Hour 2 - On the Ground in Minneapolis

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 – On the Ground in Minneapolis
Date: January 9, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the unfolding protests in Minneapolis following a controversial police-involved shooting during an ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) operation. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton bring on-the-ground insights with guest Breca Stoll, a Daily Wire reporter actively covering the protests. The hosts dissect new video evidence, offer first-hand protester perspectives, discuss the roles of media, business, and political leadership, and sprinkle in their signature humor with food debates and listener calls.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Breaking News: ICE Shooting Video Surfaces

Timestamp: 01:58–03:34

• Clay Travis announces that bodycam-like footage from the perspective of the ICE agent involved in the Minneapolis shooting has been released by Alpha News, a Minnesota-based outlet.
  • “I believe it makes it quite clear that she was there to be an antagonist ... trying to obstruct the ICE agents from doing their job.” (01:58–02:55)
• Buck Sexton asserts that the woman shot was actively obstructing ICE, which is illegal, drawing a parallel to previous cases of interference with federal law enforcement.
  • “You do not have the right to do this. She was in the wrong. ... I watched the video. It’s a clean shoot.” (03:16–03:34)

2. On-the-Ground Report: Breca Stoll in Minneapolis

Timestamp: 03:34–13:55

Protester Reactions and Misinformation

• Breca describes a “delayed reaction” among protesters to the new video, emphasizing their unwavering belief the ICE officer was at fault, regardless of evidence.
  • “They are very firm in their beliefs that ICE did something wrong ... I don’t think they’re willing to listen to really any evidence or anything that another side ... has to deliver.” (04:09–04:52)
• She notes protesters are filming events for social media (notably TikTok), often antagonizing officers and creating viral moments intended to discredit ICE.
  • “It’s so interesting to me that ... you just think you’re so entitled to be there and filming everything ... trying to make a viral video ... it’s incredibly distracting ... and dangerous.” (05:06–06:29)

Protester Typology and Motivations

• Breca breaks down three types of protesters:
  • Brainwashed: Sincerely believe in the narrative of racial oppression (ex. an interviewee lamenting her own “white tears” at the scene).
    • “She’s been brainwashed to think that she should not be at another scene of another white woman’s death because she’s white.” (07:08–07:47)
  • Scary: Verbally aggressive, hurling insults and potentially prone to violence.
    • “...the ones who yell insults at law enforcement ... ‘you guys are terrorists, go kill yourself’ ... This is where you might see something like the George Floyd riots.” (08:02–08:39)
  • Paid/Organized: Some appear to be participating because of organizational or financial incentives.
    • “I heard a woman yesterday talk about how we hit the goal time ... We don’t need to be here anymore.” (08:49–09:20)

Protest Dynamics and Business Responses

• Turnout fluctuates (5,000–6,000 at peak, quieter after a gubernatorial plea for calm and a moment of silence).
• Minneapolis McDonald’s posted a “No ICE allowed” sign, which Breca discovered was apparently unauthorized by corporate, likely put there by a local employee or manager. McDonald’s corporate quickly clarified ICE is welcome in their stores.
  • “You see McDonald’s actively through their comment ... saying that this is not okay and obviously ICE would be allowed in our stores.” (13:11–13:37)

3. Law Enforcement Perspective: Analyzing the Shooting Video

Timestamp: 23:15–29:16

• Clay and Buck discuss the authenticity of the Alpha News video, agreeing it is real and pivotal.
  • “You and I are not experts by any stretch of the imagination ... But you have spent a lot of time training on simplified good shoot, bad shoot.” (23:39–24:42)
• Buck, drawing on his law enforcement and concealed-carry training, details what constitutes a “clean shoot” (lawful, justified) in both civilian and police contexts.
  • “You have a right to self-defense that is innate ... This video to me proves beyond any reasonable doubt the officer was acting in a lawful capacity ... is hit by a car that is clearly used as a weapon.” (25:12–29:16)

4. Media, Politics, and Narrative Control

Timestamp: 29:16–35:05

• Clay breaks down the key details of the ICE encounter as seen in the video:
  • The woman was urged by her partner to “Drive, baby, drive,” indicating intentionality.
  • She made eye contact with the ICE agent before accelerating.
  • The narrative of the officer as a "murderer" is refuted by video evidence.
    • “She is looking directly at him when she accelerates ... This video completely refutes that.” (29:16–32:31)
• Buck points out that body cameras often exonerate law enforcement, contrary to initial media narrative.
  • “Body cams basically defeated BLM. ... It actually shows how much Democrat voters are lunatics and the cops are doing an amazing job.” (35:05–35:52)

5. Broader Social Commentary

Timestamp: 34:27–35:05

• Clay addresses the culture of provocation and recording law enforcement to capture “viral moments,” arguing it only serves to undermine legitimate law enforcement and public safety.

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Notable Quotes

• Buck Sexton, on justified use of force:

  “You have a right to self-defense that is innate ... This video to me proves beyond any reasonable doubt the officer was acting in a lawful capacity ... is hit by a car that is clearly used as a weapon.”
  (25:12–29:16)

• Breca Stoll, on protester psychology:

  “She’s been brainwashed to think that she should not be at another scene of another white woman’s death because she’s white. And to say that white tears are not always necessary and helpful was just very odd to me.”
  (07:08–07:47)

• Clay Travis, on viral media as a protest tool:

  “Look, what they are trying to do to ICE is exactly what happened. They want to accelerate the negativity and try to get ICE agents misbehaving ... to get a viral moment that they can share to try to make ICE look bad.”
  (34:27–35:05)

• Buck Sexton, on bodycam footage and law enforcement:

  “Body cams basically defeated BLM. God bless body cams ... it actually shows how much Democrat voters are lunatics and the cops are doing an amazing job. That’s actually what body cameras show over and over again.”
  (35:05–35:52)

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Humorous/Lighthearted Segments

• Regional Food Debate (Philly Cheesesteak and Cincinnati Chili):

  • Clay criticizes Cincinnati chili as "atrocious," prompting calls from listeners including 88-year-old Pat, who defends it passionately.
    (18:10–20:44, 39:13–40:27)
  • Buck calls Philly cheesesteak with Cheese Whiz “just too peasant” for his taste, spurring playful ribbing among hosts and listeners.

• Mozzarella Making Class:

  • Buck describes a date night at a neighborhood mozzarella-making class, joking about eating all the cheese before bringing any home.
    (18:19–19:18)

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Segment Timestamps Cheat Sheet

• [01:58] — Discussion of ICE shooting video, context, and host opinions
• [03:34] — Interview begins with Breca Stoll, on-the-ground reporter
• [07:08] — Breca breaks down protester typology
• [13:11] — Business backlash: McDonald’s incident
• [23:15] — Hosts analyze new video evidence of the shooting
• [29:16] — Clay details video findings, disputes prevailing narrative
• [34:27] — Commentary on the use of viral videos by activists
• [35:05] — Buck’s bodycam analysis and discussion
• [39:13] — Listener Pat defends Cincinnati chili, lighthearted food debate

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a real-time look at a critical, fast-moving news story, blending eyewitness reporting, legal breakdowns, and cultural analysis. For those seeking unfiltered perspectives on law enforcement, protest culture, and the media’s role in shaping public opinion, this episode covers all the angles—while keeping things entertaining with food feuds and listener engagement.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are going to be joined on the ground in Minneapolis momentarily by Breca Stoll who is there covering the protests in Minneapolis. But first let me let you know that there is now a video of the ICE officer who engaged in the shooting of his perspective immediately before the shooting took place. That is going to soon be everywhere. It has been shared by a group called Alpha News. I believe it makes it quite clear that she was there to be an antagonist that she was not somehow as they have suggested, just a mom who showed up at the event, she was there, parked, trying to obstruct the ICE agents from doing their job. And Buck, she drove.

[Buck Sexton]

She was obstructing, which is why they actually circled the car. She thought that she had a right, which she did not. And it is a violation of law to get in the middle of an ICE operation and stop. This is like that judge that helped the, the illegal evade ICE in the.

[Clay Travis]

Courtroom in Milwaukee, if I remember Hannah Dugan, I think something like that.

[Buck Sexton]

You do not have the right to do this. She was in the wrong. And Clay, I watched the video. It's a clean shoot. Sorry. This woman lost her life. It's a clean shoot. And I. And I've. I've worked at a law enforcement agency. I've sat through all the training. The guy did nothing wrong.

[Clay Travis]

Breca stole joins us now. Breca, you've been doing great work on the ground in Minneapolis for the Daily Wire, and we appreciate you making the time to join us now from Minneapolis. Have you seen that new video yet? To what extent in your experience, have many of the protesters there been looking at these videos? What is the on the ground reaction? And again, the breaking news of this video that has just been released. That appears to be the ICE officer's perspective at the time of the shooting.

[Breca Stoll]

Hi, Clay and Buck. Great to be with you guys. But. So I just saw the video. I didn't see or I didn't. Couldn't hear all the. But I saw her friends, you know, go filming everything. And on the ground there is a little bit of a delayed reaction. I think the protesters, you know, they're actively screaming at ICE field officers, it looks like in law enforcement. And so they are occupied through their protesting activities. I'm sure information about this will get out soon. But they are very firm in their beliefs that ICE did something wrong and that they reacted. They continue to say she was murdered. And I don't think they're willing to listen to really any evidence or anything that another side or person has to deliver.

[Buck Sexton]

And it's now, I think, going to go to a whole new level because of this video that we were just discussing. And what's, what's your sense, Breca, for how this is going to weigh into the conversation?

[Breca Stoll]

Well, I think it's really interesting because it does show. Like you said, she was filming this. Like, I think this really was for TikTok. I think this is just part of their movement trying to get word out that, you know, just kind of defend their side. They wanted to distract ice and it's so interesting to me that you come into this situation in someone's job in law enforcement and you just think you're so entitled to be there and filming everything because at the reality like this is a difficult job and for these law enforcement to take their jobs very seriously, to have to deal with someone, you know, tiktoking and trying to make a viral video out of this would be incredible, incredibly distracting. And I just think it's dangerous, first of all. And so it's just interesting to see that these people do it. And it's honestly, I think the protesters coming out that I've seen on the street are doing the same thing. Like they're distracting law enforcement from guarding the ice field facility because, you know, they know they have to come out there because otherwise these protesters are going to be at their doors. And so what you have is them spending all day in a back and forth, them egging them on, screaming terrible insults at them. And it's like you are distracting these people from doing their jobs over and over again. And it's really interesting to see it when we know like when stuff happens and problems occur, you call 911. And when something bad is happening, you rely on these police officers, you rely on law enforcement to come and save the day.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Breca Stoll. She is on the ground. We played earlier a clip of you interviewing a woman who talked about her white tears and how she didn't even feel like she was maybe even justified in being there because she was not as oppressed as black and brown people. Do you think she's representative of the average protester that you are seeing? And I mean, in many ways, how did you keep a straight face? I thought you did a really good job interviewing her and it's obviously gone very viral. But do you think that she is representative of the average worldview of people that are protesting in Minneapolis right now?

[Breca Stoll]

Okay, so there's three types of protesters that I'm seeing that I feel like groups. You can categorize them in brainwashed, scary and paid. I'll start with brainwashed first, which is the woman I talk to. So when I'm talking to her, she comes up to me and she was crying. And I have that before in the video. But she's upset and so I just let her talk. And obviously, you know, I feel bad for this woman. She's obviously very upset. And so talking to her, I think she's about to tell me she feels it's wrong for her to be here because. Because it's an eerie, solemn feeling. That's the direction I thought she was going into. And she then tells me it's actually because she's a white woman. And, you know, in an interview, you're always trying to be respectful. You're always just trying to listen to what people say. And I was like, this woman is upset. And she clearly believes this. She's been brainwashed to think that she should not be at another scene of another white woman's death because she's white. And to say that white tears are not always necessary and helpful was just very odd to me. And so, you know what? You just keep a straight face. You keep listening. You're just trying to understand why she thinks this and where she's coming from. And then the other two types of protesters I'm seeing are scary, like I said. And basically these are the ones who yell these insults at law enforcement, where it's like they're saying, you guys are terrorists. Go kill yourself. You guys are Nazis. And so it's like you put those in a whole other category, and you're like, okay, these people have so much anger. And this is the potential where you might see something like the George Floyd riots. When people get so angry, they get destructive. So that's the group where I would see if something bad happens, like, potentially on Saturday, you might start seeing that from that group of protesters. The third one I say paid. I heard a woman yesterday talk about how we hit the goal time, and I think she thought I was part of the group. And I said, what do you mean, the goal time? And she said, oh, we're good. We don't need to be here anymore. And so I grouped that into the potentially paid, potentially organized. And those are. You see protesters hurling out insults, like, you know, to law enforcement, as, I hope your hotel has bedbugs. And I'm like, okay, just quite a spectrum of people we got here on the ground.

[Buck Sexton]

Bedbugs. That's really. That's really nice. Yeah, that's mean, I gotta say. So you've been able to talk. You've been able to talk to some of them, by the way. Good on you for the bravery for dealing with some of these. These maniacs. And please, you know, keep your head on a swivel. My friend Andy Ngo has been dealing with lunatic protesters for many, many years. And they are lunatics and they are dangerous sometimes. So please make sure that you're using best practices out there on the street to keep yourself as safe as you can under the circumstances. Is it your sense that this is dying down, or are they just getting going for the weekend? Because it is cold up there in Minneapolis in the middle of January.

[Breca Stoll]

Mm, no, it's freezing. And it's like Yesterday we saw 5,000, 6,000 protesters, you know, marching for hours when it's fleeting. And so that's interesting. And then today, I have noticed it is quieter today. And I think that's because Tim Waltz put out that video, what she called for a moment of silence for Renee. Good at 10am and just hoping to give people, like, time. So I think the protesters are taking into that. There's three main places where they're gathering. That's the scene of Renee's death, the ICE field office, and then where they organize that protest in, like, this intersection downtown. And all of those scenes have been much quieter today. And I keep hearing last night at the vigil scene, they were saying on Saturday we're going to come out here. And so I think they're using this as kind of a day to recoup. And then they're coming back stronger than ever on Saturday. And interesting to see because I talked to people on the street and I said. And they were telling me they think the violence from George Floyd reflected bad on the Black Lives Matter movement. And so they're trying to use extra precaution because they don't want violence from this movement to distract how they feel about ice. And so that's what they're worried about. And they keep saying they don't want Donald Trump to make an example out of Minneapolis. So I think that is the main reason for why so far, there hasn't been much destruction.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Baraka Stoll of the Daily Wire. You had to also, you've done really good job on the ground. I've seen several of your videos going viral. A McDonald's in the area put up a sign that said they would not allow ICE workers to come in and buy sandwiches, get hamburgers, what not. Also, we had the hotel that said we're not going to allow people to stay there. I tell us what you found with McDonald's and the hotel and whether you think that might be indicative. We talked about this on the show. Somewhat of a continued shift in the way that big business is responding after the Bud Light incident. It seems like anytime one of these stories go viral, we get an immediate response. But for people who didn't see what happened with McDonald's, tell us what you found there.

[Breca Stoll]

So we were taking a bathroom break from interviewing people on the street and we go into McDonald's and right on the door says a sign that says ICE is not allowed here. And so when. When we interviewed the security guard inside, and we're like, how. And also interesting that this McDonald's had a security guard. He just talked about how bad the area is and how McDonald's has hired him. He also was about to take our order, so. So that was already interesting. But the security guard said he wasn't sure how the sign got there, but he said it was private property, and that's what the business decided. Now, when you actually think about what probably happened here is you think about McDonald's and they, you know, they just let Trump be a fry cook during his campaign for their team. So you know that they did not want. They did not want to say ICE was not allowed into their office. And I can tell by their quickness to respond to me for comments when they said this was not authorized by corporate. And so what has probably happened here is it's a franchisee owner who maybe wasn't him, probably a manager, could even be a woke employee at the McDonald's who put that sign on the door. And you see McDonald's actively through their comment and their quickness to give it to me, saying that this is not okay and obviously ICE would be allowed in our stores.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you for the work you're doing, Brecker. Appreciate it. Like I said, stay safe. Don't let anyone throw any snowballs at you, and we'll talk to you again.

[Clay Travis]

And stay warm. That sounds miserable to me. The work you're doing is important, but I can't imagine how frigid it is. So stay warm. You're getting good stuff, and stay safe.

[Breca Stoll]

Thank you guys. Great to be with you today.

[Clay Travis]

She's doing really good work. We wanted to find somebody on the ground. You can go follow her. She's posting a lot of videos if you're curious what it actually looks like amid the protests. Really good work there. Brecker stole with the Daily Wire. Look, online hackers have all kinds of ways to steal your data. You want lifelocks online identity theft protection. Lifelock will monitor hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats, which is way more than anybody can do on their own. And if you become a victim of identity theft, you get your own lifelock restoration specialist who will fix identity theft, guaranteed or your money back. Your protection backed by LifeLocks million dollar protection package. Join now. Say 40% off your first year with my name, Clay as the promo code. That's 1-800-lifelock. You can also go online to lifelock.com you'll be protected in minutes once you provide them with the right information. Remember, use name use my name [e-mail] that's lifelock.com my name Clay. You can also call 1-800-lifelock my name Clay. That's 1-800-lifelock My name Clay. Lifelock.com my name C L A Y. Stories of Freedom.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Got a lot of talk backs, a lot of discussion to have here with all of you on this this Friday and before we head off into the weekend. So please send us more and also remember, so easy to send a talk back. Go to the, go to the iHeartRadio app. That is an app that all of you should have on your phone. You should just have that downloaded, lets you listen to us on any of our fantastic affiliate stations. You can listen on demand to the podcast there. It is simply the best audio app in the game. So you should have the iHeartRadio app. Make sure you subscribe to our show there and you can also listen to all of our podcast hosts. We've got honestly just an all star lineup of podcast hosts that are doing shows there, a whole range of people and you should go check it out. All right, we'll get into this. Here we go. I. I knew this was going to happen. It's time for me to get a little heat. You Know, Clay steers right into it. You know, he's like. And as I was. As I always tell you, the more you get angry at a Clay take, the. The deeper he goes on the take. So just remember that, okay? This is like telling someone, please don't play with those fireworks. They make a really big boom. Like he's. Now he's going to run off into the woods with the fireworks. 100%. Here we have Daniel. This is EE on the talkbacks Daniel from Pennsylvania, who listens on NewsRadio 580 and play EE okay, guys, I was loving your show until you went after the Philly Cheesesteak Man. Either you need to see a doctor.

[Clay Travis]

Or you need to have your taste buds checked or something, because the Philly.

[Buck Sexton]

Cheesesteak is God's gift to man.

[Clay Travis]

I'm with him. I. I think you're. You're just. You're out to lunch. No pun intended on this one.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay. Clay supports you on the cheese. I. I'm sorry. Anything that require that has cheese Whiz added to it is just not gourmet.

[Clay Travis]

It is.

[Buck Sexton]

It's just. It's too peasant for my taste buds. I. I cannot get excited about Cheese Whiz. So now. So there are fancy cheesesteaks out there. If you're gonna slice up some delicious seasoned sirloin, melt some. Some cheese on it. And Clay, I'm. I'm going to admit something. Carrie, my wife. We made it. We went to a mozzarella making class last night to learn how to make mozzarella. And I will also admit that I didn't. You're supposed to make it and bring it home. I couldn't get. I just ate it.

[Clay Travis]

Were there other people in the mozzarella making class or is it just.

[Buck Sexton]

They're like 20p. It was like a cooking class, but for making mozzarella. So it was. We had a little date night. So we made. I made a movie.

[Clay Travis]

Was it all dates? Was like, what is it all male, female? Were there any Non.

[Buck Sexton]

It was married. It was married couples from the neighborhood, pretty much. Yeah. Not really. No surprise there. You know, everyone was talking about, like, when they had to get back to their babysitter, including us, so. But we made some mozzarella. Let me tell you. Fresh mozzarella.

[Clay Travis]

Romantic. Very romantic. So that is fun. And you're wrong on the cheesesteak, but I'm going to take on some. Some opprobrium here. I'm going to take on some. Some negativity, maybe from Cincinnati. You asked the question. Which I thought was a good one. Is there any regional delicacy that you have tried that you are just like, this is not very good. The whole Cincinnati chili thing, like the spaghetti chili stuff, it's awful. It is. I tried it and I understand that in Cincinnati there is a full on revolt that may well be happening right now through throughout radio. It's awful. They should be embarrassed in Cincinnati for that to be the food that they are famous for. It is atrocious. I've never heard anybody who comes to Nashville, for instance, where I live and says, you know what's really bad? Fried chicken. You know, hot fried chicken. It's awful. No one would ever say it because it would be a lie. But this Cincinnati chili stuff, Buck, it's awful. I tried.

[Buck Sexton]

I'd never even heard of it. I'm looking at a photo of it right now. Looks like dog food. Not going to lie. Can't, can't get excited about this.

[Clay Travis]

And look, I'm pro spaghetti. I'm pro chili. I am not pro. The combination of the two, it's awful. It's really a bad combo. I don't know where it started. I don't know who's responsible for it. But you can do better, Cincinnati, you have done better in the past. Pete Rose is rolling over in his grave right now over this.

[Buck Sexton]

FF Reggie Quick from North Carolina hit this one. New York style pizza, totally overrated. I've tried it. I don't get it. Nothing amazing about it. The whole, gotta have a slice. No, it's. I've had better. Way better.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, he's wrong. It's good. First of all, I don't if you're coming after pizza. It's like, what have you got going on in your life? Pizza is pretty much good everywhere. I've never had bad pizza. Looking to upgrade the way you connect with your family and friends? Rapid radios, it's awesome. Our family uses them on road trips. My 11 year old who is not able to get a cell phone yet, much to his chagrin, he has a rapid radio. He can use it to run around when he's out playing with his friends. We can stay in touch with him without him having a cell phone doesn't let him on the Internet. A lot of elderly family members, maybe they don't use cell phones as well. Maybe you don't have great stuff. Cell phone reception where they are. This will work. Five days, one charge. Rapidradios.com that is rapidradios.com Sign up today. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show Okay, let's circle back again. Right about the end of the first hour, a video of the ICE officer's perspective was released by a company called a media site called Alpha News. We talked with Breckesto on the ground, but I think, Buck, maybe we can circle back to this because it is not yet airing anywhere on Fox News, CNN or msnbc. My guess is they're probably trying to validate it themselves because this is an exclusive that Alpha News has. Let's start with this. You and I are not experts by any stretch of the imagination in what is fake and what is real. I will say, though, this appears to be very valid. I don't think this could be a. I. I don't think they could fake this. Right. Would you say we're all going to be called upon for many different videos in the years ahead? Is this real or is this fake is probably the number one thing all of us are going to have to do when we watch videos that go viral. You and I have watched this video. I would say with almost 100% certainty. This appears to be the real video of the perspective of the ICE agent that fired these shots.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, the. The best thing you can do these days is try to look for some visual tells for it to be AI and there are some out there, by the way. There might not be for all that much longer. As these videos get more and more advanced, then you're really just trying to go on chain of custody. Who had this? Who posted it? But, yeah, I have very little doubt that this video. I have. I'm 99% sure this video is real.

[Clay Travis]

I would say that I would go even higher. I mean, it would. You would have to be the greatest AI artist of all time to fake this when you see the different perspectives involved. So let's break it down, because people can't see it yet, and you can't even. You can go on social media and you can watch it at Clay Travis, at Buck Sexton. We have shared it at the Clay and Buck show. So this is one where if you want to see for yourself and make your own determination, we encourage you to go look at the video that we have shared on our social media feeds. Now, with that in mind, Buck, you have trained. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make you the expert here. You have trained. I've done this a little bit because from a legal perspective, I've done it. But you have spent a lot of time training on simplified good shoot, bad shoot. So if you were charged with analyzing this from a Good shoot, bad shoot. Perspective. What should people know about what this video shows and how would you analyze it? From a good shoot that is it is a legal opportunity to shoot someone and a bad shoot that is it would be illegal and you could potentially face criminal charges.

[Buck Sexton]

Right, and I'm glad you clarified that too, because when you say something like clean shoot or good shoot in law enforcement or law terminology, it's not like celebrating and high fiving over it. It just means that it was lawful. Right. I mean, it's sad when someone is, is killed in a whole range of law enforcement situations. You know, if someone's having a perfect example. Clay, the woman who came after that officer on the body cam, and I think it was Virginia, came after the.

[Clay Travis]

Former basketball player with the butcher knife.

[Buck Sexton]

Right? I. He had every right to shoot her. He did nothing wrong. But as a terrible. She clearly was having a mental breakdown and it was a very sad situation, but he had to shoot her. It's a good shoot, quote unquote, good shoot. That's not. Oh wow, I'm so glad that this thing, it's a horrible thing that happened. But he did nothing wrong, nothing unlawful in the shooting. And in fact, in that case, clearly, I mean, it was beyond any reasonable doubt at all. There's no doubt had to shoot to save his life, which he has every right, every human being. You have a right to self defense that is innate. You have a natural law right to self defense. No state, no entity, no government can say sorry. Now Democrats pretend otherwise. They sometimes want to make self defense. In fact, they generally want to make self defense illegal. They want to disarm you, they want to prosecute you. Depends of course on the situation. You know, who are you defending yourself against? Are you defending yourself against an oppressed person? Then perhaps it's not self defense because we have to look at the historical context. Anyway, um, first thing, Clay, is you'll look at this. And this, this even goes to just my concealed carry course here in Florida, which so many millions of you listening have in different states where you get into am I in reasonable fear of my safety or the safety of somebody that I am immediately capable of responding to protect. So it's not just I have a firearm, by the way, we're going to talk about this law enforcement context in a second. I just mean for everyday civilians, you have a legal self defense right. And the way it breaks down, yes, it's different verbiage. And there's, there's duty to retreat, there's Castle doctrine, there's all these things in different states that can come into play, but the very basic one is, the very basic self defense is do you have a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm and or death for you or somebody that you are intervening to protect in a reasonable way? So if I draw my pistol, some guy pulls a knife out and says, I'm going to kill you. Give me your wallet. Oh, I actually am concealed carrying right now. I get to my Smith and Wesson bodyguard, I put two in his chest. That's, that's a lawful, you know, he's put a knife up to my throat. He said, I'm going to kill you. Lawful use of force. If he does the same thing to my wife or a friend of mine that I'm walking down the street with, again, lawful use of force for me to draw my weapon, because I can articulate this person had a lethal, lethal weapon up against me, threatened me with it. They forced the confrontation. Clay, that also comes into it. This is important. I know this. In Florida law, you can't. I can't get into an argument with somebody, and this is a very good nuance in the law. I can't get into an argument with somebody who pulls me over, go run into my house, get a gun, go back out to, you know, the street or the bar or whatever. You can't bring him into a bar, but, you know, go, go out and say, oh, yeah, let's go, buddy. That can be taken into account. Now you're instigating the situation knowing you have a firearm. That's different. Now you could be. Now, now you could be looking at a manslaughter situation, right? So in the case of law enforcement, are they acting within the scope of.

[Clay Travis]

Their, of their actual position?

[Buck Sexton]

And we went through this, even the CIA, because I had weapons in the CIA and you know, even though we were abroad, you had to be able to articulate if you shot somebody as a CIA officer, they're going to treat it just like you were FBI or anybody else, right? They're going to treat it like a law enforcement situation. So you have to be in the, in the lawful scope of your duties, and you have to be in a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm yourself, you know, for yourself or somebody immediately with you. Those are the two big things. This video to me proves beyond any reasonable doubt the officer was acting in a lawful capacity, dealing with somebody obstructing a lawful operation and is hit by a car that is clearly used as a weapon. If she wanted to get away, if she wanted to hit him. We he can't tell the difference. So to me it's a very very clearly a clean shoot clay based on what a. What a standard law enforcement use of force would be.

[Clay Travis]

Let me hit you with a couple of other details for those of you who are not able to see the video and I understand we're sharing with you a video talking about it on radio. This couple of details. The wife, this woman was a lesbian and I don't know if she was officially married but she had a partner, another woman. The wife is outside of the car. This ICE agent appears to be walking around the vehicle to get the license plate to be able to have the information. They are at parking blocking the road. As he is asking her to get out of the car one of the ICE agents is the wife says drive baby drive. She yells it drive baby, drive. She wants her partner to flee. This interaction with the ICE agent you then can see and again the there has been a discussion. They've tried to say well she just panicked. She didn't know what she was doing. She was like her. She is actually obeying the command of her partner and she looks directly at the ICE agent in front of her who is firing the shot, who fired the shots that killed her. She is looking directly at him when she accelerates. So the some people tried to say well she never saw him. Like she wasn't aware that he was there. She was no, you can see his video shows her eyes looking directly at him. Um, and I just, I think this is going to end the story. But for everybody out there who tried to demonize this guy and say that this ICE agent was a murderer like the mayor did that the argument that he was defending himself was BS like the mayor did that this was that he should be charged with crimes like mayor like governor Tim Walls did. This video completely refutes that buck you and I were talking about off air. We don't know this company, this media company, Alpha News. Some of you may in Minnesota know more about Alpha News. This is a huge story for them and it AlphaNews.org I'm going to their website. This is the organization that published the, that published the story. I don't know anything about their predispositions, political dispositions, anything at all about. Seems like they may be a little bit right leaning. But the stories that I'm seeing on the front of their website right now it appears to be a non profit but this is a huge coup for them. So again you can go watch it. I would encourage you to go watch It. It has not yet. I'm a little bit surprised by this. Not yet aired on any of the cable news networks. So they are not talking about this yet. But JD Vance just tweeted, buck, what the press has done in lying about this innocent law enforcement officer is disgusting. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just also point out that our initial reaction to this, based on far less clear video footage, is nothing but confirmed by additional evidence and information. If that were not the case, we would speak to you honestly about that and say, wow, I didn't see that angle or I didn't realize that aspect of it. Maybe this is. But I would just note, everything we find out just goes more toward initially what we thought, which I think is quite clearly a lawful use of force for this officer. So nothing has gone with more information. That position is strengthened without. Without any change in that chain of events. So I think that's indicative of something going on here as well. And, you know, the other part of it is, Clay can't mess around with people with guns who are doing their job as law enforcement officers. It's a really bad idea to do. So this should be a. And this is something that clearly they're like, training people to do this in different places. And this is not a game, all right? It's not a game to get in a car in snowy conditions and get in between cops. They're dealing with some of the people that these ICE officers are arresting. Thousands of them, in fact, are not just illegals. They're illegal pedos, illegal rapists, illegal gang members. Trenda Aragua. There was. We mentioned the Trenda Aragua guy was just involved in a shooting or got shot trying to run his car over people.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Getting in the middle of this is a dangerous and stupid thing to do. And also a criminal. It is criminal, Clay, for a reason. You know, the same way that it's illegal to block a highway, It's a dangerous thing to do. It is a stupid and dangerous thing to think that you are blocking cops from doing their jobs because you don't like federal law, you don't like the policies in effect.

[Clay Travis]

It's actually illegal to do that. Also, this whole world that we have created where we want to incentivize people to walk around with their cell phones and taunt other people while recording it in an effort to try to get a reaction. Look, what they are trying to do to ICE is exactly what happened. They want to accelerate the negativity and in some way try to get ICE agents misbehaving the whole point of having their cameras out and filming them and taunting them while doing it is. Is to get a viral moment that they can share to try to make ICE look bad.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'll just say this again, it's something that I've been advancing as a theory for quite some time. Body cams basically defeated blm. God bless body cams. Once again, body camera footage shows us the truth of what happened. Clay, if there was no video of this incident, ho, ho, ho, There would be a whole different situation playing out right now. You'd have every Democrat going with the most, you know, fanciful and defamatory version of events to try to destroy this officer's life and try to. All because they want to undermine efforts to enforce immigration law under the Trump administration. Because we have video, it makes it a lot harder. And because you have video from the officer's perspective, you know, is that officer supposed to wait until the SUV is like, actually crushing him? Like. Like the tires are on his chest and then he's allowed to. I'm just wondering what these lunatic libs think is going to be the policy here going forward. So body cameras, they thought. Clay, the left always thought that body cameras were going to show how much police brutality there is. No, it actually shows how much Democrat voters are lunatics and the cops are doing an amazing job. That's actually what body cameras show over and over again. And on the rare occasion when they don't, by the way, everybody on our side is like, great. Prosecute this cop for actual excessive force. They're not allowed to do that. But it's really, really rare, isn't it, everyone? That's what we see. Our look. There's no substitute for having enough energy to go strong all day, all week. This is the time of year when everyone's supposed to be getting geared up, right? It's January. You're doing new things. You got your resolutions in place. So here's a resolution for you. Take chalk. Take chalk supplements into your daily equation will make such a big difference. I use chalk when I was getting into shape. I'm down £40. I got better energy. I feel like I can move more. I can get more done every day. Chalk's male Vitality stack is their best seller. Chalk's Male Vitality stack includes an ingredient that has been proven to boost testosterone levels as much as 20% in three months time. The patriots at chalk and spelled cho Q are here to help American men proudly maximize their masculinity by boosting T levels. Don't be a Tim Walls voter, take yourself to the next level with Chalk. Choq go to choq.com to unlock Chalk's New Year special for the month of January when you subscribe with my name Buck as your promo code, Chalk will send you a free $99 bag of Chalk lit powder with your first delivery. That's Chalk choq.com buck start your year off strong, focused and energized today. Stories of freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all each day. Spend time with Clay and Buck.

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[Buck Sexton]

Pat, I just want to say I think Clay can consider himself fully chastised right now. Clay has been chastised for his commentary.

[Clay Travis]

Pat, I love where you live right now in Fairhope, Alabama. Beautiful place.

[Breca Stoll]

It is beautiful. It is beautiful. But and I'm and I'm so blessed because our Publix grocery store sells frozen Skyline chili and I can have it all the time and service. My friends and people here like it too. So I need you to rethink it.

[Buck Sexton]

He will Pat. I'll make him rethink it.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Not trying to throw Pat under the bus here, but Pat's 100% wrong on this. Skyline Chile is awful.

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