Hour 2 - Sen. Rand Paul

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - Sen. Rand Paul
Date: April 14, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delves into two major themes:

• The political collapse and criminal allegations against former Congressman Eric Swalwell, including new details and reactions to the latest press conference by an accuser, as well as broader discussion of due process and #MeToo-style claims.
• A wide-ranging interview with Senator Rand Paul, addressing recent U.S. military action in Iran, the legal and constitutional questions of war authority, Kentucky and national politics, gun rights and the Second Amendment, voter ID law, and the American tax landscape.

The hosts maintain their trademark blend of serious political analysis with a conversational, sometimes wry tone, especially in dissecting legal standards and hyping major political implosions.

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1. Major Political Collapse: Eric Swalwell

(Segment start: 02:05)

Emerging Allegations & Public Reaction

• Buck and Clay react in real-time to news breaking about Eric Swalwell, former Congressman and onetime presidential candidate, facing new and highly detailed sexual assault allegations from Lana Drew during a Beverly Hills press conference.
• The hosts play, discuss, and attempt to clarify the accuser’s audio, highlighting the gravity and specificity of Drew’s claims:

  “I believe he drugged my drink. I only had one glass of wine. … I was already incapacitated and I couldn't move... He raped me and he choked me. And while he was choking me, I lost consciousness and I thought I died.” — Lana Drew, accuser [04:12]

Legal and Political Fallout

• The allegations represent a major escalation:

  “This is publicly accusing a congressman… of being a premeditated sexual predator. … This is the kind of thing that gets people sent to prison for the rest of their lives. So this is very serious.” — Buck Sexton [06:15]

• Discussion on the challenges of prosecution, statute of limitations, and the tension between taking accusations seriously and upholding due process:

  “It’s almost impossible seven or eight years later for him to prove that he’s innocent, even if he was 100% innocent of a crime here.” — Clay Travis [09:42]

#MeToo, Statutes of Limitations & Precedent

• The hosts compare this case to high-profile allegations against other political figures:

  • Comment on E. Jean Carroll’s case against Donald Trump and accusations faced by Brett Kavanaugh, expressing skepticism about the “believe all women” maxim.
  • Note new legal frameworks in New York and California that allow for prosecution years after the alleged crime.

  “How do you prove you did or did not kiss someone 30 years ago?” — Buck Sexton [10:18]

Further Allegations & Escalation

• Attorney Lisa Bloom, representing the main accuser, claims three other women have reached out with similar accusations since the press conference:

  “Three other women have reached out to me just since I announced this press conference yesterday.” — Lisa Bloom (as played on air) [41:24]

• Clay and Buck assess the political ramifications:

  “I expect that he will face criminal charges over sexual assault before all is said and done.” — Clay Travis [41:30] “Yeah, it’s the biggest political collapse… the fastest political collapse… I think we've ever seen for somebody.” — Buck Sexton [41:57]

Memorable Moment:
The hosts compare this moment to previous political implosions (notably Anthony Weiner) but argue that Swalwell’s case is on another level due to the criminal gravity and speed of the collapse. [42:04]

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2. Interview with Senator Rand Paul

(Segment start: 23:09)

Iran, War Powers, and U.S. Policy

• Senator Paul critiques the U.S. bombing campaign and stress on constitutional war powers:

  “The Constitution and our Founding Fathers were pretty clear that when you go to war, Congress needs to vote.” — Sen. Rand Paul [24:03]

• He questions the justification for recent military action and the practical effects, including economic impacts like rising oil prices.
• Paul advocates for a robust debate and congressional approval before entering armed conflict:

  “The soldiers that put their lives on the line deserve to have a full… debate and a vote on the floor of the Senate and the House before we go to war.” — Sen. Rand Paul [25:17]

Kentucky Politics & Endorsements

• Clay asks about upcoming primaries and replacements for Mitch McConnell. Paul throws full support behind Representative Thomas Massie:

  “I think Thomas Massie is unparalleled in being the best defender of the Constitution currently in the Congress.” — Sen. Rand Paul [27:06]

Nuclear Negotiations & The Strait of Hormuz

• Paul is hopeful but realistic that only tough negotiations and specific agreements will end the current U.S.-Iran standoff, especially regarding access to the Strait of Hormuz.

Second Amendment, Gun Ownership, and “Record-Low” Murders

• Clay: Notes 2025 set a record low for murders despite a record high number of legal firearms.
• Paul: Emphasizes lawful gun owners are “some of the most law-abiding people you’ll meet” and renews his call for national constitutional carry.

  “The idea of self defense to me is a God given right that shouldn’t be infringed.” — Sen. Rand Paul [31:23]

• Discussion of D.C./state patchwork laws and Paul's personal experience surviving the 2017 baseball field shooting.

Voter ID and the Save Act

• Paul supports voter ID and stricter mail-in voting, both federally and at the state level.

  “I think it should be a minimum to vote in our country that you have to present an id.” — Sen. Rand Paul [33:30]

Taxes and Income Distribution

• On the politics of taxation:

  “Under 50,000 you don’t pay income tax… When people say on the left… ‘the rich are not paying their fair share’, it’s the opposite. The rich are not only paying their fair share, they’re paying most of the income tax.” — Sen. Rand Paul [35:11]

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Due Process:

  “I don’t believe all women, I don’t believe all men. I think that is absolutely absurd that it was ever considered to be a thing that anyone of any intelligence would say.” — Clay Travis [10:44]

• On Political Fallout:

  “His political career is certainly over. What job is he going to get?” — Clay Travis [13:39]

• On Legal Culture Shift:

  “New York and California have decided to go with the ‘believe all women’ thing…which, for Spain did it largely so they could go after Trump.” — Buck Sexton [10:40]

• On Fiscal Realities:

  “We have a more progressive tax code in our country than they do in Sweden.” — Sen. Rand Paul [35:45]

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4. Important Timestamps

• 02:05 — Buck and Clay recap breaking news on Eric Swalwell’s political situation and allegations.
• 04:12 — Audio of Lana Drew’s allegation.
• 13:27 — Hosts discuss the near-total collapse of Swalwell’s career and impact on his family.
• 15:06 — Skepticism regarding the #MeToo movement’s legal and media dynamics.
• 23:09 — Interview with Sen. Rand Paul begins.
• 24:03 — Paul details constitutional war powers.
• 31:23 — Paul on gun rights as a natural, God-given right.
• 33:30 — Paul on voter ID and mail voting reform.
• 35:11 — Paul on tax distribution.
• 41:23 — Lisa Bloom reports additional accusations against Swalwell.
• 41:57 — Hosts reflect on the speed and scale of Swalwell’s collapse.

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5. Tone & Closing Thoughts

The episode switches between rigorous legal/political discussion and candid, often sharp commentary. Both hosts are clear in their skepticism of media narratives and advocate for due process, while also not shying from the seriousness of the allegations. The Rand Paul interview provides substantive policy perspectives across several hot-button topics.

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For listeners new to the episode, this hour offers:

• The latest, unvarnished developments in a major political scandal
• A constitutional and pragmatic take on current events with Senator Rand Paul
• Classic Clay & Buck: tough questions, skepticism of media narratives, and a focus on legal distinctions and evidentiary standards

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Transcript

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all right, welcome back into Clay and Buck's second hour kicks off now. Thank you for being here. We started off talking about the latest with Iran, the straight of Hormuz, Trump negotiations, J.D. vance, all of that, but also the Swalwell political collapse and now possible possible criminal charges on the horizon. I think you'd have to you'd have to say that is certainly something that could come down in the Days ahead here.

[Clay Travis]

A.

[Buck Sexton]

An absolutely ignominious. I think that would be the. Very well, yes, thank you. Ignominious collapse really, into. Into the abyss for Eric Swalwell, who was thought to just be the likely, almost shoo in Democrat nominee and therefore Democrat governor of California going forward, which is clearly a stepping stone for a Democrat to be president. Because Gavin Newsom, we all know, is gearing up for that. And that would make sense from the perspective of Buck.

[Clay Travis]

He ran for president. He was on the stage with Joe Biden and remember said that Biden was too old to be president back in the 2020 primaries.

[Buck Sexton]

I. I had forgotten that, honestly, until you reminded me of this, that he had run for president. And it also goes to show you, I think Clay, he was. He was so unserious as a presidential contender that maybe you could say that was why more of us didn't come out then. But he was being talked about as the next governor of California. And now there's a lot of interesting theories out there about the timing of this, who pushed this. But this is a public or rather an annihilation of a politician's future that has occurred all at once here very rapidly. And he has a new accuser. Remember, these are named accusers. They're coming forward. They're on the record. A new accuser here. Lana Drews. This is 32. The long. Yes, we have 32. This is Lana Drew. She just had a press conference as we were on air. So we were trying to cover this as it was happening. Play 32.

[Narrator/Intro Voice]

I had contact with Eric Swalwell on three separate occasions. After meeting him socially, he offered me connections to further my software company. And I also had an interest in local politics. He invited me to two public events. I knew he was married at the time and that his wife was pregnant. He was my friend. On the third occasion, I believe he drugged my drink. I only had one glass of wine. We were supposed to go to a political event and he said he needed to get paperwork from his hotel room. When I arrived at his hotel room, I was already incapacitated and I couldn't move my arms or my body. He raped me and he choked me. And while he was choking me, I lost consciousness and I thought I died. I did not consent any sexual activity.

[Buck Sexton]

Play. This is very. This is devastating allegation in public for sure.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Again, I don't know. The audio was not super crisp. I don't know if we can do a better job of. Of getting the audio in the event that some of you couldn't hear very clearly because I didn't hear it that clearly. But again, she just had that press conference in Beverly Hills, and what she said, if you did not hear that very well, again, she said she met him because she was interested in politics, met him twice, knew he was married and had. Was pregnant. His wife was pregnant, had one glass of wine, believe she was drugged, went back to his hotel and said basically she was incapacitated and did not consent to sex. We'll open up phone lines, by the way, and let people react to this, but this is a.

[Buck Sexton]

This is a whole other level.

[Clay Travis]

Different level than what the allegation. The San Francisco Chronicle reported this.

[Buck Sexton]

This is accused. This is publicly accusing a congressman. Former. Has he already resigned? Has that taken effect? Yeah, a former congressman and former gubernatorial candidate and former presidential candidate for the Democrat Party. This is accusing him of being a premeditated sexual predator. Yes, That's. This is the kind of thing that gets people sent to prison for the rest of their lives. So this is very serious, and this is way beyond even what the earlier allegations were. Clay, I think in terms of the. The legal jeopardy that he may face now, it's an accusation. He denies it. We should go on the record and say. Because we still believe in the system in this country. Eric Swalwell denies any. Non. He clearly had sex with these women that he has not denied or some of these women, but he says never was non. Consensual. And he. And he did not rape anyone. That is his position right now. But his. His political future is over.

[Clay Travis]

Now, again, I will be the defense attorney here because I immediately think through stories, the one we just played for you. She went to his hotel room. He said he needed to go get something. She went to his hotel room. I think.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I jump in there with something real quick? Defense real quick, though. You're Eric Swalwell, My wife. Let's say I'm Eric Swalwell for the purpose of this conversation. I'm a congressman. My wife is pregnant. I have a woman that's. I need to go up to my room. I go up to the room and tell her, please wait in the plush, comfortable lobby. Yes, because it's inappropriate. It's inappropriate for you to come to my hotel room in the middle of the day so I can get papers. She's not his personal security detail. She doesn't need to be there with him. So he's got. If this is how this went down, he's got a big problem because they might have footage of this in the hotel. I mean, who knows?

[Clay Travis]

Now, again, this is where she says it happened in 2018. So I'm. So if I were working through this, again, this is me looking at it as an investigator, as somebody who would, you know, have been involved in defending cases like these. The. Unfortunately. Right. For the truth of the matter, the toxicology report would not exist, obviously. Now, presumably. Right. Presumably, there is no toxicology report. She didn't go report that. She felt uncomfortable because I think, and some of you may have looked through this, I think you would be able to find a drug like this in the system. I think I honestly haven't been involved in investigations where the rape drugs were involved. I think you probably would, maybe not. But certainly seven years later, it's entirely he said, she said. All of this is he said, she said. Right. So her allegations are incredibly significant, I would think would merit a charges being brought in Los Angeles, because I think Buck and team, you can look at this up. I think they basically did away with sexual term, statutes of limitations. I know in New York, they did, which is how, you know, Trump has ended up having to defend himself for things 25 years ago or whatever the heck it was.

[Buck Sexton]

I, by the way, I also think that that's. This, I disagree in principle, the elimination of a statute of limitations, because then it truly makes it impossible for you to, with the exception of murder. But as we've always said, murder, there's a murder thing happened, there's a dead body. We know that a thing happened.

[Clay Travis]

If I'm. Yes, exactly right on all that. That's why there is no statute of limitations on murder, because we know that the crime 100% happened. If I'm defending Eric Swalwell and like, this is not a job I would want, but it's almost impossible seven or eight years later for him to prove that he's innocent, even if he was 100% innocent of a crime here.

[Buck Sexton]

And look, look what they did to Trump, too, by the way. They tried to hit Trump with inappropriate touching or something, remember? And there are, there are very clearly statutory distinctions between like a forcible rape

[Clay Travis]

versus, you know, grabbing.

[Buck Sexton]

And those we all understand, those are big differences in terms of the severity, you know, of what has occurred. But they would accuse Trump, you know, of trying to, like, forcibly kiss women or something 30 years ago. How do you prove you didn't? How do you prove you did or did not kiss someone 30 years ago or tried to kiss someone 30 years. I mean, this is where, like I said, New York and California have Decided to go with the believe all women

[Clay Travis]

thing, which for Spain did it largely so they could go after Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

Get Trump, Yes.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, that's the whole reason New York redid this to a large extent. And remember the E. Jean Carroll accusations against Trump. Again, this is why I always look at all these things skeptically, try to be rational. I don't believe all women, I don't believe all men. I think that is absolutely absurd that it was ever considered to be a thing that anyone of any intelligence would say. But what they said about Trump was that he raped and sexually assaulted her in a dressing room at Neiman Marcus or Bloomingdale's. You may remember the specific department store in New York, some high end New York apartment store, like she was a shop assistant. But then the jury, and nobody even talks about this, hardly the civil jury that decided that Trump was liable for that accusation said that he didn't rape her, but that he did sexually assault her. They did to like midway.

[Buck Sexton]

And this is the problem with civil juries is because they'll go, well, you know, I won't do the big thing, but I'll do the, you know, not too hot, not too cold, just right. I'll go with the middle thing. And that, I mean, that's not really how this is supposed to work. But that is what happens sometimes with a civil, the civil jury in particular,

[Clay Travis]

so that those, these accusations are out there and it is, you know, very, very serious. And I would bet in Los Angeles that it would be hard for him not to face these charges. Now, is he going to be found reasonable, guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Between you and me, Buck, I think that's a high standard here because unless she has some evidence to support her allegations, she went back to his hotel room. I'm sure Eric Swalwell's defense, I mean, first of all, he could say, I've never slept with this woman. This is totally made up. I have nothing to do with this. I mean, I don't know what his defense is going to. Most of the time the defense is, well, that was consensual sex. She says she has text messages, photos, you know, evidence of the relationship. I would imagine he will say it's consensual. And again to your point, she went up to his hotel room. And once you're in a hotel room and the door closes, how can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what did or did not happen? Not a toxicology report here. Don't presume that she went to say, I was raped the day after and had some sort of check done.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just note these already?

[Clay Travis]

Actors.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, we're already entering the. Is Swalwell, if he gets charged, is he looking at serious prison time for a very serious criminal sexual offense? This is another way of saying, wow, this guy's political career is absolutely. By the way, that is a.

[Clay Travis]

That is a justice political career, Buck. I mean, he's got three young kids. Whatever you think about it.

[Buck Sexton]

I do. I will. I do feel badly for the kids, Honestly, the kids. I mean, the kids did nothing wrong, and their lives are now upended, too.

[Clay Travis]

And his wife, I mean, presumably she hasn't done anything wrong other than marry Eric Swalwell in the first place. But I mean, to your point, Buck, I mean, his political career is certainly over. What job is he going to get? I mean, you know, I mean, would you hire.

[Buck Sexton]

I think his job right now is to deal with, perhaps to try to avoid charges. He might have something. Sometimes they'll bring. As you know, they'll bring you in with your attorney, speak to the district attorney to hear your side. Because the decision to bring charges in a case like this is huge in and of itself.

[Clay Travis]

Meaning, yes.

[Buck Sexton]

The damage that is done to somebody for just being accused of this is enormous. Well, you know, by. By a. By a prosecutor. So. But he's trying to. I think he's just trying to stay out of prison at this point, is my. Exactly.

[Clay Travis]

That's my point. Like, most of the time when people drop out of Congress, they just go become lobbyists and make a lot more money. Nobody's hiring Eric Swalwell to do anything right now. So not only is he. His political career over, he's unemployable, and he may be facing multiple years in prison and defending himself. And again, we come back to.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I also do the comparison, Clay, real quick, of why did Blasey Ford do what she did? Democrats pretended to be stupid on this so she could be on the COVID of magazines, which she was. So she could get a book deal, which she did. So she could go on the speaking circuit so she could. You know, it was very clear. What's the personal advantage this would come

[Clay Travis]

up in a trial.

[Buck Sexton]

What's the personal advantage that this woman would get? Swalwell does not have money. You know, what is the. You know, she's not. Yeah, go ahead.

[Clay Travis]

I will take the next step. Are you really telling me that nobody in Democrat circles knew about Eric Swalwell's behavior? Like, I just don't buy that you could be in the gauged in the behavior that he was and that others in the political realm.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh no, it weren't. It was widely known. That has already come out. It was widely known. They didn't care.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And now some of this, to be fair, I think they didn't know about some of this. I think these sleeping with staffers being too handsy, maybe even rumors about the, the pics being sent to people. But this is, this is, this is intense sexual predator stuff. This has gone to a whole level

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

GetSunday.com welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Senator Rand Paul gonna join us at the bottom of the hour, but I wanted to play those cuts. I think we got the audio a little bit cleared up for you because I think a lot of you were having trouble hearing that and I wanted to make sure that we got it. Here it is.

[Narrator/Intro Voice]

I had contact Eric Swalwell on three separate occasions after meeting him socially.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, stop. Let's just pause that. Do we have the additional clip? Let's see if this audio is better because that audio is not better. We're going to have to go into our 1996 Windows software and eventually get reliable audio. But here is cut 35 Attorney Lisa Bloom saying, buck, I think this is significant. Three other women have also contacted her with accusations against Swalwell over the last 24 hours. And I think what you said is super significant, Buck, because unlike in Kavanaugh, where each new accuser was less credible and none of them were ever credible so far right now these seem to be moving in the direction of more credibility. Cut 35 how many people have reached

[Reporter/Interviewer]

out to you that you just mentioned. And have you heard from Mr. Swallow? He says he's going to fight these allegations.

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Three other women have reached.

[Clay Travis]

I guess the Windows 96 software did not load at all that time. We will eventually play. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

The reality of the Kavanaugh users. The third Kavanaugh accuser, who was the craziest one, the one who they had to stop putting on, is that the

[Clay Travis]

gang rape accuser who was like, her name wasn't Swallow.

[Buck Sexton]

It was like. It was like Sweatwell or something. I can't remember her name. Swetnick. I think Swetnick was.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yes, yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Swetnik. And she though. She was like, well, when I came back from college, I was at a party with these high school boys, including Kavanaugh, and they drugged and gang raped all these girls. The high school party. Everyone was like, so you're a college. Like you're an adult.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Who's going back to high school parties. And you don't call the police or tell anybody when they're. And then it was like, oh, my crazy story is not such a good story, is it? No, no, not a good story. And it was like, oh, you're just trying to ruin a man's life because you're a psycho.

[Clay Travis]

But they covered it. They gave her at first, and then they had to backpedal at first.

[Buck Sexton]

They did.

[Clay Travis]

I forget.

[Buck Sexton]

There was an interview she did, Clay, where you could tell the interviewer's face was, oh, you're a crazy person. Oh, okay.

[Clay Travis]

We've done a little bit better vetting, perhaps.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Senator Rand Paul]

Glad to be with you. Thanks for having me.

[Buck Sexton]

All right. You would not have, I think this is fair to say, if not by all means, correct me, you would not have called for the bombing campaign in Iran and did not. Did not agree with it from the start. It has been going on. It is now at a ceasefire moment. If you can take us, just fast forward us in this process to how you think this is going now, how do you assess the status of this ceasefire, the current negotiations, Basically, how do we end this thing and get out of this thing as you see it?

[Senator Rand Paul]

I think the one thing we can all agree with is that we'd love to see freedom for the Iranian people. We'd like to see the regime fall. There are other questions, though, about the advisability of the war, how you go to war. The Constitution and our Founding Fathers were pretty clear that when you go to war, Congress needs to vote. They said that to declare war or to initiate war, it would be the Congress that declares this. Now, some have said, well, there are exceptions to that. And one of the exceptions is that if we're imminently to be attacked, you know, someone's shooting at one of our ships, or we're imminently under attack, the President can make some immediate decisions. Even under that circumstance, though, the Founding Fathers wanted the President then to ask for permission from Congress, even if he responded or she responded immediately. In this case, though, the adversary nation, the country that we've been at odds with, is 47 years in the making. It's a little hard to make the imminence argument. The other argument is, well, we have to stop them from having a nuclear weapon. Well, I think all of us want that. But our intelligence reports really showed no evidence that they were changing or getting closer to a nuclear weapon. We have 18 different parts of our intelligence agency all telling us about the same thing, that there really hadn't been a reconstitution of a nuclear program. There was essentially where they were when we blew him up six months ago. And the President said at that time the nuclear program was obliterated. So there are many arguments for why we should do it constitutionally. Then there's also another argument about practically whether or not we'll be better off right now, economically, the price of oil has gone up tremendously. People are noticing at the gas pump. I think it's going to be bad electorally for the party. The party already faces a very difficult election. And really, frankly, I think the soldiers that put their lives on the line deserve to have a full a fulsome debate and a vote on the floor of the Senate and the House before we go to war.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. We're talking to Senator Rand Paul from Kentucky. There's a big decision that's going to be made soon in terms of who's replacing Mitch McConnell in your state. Big primary decision. There's also a big battle. Thomas Massie is, is also got to to see what's going to happen in the primary there. What are you seeing and hearing from Kentucky voters? You just mentioned the midterm. What are you seeing as the primary driver for the primary? It's going to happen in about a month there.

[Senator Rand Paul]

I think people understand in Kentucky that you can be supportive of Donald Trump as I am, and also supportive of Thomas Massie. I think Thomas Massie is the most conservative, most constitutionally oriented person in the House. He's fearless. He's the head of the Liberty Caucus. He's also the head of the Second Amendment Caucus. And so I am all in for Thomas Massie. I've campaigned for him several times, will continue to do so. And I think it's important to have independent voices. You know, if people want a rubber stamp and they say, will you support the president 100% of the time, and then the other candidate says, no, I'll support him 150% of the time, no, I'll support him 200%. Time you leave yourself wondering, are they conservative? Do they support a balanced budget? Do they support the Constitution? Do they support the Second Amendment? So to me, it's not so much about fidelity or faithfulness to one person. It's about fidelity and faithfulness to the Constitution, to conservative values, to limited government, to balanced budgets. And I think Thomas Massie is unparalleled in being the best defender of the Constitution currently in the Congress.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator, I appreciated the, if I could circle back on this for a second, your feelings about the overall Iran conflict. But right now there's a negotiation happening. Are you hopeful for this negotiation actually ending the conflict? What would you advise Trump, Vance, the others who are making decisions on this to do, to stop this? Because I know you want this war over. I think that's very. I would have known that before you said it you don't want us to be continuing to bomb them. You don't want the straight or moves to be under threat. Do you see a way forward or are we just looking at months of instability here?

[Senator Rand Paul]

I don't know that anybody knows the answer yet. I think the sticking point really is the Straits of Hormuz. Will the Iranians give in? Will the Iranians say that we won't develop a nuclear weapon? I think actually they will negotiate on that. They've been willing to negotiate on it before war. It's whether or not they're believable in the negotiations. As far as the straits go, our decision to blockade it will, will now be something that militarily will be decided. Whether or not we can do that. I think we probably can. We've removed mines from it. We have the capability to do that. The missiles they shoot are very, very close to us. So the way we intercept missiles is I think we're better the farther away they shoot at, shoot the missiles from, the closer they are, the more difficult it is to intercept missiles. So militarily we'll see what happens. I hope for the best. I hope that they will negotiate over the straits and that we will move forward. I don't like the idea of us continuing forever to control the Straits of Hormuz and charging a fee, as some have indicated, or controlling it jointly with Iran and charging a fee. I think it's unknown what will happen, but I think the big sticking point really now is what will happen with the Straits. While the Iranians are completely defeated, their military is completely defeated. I don't know that the people are necessarily defeated. And in some ways the new regime, there's a question whether or not they're going to be more compliant or less, whether it be more radical or less radical. Some say that the radicals that were killed off may be well replaced with even people more radical.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. I know you've got a big Hearing on the Second Amendment that's coming up. You're in Washington D.C. i know we got listeners all over the country that have weapons, have guns and when they drive from one state to another they're worried about what the rules are, what the laws are. And I do think this fact point should get more attention than it has. Thankfully, we set an all time record low for murders in 2025. I think you probably could speak to this because I'm pretty sure it's factually connected, but there hasn't been much discussion about it. We also have record numbers of firearms in the hands of American citizens. That is. Never before have there been more guns in the hands of American citizens. Yet in 2025 we set what may well be the lowest murder rate in the history of the country. What can you tell us about the second Amendment? What does that say about lawful guns in the hands of gun owners? And how frustrating is it to you that you're in Kentucky, I'm in Tennessee, we drive to Florida quite a lot. The rules are different depending on what states we go through to get to Florida. From where I live in Nashville, that seems crazy to me.

[Senator Rand Paul]

Well, the statistics are pretty clear that lawful gun owners and people who carry weapons actually commit crimes at a much lower rate than the general public. Most of the people who are lawfully owning guns are actually some of the most law abiding people you'll meet. Most people carry weapons for self defense and are actually some of the best citizens we have. The second amendment of the right to own guns to me is a natural right. It's God given. It's the right to self defense. It's codified in the Bill of Rights. And really you should have a constitutional right to carry in Kentucky you do. We no longer have a concealed carry law. We have a constitutional carry, which means the Constitution protects it. So I'm for a national constitutional carry such that if you go from Tennessee and you drive up to dc, you may well want self defense in DC but right now it's difficult because DC basically bans people from having guns. It's difficult to own a gun or to bring a gun into D.C. but I see guns as self defense. Everywhere I go the people with me are armed, I'm often armed. And I think that it's a, it's, it's something that is the idea of self defense to me is a God given right that shouldn't be infringed.

[Buck Sexton]

Senator Paul, obviously everyone knows as well that you were on that baseball diamond when a bad guy had a gun who was trying to shoot you and other members of Congress did shoot Steve Scalise who had to fight for his life. So your thoughts on the second Amendment? I mean there were fortunately, I believe it was actually a woman, a female member of Capitol Police. Right. But there were the proverbial good guys with guns there to handle the situation. But to your point about D.C. versus Virginia, you really can't go into the District with a gun. And so people who are law abiding are disarmed and people who want to harm others like that maniacal shooter on that day. They enter into situations knowing that they're effectively dealing with what is either a gun free or a very limited gun zone.

[Senator Rand Paul]

Yeah, and I think when you look at crime, John Lott's written several books on this, but when you look at crime, most of the crime that is that is committed with weapons is committed with weapons that are not legally bought. These are guns with the identification mark scratched off and they're sold it and traded hands in the black market. So of legally owned guns, very, very little crime is committed with that. Almost all the crime in the US is with illegally traded guns. So making more gun laws and making more guns illegal doesn't necessarily affect the crime rate. What it does is it just affects those of us who are law abiding, who buy guns for self defense.

[Clay Travis]

We get asked about this all the time, the Save act, what's going to happen? What should happen? Is anything going to progress in any way there in terms of a resolution? We're talking with Senator Rand Paul of

[Senator Rand Paul]

Kentucky, I'm a co sponsor of it. I think it should be a minimum to vote in our country that you have to present an id. Another problem we have besides the idea is also this idea of voting by mail. In our state we went ahead and got rid of voting by mail for the most part. 97% of Kentuckians vote in person. We still have about five Republican or battleground states that haven't done it. So while I'm for a national ID to be shown for voting in national elections, I think we should also have a push because we may not get enough votes to pass it in the Senate. We should also be pushing at the state level. So Utah, Arizona, Alaska, Iowa, West Virginia, all Republican leaning states maybe except for Arizona, still don't have sufficient voter ID laws. And they also mail ballots to everyone and keep mailing them and mailing them and mailing them and soliciting voters who normally don't have the energy to get off their couch. And so I think we need to keep addressing it national level. If we're not successful there, I think the next step is to go to the five remaining Republican or battleground states and let's change the laws in those states to have better voter ID laws.

[Clay Travis]

Tomorrow is tax day, a day that many of us hate. I've got some data here that I thought was interesting. IRS top 1% of income tax filers contribute about 40% of the overall revenue. Top 10% pay 72% of all the revenue. Top quarter 87.2% bottom half pays no federal income tax yet Democrats are going to be all up in arms and continue to be that tax rates need to be raised. Your thoughts?

[Senator Rand Paul]

I was on the View one time and I don't recommend it, but I was on the View and I told the ladies that people under $50,000 don't pay any income tax. And they all started squawking and yelling at me back and forth and they wouldn't listen to it. But it is a fact, under 50,000 you don't pay income tax, particularly husband and wife and two kids. The standard deduction is 50,000. So you don't pay under 50,000 the income tax. When people say on the left, when Bernie and other people on the left say, oh, the rich are not paying their fair share, it's the opposite. The rich are not only paying their fair share, they're paying most of the income tax. You're exactly right. Top 1%, paying 40%, almost half of the income tax. Top 10%, 70%. So yes, the wealthy, we have a more progressive tax code in our country than they do in Sweden. So we have plenty of taxes. We have too much. But we also have a spending problem. So even with all the taxes we pay, we have this massive deficit. But what we do don't need is more revenue. I don't want more taxes. But we do need to cut spending and cut it dramatically.

[Clay Travis]

Senator Paul, Rand Paul.

[Buck Sexton]

Senator Rand Paul, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate you, sir.

[Senator Rand Paul]

Thank you.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Our thanks to Senator Rand Paul who just joined us. Should mention on video. We're working towards having three hours of live video of this program in addition to the 600am FM stations out there. And all of you listening now on satellite radio, channel123 as well. Soon you will be able to watch all three hours of this show on video, should you so desire, which I hope will work and also be fun for you. So we will see how exactly all of that shakes out. Here is cut 35. This is the attorney, Lisa Bloom, who is representing the Swalwell accuser, saying three other women who have not gone public yet have contacted her in the last 24 hours. So, Buck, I think this story may be very far from being over so far. And unlike the Kavanaugh case, as you pointed out, where each of the accusers became less credible so far, many of these accusers are becoming more credible than the initial accusers. Here is cut 35.

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How many people have reached out to you that you just mentioned? And have you heard from Mr. Swalwell? He says he's going to fight these allegations.

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[Buck Sexton]

me just since I announced this press conference yesterday.

[Senator Rand Paul]

I have not heard from Mr. Swalwell.

[Clay Travis]

Now, Buck, this is, I mean, an implosion the likes of which I'm not sure we've ever seen before in the world of politics. From front runner for governor, a guy who ran for president of the United States, even if it was a ludicrous campaign, mostly known for going after Joe Biden to now, I expect that he will face criminal charges over sexual assault before all is said and done.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's the biggest political collapse. The fashion said, the fastest political collapse I've. I think we've ever seen for somebody.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's right.

[Buck Sexton]

Politics. I mean, you could say Anthony Weiner was a member of Congress, and then he tried to run for mayor, and that actually made things even worse for him. So. And this. This is on a whole other level, too. The allegations that are being made here could send Swalwell to prison for a long time if they were proven in a court of law. So he maintains his innocence, but we'll see where all that goes. Clay, where are you going to take us?

[Clay Travis]

In the third hour, we'll talk more about stock market near record highs, the Iran blockade. But also, we'll have some fun with Buck's allegation. Assertion on pants, believe it or not.

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