of the film.
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Buck Sexton
Every single thing in that movie. I thought was terrible.
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Clay Travis
Every.
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Buck Sexton
There is nothing in the movie that I thought was good. I thought all of it was terrible.
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Clay Travis
Nothing redeemable.
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Buck Sexton
Nothing. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. I mean, here's, here's a this if you google on sinners, if you go on sinners, what is the underlying message of sinners? I am reading this quote to you. The vampires represent white people, or whiteness as parasitic entities that drain life, culture and vitality from black communities. That's accurate, by the way, as in what this movie depicts.
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Clay Travis
It's horrible.
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Buck Sexton
This is the worst garbage movie. It's really, in a lot of ways the most racist movie I've ever seen. I'm just gonna say that it's like the most racist movie ever is. You know, it's like the evil white people trying to steal all the. The cool. Like the black guys are just having a picture party with great music and they're trying to be vampires on them.
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Clay Travis
It's crazy.
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