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Riley Gaines
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.
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Clay Travis
How about something about a comedic tone?
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Jack Armstrong
We have a winner.
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Joe Getty
Yes.
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Jack Armstrong
Listen to Armstrong. You get it on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Marty Makary
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair.
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Riley Gaines
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
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Marty Makary
Please do to hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jack Armstrong
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Podcast.
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Joe Getty
Welcome in hour number two. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Buck not feeling well. He'll be back tomorrow. I am rolling solo with you here on the Tuesday after Memorial Day weekend. And we have been breaking down a if you missed it earlier today, the COVID shot has been pulled off the recommended shot list for kids and pregnant women. A lot of you out there are saying finally, and you're very thankful that you never got any of the COVID shots for your kid or yourself, or you are resentful that because of where you were going to school or where you worked, that in order to maintain your employment or maintain your school eligibility, you had to get the shot. And we bring in now Riley Gaines. We got a lot to dive into with her, but Riley Let. Let me take you back in time with COVID for a minute before we get into the. The craziness of the. Of the sports universe in terms of men competing as women. You guys, you were a University of Kentucky SEC champion swimmer. What do you remember about what you guys had to do during COVID Because I think a lot of this is just getting totally memory hold. If I remember correctly, you guys had to wear masks sometimes between laps or craziness for swimming. What was it like?
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Clay Travis
Even at uk, you know, saying it out loud now, you almost forget you lived it. You almost forget the insanity, the nonsensicalness of it. Covid hit, of course, in March of 2020, which was the end of my sophomore year, bar the fact we were robbed of an NCAA championships that year, which, of course, is the meet you work all year. It's the meet you work all your life. For about three days before we were supposed to leave, that meet was very suddenly and swiftly canceled. We were sent home for a few months. We eventually got to come back to school. And upon returning, of course, it was the immediate mandatory vaccines. It was the contact tracing. I mean, they made it miserable. We couldn't go to class. They told us. Me specifically being that I was the team captain. They told me I had to get the vaccine or else I'd be hurting my team. Of course, this didn't sit right with me, right? Being young, being healthy. I'd already had Covid at that point, which, being a biology student, I understood the antibodies to be the most natural and best form of immunity. So I pushed back on this, and I said, no, I don't. To which I said, well, can you define mandatory for me? And that is when they lost the plot. It was almost as if they hadn't prepared for what to say. They weren't given a script of what to say when asked this question. And so that's when they responded back, well, we really mean highly suggested. And I said, well, you can take that and shove it because I'm not getting the vaccine. But let me tell you, Clay, the rest of my collegiate career, so all of my junior year, all of my senior year, they made it miserable for me. I had to go to testing every single week. They made it at 5am to make it what they described as inconvenient for us. I had to wear a mask in the weight room. We did have to wear a mask in between laps when we got out of the water on the pool deck. I mean, we essentially waterboarded ourselves every single day for the Next years, you.
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Joe Getty
Had to wear masks between laps in the pool.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, they tried everything. I mean, they thought of things like, we'll have some people start on one end of the end of the pool. We'll have other people start on the other end of the pool, will alternate lanes. I mean, like I said, none of it made sense again. And we're playing a sport. We're in chlorine, right. Which is going to kill any sort of, you know, germ or whatever it is. So all of it, from top to bottom, was utterly ridiculous. And we all recognize it to be true. But I will say people got the vaccine out of convenience to make it easier for them to be able to compete. I remember they sat me down and they said, riley, you know, again, you're the team captain. We have a big meet against University of Alabama, a big SEC rivalry. You're not going to get to go if you don't get the vaccine. To which, again, I. I just. I knew that was BS and so I said, that's fine. I won't go then. And of course I got to go to University of Alabama. And no, I never got the vaccine.
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Joe Getty
And I bet you're glad that you did. And let me. Let me kind of build on this, too. So many young people. I think I started off the program talking about the lies that were told about COVID and I think certainly the lies that were told about Biden. But you mentioned something that I think is important. I know there's a lot of people out there listening that have kids, grandkids, may have happened to you out there listening as well. I still can't get my hands wrapped around it totally. You were around 20, right, in March of 2020 when all this chaos started? Roughly.
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Clay Travis
That's right. That's right.
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Joe Getty
Can you imagine if you had been 16 instead? Because it sucked for you at 20. But imagine that it is March of 2020. You are gearing up for whatever spring sport you're involved in in the country right now. You're gearing up for your junior year of prom, prom season, all that. 16, 17, 18. I talk now to kids on college campuses, Riley, and I'm sure you do, too. In many parts of the country, these kids went home in March of 2020 as 16 year olds, and they basically didn't see the kids they went to high school with in a big group again in many parts of the country until they graduated the next year in June of whatever it would have been 2021, 2022, some of these places. So you miss your junior year, end of year, you miss everything that happens during your senior year. For everybody out there listening, think about how transformative usually your 16, 17, 18 year old era is. It is not surprising to me that there are so many kids out there that are angry about what was taken from them. You're close to that same age. You're on college campuses all the time. Do you hear that from kids today?
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Clay Travis
I hear that all the time. Not only from, from my peers, from my friends, from people I had classes with, but Clay. I've got a younger sister and a younger brother. My brother was about that 16 year old age group during the time of COVID in 2020 and he was in the middle of his football season. They were on pace to be state champions. He went to Donaldson Christian Academy. That all of that was taken from them. My little sister, she was in middle school, transitioning to high school. I mean, it was horrible. My oldest sister, she graduated college from ole miss in 2020. So they had this virtual graduation where she got to walk the stage. So they called it virtually where everyone sat on Zoom. It was the craziest thing. And even now, again, let's say four years post Covid era, the way the educational realm has changed is, I mean, transformative. It is totally different. My sister's high school experience, again, she will be a junior next year in high school. Her experience now is totally different than when I was in high school. Granted, now it's getting kind of up there, what, eight or so years ago. But even still, totally, totally different experience that my younger sister has had compared to the experience that I had in high school.
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Joe Getty
So the data is out there that young people overwhelmingly broke in the direction of Trump in 2024. Young men in particular. You mentioned you have a brother. I've got three teenage boy or two teenage boys, one 10 year old. But I see it from all of them that they're just fed up, they're angry. And I think it's not only Covid, it's the lies that they were told. And I want to share this. Earlier today, Trump sent out a truth post and said California, under the leadership of radical left Democrat Gavin Newsom, continues to illegally allow men to play in women's sports. This week, a transition male athlete at a major event won everything, now qualified to compete in the state finals next weekend. As a male, he was less than an average competitor. As a female, this transition person is practically unbeatable. This is not fair. Totally demeaning to women and girls. He then calls out the governor. Newsom who has said is unfair. He says I will speak with him today to find out which way he wants to go. In the meantime, I'm ordering local authorities, if necessary, to not allow a transition person to compete at the state finals. This is a totally ridiculous situation. Can you believe years after you swam against Leah Thomas, now what, three years ago, if I remember correctly, that we are still in a position where, if anything, Democrats have hardened their stance on this being okay, you know what, Clay?
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Clay Travis
I truthfully imagined. I knew this, of course, would be an election issue. It would get us through November of 2024, but I really believed that of course we would see this red wave, which we saw. And I believed after that the Democrats would slowly begin to recant, to distance themselves from their voting records, from their positions. They've taken on totally outlandish crazy stuff such as men and women's sports. But that is not at all all what they have done. They have doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on this insanity. I love how Trump words it. He is so plain in his language, of course, which is another reason why I think specifically young people love him, are drawn to him. He's so authentic. He says as a male, he was less than an average competitor. And that's so true. That is virtually the case in every scenario, every situation, every circumstance where we see this happening. We don't see it going the other way. It is virtually always mediocre boys, mediocre men who couldn't hack it in their own division or maybe ranking in the bottom of the barrel, right? They switch over to the women's league and they substantially skyrocket in the rankings, whatever that system may be at the state level, in case in what he's describing here in California, this boy by the name of A.B. hernandez, maybe, I'm sure you remember, Clay, about a week or so ago, a video went viral of this young girl who plays second in California. Her name is Reese Hogan in the triple jump. But it was only after everyone exited the podium with the man, of course, standing atop the podium where she jumps on the first place podium. And I thought that was the most remarkably brave display that really we've seen thus far. I mean, we've seen some pretty awesome things, right? Like I think of the girls in West Virginia, the middle schoolers who boycotted in shot put, which Outkick was the first to report on, by the way. I think of several instances of girls boycotting. But this, I thought was really the perfect way to embody and highlight that that man atop the podium was a total fraud and everyone recognizes it.
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Joe Getty
You got into it with Jemele Hill a little bit over the weekend. Jemel Hill is a crazy person who used to work at espn. Just kind of the female version maybe of Keith Olbermann, who you've also gotten into at over with. I just three years ago, if only women had swam in your NCAA championship, where do you think you'd be?
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Clay Travis
Well, my plan, when I was post graduating from University of Kentucky, I was in dental school, actually set to specialize in endodontics. So root canals, basically. That's what I had planned. That's what I was set to do. That's what I prepared to do. I scored in the top percentile of the DAT nationally, which is the dental admissions test, the test to get into dental school. I had been awarded tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship funds to continue my education in dentistry. So that was certainly the plan. I had married my husband. Our life would look a whole lot different had that man, that six foot four again, as President Trump words it, mediocre man, not been in the pool with us, in the locker room with us that day.
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Joe Getty
So I think this is so important because you get attacked, I think unfairly and I'm sure on a level that you never would have ever anticipated for just being a woman who believes women's sports should be made up of women. And I love when I see your tweets, J.K. rowling. Just fearlessness, because this is not a complicated issue. But the only reason you have ended up doing what you are doing is because, one, you're fearless, but two, you dealt with this directly and you never want any other girls or women to ever have to deal with this either. And yet you get attacked for that. I just think it's really important to hammer home.
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Clay Travis
That's it. That's it. That's the stance that I've taken. Of course, I've been painted to be this super radical, crazy right wing grifter, as Jamel Hill would call it. But I mean, I still live my daily life, like with my husband, with my family, with my animals and my dogs. We live on a flower farm. Like, I'm still me. The only, I guess, radical position that I've taken is that men cannot become women and that there are two sexes and that each sex is deserving of equal opportunity, of privacy and of safety. But several times now, of course, you have Keith Olbermann. I genuinely think this man is like, needs to be in an asylum somewhere. I don't think he's stable like we should be doing, like, welfare checks on him every November 5th. But you've got Jamel Hill, who has told me on multiple occasions now over the past few years that I need to thank Lia Thomas every single day of the rest of my life for getting me famous again. Reminder, I did not ask for this. I did not want this. I simply took a position that 99, 100%, really, of common sense people have taken, and I would say 90 to 95% of everyday common sense Americans who, I mean, it's a position they take, too, but they just weren't willing to say it three years ago. Now, you compare that to 2025, and the landscape has shifted, Right? People, of course, are becoming more bold, more willing to say what everyone already knows to be true. And with that, the response that we see from the left, from the other side, people who don't have common sense, people who vehemently hate women, people like Jamel Hill, former ESPN host, of course, that is to increase as well. So I say bring it on. Lots of things that, that bother me, that scare me, but Jamel Hill and her professional race baiting certainly isn't one of them.
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Joe Getty
I love the easy question of. And I've used this, and I think it just really, I would encourage you guys to deploy it in your own life. People attack you on this issue, just say, hey, I don't think men should be able to compete in women's sports. That's my opinion. That's your opinion. That's the opinion of a lot of people listening out to us right now. Isn't it amazing how rarely, if ever, anybody on the left attacking you will ever say what their opinion on the issue is?
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Clay Travis
Of course. And it's because I believe deep down they don't think it either. Right. These Democrats, whether it's these elected officials, people in Congress, whether it is people like Jamel Hill, especially actually, people like Jamel Hill, sports reporters who understand, who have been reporting on both men's and women's sports for decades, for years. Of course, they don't believe that men can magically become women with the same physical capabilities. Of course they don't believe that. But for some reason, it has just been this Hill that they are willing to die on. I don't know if it's the virtue signaling. I don't know if it's the fear of the wrath from the other side. I don't know if they're so bought into this oppression Olympics that they're willing to proclaim it subtly. Right. But you're right. People like Jemele Hill. I asked her the other day, you know, great to hear from you. This is the stance that I've taken. Would love an answer from you. You know, you're a self proclaimed women's sports enthusiast. How do you feel about men competing in women's sports? And I followed it up by saying silence is an answer to which of course she did not answer the question. So that makes it very clear to me where she stands on this.
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Joe Getty
Riley, happy belated Memorial Day weekend. Keep up the fight and we appreciate the time today and encourage everybody out there to follow Riley. You can see her shows many different places including outkicks here on Fox News all over the place. Riley, good stuff.
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Clay Travis
And you and by the way, congratulations on your book. Super awesome endorsement. Very, very excited for you.
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Joe Getty
Thank you. That is Riley Gaines encourage you to follow her. We'll share all the contact if you're not already following her. And yes, you mentioned got a new book coming out. President Trump endorsed it. I'll read you that endorsement over the weekend. Over the weekend he endorsed it. I'll read it for you here in a little bit. Good reason why so many people choose to have a will made. One of them is you don't want to burden your family members with the uncertainty of your final wishes when your life ends. You want a will so your wishes are clear and followed. You might also want to trust you can take care basically of all of the challenges associated with whatever you leave behind financially possessions wise by just getting everything written out in advance. It takes away a lot of the stress from your family, maybe a lot of the squabbles over who gets what and unfortunately happens you need a will and a trust. And you can go to trust and will calm. They make it simple, affordable and an easy result for peace of mind and clarity in the future for you and your family. The website again, trust and will. Com. I've done this for my family. You should do it for yours. They're experts in creating personalized trusts and wills that protect your legacy. That's trustandwill.com.
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Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.
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Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
- [19:39]
Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.
- [19:43]
Clay Travis
How about something about a comedic tone?
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Jack Armstrong
We have a winner. Yes, Listen to Armstrong. You geti on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Marty Makary
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
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Jack Armstrong
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
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Joe Getty
No.
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Riley Gaines
No one was let go.
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Marty Makary
It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
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Riley Gaines
And I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second, I'm going to ask.
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Marty Makary
I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Riley Gaines
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
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Marty Makary
Please do to hear the whole story. Listen to Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joe Getty
We got a quick turn here because we got so fired up with Riley, but we're gonna be joined by FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary today announcing that kids should not be getting the COVID shot recommendation. We will talk about that with him and more. He's been on the show quite a lot, but good get given that news that just came out. We'll talk with him here momentarily. In the meantime, you have family vacation this summer. The IRS may have other plans because they could be coming after you for more tax dollars. Don't panic. Call the experts at rush tax resolution, 877-554-rush. That's 878-77554 rush. If you own a business and are behind on your taxes, get personal. Great advice. These guys can handle you. No cost up front. Call them right now. 877-554-RUSH. That's 877-554-7874 rush tax resolution dot com. We are joined now by a man who had a major announcement, part of a trio that had a major announcement. Breaking down the absolute latest on the COVID shot. Dr. Marty McCary, FDA commissioner. He's author of Blind Spots When Medicine Gets It Wrong and what It Means for Our Health. We had him on this program quite a lot during the COVID era. He is fantastic. Congrats. I don't remember if we've had you on since you were officially confirmed, but congrats on becoming FDA commissioner, Dr. Makary. And what can you tell us about what you guys just announced this morning? We played the audio, but what exactly should people out there know about kids and Pregnant women when it comes to the COVID shot.
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Riley Gaines
Well, great to be with you, Clay, and it's good to be back on your show. You know, we are bringing back gold standard science and common sense. And we've got a dilemma in this country, and that is the government keeps pushing every year that every healthy young girl needs a shot every year for the rest of their life. And the regulatory process has been set up such that no clinical trial or clinical data needs to be submitted each year for the FDA to rubber stamp these Covid shots for young, healthy people. And so we're bringing back science to the process. We are saying that in order for this shot to be approved by the FDA in healthy people, we need to see some clinical trial data to support that it works and that it's safe and effective. We can't just blindly rubber stamp these applications each year in perpetuity forever. There was a theory that people could benefit from these shots each year. The theory is unproven. We'd like to see some scientific support.
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Joe Getty
When you look back now on Joe Biden saying things like, our patients is wearing thin and that we were gonna have a winter of death, will there ever really be any consequences? I know Joe Biden's no longer president, but for people out there who felt pressured because of the actions of the federal government, I'm still angry about it. I know probably you still are. I know a lot of our audience is, is this to you, the things that are happening now, a form of sort of resolution and restitution for people out there who feel like they were led astray?
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Riley Gaines
Well, I. People want closure because they feel that they've been lied to about some of the issues around Covid and the vaccine mandates, the vaccine booster mandates for college kids who are completely healthy. And so when you look at what's happening today, you've got this medical elite still living on an island disconnected from most of the American public. You have statistics that are mind boggling that speak to that disconnect. Like 85% of health care workers did not get the COVID booster last season. So on one hand, we've had this government medical establishment machine pounding and insisting that everybody gets a booster every year for the rest of their life, even if they're totally healthy. And a public that has basically moved on and said, no, thank you, we don't really trust you as much anymore. If you look at the numbers on public trust, they've really gone down the toilet. The amount of the percent of Americans that trust doctors and hospitals went from 71% just before COVID to 40% last year. That's a gigantic 31 point drop. And it's because the worst thing you can do in the field of medicine is to put out a recommendation with intense absolutism when the data just is not there to support it. It's an idea, it's a theory.
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Joe Getty
I'm so glad that you have the role that you do now because you were right on so much and you were willing to take the slings and arrows that came with it. So was Dr. Bhattacharya. So was RFK Jr. I give credit to the Wall Street Journal editorial board, to Buck's show, to this show, for places out there that were willing to have these conversations. How much personal validation now do you take for something that I'm sure when you were at Johns Hopkins was getting you unrelenting criticism to be in the position that you are in now alongside of Dr. Bhattacharya, who was very outspoken at Stanford in a way that he suffered a lot of personal consequences and certainly RFK Jr. Now, the three of you who made this announcement today, how much personal vindication do you feel and how much do you think you're vindicating science, which is about opposing ideas? People like the whole idea of science is to challenge conventional authority. That's the very basis of science itself. This world that we ended up in, where I'm the expert, you aren't allowed to challenge Dr. Fauci, saying, I am the science. It's actually the antithesis of everything that science in many ways should represent.
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Riley Gaines
Well, it's the censorship industrial complex that silenced expert physicians from respected academic institutions that simply disagreed with Dr. Fauci or asked questions about the absolutism of the COVID recommendations. That was an ugly chapter in our nation's history. And I hope we never go back there. We're doing a lot to promote transparency and civil discourse now. I hope we can rebuild trust and the scientific process of wrestling and debating on ideas. At the fda, we're doing a lot now with forums and bringing in people with different ideas to debate how we can do things differently, how we can address our chronic disease epidemic, how we can rethink our food supply. But to some degree, to be honest, Clay, I feel like we lost in some of the battles that we fought during COVID in the Biden administration. We fought like crazy to get the schools back open. And it was very divided, it was very polarizing, and for some crazy reason, it fell along. Part it shouldn't have. And we fought like crazy for the kids, and for the most part, we were not able to get the schools back open during most of that, you know, after the fall of 2020, for the next, for almost a year after that. So it's a sad chapter. You know, kids are still reeling back and they're. They're trying to recover. We have to, you know, almost rescue these kids now and give them special attention because of the learning loss. And I think the greatest untold story of battles was that the populations hurt. The worst were the poor and minority communities in the United States. I practiced at the time at Johns Hopkins and in East Baltimore. I mean, you close those schools and send the kids home with an iPad. It's not like your country club suburbs that are wealthy. And those kids took a horrible beating from these misguided COVID policies. So we're trying to rebuild public trust. Secretary Kennedy's got a great vision. Jay Bhattachary is doing it. Mehmet Oz is a transformational leader at cms, and we're doing everything we can at the FDA to focus on our mission of delivering more cures for the American public and healthier food for children.
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Joe Getty
What do you think, having been through these battles you just hammered? And I think it's the worst part of COVID frankly, is the fact that the poorest among us, the public school kids, I was a public school Kid, K to 12. A lot of them left and didn't come back to school for over a year in physical person. These are the kids that have the less resources, don't have private tutors, don't have the ability to go to private school like Gavin Newsom's kids do. When you hear Randy Weingarten now say that she was working super hard to try to reopen schools, what's your reaction?
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Riley Gaines
Well, her group edited the school opening policy of the CDC to make it stricter. And those edits were incorporated in the final version that was published by the Biden administration and the cdc. And that was tragic because you did not have a scientific document. You had a document that was interfered with by a special interest group at the expense of children. So there's a lot of lessons we should learn from COVID but I think the biggest lesson is that we should let scientists be scientists and do their job.
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Joe Getty
The announcement again today. You came on this show for years, and I want to give you credit. I mean, my two youngest kids were certainly not ever going to get the COVID shot based on the data. And we talked a lot about natural Immunity and the impact that it was going to have. It's been five years, and I know for many people out there, it feels still like the snap of fingers. What has to happen for public trust in health to return to where it was pre Covid?
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Riley Gaines
I think we have to be successful as a new team coming in. I think we have to be incredibly transparent. I think we have to address the big issues of our day that we are not talking about. You know, Covid was a snapshot into how you saw a ruling class in America create rules for themselves that benefited themselves. They could send their kids to private schools. The country clubs were booming throughout Covid. For a lot of the zoomocracy in America, they were going to work now in their pajamas on video conferencing, come to inner city Baltimore. It was an entirely different story. And you saw sort of the tyranny of the ruling class write rules for themselves. And it's not just with COVID It is also with the great public health issues of our day. Why do 40% of American kids have a chronic disease? If you think about what we've been taught in medical school, it's this weird dynamic where we sort of blame kids for being sick. We don't talk about the food supply, the availability of healthy foods, food chemicals, food ingredients, all the stuff that are coming up in the Make America Healthy Again report that came out a week ago. That is a fresh new perspective. Because we can't just keep talking about financing our broken healthcare system. We have to talk about fixing it. And to fix it, we have to get at these root causes. So we're changing the conversation from just talking about chemotherapy and insulin to actually talking about environmental exposures and the food we eat and school lunch programs. You're seeing action on the SNAP waivers by the USDA so that government dollars aren't going to all the sugary junk food. In the SNAP program, you're seeing some real movement we've never seen before. So to rebuild public trust, in my opinion, Clay, we'll do it best by succeeding at actually making progress on improving the health of the population by addressing these root causes.
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Joe Getty
Last question for you. When you are out traveling and we're talking to Dr. Marty Makary, the FDA commissioner, his book is I want to make sure that I get this right. The most recent book is Ali. Text me that again. I'll get it before we leave. Blind spots. When you still see people wearing masks, going on airplanes, when you still see kids sometimes. I can't believe this is happening. Still wearing masks. What do you think?
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Riley Gaines
Well, part of me thinks I don't know what their personal clinical situation is, but the other part of me thinks it may be somebody who's entirely young and healthy, who has been misled and given a false sense of security, that if they do this one mitigation step, that somehow they're going to help achieve a Covid zero world. Which remember, for a lot of COVID there was actually this mindset that we would get to zero Covid, that we would eradicate the virus. And so when I see somebody, I think I don't blame them. I blame the people who have given them the impression that if you wear a mask in public every day for the rest of your life as a young, healthy person, you're going to somehow live a healthier, greater life. Kids have had their face covered for nearly three years over some of this dogma in parts of the country. And the kids are sad. I mean, the kids are one in four teen girls is being treated for depression. And so there are statistics that tell us we've got to not just have a myopic focus on viral transmission of one virus, but instead treat the entire person as a living, beautiful human being. And that's where I hope we can go.
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Joe Getty
Dr. Marty Makary, congratulations, FDA commissioner. The book Blind Spots When Medicine Gets it Wrong and what it means for our health. Thank you for fighting so hard during COVID and thank you for fighting so hard for us. Still big announcement today. Appreciate the time.
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Riley Gaines
Good to be with you. Thanks, Clay.
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Joe Getty
Dr. Marty Makary, one of the heroes along with Dr. Bhattacharya. I hope that when history is written of the COVID era that guys like him and guys like Dr. Bhattacharya and many others who were willing to speak up against the tidal wave of inhumanity and anti science that their stories are a true story of heroism in the face of great deal of attacks. We'll talk about some of that when we come back. But look, you heard the great news on prescription drug prices earlier this month, right? President Trump has signed an executive order slashing the cost of prescription drugs. Going after the price gouging for drugs you're now getting with Obamacare. We've introduced you to a new health care partner, ease for everyone compared to Obamacare. Ease for everyone comes with a monthly cost as low as $262. You get access to over 400 prescription drugs for free, not just at a lower cost, but no cost, $0. Unlike the broken promise of Obamacare, you actually get to keep your doctor. Plus you get free unlimited virtual primary care. You can have affordable health care for as low as 262 bucks a month. Today. Go online to ease for everyone.com Clay and join today. That's ease for everyone.com Clay one more time. Save a bundle. Get the best deal for you and your family. Ease for everyone.com Clay join today.
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Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.
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Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy.
- [37:19]
Joe Getty
Modern world about something about a comedic tone.
- [37:24]
Jack Armstrong
We have a winner. Yes, Listen to Armstrong. You get it on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Marty Makary
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
- [37:42]
Jack Armstrong
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
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Joe Getty
No, no one was letting me.
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Marty Makary
It became known as the Iran Contra.
- [37:49]
Riley Gaines
Affair and I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second I'm going to ask.
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Marty Makary
I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast Fiasco Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Riley Gaines
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you. Please do.
- [38:24]
Marty Makary
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [38:33]
Joe Getty
My thanks to Riley Gaines and also to Dr. Marty Makary of the FDA. Back to back basic guest there. Take a couple of your calls here in a moment. Wanna tell you Crockett Coffee if you want to get hooked up right now, Crockett coffee.com go subscribe, use code book and you get an autographed copy of the book that I came out with a couple of years ago. We come back. President Trump has endorsed the new book I just finished which is going to be out on the one year anniversary of the 2024 election so in November. And I'll tell you what he said over the weekend if you haven't seen it already. Riley Gaines mentioned it, but I'd encourage you again crockett coffee.com use code book also go subscribe to the podcast. I can't tell y' all how good the podcast network we have built out here is. So many different perspectives, so many awesome perspectives out there that you guys are going to love. And you should go ahead and get subscribed because during the holiday season, it's now into summer, you're going to be on the road. You may be missing out otherwise on being able to listen on your normal stations as you travel. Boom. You can go into the podcast network and you'll find a ton of new podcast hosts in there that we have helped to to turn into a good audience for them as well. Mike in Nebraska, what you got for us, Mike?
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Riley Gaines
Hey, Clay. He told me to jump right in. So the COVID mask is nothing but virtue signaling it is the red mega.
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Jack Armstrong
Hat of the left.
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Joe Getty
I agree with you. Thank you for the call. In many ways, here's where I actually feel sad for those people. I don't feel sad if somebody's got a kid with making a political slogan on them or whatever. I feel really bad when I see people with kids traveling. And unfortunately, I still see it in masks because I think to myself that poor kids, I mean, their parent has no idea what's going on. They think that they are listening to the experts. And really, one of the most important things that young kids can do is see mouths move. When it comes to learning how to speak, there are huge speech impediment issues that have become rampant. Melissa in San Antonio. Gotta get you in quick here.
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Clay Travis
Hi.
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Riley Gaines
Yes, there's so much investigation going on on both sides, but at what point.
- [40:58]
Clay Travis
Do we finally go, you know what?
- [41:00]
Riley Gaines
Nobody's going to be held accountable.
- [41:01]
Clay Travis
Nothing's going to be done. Yes, you can deal with it at.
- [41:05]
Riley Gaines
The ballot box, but if it applies to me, and I would go to jail, why aren't other people going to jail?
- [41:11]
Joe Getty
Great question. We've talked about that with Rand Paul. We'll continue to talk about it with him. He says Fauci is going to be held accountable in some way. Talk about that more when we come back.
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Jack Armstrong
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- [42:10]
Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
- [42:11]
Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.
- [42:15]
Clay Travis
How about something about a comedic tone?
- [42:20]
Jack Armstrong
We have a winner. Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Getty on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:28]
Marty Makary
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
- [42:41]
Riley Gaines
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
- [42:46]
Marty Makary
Please do. To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:58]
Jack Armstrong
You're listening to an iHeart podcast.