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Jim Jordan
Edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show Podcast. Welcome in hour number two. Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Encourage you go subscribe to the podcast. Make sure you don't miss a moment of hanging out with us on on the show. You can search out my name, Clay Travis. You can search out Buck Sexton. We have got a phenomenal podcast network. A lot of very talented people putting out shows that you will love as well. Just search us out and make sure you join the crew to be a part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. We are joined now by our friend Congressman Jim Jordan. Great state of Ohio. I don't know that we've talked to Jim since the Ohio State Buckeyes won the national championship and so congratulations there. I know you didn't. I know you've got connections to a variety of Big Ten schools over the years we got a lot to get into with you, but I wanted to start with this. I saw your House Judiciary Committee putting out news. Over 400,000 individual tax returns have been leaked, which is a staggering number. And we wanted to give you an opportunity to kind of explain to all of us how that happened, what's going on and what you expect to uncover going forward.
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Clay Travis
By one guy, Clay, who went to the IRS with the specific objective of leaking President Trump's tax return.
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Jim Jordan
Wow.
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Clay Travis
And as an. In that effort, 405,000, either businesses or individuals have their tax information in violation of section 6103 that we've dealt with in a long time and in time in Congress. But that information goes public and he gets charged with one count. One count should be 405,000. I mean, for goodness sake. And, you know, we hear so much about, oh, Elon Musk having access to sensitive information. It was a contractor hired by the Biden administration who came in with a specific goal, accomplished that goal, and 405,000 other people also had their information public. And it just, I mean, it's the IRS the same instant with what they, you know, $8 for 80,000 new people to come in there. And yet, oh, Elon Musk can't have access to this information where he's actually going to save taxpayers money. It's so ridiculous. You know, this is the irs, though. This is big government. It's why, you know, God bless President Trump and the Doge effort, because I think they're. They're highlighting how ridiculous some of these things the government really are.
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Buck Sexton
Congressman Jordan, always appreciate you being with us. I'm sorry, I just want to make sure that I'm getting this right, because this is one of these things where it actually, it feels a little mind blowing, even given the stuff we've seen from the government. As bad as a lot of the bureaucracy stuff is, 400,000 tax returns were leaked. How do we know this? And will those people be notified of this? It just seems like, yeah, the IRS is not.
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Clay Travis
They are being notified. And, you know, that's the least we can do. But remember, this is the same irs. I mean, we just had Matt Taibi come and testify again two weeks ago. And if you remember, back In December of 2022, Matt Taibbi does one of the Twitter files, important Twitter file, the very day he releases that Twitter file, which just happened to be December 24, 2023, Christmas Eve, that very day, the IRS opens an investigation into his taxes. They open that very day, and then two and a Half months later, he's testifying in front of our committee. And while he's testifying, while Democrats are asking him to reveal sources, while they're saying he's a so called journalist, while they're attacking him, the IRS was knocking on his door. So should we be surprised that the Biden IRS is actually having somebody get inside there and release President Trump's tax return and a bunch of hundreds of thousands of other American entities as well? This is how ridiculous. This is why big government is bad and what we're focused on, what President Trump campaigned on and Elon Musk is now implementing. Implementing is so darn important.
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Jim Jordan
Jim, I know there's a ton that you got, Clay.
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Clay Travis
I'm just, by the way, with Matt Taibi. The IRS actually owed him money, you think about. They're trying to intimidate him and it turned out they owed him. You can't make this stuff up.
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Jim Jordan
So anyway, I, I think you know this. I mean, because you listen, Buck is being audited right now. I have been.
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Buck Sexton
Good times, good times. Really fun.
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Jim Jordan
I, I never was audited in my entire life until we took over of my tax returns. Since I started this show has been audited. One of them, Congressman, the IRS told me I owed $39.75. I mean, I don't know who they've got on $39.75.
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Buck Sexton
You're lucky Doge didn't find you first, Clay. That $39.
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Jim Jordan
I don't know who they got pouring through my tax returns, but I don't know how many people have ever gotten a back tax owed bill of $39.75. But I did.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Jim Jordan
And so it's like, you know this when you look and you've met Ellen and you've had the opportunity to interact with him. Can you believe that Democrats have decided that the Hill they want to die on is being aggressive to try to cut waste and spending is unacceptable. Some of this stuff I just can't believe is a real argument.
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Clay Travis
No, I agree. And I caught you. I forget where I saw you doing an interview. You were making this point. No, I mean instead of helping us stop the stupid spending, let's attack the guy who's exposing the stupid spending. Like what? That's your, that's your political. As a party. I mean, that's, that's the position you're going to take. And take that to the folks I get the privilege of representing in west central, north central Ohio. Farmers and people who work in manufacturing and good, regular families. They're like, what are you talking about? I'd actually like for you to stop the stupid spending. Yeah, I don't get it. But if they want to do that, God bless them. We will keep, we'll keep talking about the crazy things that their tax money is being used for and working to stop it. Work along with Elon Musk.
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Buck Sexton
One of the most important things, Congressman Jordan, that you are looking to do and to get other members of Congress on board for so much of what we've seen so far is obviously executive branch action stuff from the White House, from the Oval Office, President Trump from Elon and others, you know, his Cabinet, various Cabinet secretaries. We haven't been, you know, it must be interesting. Congress isn't getting beat up over all this stuff. Right now. Congress is sort of on the side. It's, everyone's focused on the executive branch. What do you want to see the House do in order to assist in cleaning up all the stuff that's going on here? I mean, what's feasible and what's on the agenda?
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Clay Travis
Well, I mean, first is reconciliation. I mean, we got a budget package that we're hoping to pass today. We're trying to round up the votes for that. But this, this budget resolution would allow us to, it sets the stage for us to cut taxes, cut spending, help with national defense and secure the border, which, you know, go figure. That sounds like we're being Republicans. It sounds like we're doing what we told the voters we're going to do. So that's, that's where primary focus is in the, in the Congress right now is getting this package moving so we can actually do via reconciliation, which is, you know, I'm sure you've talked to your listeners many times is just a fancy word for you don't need 60 votes in the Senate to do the things that you want to do when it relates to budgeting and spending. So that's what we're really focused. But we are going to have to codify some of the stuff that Elon Musk is identifying and understand there's been efforts over the years to do. Citizens Against Government Waste and other fine organizations have highlighted some of this stuff over the years, the earmarks, the bridge to know where stupid things that money gets spent on. But there's never been this kind of intensity and focus and effort with the media attention on Elon Musk and President Trump campaigning on it and saying Elon is going to be the guy who ran Doge. That is what is new and I think dynamic and giving so much attention to this, which is needed, frankly, when you look at the trillion dollar deficits we're run and the $36 trillion debt that's now piled up. So that's, that's where we got to put at some point we're going to have to codify what, what he's, what, what Elon is identifying and his team. But also we got to get this reconciliation package done.
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Jim Jordan
I mentioned Ohio State off the top, obviously the vice president, Ohio State, Buckeye grad. I know he was happy to see that win over Notre Dame. You are also involved in addition to a billion other things going on, nil and college athletics, I think I saw coming across the line a little bit earlier today was that there's going to be a hearing surrounding that. Am I right? Where are we going? For people out there who are big college sports fans, what are you examining?
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Clay Travis
Well, we're actually doing something that typically doesn't happen all that often on Capitol Hill. We're actually going to do hearings where we're trying to get information where there's not some predetermined outcome that we want some bill we want to pass or something we're trying to achieve. We just want to Everyone loves college sports. We want them to be around. I watched the Oklahoma State, Iowa match on tape last night when I got home late. And we want, we love college sports and most people football, basketball, but there's so many other sports. We want to make sure they're all doing well. We met with Charlie Baker, we met with and through some of the work with uclay, we've met with some of the commissioners from some of the big conferences. So we're looking at doing some hearings and field hearings where we talk to people involved in college athletics and say we want to make sure this continues. It's been such an amazing thing and it's different from most other countries where it's all club level, different kind of concept, this idea that sports are good for students and student athletes. That's why we have them in school. And when you get to the top level, Division 1 athletics, it's really important to Americans. So we're going to have some of these hearings where we bring in people. We're kind of waiting for this House decision when it's finalized, so we sort of know exactly what's there, but we're actually going to solicit information. Imagine that Congress trying to get information and figure out what's the best way to move forward and should we move forward at all, as you know, in Congress or Do you just let the marketplace work? So those are the questions we have and we're trying to get answers to.
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Buck Sexton
Congressman, have you ever seen such a lack of gusto from your counterparts on the Democrat side in the Congress? It is a remarkable moment in American history. Right now, it's just the deafening sound of crickets chirping as Trump is doing all this stuff. There's not much happening from, from them. What, where do you think that goes? Are they going to just summertime decide that they're going to focus in on health care for the midterms or something? How does it work?
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Clay Travis
Well, I mean, yeah, they're not, they're not, they're going to keep fighting. The left is the left and they don't like the idea that we the people are in charge. I mean, it's, I would say this is the fundamental fights what you're seeing with, with Mosque. It's like, oh, no, no, no. It's the bureaucrats, it's the fauci's of the world who are supposed to run things. You know, the experts. It can't be we the people via the people we actually elect into office. It can't be that model. That's the Constitution. We don't want that. We want the bureaucrats to run things. So that's the fundamental fight. There's still gonna be the left, but you're right, the momentum is all, and the energy is all on President Trump's side and the Republican side. And you see that with the fact that every single person he has nominated, with the exception of Mr. Gates, but every single one has been confirmed. And now we have Dan Bongino going to go help Cash. We got Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche coming into Justice Department. It's the team he has put together, good sharp people who understand they're supposed to be in those positions to serve we the people. That's the attitude that was, I think, reflective in the election and that's the attitude you see in these folks. And I'm excited about it all.
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Jim Jordan
Jim, what should we know about the timeframe here on bills getting passed? I know there's been a discussion. One bill, two bills, one big beautiful bill. What is the current process, I guess, under which the, this is playing out on Capitol Hill? And what should we know from a time frame perspective based on what you know?
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Clay Travis
No, good, good question. And you know, I'm, I fell along tactically. One bill, two bill, 10 bills. I don't care. I just want to get down what we said we were going to do. But the one bill approach is the budget for creating that vehicle is supposed to happen tonight. Now, the speaker said we may or may not be able to get the votes tonight, but I think we can. We're working on that. And then the final package, the timeline that the speakers laid out and Leader Thune has talked about is sometime in April, where we would get that one big beautiful bill, or if it's two, and you got to do a second one. But the idea with one is to get it done sometime in April so that those tax cuts are in place. They stay in place. The new tax cuts come into place. The money needed for Tom Homan to do his job and secure our border, because it takes revenue, it takes resources to do that, and then some money for our national defense, which, again, are all the things we campaigned on. That's the timeline that the speakers laid out, and that's what we're trying to meet.
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Buck Sexton
What do you think of the chances, Congressman Jordan, that for the first and maybe only time, you'll be a part of a bill that's actually called one big beautiful bill? I think it has a nice ring to it. I'm just throwing that out there.
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Clay Travis
You know, it's so President Trump. And, you know, you guys have spent time around him like I have, and he's a special guy, and what a leader, and the optimism and love he has for the country is just. It's phenomenal. And I think the bill's appropriately named. So let's hope we can get it done tonight, get that first step done later this evening.
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Buck Sexton
Fantastic. Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio, appreciate you, sir. Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.
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Clay Travis
Take care.
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Buck Sexton
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, I think we have a cut on this. We'll play in a sec. But Buck, this is where I think a lot of younger women are going to decline to follow the Democrat party down this crazy rabbit hole of gender that they're going because they're not as afraid about abortion related issues as they might have been a couple of years ago when Roe v. Wade got overturned. Because by and large states have made their own decisions and we haven't seen some crazy new world. But here was Jessica Tarlov, the resident Liberal on the 5, talking about this specifically from Wisconsin. Listen, my experience as a liberal who has been inseminated a few times is that you're just making up problems that don't exist. And there are real problems out there. There are reasons that we don't use slurs or that we try not to use slurs against certain groups.
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Clay Travis
But I would doubt that there are.
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Jim Jordan
More than five people who have ever complained about something like this or that. I don't know the statistics on how many trans men give birth per annum, but I imagine that it's pretty slim and that we would know about it if there were more cases. So this is all a smart take. Also, Buck, I'll just say inseminated person actually sounds super misogyny. Look, I can't believe I'm saying this, but it sounds super misogynistic because you're only defining a woman by something that a man did to her. Am I crazy on this? Like that seems like, hey, you're basically a receptacle for male activities. It doesn't seem very empowering for women to refer to them as inseminated people, right? Like inseminated person. It actually feels really insulting.
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Buck Sexton
Well, not to get too technical, but also just because you're an inseminated person doesn't mean you're a mom.
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Jim Jordan
That's pretty technical. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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Buck Sexton
It also goes to show, beyond any doubt, that Democrats were lying for a long time when they were saying things like, we need congressional action to do anything about this, or when they tried to at the last minute, it was so transparent, which is why the Republican in the Senate who went along with it is just, was just a useful idiot when they tried to pass that border security bill in the election year. Oh, why won't Republicans go with this border security bill? They must want more illegals. You know, this is the person who has burned your house down running up with a pail of water as it's smoldering, saying, I'm here to help. I mean, the whole thing was absolutely absurd. This is a law enforcement issue, which means it's really an executive branch issue, which means it's really a political will issue. These individuals are in the country in violation of existing congressional statutes. They are entering the country in violation of existing congressionally passed statutes. So what you need is people to enforce those laws and make sure there are consequences as part of that enforcement. In this case, sending you back to the country that is your actual country. And you don't just get to skip the line and go around all the legal immigrants into America and decide you're going to stay here and get access to all the benefits of being, you know, on American soil. So Trump is doing a fantastic job with this so far. But I think it does add to the sense of. It should add to the sense of outrage that people have that we had to suffer through 10 million illegals pouring into the country under Biden. They wanted that to happen. This is the key difference, right, Clay? It's not that this was, oh, you know, we tried and they just overwhelmed and we couldn't know. The Democrats pretended that they didn't want this to happen while they made sure that it was happening and did nothing to stop it. In fact, they enabled it. It was a policy decision that they made. It was not a natural disaster. You know, it wasn't a hurricane that they were unprepared for or something. It was. We are making this situation what it is, which is a lawless mess and really a sellout of the American people and American sovereignty, no doubt.
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Jim Jordan
And now this is one thing we're going to keep pointing out. Congress does need to act because we need to take away the presidential authority that Biden took advantage of to allow the southern border to be wide open again. So in order to ensure, hopefully, that this doesn't happen again, Congress needs to take an action. And this is part of the big, beautiful bill that hopefully would restrict the president's ability to act under executive authority. But this is where Trump not only has kept his promises, but he was accurate. He said all we have to do. And we'll talk about this with Tom Homan tomorrow. All we have to do is reimplement the policies that we put in place last time, and the southern border will cease being wide open for the entire world. Trump did it. 30 days. Boom, Southern border is shut. And in fact, based on these numbers, I think there's a good chance that there are fewer illegal immigrants in the country at all during the Trump administration now than there was before. That is, we're not allowing in a massive amount of illegals, and we're also now sending violent illegals out. This may be the first month since Joe Biden came into office where the number of illegal immigrants in the United States has actually declined. Even if it's not as fast as people would want, the positive trend lines have flipped.
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Buck Sexton
I think that this is also part of a reorientation of the thinking of the majority of the American people. Again, I can't speak to the insane. You know, I can't speak to the people who are like, we need to change the law for inseminated person instead of mom. Like, we're never gonna. You can't. You can't fix that. OK, but we're at solid majority issues here. 60% of the American people approve of the deportations that Trump is doing. 6, 0. 60%. And I think if they knew more details about who these people are and what's really been going on, the number would be more like 70, 75%. And now you're just getting to the hardcore open borders. Left, right. 20, 25% of the country is nuts. We can't do anything about that. But really, 20% of any country is going to be kind of a little bit nutty on politics, I think that's fair to say. And, you know, I think there's a. Just a contingent of any Society, it's going to be kind of crazy. But here's the thing, Clay. They're changing our perception of what is possible. Yes, you know, yes, Trump has this win, but if Trump is doing this, future administrations as well will have to contend with the fact that if all of a sudden the border gets kicked wide open again, they can't play the, oh, we're overwhelmed. We just need more. We just need more immigration judges. We just need more border patrol to welcome people into the country who have come here illegally. Right. That's changed the same way that Doge and the budget stuff and the government waste, fraud and abuse cutting is changing our perception of whether we can actually tackle government spending, government growth. Right. You can't fix this all at once, but when you can do something about it, you then have the proof that you can do more going forward. So I think the, there's a mentality shift here that Trump is, is creating.
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Buck Sexton
Today we're going to be joined. Do we have Rufo Alley? I'm forgetting if he confirmed or not. We're working on it. We may have our friend Chris Rufo joining. Talk about what's going on inside of the intelligence community with this leaked sort of. I don't know if it's like a. It's like a slack channel, but it's not called that. It's some. And I've been out for a while. I don't even know what the instant messenger equivalent is called now. They, you know, they probably change contractors every few years in the federal government. I have no idea. But saying some crazy stuff of the activist LGBTQIA plus plus variety. I wonder how long we have to keep using that acronym. The pronouns in the bios has gone away largely. Do we have to keep saying LGBTQIA plus plus?
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Jim Jordan
I don't think we do. We can certainly just like start to shorten it. I do think what you're talking about. We're going to give some more details top of the third hour. I looked at some of these messages. I can't imagine sending them in work conversation. This is not like a text message with your friends. This is not a text message with your buddies. Like outside of work on official servers.
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Buck Sexton
In classified buildings of the federal government. On government time. Yes. And it's. I just, I can't even describe Clay. I don't even know. And I mean, I'm not trying to get back into the, you know, inseminated person discussion here. I don't even know what some of the things are that they are texting about.
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Jim Jordan
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Buck Sexton
On the thread. I truly mean that they're describing things that are of a kind of like a sexual nature. And I don't know what it is that they're talking about. I just know that it's not something you should be talking about at work.
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Jim Jordan
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Buck Sexton
Step back for a second. It is hilarious that you used to do HR. Mr. First Amendment and boobs is like, excuse me, sir, did you make an off color joke?
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Jim Jordan
I used to, I used to do HR investigations as a lawyer because I could do a investigation on behalf of the company that was as a general rule considered to be privileged because I was an attorney representing a company. So the things that people put in email are usually a huge part of any HR investigation. So what you put in your work email is around forever. People tend to think, oh, this is not. But my advice to you is in a work email, be careful. I looked at this and I just couldn't imagine what it meant, what it represented to me, Buck was. And I think we've seen this come true with the reaction to doge. None of these government employees ever fear losing their jobs. They felt so protected that they could basically do anything at work and there were no consequences.
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Buck Sexton
Can I tell you though, and this is from. I've been increasingly reaching out to for obvious reasons since the election, friends of mine and these agencies, because one, they know that we know some of the people we're friends with, some of the people running these places now really almost all of them. And I mean Tulsi Gabbard of the dni, I mean, you know, you all know with these people we text and invite on the show and have been for years. You know, Cash Patel at FBI, you know, Bongino going to be deputy director of FBI. These are, these are our people. And so people that are others who are inside these agencies. Right. You know, what do you think of this person? And is this, you know, how are they going to approach this? And Clay, one part of this is there are, there are good people in these agencies and maybe a lot less than many of us have realized. Maybe it's, you know, 20%, maybe it's 30%. There are good people, though, in all these agencies. I want to make that pretty much all. I don't know about Department of Education. I mean, there's. But FBI. I mean, there are good people in these agencies. The percentages, we still have to figure that out. But they, to what you're saying about how they never fear firing. For being bad at their jobs. No. For saying something that offends the woke gods. For saying something that is not DEI approved. Oh, you could get in a lot of trouble for that. And that now finally may be changing.
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Jim Jordan
We'll talk about, we'll see if we get Rufo on, but we'll talk about how crazy this is in general. Caroline Levitt is giving a press conference right now, Buck. I also sent in some clips from her in this third hour. There's going to be a major fit thrown because she is saying instead of the White House Correspondents association controlling who gets access to ask questions, the Trump White House now is going to make more and more decisions about who has access to the briefings. This is going to turn into a big deal. I'm just telling all of you, the AP has already filed a lawsuit saying their First Amendment rights are being restricted by not being granted access. Let me tell you something, that argument is not going to win because I went through a lot of this when I started Outkick. We mentioned this a little bit, Buck. I had to fight really hard to get access to public events. The conferences, the leagues, they have a lot of control over who can sit in their press boxes and who can come to their press conferences.
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Buck Sexton
Clay. This is true throughout so much of the government. And I think it's, it's interesting that now Democrats have a problem with this. When Trump was in office, and this is when I made three of my, three of my visits to the border in different places, it was border Patrol. What do you want to see? What transparency do you need? Who can we have you talk to? We'll do anything that helps you get the truth about the border out to the American people. Right. Biden comes into office and my contacts down there, with the exception of Border Patrol Union, but contacts are like, look, we can't talk to you. What do you mean you can't? I'm an American. I'm in media. We can't now they'll talk to you offline. But I'm saying officially speaking, all of a sudden everyone's scared for their jobs. So, yeah, why should, why should regime media of the Biden era be given preference over media that, by the way, has bigger audiences on the right in general anyway. In what world should CNN get preference over, you know, Daily Caller? I don't see, I don't see why that should be the case.
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Jim Jordan
I agree and I expect that it's going to turn into a big battle. Again, there's a difference between not giving full access and restricting what somebody can say. Government obviously shouldn't be in the business of restricting what someone can say, but they can totally decide who gets to get on Air Force One, who gets to be in a press briefing. And that is a battle that media has been fighting for all time. Who gets access, who's able to ask questions that isn't. That's a privilege. That's not something associated with the First Amendment. And the AP just got slapped down even by left wing judges over this. So that's going to continue to be an issue. We'll play some audio of Caroline Levitt laying it out. All that more last hour playing Buck next. Keep hanging with us.
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Buck Sexton
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