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Ben Ferguson
Are doing right this second? The exact same thing.
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Clay Travis
You are listening to me, which, let's be honest, is kind of flattering.
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Ben Ferguson
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Clay Travis
The couch, while people are walking their dogs. Who's a good boy?
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Ben Ferguson
Who's a good boy?
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Donald Trump (audio clips)
You're a good boy.
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Ben Ferguson
That's right, dude.
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Clay Travis
You're a good.
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Ben Ferguson
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Clay Travis
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People I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why Benghazi?
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Ben Ferguson
The truth became a web of lies.
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Ben Ferguson
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Ted Cruz
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Ben Ferguson
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Ted Cruz
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
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Ben Ferguson
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
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Ted Cruz
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Ben Ferguson
So down a verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts, Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. And it is, in fact, Clay and Buck today for the first time in almost two weeks. So we got that going for us, which is nice. And let's play. Had a great day on the road.
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Clay Travis
For how many days in a row now did you go home from Taiwan?
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Ben Ferguson
I had two days at home, but I really want to be home again. I'VE I've even had some interesting opportunities to travel later this month, Clay, and I'm just, I just want to be home. I'm a homebody in general and I want to be with Carrie and Speed and Ginger Spice and that's the plan. But yeah, Taiwan, 12 hour time difference really takes a while to get, get back on, on schedule with that. You, you just went from Central time to. Well, actually still Central time right at the Panhandle.
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Clay Travis
Or is, is it Central? Yeah, Panhandle is Central time. Now I did drive into the Eastern time zone for Florida State game, which is Tallahassee is just barely in the Eastern time zone. But I, it was pretty easy recovery. Yep.
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Ben Ferguson
So there you go. You can, you can handle it after east coast time, you're like, oh, okay, yeah, not, not, not too, not too taxing. That's good news. By the way, people kept asking me about Mr. Mr. Fine Baum.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Ben Ferguson
And I, I saw people and they said they were asking me questions about this. You'll have to explain this to everyone later on in the show because I did not.
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Clay Travis
We got Tommy Tumberbowl on at the bottom of the hour, probably ask him about it. But, but yeah, Paul Feinbaum is potentially going to be running for the Senate from Alabama. So, yeah, it's been a big story.
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Ben Ferguson
And people kept asking me. I'm like, yeah, I celebrate Fine Bomb's whole career.
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Clay Travis
His whole catalog.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, full catalog of football things. So we have some updates here from the Cabinet meeting that just happened. So let's dive into some of that because that's the latest from Trump. I think this is really interesting, Clay, because I wanted to do a little research on this on my own. Last night, Trump spoke about not only is he taking a, taking a bow and yeah, I think if you help negotiate the end of carnage that is taking human lives and maiming people and you know, war is a terrible thing. It truly is a terrible thing. Sometimes a necessary thing, but it is still a terrible thing. I think taking a bow is fine and I think that Trump deserves that and then some. But it's not just on, on Israel and the end of this conflict with Gaza. This is cut 33.
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Clay Travis
He lays out the whole, he gives.
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Ben Ferguson
You the whole number. Listen to this.
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Donald Trump (audio clips)
You remember we settled seven. This is number eight. We settled seven. Wars or major conflicts, but wars. And this is number eight. And the one that I thought would be maybe the quickest of all would be Russia, Ukraine. And I think that's going to happen too. But in the meantime, they're losing about 7,000 people a week, and that seems pretty bad. They're losing mostly soldiers, young soldiers. They go out to war and they. They're getting killed. And while it doesn't affect us in a lot of ways, where we've got a big ocean in between, you don't want to see that happen. It was a big mistake. That war should have never happened. It would have never happened if I were president.
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Ben Ferguson
Trump doesn't want wars, which is a very good premise to start with. So, Clay, can I. Can I give you the list here and you can.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Ben Ferguson
The list of conflicts that Trump was involved in bringing to either a ceasefire or some kind of an agreement to end the fighting. We have Armenia and Azerbaijan, two former Soviet republics. Trump signed a peace agreement between them on the 8th of August. That war had been going on for decades, and the leaders of both countries were very much thankful to Trump for helping to negotiate this one. Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda. That was June. Back in June of this year, a ceasefire announced on June 23 between Iran and Israel after the bombing of the nuclear sites. India and Pakistan on a border dispute. Cambodia and Thailand, they had a ceasefire July 28. They fought for five days, but people were dying. And then from the first administration, I think, Clay, he adds, oh, Serbia and Kosovo, he helped get an agreement with them. And I think he did something. Oh, yeah, and Ethiopia and Egypt, Trump dealt with a dispute between them over a hydropower dam. So it was more of a conflict than it was a war. But that, that is the list. That is quite a world tour that he has put together.
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Clay Travis
Yes. And again, it goes to the point that I had, which is the criticism of Trump. That would actually, it's not a good criticism, in my opinion, but the one that you could make is he's too focused on bringing peace to the world. And how does that actually impact America in any kind of significant way? I'm not saying I sign off on it, but that's the criticism of Trump. He's too focused on world peace. And many of these conflicts don't directly involve the United States. So why is the President spending his time on them? That is the criticism you could levy. It's the exact opposite criticism. They spent a decade on Trump, which is he's a modern day Hitler war. World War three is going to ensue. Let me ask you this, Buck. The clip you played, I think is interesting because I think Trump thought that he would be able to solve Ukraine and Russia faster than he has. I think he would say that if he came on with us, and I think he thought that because he felt as if he had a relationship with Putin that he could use to bring peace there. And again, unlike in Israel in the Middle east, where you have, let's be fair, an intractable, in many ways, conflict between Jewish and Muslim religious faiths, not to mention the Christian component, rolled in as well. Russia and Ukraine is basically a civil war. Again, I understand the lines of the battle and everything else, but the Russian and Ukrainian people historically have much in common, and there doesn't seem to be any real gain to speak of that's being fought over now. I think he's frustrated over the fact that he can't get peace there. And what does it say about that conflict that a true religious war is getting peace before a border dispute between two historical, historically connected people?
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Ben Ferguson
Well, the reason that there's not a ceasefire in Russia, Ukraine, I think is pretty straightforward, unfortunately. And it's that Putin thinks that he's winning and will keep taking territory with the status quo. I mean, that he's going to get more and more. So why stop? In his mind, because the casualties, the humanitarian cost, he is absolutely willing to pay that price on both sides. Something that is particularly jarring about Putin is he certainly has no. Is not losing any sleep at night about Ukrainian casualties. He's not losing any sleep about Russian casualties either. Yeah. This is unfortunately the mindset that he operates with. So that means that that conflict is likely to continue on unless there's a real change in that Trump has at least started to push in that direction publicly.
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Clay Travis
With.
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Ben Ferguson
If Putin starts to feel like they are losing some territory inside of Ukraine, maybe then there would be more of a willingness. But that's a tough ask for a lot of reasons.
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Clay Travis
How much do you think is this is cultural in that the way Russia defines itself in the modern era from a positive perspective, is by the sacrifice that the country was willing to make during World War II. And so if you go back in time, historically, Russia, obviously, the collapse of communism and the Cold War that they lost is not something that is a point of pride in that country. But how much of the willingness of Russians to accept, frankly, huge, huge casualty numbers is a function of that patriotic connection to the past, where basically the entire country giving up the flower of youth is seen as one of the true bravest moments and most sterling moments in all of Russian history.
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Ben Ferguson
Well, this is how Russians fight wars, just with throwing manpower at it. They've. They've generally had. They had really weak. Speaking of generally generals in World War II because of the Soviet purge. So they had a lot of, a lot of problems with that. Now, some of the, you know, people talk about, like General Zhukov, some of the generals in Russian past have, have been talented, but they generally throw a lot of bodies at the problem and that's what they're doing in Ukraine as well. So, yeah, I don't know how Trump, that's the big one that is on the list next, could bring us back to Trump the peacemaker, if he can. I would say this, and people might already feel that way and that's fine. They might be saying if he doesn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for this deal, it's effectively a meaningless award anyway because it's just some partisan tool of the global elites. I think that's probably already true. But if he were to end the Russia, Ukraine war too, and it was clear that he had a central role in that, and after this and didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize, then it's a total joke. Yeah, maybe it's already there, but it definitely would be a total joke. At that point.
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Clay Travis
Somebody just texted me or emailed me that once Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing, it had become a participation trophy in many ways, as opposed.
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Tommy Tuberville
To an, a reward for an award.
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Clay Travis
For what you actually accomplished. I do wonder if peace in the Middle east, if he suddenly is able to pivot in many ways directly to Ukraine, Russia, I still don't understand how this gets resolved in meaning Ukraine, Russia, because to your point, Putin basically knows that long term he has the ability to lean on Ukraine, and we still don't know exactly where that line is, where if he gets this amount of territory, he's satisfied. And it just feels kind of intractable at this point to me, because if Trump can't get it solved negotiation wise, to your point, it seems quite clear that Vladimir Putin just will not end this war. So how do you in any way end it when Putin just refuses?
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Ben Ferguson
Well, see, this is what I meant by he doesn't lose sleep at night over the casualties. There's no moral or humanitarian imperative that is at work with Vladimir Putin at all. This is, it's pure force. You know, I think the Israelis, I think the IDF for a while have just want, look, we're willing to stop. We don't want to have to keep doing this, but we have to know that they're going to stop on the other side. You know, you have that with Israel.
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Clay Travis
And we have to get the hostages, which is what the Hamas has refused to release them for two years.
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Ben Ferguson
And I know that we're very pleased, as of course we should be. I mean, people, I know, I know people who are tearing up at the news about the hostages going, that some of the hostages are going home. But I just can't forget that a lot of hostages are not going home alive.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Ben Ferguson
And that is an active decision that was made. They had civilians in custody and they let them die or they killed them, one or the other, I mean, which is the same thing. They're in your custody. So they killed civilians that they were holding as hostages. So the moral calculations here should be very clear to everybody about who the good guys are, who the bad guys are. But I do think that Trump now turning his, there's going to be some focus on this, of course, but turning his attention to Russia, Ukraine issue. It has to be what are the incentives for Putin to stop.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Ben Ferguson
You have to change incentives with him. He is a. It is like dealing with a rattlesnake. You cannot say, hey, don't bite me. That's mean. It has to be you, back off or I'm going to take your head.
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Clay Travis
Which I think Trump gets. Because Trump's new focus has been let's keep Russia from being able to sell their oil through India. We're going to put a penalty on India. And he's given Ukraine the ability in theory to actually threaten Russia in a way with armaments and weaponry that has not occurred so far. The risk there obviously is you accelerate the war as opposed to decelerating it.
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Ted Cruz
So.
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Clay Travis
But I think you're right. I mean, Putin has to fear something. And ultimately I think that's what Trump has come to realize, that otherwise there is no way to actually end this war. We'll take some of your calls, some of your talkbacks, much less serious. Buck, get your pen. You can play along here with prize picks in the state of Tennessee where you are right now. You can play in Georgia, you can play in California, you can play in Texas. 40 plus states. Great American success story. You can download the app, use my name Clay. That's C L A Y. And here is the pick for the week. We narrowly lost last week. Three of our four picks won't. This is easy. These are all passing touchdowns. Jalen Hurts and Jackson Dart both play tonight. Eagles, Giants. Each of them is going to have more than 1/2 passing touchdown. Cam Ward, Titans quarterback playing in Las Vegas this weekend. He's going to have more than one passing touchdown. And Drake may quarterback against for the Patriots against the Saints is going to have more than one and a half touchdowns. If I am correct on this, it pays out at four and a half to one. Pricepix.com you can play along with us. Use Code clay. You get 50 bucks when you play. $5 Hertz Jackson Dart and Cam Ward Ward more than one touchdown. Drake may more than one and a half touchdowns if we hit pays out at four and a half to one. We've already hit three out of the five weeks. Can we make it four out of six? That's the pick. Prizepix.com Code Clay stories of freedom.
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Ben Ferguson
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Clay Travis
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked why Benghazi?
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Ben Ferguson
The truth became a web of lies.
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
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Clay Travis
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
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Ben Ferguson
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
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Clay Travis
Benghazi is a Rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
I'm Leon Neyfak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco Benghazi.
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Commercial Voiceover (Various Ads)
What difference at this point does it make?
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, that's right.
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Ted Cruz
Lock her up.
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm Ben Ferguson.
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Ted Cruz
And I'm Ted Cruz. Three times a week, we do our podcast Verdict with Ted Cruz.
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Ben Ferguson
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
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Ted Cruz
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
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Ben Ferguson
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
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Ted Cruz
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
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Ben Ferguson
So download Verdict with Ted Cruz now. Wherever you get your podcasts, welcome back.
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Clay Travis
In Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you. Let's have some fun.
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Tommy Tuberville
Fun.
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Clay Travis
We're about to be joined by Tommy Tuberville. But I jumped in this morning and I'm doing my prep and I see a bevy of awesome, awesome Buck talkbacks relating to what may be called the la Fare Polish sausage.
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Ben Ferguson
Oh, my God, look, the Polish sausage. They're delicious. I don't know what to tell you. They taste great.
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Clay Travis
That. This is Cord bb He's got a question. Fire away.
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Ben Ferguson
Messages for Clay.
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Clay Travis
Clay, can you opine on how Buck.
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Ben Ferguson
Said his freshman year roommate Introduced them to his bowl of sausage last week.
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Tommy Tuberville
Guys are doing a good job.
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Ben Ferguson
Thanks.
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Clay Travis
All right, let's just add his cord here.
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Ben Ferguson
Throwing gasoline onto the fire there, buddy.
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Clay Travis
You know, here is Doug in Kentucky. He's also got some Polish sausage feedback.
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Tommy Tuberville
Hey, Buck.
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Ben Ferguson
Doug from Louisville, Kentucky.
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Tommy Tuberville
Got to tell you, I'm. I'm interested in the story of your introduction to the Polish sausage from your friend. Feel like there's a story there, you know, I mean, Clay's not afraid to tell us, you know, intimate details of his experiences. And, you know, I'd like to know more. I'm sure many of us would.
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Clay Travis
When did you recognize who was the first person to recognize the phrasing on your Polish?
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Ben Ferguson
Our entire. Our entire radio team in real time, laughing at me in the studio. My. I had a roommate from Will Met.
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Ted Cruz
Okay.
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Ben Ferguson
Which I've never been to, and. And he found out that I had never tried Polish sausage.
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Clay Travis
I don't even know if you're gonna be able to tell this story.
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Ben Ferguson
His parents. This is a real thing. His parents sent a big box of polar Polish sausage to us at Amherst. And so we were all sitting around.
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Clay Travis
This one time at band camp. This one time at band camp. So the whole stat. I don't know. I would have kept a straight face when this story.
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Ben Ferguson
Well, they didn't keep a straight face, Clay, so you're not alone there. Neither could I. But now the audience is all, can we celebrate Trump's world peace here, please? All right, we could talk about.
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Clay Travis
Maybe we could delimit the president for some Polish sausages just to have a really big festive experience. We'll grab a clip. By the way, President Trump has said that Columbus Day is back and all the Italian people are celebrating. Still, one of Buck. The best of all the Sopranos in terms of just pure entertainment, was when they got fired up over the banning of Columbus Day. Do you remember that, Sopranos?
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Ben Ferguson
Columbus is a hero in this house. Yeah, of course. Of course I remember that. Something else, by the way, I didn't get to tell you. I made a trip through. I had some conversations with friends in the Pentagon, Clay, when I was in D.C. yesterday, the day before, I can't remember now. And you look around, you know what it says on the. On the E ring level of the Pentagon and all these offices. Department of War, they've already changed it.
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Clay Travis
So I needed Department of War to win. Like the 1940s.
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Ben Ferguson
Yes.
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Clay Travis
I mean, through World War II, it was the world.
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Ben Ferguson
The War Department, I guess they changed it. Part of the Maybe the National security act in 1948 or something.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, I never really thought about it much, but as Secretary of War, obviously during the Civil War and everything else was commonplace.
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Ben Ferguson
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Donald Trump (audio clips)
And we'll be making cuts that will be permanent and we're only going to cut Democrat programs. I hate to tell you, I guess that makes sense, but we're only cutting Democrat programs. But we're going to start that and we have Russell. We can talk to you about it if he wants to, but we're, we'll be cutting some very popular Democrat programs that aren't popular with Republicans, frankly, because that's the way it works. They wanted to do this, so we'll give them a little taste of their own medicine.
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Ben Ferguson
Trump is enjoying the shutdown so far, Clay. He is not backing down an inch. Neither are the. Well, most of the Republican Senators, we had Senator Ron Johnson on tomorrow. Guys, do we have Senator Tuberville right now? All right, Senator Tuberville, we got a lot to talk to you about. Thanks for joining us here. I'll actually start just with the shutdown. Is the Republican caucus. Is everyone standing strong on this one? Anybody getting the weak, getting weak in the knees? You got to let us know we can't have that stuff. No caving allowed.
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Tommy Tuberville
Well, I've, I've seen a couple of, couple of soft movements here lately from Republicans, but I think there's more on the side of Democrats. I think the polling is going against them, but we just got a whole strong. Guys. If we don't hold strong, in which we normally don't on the Republican side, somebody starts to cave, then, then we're going to be in for a $1.5 trillion more that the American taxpayers are going to, going to lose because of the corrupt Democrats and socialist party trying to spin everything they send up here.
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Clay Travis
Do you get the sense? Because I don't. I've been on the road. I was just down in Florida. I've been traveling all fall. But since the shutdown started, no one asked me about it. And I understand that it's a real focus in Washington, D.C. but I don't get the sense that Democrats are actually creating some form of huge uproar over the government being shut down. And now we've got President Trump trying to travel to the Middle east and potentially bringing peace there. I feel like that story is far more important and attention gathering right now than anything relating to the shutdown. I'm curious what you hear when you are on the road and people talk to you about things impacting their lives.
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Tommy Tuberville
Well, I hear more about tariffs than I do anything. That's because of the farmers. They're struggling and we've got to protect our farmers. We gotta protect our military and law enforcement during this shut down. But you know, the Democrats, they have nothing to hang their hat on. And so now they've got something they can, hey, you know, we can fight back here. We, this is something some people might agree with us because nothing else is. Very few Americans agree with the Democratic Party on anything that they've done or try to do or anything that they believe in. So we just got to hold on. We just got to keep pushing, get President Trump and Scott Bessett and the people over in the administration an opportunity to clean out the fat of this bloated government of 3 million government employees. My gosh. I mean, we got people that we don't even know, get a paycheck. And so at the end of the day, we've got to clean this mess up.
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Ben Ferguson
Senator Tuberville, it's absolutely a day of some celebration from the Trump side of things, given the ceasefire. I wanted to just get your reaction to what this president seems to have accomplished and the satisfaction that I'm sure he and many of us get from seeing even people who never give Trump anything, never give him the benefit of the doubt, never give him a fair shot. They're even having to say this is a pretty big deal that he has negotiated between Israel and Hamas.
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Tommy Tuberville
Yeah, this is huge. And we got to get the hostages out. We got to get out of this message. Mike Huckabee, the ambassador, Marco Rubio, Winkoff, all these people, they have been working their tails off trying to get something done there and also in Ukraine and Russia. So hopefully this works out. It's a 20 point plan. First of all, if we can get the hostages out, I mean, President Trump has done his job because that is our main goal, is get these people loose, get them out of these tunnels, these caves, give them some food, get them back to society. This group that we're fighting, this Islamic terrorism that we're fighting within, Hamas, they are absolutely trying to destroy that part of the country. And by the way, they're coming to a theater near us, and we better watch out.
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Clay Travis
We're talking to Senator Tommy Tuberville. He's the next governor of Alabama. I know you're in the midst of your governor's campaign while also being a senator. I'm sure you saw I did a sit down with Paul Finebaum, a guy you've known from college football, I imagine, for a long time in the state of Alabama. He hasn't officially announced, but what's your reaction to what kind of candidate Paul Finebaum might be if he ran in the primary to potentially be a senator from Alabama? What do you know about him? What do you think about the idea?
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Tommy Tuberville
Yeah, I've been friends with Paul 30 years, and even when I was an assistant coach, he's made a name for himself. He's got 100% name idea in Alabama. I told him he's also made everybody mad in Alabama one time because. But that was his job, you know, making people, you know, a conversation about sports. Now, he's never been in politics, but neither had I. He asked me what I thought and I said, well, you know, if you're going to get into this and I'm not supporting anybody, that's not my job. I talk to everybody that's running for my position. And I said, you know, you got to get out there and sell yourself, not as a media person but as somebody's going to represent the people of Alabama in this country. So I heard your interview. I've talked to him. I think he's really, really looking into it. And I think that he's about to have had it with a lot of things that have gone on in his previous life professionally. And you know, he's an American. But he's got to get out and sell the point in the fact of am I Trump? He's got to be a Trump guy in Alabama. He's got to be conservative and he's got to show and tell people and convince people that that's what he's going to do.
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Clay Travis
You worked in sports as a head coach for a long time and by the way, you beat Alabama six years in a row as an Auburn coach and got elected in the state of Alabama. So that in and of itself. And you're going to be the governor now in a state where Alabama is the majority fan base. Auburn's got a great fan base too. Paul's fed up. I think you can kind of read it in that conversation with Disney and ESPN deciding that they're going to go full left wing. You've been doing sports a long time. Would you have ever believed that Disney and ESPN were going to turn ESPN into another arm of msnbc? Would you have ever believed that could be possible in the world of sports?
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Tommy Tuberville
No, never could have, never would have believed it or wanted to believe it. And I just can't believe that, that an entity that big that touches so many people that has really lived off the American people and, and true patriotism would go that direction. You know, I worked with Mike Patrick one year is his color guy and now while he was the play by play guy in his last year for ESPN and abc and I've never seen such far left groups in, in my life. I mean it was just, it was just they were, they, that's when Trump first got elected and they, it was just a fight from the start to the finish. When you're around a lot of those people that couldn't believe that I was a Trump supporter. So at the end of the day, you've got different factions in our country. The problem that I'm having is today is how much does the Democratic Party really love this country?
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Tommy Tuberville
Do they love our Constitution? You know, we all have different opinions, but my God, folks We look what they did. I'm in the elite eight. I was. I had my phones tapped by the FBI under the Department of Justice. A sitting United States Senator. You've got to be kidding me. So it is. You know, I just don't understand it. I really don't. Of the mindset of the people that. That are. Are trying. And I think it's their, their. Their way of life is they want to change everything that we're doing and go to another type of country that we're not going to allow that to happen.
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Clay Travis
You've known Paul Fine bomb, you said for 30 years. I understand that you are not going to endorse. This is your seat that's going to be up for grabs. Based on your conversations, do you think he's going to run or do you think he's not going to run?
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Tommy Tuberville
I think it's more that he is than he's not. Now, again, this, this is a week or so ago, the last time I talked to him. And, and I said, paul, you got to do your due diligence. You got to go out and you got to start making phone calls. You got to talk to people. Don't take my word for it. I'm one vote and I got an opinion. But you have to go and talk to people that. And try to get 2. 2 million people to vote for you. And there's a lot of convincing you're going to have to do. But I've told the same thing to Steve Marshall, the Attorney General, the same thing to Barry Moore, who's in Congress, is running for this seat. You have got to tell them what you stand for. And people got to believe that. You got to be convincing. I did that for a year and a half when I was football coach, and I said, I'm going to run for Senate. I went to every little town, every meeting, every farm meeting and told them, listen, I'm running and this is what I believe in. Forget about coaching. Just this is what I believe in. And thank goodness. I don't think they elected me as coach. They elected me for my beliefs and my love for the country.
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Ben Ferguson
Senator Tuberville, always appreciate you making the time for us here on Clan Book. Thank you, sir.
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Tommy Tuberville
All right, guys. Thank you. God bless.
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Ben Ferguson
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It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
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Ted Cruz
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
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Ben Ferguson
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.
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Leon Neyfak (Fiasco Benghazi Podcast Host)
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
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Clay Travis
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Ted Cruz
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Monday, I believe is Columbus Day it was been attacked as indigenous Peoples day. We mentioned this earlier on the Sopranos. For those of you who watched, there was an episode where Tony wanted to defend Christopher Columbus. So a little fun. Here's that clip.
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Ben Ferguson
He discovered America is what he did.
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Ted Cruz
He was a brave Italian explorer.
- [40:58]
Donald Trump (audio clips)
And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero. End of story.
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Clay Travis
But Donald Trump agrees. Buck, this just happened in the White House. Cut 36, I believe. TRUMP announcing that Columbus Day is still Columbus Day.
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Donald Trump (audio clips)
In other words, we're calling it Columbus Day. That was the press that broke out in the.
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Clay Travis
Course.
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Donald Trump (audio clips)
I've never seen that happen before.
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Clay Travis
The press.
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Donald Trump (audio clips)
The press actually broke out in applause.
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Tommy Tuberville
Good.
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Donald Trump (audio clips)
Columbus Day, we're back. Columbus Day, we're back. Italians. We love the Italians.
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Ben Ferguson
We love the Italians. And the Polish and many others. Some people are saying. I would just say Clay, I guess we're just not concerned anymore with what Columbus's stance on trans rights and climate change was. It's a little. I feel a little microaggression here. A little triggered, perhaps. Where was Columbus on these key issues?
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Clay Travis
It is interesting, isn't it, that all of the tear down the statue, people have just suddenly vanished. There's almost no discussion about it at all. I haven't. When's the last time you saw someone try to tear down a station?
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Ben Ferguson
It was all pure mass formation. It was mass psychosis. It was the topic from my book coming out in January, Manufacturing Delusion. That's what it was. So that is. You like that? That was cool. Like the other side of the pillow. Yeah. That's the truth of it, though, Clay. It's just people were caught up in their own rage and nonsense because pulling down the statues and all this stuff that they were saying, remember it got to the point where they were pulling down Abraham Lincoln statues, it just didn't even matter anymore. They just wanted to. What does Michael Caine saying? Batman is like some man just want to see the world burn. You know, he just kind of says that. And they just wanted to see the world burn. That's what it was.
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Clay Travis
I don't even know if I can read this joke from a Polish man. I'm gonna read it.
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Ben Ferguson
I mean, you're Clay Travis.
- [43:14]
Clay Travis
People still see me, they're like, did.
- [43:16]
Ben Ferguson
He really say this?
- [43:17]
Clay Travis
I think it's funny.
- [43:18]
Ben Ferguson
I'm supposed to be like your keeper, you know, like I'm supposed to keep you from getting outside the bars of the cage and going wild on the visitors.
- [43:26]
Clay Travis
This is, this is a Polish man. But my father in law, Larry Kornacki, who passed last year, also a Polish man, he would love this joke. So I'm going to tell it in his honor. Uh, as a Polish man, I can tell this joke. Uh, this is not me. This is the Polish man, Michael, whose last name I can't even pronounce. What does a Polish man. This is a little. This is a double entendre, Buck. But it's A little. Anyway, what does a Polish man give his wife on their wedding night that is long and hard? His last name. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Very much borderline, but I think good. So if you're upset, that is Michael G. Whose last name I cannot read and you can steal that one and you can.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm going to be reading, I'm going to be reading emails all weekend from our listener Ethel, who is going to be telling me that you need a timeout, sir, that you have to be put in the corner, sir.
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Clay Travis
I think that, I think that was within the bounds. I think that was within the bounds. But I did pause for a minute which maybe means it's not within bounds. We also have this. You were talking about the impact. I mean I do think this ties in with the statue thing. We have cnn. This is Michael Enton basically pointing out something that I do think it's worth re addressing on a regular basis. Is this the X conversation top of the next hour.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, let's save this for the top of the because we've only got about a minute here so we can tee this up a bit. The change in the media ecosystem is so powerful right now that what had happened was the Democrats clay the left were able to make and they were able to enforce arguments on the public that they could not subject to scrutiny, but they just had the raw power to through straight really information warfare, flood the zone and convince enough people that this is what it has to be and that now has been shattered. It's not gone, but it is a fraction of what it used to be. And I think that this ties into X. This ties into the change in the culture that we see now. And I also think that people are increasingly in positions where they realize we need to have our own platforms and have our own stuff too. So that's all to the good.
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Clay Travis
I also think it is showing us how Astroturf much of the arguments on the left really were in terms of whether they reflected the reality of opinion or normal people. I think that X under Elon is much more of a reflection of honest public opinion as opposed to a Silicon Valley, San Francisco era view of the world. But we'll give you some data on that when we come back. In the meantime, Buck is going to be sampling Polish sausages during the commercial break and we will have a lot more fun for all of you in the third hour of the program, including. I don't know how much you talked about this yesterday, Buck, because I can't remember exactly what time this came out, it wasn't climate change, it was a crazy left wing arsonist that tried to burn down la. Oh by the way, oral health goes beyond just aesthetics. It's deeply connected to your general health and well being. That's why preventing oral health problems before they start is so important. When you use the Colgate Total Active Prevention system, you're not just helping to prevent oral health problems like cavities and gingivitis, you're laying the groundwork for overall wellness. Colgate Total's three product routine includes a reformulated toothpaste, an innovative toothbrush, and a refreshing antibacterial mouthwash that all support a healthy mouth. In fact, the three products were designed to work together to be 15 times more effective at reducing bacteria buildup in six weeks starting from week one compared to a non antibacterial fluoride toothpaste and flat trim toothbrush. Take control of your oral health and get the Colgate Total Active Prevention system today so you can be dentist ready. Visit shop.colgate.com total this is Jim.
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Clay Travis
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Ben Ferguson
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