Hour 2 - Rigging the Census?

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - Rigging the Census?
Date: January 30, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dissect several hot-button topics in the news and politics, using their trademark mix of intelligence and humor. The central segment is an in-depth interview with Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway about her lawsuit challenging the counting of illegal immigrants in the US census and the far-reaching political consequences of this issue. The hosts also break down the recent dump of Jeffrey Epstein files, reflecting on public reaction, potential revelations, and speculation. Lighter moments come in debates about celebrity attractiveness and anecdotes from the hosts’ personal lives, contributing to the show’s energetic, conversational tone.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Release of Epstein Files

• Discussion of New Document Dump

  • The Department of Justice has released over 3 million pages, 2,000+ videos, and 180,000+ images related to Jeffrey Epstein.
  • Only materials not jeopardizing ongoing investigations or containing explicit or private victim information were withheld ([03:06], [04:02]).

• Host Reactions

  • Clay and Buck agree that little new or shocking will come from this dump; previous hopes for bombshell revelations have not materialized, and both hosts express skepticism that anything substantial was held back.
  • They compare the drumbeat for these files to lingering obsessions with the JFK assassination records.
  • Quote:

    “The reality is the Epstein people are never going to be satisfied. Every time that there is a substantial release... there's going to be a discussion about, ‘oh, they held things back’...”
    —Clay Travis [04:34]

  • Quote:

    "There's just, there's nothing that's going to come out of this of any significance. No one's going to prison. That's just the deal."
    —Buck Sexton [07:08]

  • AI’s ability to scan large volumes means anything truly damning would already be emerging ([07:40]).
  • Some embarrassing emails (between elites and Epstein) may see the light, but major criminal new revelations are dismissed as unlikely.
  • There’s also concern about not publicizing photographs of underage victims ([09:24]).

• Notable Quotes:

  • “If you think that there had been damning information in the Epstein files against Trump that they wouldn't have used against him during this entire last decade of his political career...I just think that's bonkers.” —Clay Travis [10:35]

  • “It's very hard to disentangle that. And in some cases, I think that actually is true. I mean, look, Trump knew him, for example. I don't think Trump knew anything about any underage, sketchy stuff going on or illegal stuff going on.” —Buck Sexton [11:56]

2. Supreme Court Case: Counting Illegal Immigrants in the Census

• Interview with Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway ([21:05]–[28:58])

  • Background: AG Hanaway is suing to prevent illegal immigrants from being counted in the US census—a change that would shift House seats and Electoral College votes from states with high illegal immigrant populations (e.g., California) to others (like Missouri).

  • Key Points:

    • The practice began during the Carter administration.
    • Trump tried to stop it, Biden reinstated it for the 2020 census.
    • They seek a court decision that only permanent legal residents should be counted for apportionment of House seats and federal funds.
    • Removing illegal immigrants from the census could reallocate up to 11 House seats and their associated electoral votes.

  • Constitutional and Legal Questions:

    • The 14th Amendment’s “persons” has been clarified by case law as “permanent legal residents” ([22:48]).
    • AG Hanaway is optimistic about success in the courts, especially given Missouri’s conservative judiciary.

  • Timeline:

    • Realistically, a decision could impact the 2028 elections more than immediate upcoming cycles, though they push for expedited review.

  • Potential Impact:

    • Changing the census count could have dramatic effects on House composition, presidential elections, and the distribution of billions in federal aid.
    • Mention of related Supreme Court cases—like majority-minority districts and birthright citizenship.

  • Memorable Quotes:

    • “I think the most significant election lawsuit filed in probably a couple of generations. Because if we win, not only will 11 House seats be reallocated from places like California to places like Missouri, but with those House seats also go electoral votes.” —Katherine Hanaway [21:17]

    • “That could be very impactful in terms of the midterms coming up... this would be utterly important not only for the 2026 elections, but... the 2028 electoral college map would potentially change.” —Clay Travis [27:43]

    • “We want to make it stick through a court decision, because as we know, he won't be president forever. And so we want to make this permanent.” —Katherine Hanaway [23:22]

• Hosts' Reaction

  • Both hosts stress the stakes: this is an under-the-radar issue that could dramatically affect national politics.
  • Clay praises the legal intricacy and importance:

    “You might you make it basically legal credit for the details there. But it is very important, very, very important.” —Clay Travis [29:02]

3. Lighter Moments and Listener Interaction

• Movie and Celebrity Banter

  • The hosts riff on pop culture news—including the passing of actress Catherine O’Hara and a playful debate between Clay and Buck over Natalie Portman’s supposed attractiveness ([29:32])—which leads to amusing listener call-ins and show banter ([36:15]).

  • “Catherine o' Hara actually had talent as an actress and as a comedian, whereas Natalie Portman was just advanced for no apparent reason.” —Buck Sexton [30:34]

• Personal Anecdotes and YouTube Promotion

  • Clay brings a “double baby” and “puppies” on camera to boost their YouTube subscriptions, poking fun at viral internet trends ([33:39]–[35:50]).

    “This is just shameless YouTube... Babies, dogs, whatever else is out there, we'll do…” —Clay Travis [35:33]

• Listener Feedback

  • Multiple voicemails lampoon Buck’s “manliness” after his hot takes on Natalie Portman and pistachio ice cream ([36:37], [37:02]).

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Important Timestamps & Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |---|---| | 03:06 | Epstein files document release — DOJ’s Todd Blanch details what’s being released and withheld| | 07:08 | Buck and Clay’s joint take: Little of substance will emerge from Epstein files | | 09:24 | Clay explains why private photos of victims likely withheld; further thoughts on elite embarrassment | | 21:05 | AG Katherine Hanaway interview begins – the census lawsuit explained | | 22:48 | Constitutional and statutory debate over who should be counted in the census | | 24:14 | Supreme Court history and prospects for the case to be heard | | 25:11 | Discussion of timeline and possible effects on upcoming elections | | 27:43 | Broader impact on Electoral College and redistricting | | 29:13 | Hosts react and transition to lighter pop culture news| | 33:39 | “Double baby” and puppies for YouTube subscribers | | 36:15 | Listener call-in reactions to the Natalie Portman debate |

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Notable Quotes

• Clay Travis on the Epstein dump:

  "The reality is the Epstein people are never going to be satisfied." [04:34]

• Buck Sexton’s assessment:

  "There's just, there's nothing that's going to come out of this of any significance. No one's going to prison. That's just the deal." [07:08]

• Katherine Hanaway on stakes of the census case:

  “Not only will 11 House seats be reallocated... but with those House seats also go electoral votes. And the other thing that goes is any federal assistance, because... it’s based on census data.” [21:17]

• Buck, on legality:

  "The 14th Amendment to the US constitution says that persons shall have the right to vote and shall be counted... defined to mean permanent legal residents." [22:48]

• Clay, on the case’s national impact:

  “It is very important, very, very important.” [29:02]

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Conclusion

This episode offers an incisive dive into the political and legal fight over the US census and representation, with a blend of skepticism and wit regarding the continuous intrigue over the Epstein files. Rich in expert analysis, the show is anchored by a major guest interview and enlivened by the hosts’ signature banter, making it an engaging listen for anyone invested in the intersection of law, politics, and pop culture.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Travis Buck, Sucks Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Friday Edition 800-282-2882. You can always react to everything that we are talking about or have talked about all week long and beyond. Bunch of big news stories out there. We have been discussing Don Lemon and the fact that it may be the best thing for his career that he has been arrested for what he did in the church. We have been discussing it in the context of the precedent set on January 6th when the Biden administration charged multiple people who claimed to be affiliated with right wing organizations when they entered that that facility, the Capitol, on that day. And I think it's actually a super interesting dynamic associated with with that the president has been taking from inside of the Oval Office as he has announced, among other things, a new IndyCar race that's going to take place in Washington, D.C. it'll be the first race, according to Sean Duffy, the Secretary of transportation since an 1801 horse race. Several other things that are out there, a lot of discussion about whether the president is going to do anything with Iran. Lots of questions coming about that for him just now in the Oval Office. We should mention the Luigi Mangioni case. That is the individual on camera who shot and killed the healthcare CEO of UnitedHealthcare. He has been determined not to be standing trial for the death penalty. So they have decided not to go after the maximum penalty associated with that. But the other story that is substantial today is, is we have had 3 million pages of the Epstein files released, hundreds of thousands as well, documents, videos and, and pictures. And here is Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch discussing that. I would say about what do you think 5% of this audience, Buck is just completely obsessed with the Epstein files. That's all they want to talk about. Maybe it's 10% relatively small part of the audience that this is the most important thing to them. But for those of you of whom this is the most important thing to you. Cut 1. Todd Blanche on the Epstein files today.

[Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch]

We are producing more than 3 million pages, including more than 2,000 videos and 180,000 images in total. That means that the department produced approximately three and a half million pages in compliance with the act. We erred on the side of over collecting of materials from various sources to best ensure maximum transparency and compliance, which necessarily means that the number of responsive pages is significantly smaller than the total number of pages initially collected. That's why I mentioned a moment ago we're releasing more than 3 million pages today and not the 6 million pages that we collected.

[Clay Travis]

All right, second, by the way, second part of this and then I'll react to that. He also said any Epstein document that would jeopardize active federal investigations not being released cut to want to address what we didn't produce.

[Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch]

The categories of documents withheld include those permitted under the act to be withheld. Files that contain personal personally identify information of victims or victims personal and medical files and similar files, the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy. Any depict of CSAM or child pornography was obviously excluded. Anything that would jeopardize an active federal investigation. And finally, anything that depicts or contain images of death, physical abuse or injury also not produced.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, Buck, so this is probably not going to. The reality is the Epstein people are never going to be satisfied. Every time that there is a substantial release of a tranche of documents, there's going to be a discussion about oh, they held things back. Oh, the COVID up is ongoing. I give credit. I don't even think we talked about this. The New York Times Magazine actually had a huge piece probably three, four weeks ago, I would guess that went into what I think is the most intriguing question, which is how did Jeffrey Epstein actually make all of his money? And they did a pretty good job of tracing where that money came from, I thought. Because again, his estate ended up being worth nearly $700 million and a lot of it. Buck seems like almost that he just bullied and, and cajoled and kind of created this situation where Lex Wexner, who was the founder of Victoria's Secret, kind of signed over all of his, you know, basic right rights as an attorney. You know, basically gave over power of attorney, power of attorney to Epstein and Epstein was running a lot of his stuff. And anyway, I don't think this is going to quiet the people who were obsessed with Epstein because I'm just telling you the truth, I don't think you're ever going to get some huge indictment that brings all the charges that you had been hoping you were going to get. I think you were talking about this in the context of the JFK files. I think if that evidence had existed, they would have used it long ago. I would point out that Biden had all of these documents for four years. And all of the Democrats who claim that they care so much about Epstein now didn't demand that Biden release those documents for four years. They only see it as a political cudgel to wield against Trump. And so that is what I would say is going to be the outcome of these millions of documents as they are released today.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's all accurate. I don't.

[Clay Travis]

The only thing, by the way, we've disagreed on so far in the show is Martha Stewart, which is very, very funny.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, when you can issue your correction before the end of the show and we can just let bygones be bygones. But clearly Martha Stewart peaked before she got arrested.

[Clay Travis]

We agree on the, on the Don, limit everything. We agree on Epstein, we disagree on Martha Stewart. But sorry, I cut you off, I just think that's funny. But you basically agree with. No, it's all right because I think it is the take.

[Buck Sexton]

I think there was too much agreement here and you decided to take one for the team by taking the clearly incorrect take on Martha Stewart, which is, you know, that's the kind of team player you are and it'll just take time for you to come around and delight on that one. In the meantime. Yeah, on the Epstein situation, on the things that really matter today on the show, there's just, there's nothing that's going to come out of this of any significance. No one's going to prison. Nothing's coming out of it. That's just the deal. And I don't know what to say other than this is the, this is a huge document dump millions more pages. Someone's going to have to go through them. Now, I will say this. It's not hard to go through them because of AI. Now you can scan through a million pages like this is not something that you would need a hundred paralegals paid, you know, 50 bucks an hour. You can go through this very rapidly to look for certain things. So check for yourself if you want. There's nothing in there. If there was, someone would be telling you about it right now already because it's being released by the, by the doj. When I say there's nothing in there, I mean there's nothing that's going to be, oh my gosh, look at this. We finally found the foreign intelligence service that was running him. We finally found the super powerful individual who was involved in trafficking girls with him. We've. That's not going to be in there because doj think about what that would mean. DOJ would have had this stuff, had it for years, had the capability to go through it, released it, being like me and then let people just figure out what was really like. That doesn't make any sense. What I'm saying is if you want to believe that they held stuff back that does have that, fine. If you want to believe that there's a lot of stuff that they don't even have or that never even made it in these files, by the way, I think I co sign that, fine. But if you want to tell me that they have it, they released it and there's amazing nuggets of truth in there to finally bring this whole thing together that DOJ is not highlighting. I, I, I think that's very, very unlikely. That's, that's, that's kind of how I would assess this. We're talking about going through millions of pages by the way of documents. What 3 million was the number?

[Clay Travis]

3 million hundreds of thousands of images. I do think the, there will be emails maybe that come out that are embarrassing for people in positions of prominence to show what kind of relationship they had with Epstein. Meaning they emailed with him regularly and he was enmeshed very much in quote unquote elite society in many ways. But again, I think the likelihood of there being substantial impact here is, is minimal. And in order for there to be a cover up, the COVID up would have to cross all parties. Right. Barack Obama would have had to cover up Donald Trump, one would have had to cover up Joe Biden, two, one would have had to cover up and Trump too would have had to cover up. My argument on it is Democrats and Republicans agree on virtually nothing. And if you think that there had been damning information in the Epstein files against Trump that they wouldn't have used against him during this entire last decade of his political career. I just think that's bonkers. So look, I think this is a rich dude. I think that he used his wealth to, to get access to other super wealthy people and he was preying on a lot of young women utilizing his wealth. I think one reason they're not putting out documents to buck. It's hard to know some of these girls in These photos, these 15, 16, 17 year old girls, they don't want suddenly their images out on the Internet where you're trying to recover from the fact that you had an interaction with Epstein back in the day and suddenly everywhere is your photograph with Epstein when you were a minor like this is a big part of trying to figure out. I think that's probably the most challenging part of this.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, also, I think that a lot of the individuals who have already, it's been shown, proven that they were in close and continuing friendly contact with Epstein even after the initial sex offender registry. All of that stuff, you know, Clay, some of them would. Would probably say if pushed, you know, yeah, he had connections. He had a. He had a jet and he had connections into Les Wexner and Victoria's Secret models who.

[Clay Travis]

Of age.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. Like women in their early 20s, mid-20s. You know, I. They'll say that the part of him that was interesting was that either Epstein was just so charming or the Victoria's Secret connection. Meaning. Meaning, again, of age women. And that they had no idea about the underage women. They had no idea about the sex trafficking.

[Clay Travis]

And it's very.

[Buck Sexton]

Without proof, it's very hard to disentangle that. And in some cases, I think that actually is true. I mean, look, Trump knew him, for example. I don't think Trump knew anything about any underage, sketchy stuff going on or illegal stuff going on. Trump was the one who kicked him out of Mar a Lago, but we know that he was rubbing elbows with the most powerful people in the entire. Really, the entire world. Because when you say the most powerful in America, you're really saying the world.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And so then it's, well, who. Who was with them for the wrong reasons or who was with them for reasons that would make them a coconspirator and something criminal. And I don't think that's in the pages. This is my. This is where I get back to him. I think you're right. There may be more. Was it like Larry Summers? There's a bunch of emails between them.

[Clay Travis]

Gates and some of these guys that clearly had a personal relationship with. With Epstein. They were regularly emailing him. I think probably some of that will come out and continue to be embarrassing, But I don't think there's going to be any sudden bombshell where everybody says, oh, my goodness, this changes everything relating to the Epstein charges. And look, I'm curious what the. The ep.

[Buck Sexton]

The Epstein core in this audience, like the people that really want Epstein files. Core, I should say, that really want this stuff to come out. Is today meaningful? I've sort of been here all along where I feel like anything that they had that would have been meaningful, we would have known about a long time ago. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm wondering, to those who just want the transparency who want this process. Is today a step in the right direction? Not nearly enough. Still part of a cover up. I, you know, let us know on the talkbacks in the emails.

[Clay Travis]

I'm curious because I don't guarantee you it's still argument. They're going to argue it's a cover up. Like there's nothing that could occur that is going to change the mind of people who believe that Epstein was the leader of a crazy cabal of.

[Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Like an international pedo ring running the world. Yeah, I mean he was running international underage sex trafficking. I mean that, that is true. But you know, who else was involved and how much power did they have and were there any foreign countries that knew about this? That's all still very much talked about. I will say though, Clay, to those who feel that way, they have some there's a lot of data points even over the last year that are the way this was handled was really, really bad. And now it's a question is it was it handled this way out of stupidity and incompetence or something else? People are always going to be able to make their own determinations about that. And I think that's fair because the way this was, the whole binders thing at the White House and everything, it was bizarre. And, and it's completely reasonable to say what the heck was that.

[Clay Travis]

It's the biggest failure of Trump 1 point, Trump 2.0. I don't even, I don't even know what a close second is right now. The way that they handled Epstein in the way Bondi, the influencers with the binders, I mean they looked like everyone involved in that looked like a moron.

[Buck Sexton]

It was bad. All right, we'll take your calls, your emails on that and we'll get into some more. And we when do we have Julie Kelly joining? Second hour, top of the hour, 2 o', clock, 2, 2 Eastern.

[Clay Travis]

Julie Kelly, you have the attorney general at the bottom of this hour buck to talk about the challenge to census rules that allows illegal immigrants to be counted.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

And Peacock, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We got kind of a quick turnaround here, so let's just let you know where we're going next. Going be talking to Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway and we'll be discussing the case of whether illegals should be counted for census purposes. I clearly think that this is insane. It's not what the founders intended. It benefits people who should not be benefiting from their presence there. And it's the whole thing is a mess. But Supreme Court's going to be taking this one up and that's major, major big deal. Mr. Clay, where do you think it's all heading?

[Clay Travis]

It's a great question. I think it is one of the most consequential cases. Remember, they're also analyzing majority minority districts and whether they're still constitutional or think the interplay of both of these could swing control of the House of Representatives in 2026 through the Supreme Court prism. We'll talk about this with Katherine Hanaway. Legally, big time impact.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show Friday Edition. A lot of you weighing in on a variety of different topics. One that I think is potentially transformative in terms of what it could mean for the House of Representatives, for what it could mean for our country, for what it could mean for the incentives that are out there when it comes to illegal immigration is the fact that in our census we count illegal immigrants for purposes of allocating House seats. That sounds very nerdy. I understand for many of you, but in a 5050 country it is a huge benefit for the Democrat party and means that they have several more House seats than they otherwise would we bring in. Now Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway, who is involved in suing based on this as it pertains to to census allocation. Did I do a good job of explaining that? Take a step back and, you know, you're talking no pressure to millions of people out there right now. What should our average listener know about why this matters to them in a simple way of explaining it?

[Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway]

Well, first, Clay and Buck, I just want to say thanks for having me on. I haven't been on your show before. I really appreciate the opportunity. Yeah, this is, I think, the most significant election lawsuit filed in probably a couple of generations. Because if we win, not only will 11 House seats be reallocated from places like California to places like Missouri, but with those House seats also go electoral votes. And the other thing that goes is any federal assistance, because federal assistance, all those dollars that flow from the federal government to states is based on census data. And right now, we're counting illegal immigrants in the census. President Trump tried to put an end to that in 2020 while he was still in office, but then when Biden won that election, he reversed it and counted illegal immigrants in the 2020 census. We're saying we should go back, take him out of that census, and certainly should not count them in the 2030 census.

[Buck Sexton]

So what in terms of the statutes, and appreciate you being with us here, Attorney General Hanaway, what is the language that governs here? Who should be counted? I mean, we need to get in. Clay's excited, and I'm asking some pretty nerdy legal questions here. What. What tells us, you know, because to me it sounds like, well, if you're counting illegals, are you also at a place like New York City, you going to count every tourist visa? Are you going to count every. Like what? Like what. What is the statutory dispute here as it pertains to who actually is supposed to get counted?

[Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway]

Yeah, so it's actually the 14th amendment to the US constitution says that persons shall have the right to vote and shall be counted in order to determine how many congressional districts there are. Persons is then defined by later case law to mean permanent. Permanent legal residents of the United States. So no one who's here on a temporary visa, no one who's a traveler, no one here who is here illegally. And during Jimmy Carter's administration, he just unilaterally told the Department of Commerce to start counting those illegals in the census. Thank goodness we have a president now who wants to reverse that, but we want to make it stick through a court decision, because as we know, he won't be president forever. And so we want to make this permanent.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. The biggest challenge, as you know, but I bet Most of our audience knows and if they don't, they're going to know now is getting the Supreme Court to take a case, right? They take a tiny percentage of the cases that are actually sent to them. A lot of times they take circuit splits. That is when some of the different circuits out there render different decisions. You are filing to try to get this case in front of the Supreme Court. How would you assess your chances of, of getting this case in front of the Supreme Court? And what does the law suggest to you they might do if you were able to get it to them?

[Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway]

So this is going to be really in the weeds, but I'll try and keep it as high level as possible. When President Trump in 2020 said we're not counting illegals in the census, two state attorney generals, one from California and another from another liberal state, sued to enjoin his action and were successful until it went all the way up to the US Supreme Court. While the court didn't take the case, they reversed those injunctions. So we don't have a big written opinion on it, but we do have an indication from the court that they don't believe that the states should be able to enjoin a president who is doesn't want to count illegals in the census. So that's our best indication of how the modern court will go. The older court decisions are very clear that only permanent legal residents of the United States should be counted.

[Clay Travis]

What's the time frame in your mind? Obviously, the 2030 census is the next time that this will be, you know, truly out there. But simultaneously, the Supreme Court, and this also goes into a little bit of the weeds, is expected to give a ruling on majority minority districts and whether they are able to exist. That could be very impactful. In terms of the midterms coming up, what's the timeframe in your mind of this analysis, particularly when it comes to who should be counted for purposes of the census?

[Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway]

Well, we have actually asked as one of the things we're asking for as relief that the $0.20 2020 Census be recalculated to exclude illegal immigrants, which if we could get it on a very expedited track, would mean it would have an effect in this election cycle. I think that's overly optimistic. I think it's more realistic that this case will get to the court in time for the 2028 elections. We are, we've actually filed a friend of the court brief in the Voting Rights act case that you just referred to for majority minority districts. I'm very optimistic that the court's going to decide that case, the right which should be helpful in redistricting some of these congressional districts that were gerrymandered for the sole purpose of making sure that they were majority minority districts.

[Buck Sexton]

And Ms. Attorney General, what do you think about just switching gears a little bit but staying within the Supreme Court and important cases that are coming up here, the birthright citizenship issue, I just was wondering if you could speak to that. I'm not sure if you filled filed an amicus brief on this or how involved you've been as ag, but what, what is your view as it pertains to the birthright citizenship issue?

[Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway]

You know, the, the history, case law and Constitution are a little bit less clear on this issue. I don't have a very strong sense of how that case is going to come out. Obviously, it's a critically important case to the extent that we have people who are coming illegally into the country for the sole purpose of giving birth and creating citizenship. It is a very serious issue that I hope the court is going to take up and resolve once and for all.

[Clay Travis]

These are all super important cases and I think a lot of people aren't in the weeds and understanding exactly how this is going to play out. But you mentioned it. If you go back to 2020, this would be utterly important not only for the 2026 elections, but if you could get a readdress of the 2020 census with only counting citizens, then the 2028 electoral college map would potentially change. This year. You think is optimistic, but it wouldn't be too optimistic to think that if you won we could have a different map in 2028 than what we had in 2024.

[Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway]

That's exactly right. And part of the reason we wanted to take the lead on this case is that we think that the judges in the Eastern District of Missouri right now are really strict constitutionalists, originalists who are going to enforce the U.S. constitution and it might be the best venue in the country for this case right now.

[Clay Travis]

This was outstanding stuff. We appreciate you reaching out, coming on and telling us this story. Please keep us updated when or if you are able to get this case to the Supreme Court. And we're wishing you the best of luck.

[Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway]

Thanks so much. Have a great weekend. Really appreciate the time.

[Clay Travis]

That is Missouri Attorney General Katherine Hanaway laying out look, that's you might you make it basically legal credit for the details there. But it is very important, very, very important.

[Buck Sexton]

Hugely consequential decisions and cases that she was laying out. But also you saying her Name made me think of another Catherine. Catherine o'. Hara. Did you see this?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I just saw this news just had. A lot of people are not going to know Catherine o' Hara's name necessarily, but they're all going to have seen her.

[Buck Sexton]

Kevin McAllister's mom from the movie Home Alone. She unfortunately just passed 71 years old. She was, she was actually a great comedic actress, I would argue. She's in so many. She's fabulous in a lot of movies. Really, really talented, kind of, I would argue, underrated. Although everyone will know her as Kevin McAllister's mom from the Home Alone movies.

[Clay Travis]

And Home Alone is one of those movies that if you have kids, buck your as your son gets older. One of the best things, and I know a lot of parents out there know exactly what I'm talking about is being able to sit down with your kids and watch these 1980s era movies that many us grew up watching. I think Home Alone came out like 1990 ish, something like that. It is, it holds up so well. It is still. Your young kids today will sit and watch Home Alone and they will like it as much as you did when you were a kid or as much as you did when you were a parent and you took them to see it. It is an iconic holiday classic that she did great work in.

[Buck Sexton]

And producer Greg is asking, how does Catherine o' Hara compare to Natalie Portman? Doesn't compare because Catherine o' Hara actually had talent as an actress and as a comedian, whereas Natalie Portman was just advanced for no apparent reason. And we're all supposed to think she's so beautiful and so great. Just saying. I'm just here speaking truth.

[Clay Travis]

Our friend Alexi Lawless texted me and he was like, you are 100% right about Natalie Portman. So I'm out of his mind. And he's coming.

[Buck Sexton]

You might see him. We're going to have this.

[Clay Travis]

You guys, you guys are having a brunch. I was going to say you might have to, you might, you might have to cancel the, the, the meeting coming up this weekend in Miami because Alexi's got the right taste here.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't know, I don't know what happened. It used to be like the maxim Hot 100, you know, like we used to all. We used to live in a country where we knew who the hot chicks were. And now you guys have just been, we've been fed slop. Nonsense.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking of slop and nonsense, I was going to have some fun with this. Twin Peaks has joined Hooters or going to a break here, but the restaurants are under siege. Buck, I thought this was still America. We come back. We'll take some of your calls. We'll continue to follow all these stories and our friend Julie Kelly is going to join us at the top of the next hour to talk about this Don Lemon arrest in the context of Jan6. A lot of legal related details today in the program. A lot of you are going to be able to to say you've got law degrees after today's program if you're paying close attention. But I want to tell you we got super bowl coming up next week. I'm going to be in California next week. Common land in both LA and San Francisco. And I'm going to be giving you a pick for prize picks. Over a hundred million people are going to watch the super bowl next week. A lot of you are going to play games. The square game. What's the score going to end up? A lot of you will be making bets on the game. I think nearly $2 billion forecast to be bet on the outcome of the Super Bowl. You can play along and have some fun. All you have to do is pick more or less when it comes to overall performances out there in prize [e-mail] all 50 states. California, where I'm traveling to, Texas, where we're going to be going to in a few weeks. Florida where Buck is, Georgia, everywhere. All 50 states. If you're feeling left out, you can play along. Alabama prizepix.com Code Clay that's prizepix.com Code clay. You can get hooked up right now with a phenomenal offer. You play $5, you get back $50. All you have to do is pick more or less two or more players. I'll give you a pick, maybe multiple picks for the super bowl and all of you can play along and hopefully we will win like we won last weekend in the NFC championship game. That is PricePicks.com Code Clay prizepix.com Code.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. I'm gonna tell you all something right now. Our wonderful radio affiliates all across the country, we love you. We also love being able to show you the babies, though, and that's why YouTube is important. Go to YouTube.comclayandbuck because you will see double. I'm sorry, folks, Double Baby, right now on the Clay and Buck show, we have two. How old is. How old is that? That's not James. James is like driving now. Which one is this one?

[Clay Travis]

This is. This is Annie, who is, I think only four months old right now. She's just four months old. So Katie, who is my awesome assistant and has been with us now for 11 years, she has two babies or one, well, one two and a half year old. He probably wouldn't like to be called a baby. And then we've got a four month old, and she's in the studio most days. Unfortunately, Buck, her family is among the many families out there that have been dealing with the power being out in Nashville. Just a total failure by the Nashville electric service. And so they've been running around like a lot of families are out there. But she is in studio today. So you have the first ever Double baby, which is a shameless pro promo for the YouTube channel. And you will have heard of Double.

[Buck Sexton]

Rainbow from online fame. This is Double Baby. Even better than Double Rainbow. So there you go. And here, look at it.

[Clay Travis]

He's.

[Buck Sexton]

He goes right for the mic every time. I'm just telling you. Oh. He's like, it's my mic now. Wow.

[Clay Travis]

Whoa.

[Buck Sexton]

Now he's saying, mommy, we're going to do important political analysis here. See, he grabs daddy's beard, though. The beard, Clay, as you realize, as you know, is a handle actually, like, that's where you get.

[Clay Travis]

No, it's. It's totally a handle for everybody out there. And we may have a crying baby coming here in just a sec.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, we got. We got.

[Clay Travis]

And the.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, the dog now has come in the room, too. I'm not going to hold the dog up here. Oh, maybe I will, actually. Here. It's a special Friday.

[Clay Travis]

Come here, Ginger Spice. All right. We had to. Oh, now we got dogs. This is just shameless YouTube. This is YouTube farming. YouTube farming to do everything we can to get. To get subscribers. Babies, dogs, whatever else is out there, we'll do. You know what I mean?

[Buck Sexton]

You know, if Sydney. If Sydney Sweeney's gonna be selling lingerie, we're gonna use babies and puppies to sell YouTube, you know what I'm saying? Like, we gotta do what we gotta do over here.

[Clay Travis]

I think she's got better assets than us. 800-282-2882. We got a bunch of people who want to talk back. Podcast listener Jason Cut B. A lot of you weighing in on a variety of different topics.

[Jason (Caller)]

Here's Jason, this conversation about Natalie Portman reminds me of an episode of the Office where they're debating if Hillary Swank was hot or not. And Clay is correct. You did take a 2x4 Denali Portman. We might as well start calling him Hacksaw Buck Sexton, after the great wrestler Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

[Buck Sexton]

I loved Hacksaw.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, he was so.

[Buck Sexton]

I love Hacksaw Jim Duggan. I was like a super Hacksaw fan in the day. Also, it's Hillary Swank from that episode of the Office that they were arguing about. And Kevin was right mid.

[Clay Travis]

Mid. I actually agree that Hillary Swank's not that hot. By the way, podcast listener Joe from Kansas. We agree on that. Buck, you confuse him. Cut a.

[Listener or Guest]

You know, there are days that I think Buck is so manly and he's so right and all these things. He's talking about his guns, he's doing the training. Then he brings up stuff like pistachio ice cream. Then he tells me that Natalie Portman isn't that pretty. Like, I just don't know what to do with this on a day after he didn't know who Past Summerall is. My God, I'm glad you two have each other in Clay. I'm glad you're there for.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, just to be clear, I got to keep you on your toes, all right? I can't just be all one way or all the other. We. You got to listen in every day. You never. This is one thing. You never know what you're going to get on the Clay and Buck show. Unlike some other big shows on YouTube, we don't ever read off a prompter and pretend we're just monologuing. Keep an eye out for that one, everybody. More common than you think.

[Clay Travis]

It is staggering to me how many people have teleprompter. I've got a yellow legal pad. For better or worse. That's the whole notes. We'll be back. Final hour of the week. Next.

[Buck Sexton]

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