Hour 2 - Miranda Devine on the Biden Brand Decline

Summary

Summary of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" – Hour 2: Miranda Devine on the Biden Brand Decline

Release Date: March 19, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Guest: Miranda Devine
Podcast Information: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show tackles the biggest stories in news, politics, and current events with intelligence and humor. Hosts Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with engaging conversations and opinions.

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1. Introduction of Miranda Devine

• Timestamp [00:31]: Buck Sexton welcomes Miranda Devine, highlighting her credentials, including her books Laptop From Hell and The Big Guy, her column in the New York Post, and her investigative work on the Secret Service's involvement with the Biden family.

2. IRS Whistleblowers Investigating Hunter Biden

• Timestamp [01:14]: Buck introduces the topic of IRS whistleblowers Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler, who have been investigating Hunter Biden's tax affairs.

• Timestamp [01:30]: Miranda Devine explains that these whistleblowers faced ostracization but received promotions under the Trump administration. Treasury Secretary Scott Besant promoted them to senior advisory roles to reform the IRS, with plans to place them in senior leadership positions within the agency after a year.

  "This is absolutely fantastic news and really, I think the first vindication that we've seen in the Trump administration of these valiant whistleblowers." – Miranda Devine [01:20]

3. Hunter Biden's Security Detail and Activities

• Timestamp [02:41] - [04:50]: Clay and Buck express astonishment at the extensive Secret Service protection afforded to Hunter Biden despite his questionable activities, including his luxurious vacations and lack of substantial employment.

• Timestamp [04:56] - [05:34]: Miranda details Hunter Biden's travels, particularly his 90-day stay in Cape Town, South Africa, and criticizes his lack of legitimate employment, labeling his endeavors as leveraging his father's name for personal gain.

  "He's just grifted off his father's name." – Miranda Devine [04:59]

4. Decline of the Biden Brand

• Timestamp [05:34] - [07:41]: The discussion shifts to the declining reputation of the Biden family, focusing on Hunter Biden's failed ventures, such as his oil paintings and books, which have not met commercial success. Miranda attributes this decline to a loss of protection following the Trump administration's crackdowns.

  "He can't sell his paintings, no one's buying his awful book." – Miranda Devine [05:52]

5. Impact of Miranda Devine's Journalism

• Timestamp [07:41] - [09:06]: Clay praises Miranda's investigative journalism, particularly her reporting on Hunter Biden's Secret Service detail, which led to direct action from the Trump administration to reduce unnecessary protection for the Biden family members.

  "Donald Trump said… he then pulled not only the 18 agents that were with Hunter Biden in Cape Town, but also 13 agents he said were assigned to Ashley Biden." – Miranda Devine [09:06]

6. Personal Anecdotes and Upcoming Events

• Timestamp [11:46] - [15:16]: The conversation becomes more casual, with Clay mentioning his upcoming trip to the NCAA wrestling tournaments on Air Force One with President Trump. Miranda shares her plans to attend the tournament with whistleblower Tony Bobulinski, expressing excitement about the event and their collaboration.

7. Discussion on Student Loan Forgiveness and Supreme Court

• Timestamp [17:18] - [22:05]: Listener Tom from Florida raises concerns about President Biden defying the Supreme Court on student loan forgiveness. Clay and Buck discuss Biden's strategy of attempting to redefine permissible actions regarding student loans, even when anticipating Supreme Court opposition.

  "What Biden kept doing was trying to redefine what was and was not permissible with student loans." – Clay Travis [17:37]

8. Critique of Democratic Party's Masculinity and Voter Base

• Timestamp [22:05] - [33:08]: The hosts delve into a critique of the Democratic Party's struggle with masculinity and its impact on voter dynamics. They analyze how figures like Tim Walls fail to resonate with the intended voter base, particularly white men in red states, and discuss the demographic shifts that have influenced recent elections.

  "If your Trump derangement is so significant that it overrides your commitment to the idea of climate change as an existential threat, it tells us that your foundational belief system is not actually predicated in any way on climate change." – Clay Travis [21:58]

9. Concluding Remarks and Final Thoughts

• Timestamp [33:08] - [35:42]: The conversation wraps up with Buck highlighting the Democratic Party's lack of clear leadership and message, emphasizing their reliance on a narrow voter base. Clay offers final thoughts on the importance of understanding voter dynamics and the implications for future political landscapes.

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Notable Quotes

• Miranda Devine on Whistleblowers' Vindication

  "This is absolutely fantastic news and really, I think the first vindication that we've seen in the Trump administration of these valiant whistleblowers."
  — Miranda Devine [01:20]

• Miranda Devine on Hunter Biden's Lack of Employment

  "He's just grifted off his father's name."
  — Miranda Devine [04:59]

• Clay Travis on Biden's Student Loan Strategy

  "What Biden kept doing was trying to redefine what was and was not permissible with student loans."
  — Clay Travis [17:37]

• Clay Travis on the Democratic Party's Masculinity Deficit

  "If your Trump derangement is so significant that it overrides your commitment to the idea of climate change as an existential threat, it tells us that your foundational belief system is not actually predicated in any way on climate change."
  — Clay Travis [21:58]

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Conclusion

In this episode, Miranda Devine provides a critical analysis of the ongoing investigations into Hunter Biden, highlighting the Trump administration's support for whistleblowers who challenged the Biden family's activities. The discussion extends to the extravagant security measures surrounding Hunter Biden, questioning the legitimacy and necessity of such protection. Furthermore, the conversation critiques the Democratic Party's struggle with defining masculinity and maintaining a cohesive voter base, especially among white men in red states. The hosts emphasize the broader implications of these dynamics on future political outcomes and the integrity of political institutions.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Second hour clay and Buck kicks off now. We are joined by our friend Miranda Devine. She has books like Laptop From Hell and the Big Guy. Got a great piece at the New York Post as well, where she's a columnist on the Secret Service situation with the Bidens, the the IRS whistleblowers. So much more to talk about. Miranda, thanks for being here. Let's start with this. The IRS whistleblowers who are the ones investigating Hunter Biden. And you were all over that story, as we know, and this audience will remember you from that. They were initially ostracized. They have gotten quite a promotion under Trump. Tell us what's going on here.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, hi, Claire and Buck, this is absolutely fantastic news and really, I think the first vindication that we've seen in the Trump administration of these valiant whistleblowers. There were a number of them who stuck their head up above the parapet to warn the American people about various malfeasances under Joe Biden. And these two guys are IRS investigators, Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler. They were the ones who kiboshed the Hunter Biden sweetheart deal on his tax crimes. And that was two years since they've been ostracized and retaliated against by their superiors in the irs. And so Scott Besant, the treasury secretary, has just jumped in, promoted both of them to important positions, first of all, as senior advisers in his office helping guide the reform of the irs. That's going to be pretty radical. And then after one year, they will go back into the agency in very senior leadership positions. And in fact, just today, Scott Bessant has said that Gary Shapley, who was the senior supervisory agent on the Hunter Biden case, he will be the deputy head of criminal investigations at the irs.

[Clay Travis]

There's a lot going on, Miranda. It's like every day I get you got to keep your head on a swivel. But even when it comes to crazy levels of insane corruption, were you blown away by how many people were protecting Hunter Biden. Because Buck and I, when we had this conversation on the show, I mean, I was in disbelief. To say nothing of the fact that he's going on luxurious vacations to South Africa while he's claiming poverty here in the United States. What? And I'm glad, by the way, that the Trump administration has pulled the protection of Hunter Biden. But even with the understanding of how much craziness and wasted funds there are in the federal government, did it astound you how big the security detail was for Hunter Biden?

[Miranda Devine]

Not really, because I have seen him, right. For instance, last summer when he was in court in Delaware, in Wilmington, over these gun felonies that he was convicted on. Every day he would arrive in a gigantic motorcade, you know, of black Secret Service Cadillacs with, you know, I don't know, it seemed like vast armies. Donald Trump has said there were 18 Secret Service agents with him in South Africa. That kind of makes sense because he has two agents assigned to him. His wife, Melissa Cohen, has two agents. So that's four. You've got three shifts of eight hours, so you're already up to 12. And then, you know, you've got to have extras because they can't be expected to work seven days a week. So it kind of makes sense that 18 agents would have flown over to South Africa. We told by Garrett Ziegler from Marco Polo, who's had a private eye following, following Hunter Biden because Hunter Biden suing him. And he wanted to find out if Hunter Biden was sort of flouting the court orders. And he, he, Garrett Ziegler has said that Hunter Biden is spending 90 days in Cape Town with his wife, Melissa.

[Clay Travis]

Cohen, who was born how many days?

[Miranda Devine]

93 months?

[Buck Sexton]

3.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, this is crazy, Buck.

[Miranda Devine]

And what's he having a vacation from? Because he never does anything. He's a proper job since he first left university. And he went and worked for one of his father's, you know, donors in Delaware, MNBA or mbna, which is a big credit card company that gave him a job on an inflated salary that he would not have had if he hadn't been Joe Biden's son. And he was bored with that, so he just walked away from it. And ever since, he's just grifted off his father's name.

[Buck Sexton]

How is the Biden brand doing for the grift these days? Miranda? We had a sad story that we had to bring to this audience that if any of our listeners had purchased a Hunter Biden oil painting, unfortunately, the value does not seem to have skyrocketed.

[Miranda Devine]

Yes, I know. It's funny, isn't it, how as soon as Joe Biden lost power, Hunter Biden suddenly broke. He can't sell his paintings, no one's buying his awful book. Funny about that. And they're not giving him jobs. Oligarchs are not offering him millions of dollars to do nothing. So he's now crying poor. And he told the court in California that he couldn' with his lawsuit against Garrett Ziegler and Marco Polo because he just didn't have the funds to pay his lawyer. Which sort of made sense because Abby Lowell is a pretty expensive lawyer who sort of marshaled all his court cases while Joe Biden was vice president. But after the pardon, he seemed to vanish from the scene. And I remember being in court one time and Abby Law was complaining bitterly about, you know, being short on resources. So. And that was after Kevin Morris, the sugar brother, the other lawyer from Hollywood had said that he was closing his wallet to Hunter after having funded his lifestyle for so many years and also paying off about $6 million in his tax debts to the IRS. So Kevin Morris has had enough. He's not spending any more money. And so Hunter had to pay for his own lawyers. So maybe he stopped paying them because they didn't show up in California. The, the judge, I think the court had sent out an apb and finally Abby Loll popped up and said, oh, I've always been working for Hunter Biden. But he had not, he had disappeared. So now he's back on the scene and you know, the money just ratchets up every hour that that guy gets paid. And Hunter Biden is saying he doesn't have the money, so maybe he doesn't.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Miranda Devine. I can't get over 90 day vacation to South Africa.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, don't get any ideas, Clay. No vacations on this show, sir.

[Clay Travis]

I, I just, he doesn't have an actual job. Like, what is he vacationing from? Like, this is like how many people get to go on a three month African safari? Basically from not having a job in the first place. Like, how does he need to, to be able to rest and rehabilitate? But I will say, how much difference is it for you, Miranda? And in just this world that we live in now to instead of when you're writing articles during the Biden administration, everyone says, oh, that's made up. Oh, that's not true. To when the New York Post article that you wrote about Hunter Biden's Secret Service detail following him to Africa. The Trump team reads it and they're like, yeah, that's over. We're pulling that. That has to feel amazing to be able to know that you're doing good investigative journalism. And not only is it being widely distributed through the New York Post, which I believe deserves all the Pulitzers that the, what New York Times and Washington Post actually got for Russia collusion for what you wrote about the Hunter Biden laptops. But how much better does it feel to know that. That, that whatever you produce can be acted upon and often will be acted upon by the White House?

[Miranda Devine]

Well, I just have to put in one caveat, that it wasn't really my investigative prowess that got this story. It was actually Garrett Ziegler, Marco Polo, with their private investigator who gave the photographs to Laura Looma, very kindly said that I could use them. So, you know, I didn't really do a hell of a lot myself other than I talked to or tried to get the White House to respond, and also the Department of Homeland Security and also the Secret Service. And I have to say, they all went to ground. They were not at all helpful. They sort of tried to gaslight me in the beginning. Finally, way past my deadline, the Secret Service spokesman gave me a quote that said, well, we can't go into methods and blah, blah, but we can confirm that Hunter Biden is a protectee. So I published that quote, published the story. There's outrage. Our reporters in Washington tried to get a question in at the White House press conference, but were not called upon. And then later that day, in a gaggle, I think at Air Force One, it was, I think a Washington Times reporter actually asked the President about the Hunter Biden 18 strong security secret Service detail in Cape Town. And Donald Trump said, I haven't heard that before, Which, I mean, maybe that's the case. He's very busy. And he said, Well, I mean, 18, that sounds excessive. And I'm going to look at that this afternoon. And sure enough, he then pulled not only the 18 agents that were with Hunter Biden in Cape town, but also 13 agents he said were assigned to Ashley Biden, who's Joe Biden's daughter, the only daughter he has with only child, with Jill Biden, Hunter Biden's half sister. And, you know, neither Ashley Biden nor Hunter Biden were eligible to have Secret Service protection after Joe Biden's term ended. It's only the children of former presidents up to the age of 16. So there was some, and apparently What I was told off the record was that Joe Biden made an executive memo before he left office to extend Secret Service protection for his adult children indefinitely. And nobody in the Trump administration had stepped in to stop that until Donald Trump did, until we amplified the work of Laura Loomer and Marco Polo.

[Clay Travis]

All right, I've got a question for you, Miranda. I don't know if you saw, but I'm going to be traveling on Air Force One with President Trump this weekend to go to the NCAA wrestling tournaments. Question for you. Oh, you're going to be there? You're going to be on the plane?

[Miranda Devine]

No, I'm not going to be on the plane, but I'm going to be at the tournament with Tony Bob Linsky, who's one of the other brilliant whistleblowers in the Hunter Biden case.

[Buck Sexton]

I didn't feel left out before, Miranda, but you play taking tequila shots while watching the NCAA wrestling. I might have to, like, hitch a ride or something.

[Clay Travis]

All right. Well, I've never met you in person, Miranda. I was going to ask you for. Well, I hope to see you on Saturday. Then I was going to ask you for advice. I bet you've been on Air Force One before. Should I know anything?

[Miranda Devine]

Yes, I went once about three weeks ago when I interviewed President Trump. Gosh, just the food is great. I don't know if you'll have enough time to have a meal. You the, the presidential suite at the front of the plane is plush and gorgeous, so I would just keep your eyes peeled. I didn't because I was so concentrating on my questions. But keep your eyes peeled for decor. I wish I'd done that. And get a photograph of yourself. Get the White House photographer to take a photo of you in his office, in Trump's office on Air Force One, interviewing him because that will be a memento for the ages.

[Clay Travis]

I can't wait. I'm so excited about getting to go on Air Force One. I mean, again, I just wanted to ask your advice. By the way, how do you think I'll be received by the White House press corps? Do you think they'll be fans?

[Miranda Devine]

Well, hopefully you won't be actually with them. They sort of are parked down the back of the plane and you probably will get to sit up closer where the staff are.

[Clay Travis]

So that would be much better.

[Miranda Devine]

And then you'll get like the first class service, the more comfortable seats, et cetera. Look, I think probably most of the reporters who are in the White House pool, I know we have our New York Post reporter, Stephen Nelson's been in that several times. I think most of them are just professionals who are trying to do their job. It's only occasionally you'll get someone like that NPR woman the other day who was so clumsy managing the boom mic that it basically crashed into Donald Trump's face and brushed across it. You know, I don't know whether that was deliberate or not. Who knows? But it was certainly clumsy. So I think there are a few real anti Trump people who are in that press pool, so hopefully on the day that you go, they won't be there.

[Clay Travis]

Fingers crossed. I'm looking forward to seeing you Saturday, by the way.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, me too. I hope. I hope we get a chance. I think there'll be a lot of people there, but Tony Bobulinski is an absolute legend. Penn State wrestling champion and obvious whistleblower champion against the Bidens. He was Hunter Biden's former business partner, and he really went all out during the campaign to campaign in Pennsylvania to get the whole Penn State team, wrestling team on board with Donald Trump, which they are. And so we're rooting for Penn State.

[Clay Travis]

Awesome. I can't wait. Miranda, keep up the killer work, and I hope to see you this weekend.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, you too. Thanks so much, guys.

[Clay Travis]

She's done such a good job.

[Buck Sexton]

She's fit, new. And Miranda get to hang out this weekend. You know, the. The Buckster getting left. Get left behind while you and Miranda are clinking the champagne glasses, flying around on the jet. I see how it is.

[Clay Travis]

I will say, Miranda, because you killed it at. What was that? The New York speech that you gave?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, no, no.

[Clay Travis]

But for Buck, like you.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

She texted me when you.

[Buck Sexton]

The Metropolitan Republic.

[Miranda Devine]

The.

[Buck Sexton]

The Buckster is fantastic at the live events. Just throwing that out there for any of you who are looking for a keynote. And I gave a speech, and she missed it. But then we hung out afterwards and carried.

[Clay Travis]

Well, she texted me and said, I heard Buck was great at his New York speech. I want to be able to hang out with him. And I was like, well, I got to get you guys on a text chain, and you guys just went out and party the night away.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, your boy Buck gets it done. No notes, no nothing throws down. That's how we do.

[Clay Travis]

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[Caller]

Big Biden forgave student loans. The Supreme Court told him he can't do it. He defied him and did it anyway. There was no consequence in why Trump won't refuses to defy any of these district court judges, which are nobody. And I can tell you that Roberts looks more like suited to me and Comey Barrett looks more like Sandra Day O'Connor to me. What's going on?

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so good questions. What Biden kept doing was trying to redefine what was and was not permissible with student loans. So he just kept trying to rewrite his student loan forgiveness plan so that it would marshal with Supreme Court precedent. That is that backdrop. But he also took cases regularly that he knew the Supreme Court was going to defy. Like for instance, Buck, if you remember when he was saying, hey, we're going to extend the moratorium on eviction. He knew it was not permissible. He did it anyway because he knew it would take months for the Supreme Court to overturn it.

[Buck Sexton]

All true. And now I find out from Clay that Tim Waltz thinks he can beat most of you guys listening to this in a fight.

[Clay Travis]

That's what he said.

[Buck Sexton]

We gotta just, we gotta discuss this. Those are fighting words. All of you. Tim Walsh Waltz thinks he can take you. We'll talk about it. There's a Compelling video online for you to see a conversation that contemplates a major disruption in the future of our economy. Look, I'm not wishing for this, but I want you to be prepared. And this is a prediction you need to see. And that prediction comes from my dad. This is his area of expertise, financial markets and how they affect everyday Americans. And I think you'll find it really beneficial. Growing up and until present day, my dad, Mason Sexton has made his living researching and predicting the stock market. When he's right with his predictions, he often is. It's beneficial to so many investors. To his credit, my dad created a name for himself on Wall street by his forecasts. Most notable one calling the crash of 87. Then again in 2009. You can see his prediction, his forecast for the future at this website. Disruption2025.com that's disruption2025.com video. Free to watch. Go check out his next big prediction for the market. Is it going to crash? You got to see for yourself. Disruption2025.com let's check in on the Democrats here for a moment. Things are still not going so well for them. Sad. Very sad. Exclamation point. Sad for Democrats. They have no leadership to speak of. They are floundering and they don't have any message. But they do have Tim Walls. They've got Tim Walsh for whatever that's worth. First off, let's start with this one. Clay. We discussed how there are all these Democrats now who are celebrating a downturn in the Tesla stock. Now, I understand you could say, well, that's just a private company. Why, why should that be any different? Well, because Tesla's doing more for the electric car market than any other company. And not just electric cars. Battery technology, self driving, it is a game changer of a company and it's just one of Elon's companies. If you pretend to care about climate change, the environment, etc. You should love Tesla. But no, not because Elon is too nice to Trump. Cut five here. Here's Tim Waltz being, being. Well, who he is. Play it.

[E]

I know some of you know this. On the iPhone they've got that little stock app. I added Tesla to it to give me a little boost during the day. 225 and dropping.

[Miranda Devine]

So.

[E]

And if you own one, if you own one, we're not blaming you. You can, you can take dental floss and pull the Tesla thing off, you know, and take out. Just telling you.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, Clay, he's an, he's a nimrod. I mean, truly, he's not. People in Minnesota who vote for him should feel bad about their decision making. Truly, they should be ashamed to have cast a vote for this. This absolutely. This abject imbecile. Also, Elon's the richest man in the world. Do lives just not. I know they complain about billionaires all the time. Do they really not understand Tesla could go bankrupt tomorrow? Elon has more money than he will ever know what to do with, just based on the other enormously profitable and well and, and, and valuable companies that he owns. So what do they even think they're celebrating here? That people are losing money on a great company that's all American? I mean, what, what is the. He's so dumb. He's just so dumb.

[Clay Travis]

He is really dumb. But I mean, to me, the. The essence of this buck is if you truly believe in climate change, and a lot of left wingers do, it is their foundational belief.

[Buck Sexton]

Existential threat. That is the phrase. Obama used it, Biden used it, meaning it will make us go extinct.

[Clay Travis]

If that is your calling card, if that is your North Star, I think it's fair to say no one has ever done more to fight climate change from a capitalistic perspective in the history of the world than Elon Musk. So whether it's solar power, whether it is the. With solar power company that he has, and obviously with Tesla. So what you're saying is your Trump derangement is so significant that it overrides your commitment to the idea of climate change as an existential threat. So really what it tells us is your North Star, your foundational belief system is not actually predicated in any way on climate change. It's just being anti anything Trump or anything connected to Trump, such that you will destroy your actual foundational belief, which is rooting for the failure of Tesla if in some way it harms someone who is willing to work to try to help Trump be an effective president. That's really what this is all about. And I think it's pretty staggering, extraordinary and even for Democrats, off the charts hypocritical. Now, that wasn't all Tim Walsh said. He went on with Gavin Newsom and said that he could kick your ass if you are a Trump supporter. Listen, I know it's.

[Buck Sexton]

And, well, this, this.

[E]

I think I could kick most of their ass.

[Clay Travis]

I do want to do.

[E]

I know I can run them, but I don't know if we're going to fall into that place where we want to. Okay, we challenge you to a, do a, you know, A WWE fight here type of thing.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay. Tim Walls could beat most of you listening in a pie eating contest. I don't think he could beat you in a fight. Okay. This guy is. There's nothing tough about Tim Walls.

[Clay Travis]

Would you box Tim Walls?

[Buck Sexton]

What? I clay. I would annihilate Tim Walls.

[Clay Travis]

I. I think I would. I think I would annihilate.

[Buck Sexton]

It would not. It would not. It would not be. I mean, he's an old man, but like Tim Walls in his prime, I would annihilate too. He had no shot.

[Clay Travis]

So is. So this is. First of all, I think if we eliminate women, and I think some of the women out there could kick Tim Walls his ass. But let's eliminate women Trump voters. Let's take him at his word. Do you think Tim walls could beat 50.1% of Trump voters? Asses. The only way I could see this working is if he's only fighting like 85 year olds. If you limit it to people within 10 years of his age. So you could be. You and I would be out of that categorization. But basically it would be, you know, people who are 50 to 70. I think most average 50 to 70 year olds who voted for Trump would beat up Tim Walls if we actually.

[Buck Sexton]

I will say this. I think that's true. I will say this, though. It is true across the board that men. This is true of all of us. And I think Rogan made this point at some point on his podcast not too long ago. The one area where all men most dramatically overestimate their ability is if they. If they had to fight. If they had to fight. And the one thing about doing a little bit of fight training, like I've done a little bit of fight training, is you learn very quickly somebody who's actually trained. Yeah, you are. You are absolutely toast. Like, you have no shot. Like, you think I'm just gonna get so fired up, it's gonna be like in the movies. No, you're gonna be on the ground, you're gonna not know what happened, and you're gonna have a concussion. Like, that's actually the way it goes. I mean, I've been, I've been in a boxing ring with somebody who was way better than me. It is not fun. You feel bad about yourself afterwards, you have a bloody lip and you know, it's not fun. Right. So these are things that we all. We don't like to think about this very much. But also, if you're Tim Walls and you want to be the next president of the United States. You're the governor of a state. Like, why be. Like, why even get into this? That's the real thing here is I could kick their asses. Like, that's such a lame thing to say. Why go there? And I think it's because all the jazz hands jokes that were made on shows like this one bothered him.

[Clay Travis]

I would box Tim Walls. I would do it. Here's the problem. I've got Buck. What if I lost? I think I would have to retire from media. Like, the risk reward of me boxing Tim walls is I'm 45. If I beat him, people would be like, yeah, you beat him because you're 15 years younger and you actually have functional testosterone and you don't actually do jazz hands or leg kicks for fun. What if he caught me with a punch and I lost? I think I would have to retire from media. Like, I, I don't think, I don't think I could ever continue to work in media. So the risk reward here is high. But I would still box him, I think, because if I, if I lost, I would just pull a Hunter Biden and go on, you know, six month vacations for the rest of the world. You wouldn't be able to find me anywhere. And. But I do think your point on this one, I think what they're trying to do is they recognize that there are virtually no masculine men in the Democrat party. And you know what usually happens when somebody's not actually masculine? You're, you're good at pointing this out. And I've noticed it too. Like, most Navy SEALs don't walk around like, trying to pick fights with people. Like, they know that they are badasses. Like, they don't feel need to walk into a bar and bump into somebody to prove that they can kick their ass. They know it because they're trained in it. Right? The guy who is actually the least masculine is always trying to overplay his masculinity. Does that make sense? And I think that's what's going on here with Tim Walls is, I think you're right. The insecurity is actually now coming through on an aggressive level. I mean, if you're, if you're, this is my opinion, if you are fighting someone and it's not for your profession, you know, like, you're a, in the military, you're ufc, you're a boxer or whatever, and you are over the age of like 25. You need to look in the mirror and seriously. And your own life is not in danger. Your family's life is not like if you get an actual fist fight over the age of 25, as my opinion, you need to look in the mirror and be like, what. What is going on in my life that I'm getting in fist fights at an advanced age? Right. 25 plus, you probably got something going on, right? Like the guy who picks fights at the bar is not a healthy dude. And I feel like Tim Walls in saying, oh, I could kick people from Trump voters asses. First of all, you can't. But secondly, it just feels desperate to me. And this is the math. This was the guy who was supposed to deliver men for the Democrat party.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is where I think the humiliation comes in. Is that. And why this is even something that is on his mind. You know, the idea that Tim Wallace was going to appeal, let's really just say what it is. They thought that Tim Walls, by walking around in a Carhartt jacket and holding a shotgun like it was his first time ever doing it, was going to get, you know, men who live in primarily red states.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Although, you know, this, that's. This is. We're making generalizations here, right? This is supposed to be about generalizations. Men who live in red states who maybe work with their hands in some capacity to earn a living, have calluses on their hands, wear Carhartt not as some kind of a showpiece, but because that's the clothing and I know cards apparently kind of expensive, but you know, some kind of workman's jacket and everything else. They thought that Tim Walls was going to be able to be the. I got a beer and a shotgun and, and I like hunting too, you know, and everyone was like, no, actually Tim Walls looks like a guy who claps feverishly for the next opening night of Hamilton. Like, he just doesn't come across. And part of this is I think the left wing, sort of the left wing identity now, which has become very anti male and anti masculine.

[Clay Travis]

Tim Walls is a lesbian's idea of a man that would appeal to straight men. And when you really think about it, that is actually like, Tim Walls looks like the kind of guy that a lesbian would like. And I don't mean actual lesbian sexually. Like, I mean, they think, oh, that's a man. And it didn't work. And that actually kind of defines the way that women who run the Democrat party see men.

[Buck Sexton]

The analysis on these 555 stations is unique. Sometimes Clay, I didn't think about it.

[Clay Travis]

If you were like, hey, what kind of person picks Tim Walls to be the avatar of Democrat Masculinity to appeal to men in red states that Tim Walls is who a lesbian would pick. No offense to lesbians. I love you all there out there listening. Been a long fan of your work, but in general, I don't know that lesbians really kind of plug into the heterosexual male landscape very well.

[Buck Sexton]

And I still think the Democrats have absolutely have absolutely no idea of how to deal with their masculinity deficit. And I think it was our friend Ryan Graduski who shares the who you know, has the podcast A Numbers Game which is on the Clay and Buck network. Highly recommend it. I think that he showed the numbers recently Clay that the difference in this election, and I had said this for a long the difference in election was actually the white vote. Once again, the actual difference in the aggregate numbers was the the change. Here, I'll, I'll, I'll find this for you.

[Clay Travis]

I thought that Kamala actually did better with white voters in 2024 than Biden did and that like was up minimally, maybe not in the battleground states, but that Trump continued to surge in Hispanic, Asian, black. We'll talk about.

[Buck Sexton]

Here you go, Ryan. It's also fascinating that Biden's win was entirely based on a shift in white voters, despite the narrative that it was a coalition of non whites standing up to white supremacy. Sorry. So the Biden election was about where white voters, to clarify where, you know, the white vote determined that election. Actually this time around there was a shift because this was in response to white voters didn't shift at all in their voting preferences from 2016 to 2024, while non white voters. Your point all shifted to the Republican side.

[Clay Travis]

So the Democrat Party. We'll talk about this maybe in the third hour because the data out there is pretty staggering. The Democrat Party are effectively the party of white college educated women. Yeah, almost no one else supports him.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what this is. That's the key point from, from the data here that Ryan was making, which is that they wanted to, they wanted to act like 2020 was the minorities and the oppressed standing up against Trump. No, it was actually just a lot of white college educated voters. And this time around the only movement was in minority voters who went to Trump.

[Clay Travis]

That's right. Which created and again, it should be a bigger story than it is the most racially Diverse win in 60 years in an American presidential election. That is the least racially divisive win in the history of the last 60 years since the civil rights movement was Trump November 5th. Tensions are high again in Israel with the ceasefire broken, missile attacks aimed in Israel's direction. You know, Israel surrounded by enemies on all sides. Peace has been fragile in that region of the world, which is why the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has supported and will continue to support the people of Israel with life saving security essentials. Your gift today will help save lives by providing bomb shelters, armored security vehicles, ambulances, firefighting equipment, black jackets, bulletproof vests, so much more. Your generous donation, in fact, will help ensure the people of Israel are safe and secure in the days to come. Give a gift to bless Israel and her people by visiting supportifcj.org that's one word. Supportifcj.org you can also call 888-488ifcj. That's 888-488ifcj. Want to be in the know when you're on The Go the Team 47 podcast Trump highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show Go buy your Crockett Coffee. We're talking about supporting companies that you love and Crockett Coffee is one of them. Go to crockettcoffee.com use code book. You'll get an autograph copy of my book. My assistant Katie has been feverishly sending out signed copies of the book. I've got to make some new signatures here when we finish the shows today. And we appreciate all of you supporting crockettcoffee.com you know, I was mentioning Buck had it stricken from the record. So if you don't see it in the transcript, it's because he realized the better for this, but that Costco is actually super woke. They're staying committed to DEI and things like that.

[Buck Sexton]

And I didn't know about that until this audience told me. And it's very, that's very disappointing.

[Clay Travis]

I agree. Off air I said one of the lessons I think of the Bud Light disaster is if your product is really, really good, like use Chick Fil? A as an example, people are going to keep consuming it no matter what. The politics, by and large of the company is like Chick Fil A closed on Sunday. They are a religious fast food restaurant.

[Buck Sexton]

If you have a truly superior product, you can get away with a lot more. People drank Bud Light because of the brand it had built as American. It was marketing over decades. They didn't really, I know, sorry not to offend anybody. They didn't really drink it because they thought it was the best tasting beer. Clay, we have a call that we speak offending people. We need to take this call. Can in Michigan. Canon, Michigan is a retired baker who wants to weigh in on cobbler gate.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah.

[F]

As someone that was working in bakeries for my career, someone that did go to culinary school, it was just the general opinion that cobblers were made by people who couldn't bake. They lacked the skill to make a really good pie crust, and so they ended up making the cobbler. And that was. That was just the general opinion of the students and the teachers that I hung out with. And Ken.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, Ken, you are clearly an artisan and a great American and a great baker. Thank you, sir.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, who is fielding calls here? Ken is a blasphemer. I don't remember the last time we had a worse call in the history of the show than Ken. Off the top rope on cobbler makers can't actually cook. That's a no.

[Buck Sexton]

Can't make pie. He said they can't make pie crust. Come on. I'm just.

[Clay Travis]

Cobbler is superior to the pie. I'm not anti your apple pies. Nobody loves apple pies and American flags more than me, but cobbler is far better. Apple cobbler better than apple pie. I'll go to my grave on this. Famous smoke's been offering the best selection of premium cigars at the best prices for 85 years. And somehow they're still the best kept secret. Family owned and stocked with millions of cigars, all delivered fast and fresh to your door. Go online to famoussmoke.com and use code CLAY. For 20 bucks off your order of $99 or more, get your favorite brands like Fuente, Romeo, Monte Cristo and Cohiba. Or try something new. Get the best cigars at better prices than your local shop, famousmoke. Com Promo code Clay.