Hour 2 - Superman Fans Go After Clay

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Hour 2 - Superman Fans Go After Clay Release Date: July 10, 2025

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Introduction to the Superman Controversy

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into the heated debate surrounding the new Superman movie directed by James Gunn. The controversy sparked when Gunn publicly described Superman as an immigrant, intertwining the beloved superhero with contemporary political themes. Clay shares his initial reaction and the unexpected backlash he received for his take on the film.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [02:04]: “I got a sense that my take on Superman, the new movie, had gone mega viral.”
• Buck Sexton [02:57]: “So when you see the Suntory commercials with Clay Travis in them or Sapporo, you will know that this is Clay is big in Japan.”

Breaking Down James Gunn’s Statement

Clay highlights James Gunn’s interpretation of Superman as an immigrant, emphasizing its political undertones. He criticizes Gunn for making the character a symbol for immigration, arguing that it detracts from Superman’s traditional role as a universal hero.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [03:54]: “James Gunn says Superman is about an immigrant that came from other places. How we've lost the value of basic human kindness.”
• Buck Sexton [03:24]: “If we were talking like late 90s, early 2000s movies, I was absolutely dialed in. I had my favorite directors, my favorite actors, you know, excited about.”

Audience Backlash and Personal Reflections

Clay recounts the overwhelming negative reactions from Superman fans, including vitriolic messages and threats. He shares a particularly harsh message received on Instagram, illustrating the intense division among the fanbase.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [06:17]: “Your family will burn for this.”
• Caller [06:17]: “Your family will burn for this.”

Legal Perspective on Superman’s Status

Buck provides a legal analysis, arguing that Superman should be considered an asylum seeker rather than an immigrant. He breaks down Superman’s origins and his status on Earth, contrasting it with real-world immigration scenarios.

Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton [07:25]: “Superman is an alien. He is not a human being who is subject to another jurisdiction on this planet and has citizenship elsewhere.”
• Clay Travis [09:05]: “Superman is actually a true asylum seeker. His planet was destroyed. All his culture and people are destroyed.”

Discussion on Birthright Citizenship

The hosts engage in a broader discussion about birthright citizenship, using Superman’s origin as a springboard. Clay argues that the concept is a relic of colonial times, questioning its applicability in modern society.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [27:45]: “The irony here to me, Buck, is the people who claim that they hate colonization are actually arguing for a relic of colonization when they are saying birthright citizenship should still exist.”
• Buck Sexton [28:40]: “It was quite risky, expensive, and dangerous to even set foot on American shores.”

Listener Reactions and Further Calls

Multiple listeners call in to express their support and frustration. One caller, Joe from Massachusetts, defends Superman’s traditional values and criticizes the politicization of the character. Another listener, Lynn from St. George, Utah, praises the show and shares her thoughts on the new Jurassic movie.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe [29:12]: “Superman represents universal values like truth, justice and protecting the innocent, not some policy debate.”
• Caller [24:03]: “I went and saw the new Jurassic movie and I just have to say you'll love it. It was entertaining.”

Best Depictions of Superman

Buck and Clay reminisce about the best portrayals of Superman, with Buck naming Christopher Reeve as the definitive Superman. They contrast these classic interpretations with recent portrayals, expressing disappointment in modern adaptations.

Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton [17:12]: “Christopher Reeve. Thank you. That's the best Superman.”
• Clay Travis [18:36]: “DC Comics in general have really kind of bombed compared to the Marvel movies.”

Final Thoughts and Future Directions

As the discussion winds down, Clay and Buck touch on other topics, including potential future episodes and listener engagement. They emphasize the importance of creating apolitical entertainment and express hope for a resurgence of universally appealing superhero films.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis [18:36]: “Just make movies everybody can love. Just make them designed for everybody.”
• Buck Sexton [34:41]: “We're going to be doing more and more video stuff, especially going into 2026.”

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Conclusion

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show provides a comprehensive exploration of the intersection between superhero narratives and modern politics. Clay and Buck offer critical perspectives on the new Superman movie, engage with passionate listener feedback, and advocate for a return to apolitical storytelling in mainstream media. Their candid conversation underscores the challenges of balancing beloved fictional characters with evolving societal themes.

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Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Congrats. As you just heard, Buck Sexton successfully knowing how many points of safety is worth, unlike two thirds of the Jeopardy. Contestants. Gonna have a little bit of fun here. And this is all real, but I want to. How funny is that Wolf Blitzer clip? I mean, that. That he would. I mean, for everybody out there watching, he is held up as one of the brainiacs of cnn. Right. Wouldn't you say that's probably fair to say that Wolf Blitzer is seen as one of the smarter guys on the air at cnn? I think that's probably fair.

[Buck Sexton]

Um, well, I don't know if it's as a result of his Jeopardy. Appearance, but people have been suggesting that he's like the confused fool for a while now. Okay. I think so. But I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

To be fair, he's probably. I mean, he's got to be over 70 now, right? Like, that clip was from 2009.

[Buck Sexton]

I will say. I will say I have heard from people within the CNN world for a long time. He's actually a pretty. Pretty.

[Clay Travis]

I've heard he's a super nice guy.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, he's a nice guy. So I will give him total credit on. He's apparently a good dude, and we're having a little bit of fun at his expense, but he's paid millions of dollars and he's had a good run. And so, you know.

[Clay Travis]

But he is apparently fair.

[Buck Sexton]

Unlike, unlike most of the CNN anchors. And I could go through chapter and verse, he's apparently a nice guy.

[Clay Travis]

To be fair, if I went on celebrity Jeopardy. And I lost $5,000, it would go insanely mega viral, and I would. I mean, I would have to own it.

[Buck Sexton]

Right?

[Clay Travis]

But all the clips of me missing the questions and everything else, it would actually. It would probably be better for me to go and lose a ton of money than to win a ton of money. Because if I won tons of money, nobody would share it. They would be like, oh, whatever. Clay Travis still Stupid meanie head. If I lost like $5,000, everybody that hates me would share it. So it probably would go more viral for a collapse than actually being successful. Ok, I tweeted this last night. I got a sense that my take this is all real. I got a sense that my take on Superman, the new movie, had gone mega viral. Because yesterday I woke up and I had an email from a Japan news agency asking if they could interview me for my take on the new Superman movie.

[Buck Sexton]

So when you see the Suntory commercials with Clay Travis in them or Sapporo, you will know that this is. That Clay is big in Japan. Let's just say it. Clay is big in Japan.

[Clay Travis]

In my entire career of telling, tons of sharing, tons of opinions on everything under the sun, there has never been any request for me to be interviewed by any Japanese news agency.

[Buck Sexton]

Well. Well, I think the one part we have to let everybody know, though, is that the director, James Gunn, I used to be. I will say, if we were talking like late 90s, early 2000s movies, I was absolutely dialed in. I had my favorite directors, my favorite actors, you know, excited about. I don't even know who's. I don't know who's been directing movies for the last 10 years. I basically have no idea. I don't pay attention. Cause I think most movies absolutely stink. Almost all of them absolutely stink. Now, he said something, though.

[Clay Travis]

Here's the quote. Here's the James Gunn quote. So this is where it all started on in Variety magazine, which is like a Hollywood celebrity magazine, shared a story and said, james Gunn says Superman is about an immigrant that came from other places. How we've lost the value of basic human kindness. And yes, it's about politics. That was James Gunn's take. He is the director of the new Superman movie that is opening. I think it may be already out or opening today or whatever else I tweeted three days ago. And this is true. I'm going to skip seeing Superman. The director is a moron to say this publicly the week before release. America's desperate for apolitical entertainment. Hollywood's unable to deliver it. And then I continued. I said, I made a fun movie. I hope everyone of all backgrounds enjoys. Is it that hard to say this when you've been given hundreds of millions of dollars of studio money to make a summer blockbuster? It feels like Tom Cruise is the only Hollywood superstar who still gets this. That's what I. I don't even think of all my takes. Like, I think that is, like, one of the most tepid. Non hot take, non crazy takes. It has evidently gone mega viral and the Superman community of fans is furious at me. And this Buck, just in the last, I don't know, little bit on social media, I got the following messages sent to me on Instagram from Superman fans. These are people that are furious at me. This is a representative sample. I am deluged in angry Superman fan messages. Here is one. Hey word that you can't say on the radio. I just want to let you know Superman has been an immigrant since he was created. And that calling stuff woke means you can't find a good reason to complain. You're being a bitch. You're an idiot. Wrong. You're being used, you piece of blank. Go kill yourself. James Gunn isn't the moron you are. Your family will burn for this.

[Buck Sexton]

Whoa.

[Caller]

I.

[Clay Travis]

Your family will burn for this. For my Superman movie take. It's not a good idea to go mega political. This is crazy town.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I give you. I'm going to give you a few things here. First of all, Superman is not an immigrant. If we're going to play this conversation out a little bit, let's do it. Ok. Superman is an alien. He is not a human being who is subject to another jurisdiction on this planet and has citizenship elsewhere. He is from another planet. Now that to me is actually a good case, especially when your home planet has been destroyed as Superman's has. If I remember my comic book lore, Superman, if anything was, would be an asylum seeker. Oh, unlike all of the people who are showing up in America pretending that their planet was blown up, so to speak, pretending they can't go back to their home country. They are just fraudsters. So Superman is an alien, not an illegal alien, but an actual alien from another planet does not have a jurisdiction on planet Earth that he should be in other than America.

[Caller]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

And I think under any reasonable view of asylum law, his home planet is gone. So I don't think he can go back. So I think that you could say he's a credible asylee.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, you. That is amazing. You are going to be nerding out because my wife is a superhero movie junkie super nerd. All the boys go to all the movies and everything else. She actually was upset that all the Superman people are mad at me and she sent me this because. You're going to build on this, Buck. She's also a lawyer. She said they're totally wrong. And she said what you just said, Buck. Superman is actually a true asylum seeker. His planet was destroyed. All his culture and people are destroyed. His first landing is on American soil in Kansas. This is Laura Travis, lawyer. He's orphaned as his parents die, so he's legally adopted by the Kents who are American citizens, thus giving him American citizenship. Even if not for one and two, he has unique talents of great use to the U.S. that would be impossible to find after a thorough search for other candidates, thus qualifying him for EB Dash 1, a controversially visa and legal channel to full citizenship. On top of all this, he ends up being one of the most productive and useful members of society, choosing to hold two full time jobs as both a journalist and a crime fighting superhero.

[Buck Sexton]

Now this is all absolutely, absolutely spot on. I didn't know that that was, I didn't know that Laura had written any of that is absolutely correct. So the people that are the director of this movie saying he's just like an immigrant, no jackass. That's not even, that's not even vaguely correct.

[Clay Travis]

And, and this also builds on something that I, that, that I was getting at when this went mega viral. I would believe if you gave me Buck, if you, if you and I, if I left this, this show and I suddenly became a Hollywood movie director, if you gave me hundreds of millions of dollars to make a movie, it might well end in utter disaster. Remember, Fox had to sell off the lot at the Pico and motor part of it where the Westfield Mall is now for those of you out in LA because they lost so much money on Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor back in the day for the movie nerds. So it may well end in unmitigated disaster and the company might lose tons of money, but it wouldn't be because I said to half the country, hey, I'm trying to make an intensely political movie. I would go full Michael Jordan Republicans buy sneakers 2. I don't think it would have been smart of James Gunn to say, hey, I think it's super timely that Superman would come out right now because Donald Trump is a super president and he's super man, like in the way that he responded to the assassination attempt. And I think that if you hate Trump, you shouldn't come see this movie. Well, that wouldn't be smart, right? I actually would agree with that take, but it wouldn't be smart if you're trying to appeal to the whole swath of America. And I mean, look, we got a lot of people who listen in LA and we've talked about this before. When is Hollywood going to recognize that the reason why Tom Cruise is the last superstar is because he Just wants to make apolitical popcorn movies that everybody can sit and watch that aren't trying to indoctrinate you and in any way and are just about entertaining you for a great summer movie. Right. I just, I don't understand why these people can't get it through their heads that apolitical entertainment that everybody can watch. It should be the goal.

[Buck Sexton]

No, because they're the goal. These are communists. Their goal is the indoctrination. They, they view that they've reached a point like James Gunn is already very rich, already has all the connections he needs. He. It is more important to him to make a movie that he can virtue signal to his lib friends in Hollywood about than to make a movie that makes a ton of money at this point. Like if he has to choose between those two things. Otherwise, how do you explain things like Snow White, which was an absolute disaster, Hundreds of millions lost, and we knew it was going to lose money the whole time. We're not making that movie. But it's because they're so ideologically committed that it is not profit motive first. That's what they used to say, I might add. They used to say, oh, we're just doing what makes money. That's not true. They care more about the mission of indoctrination than they do making money with these films. And you see it over and over again because every time we say this is going to be a disaster, this is going to be a bomb, it pretty much is. The only exception to that is the Barbie movie, which was so bad, was so.

[Clay Travis]

I still never seen it.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I watched. I couldn't get through it. I tried. I watched some of it. I'm like, this is just trash. Trash.

[Clay Travis]

It is. That just. It was successful because they were just, they were marketing. It was a girl to women and it's like girl. It was a girl power.

[Buck Sexton]

It was a whole girl power thing. Like, oh, like Barbie and the nostalgia, everything else. It is an absolutely garbage movie. Absolutely garbage movie. And I, you know, just like people, Clay. I used to say that Hamilton was garbage when people were waiting in line for like three days for tickets. Ok? I was like, guys, I just know it's garbage and it is garbage. And now more and more people agree with me because it's just what it is, Barbie. Eventually everyone's going to realize nonsense. And don't even get me started on Avatar. Those of you who like Avatar.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, but Avatar is not to me as aggressively political. I know James Cameron, Fern Gully.

[Buck Sexton]

Fern Gully with some laser Guns or whatever.

[Clay Travis]

It's probably preposterous, but it made. It made a lot. I think that there.

[Buck Sexton]

It did make a lot. It did make a lot of. But that was because the technology. It wasn't because of the storyline. It was because of the 3D and all that stuff.

[Clay Travis]

I'm just telling you, somebody out there in Hollywood is going to get smart enough to just say, I'm not hiring any of these woke BS moron people. We're just going to like whoever Tom Cruise wants to work with. We're going to double, triple, quadruple down with him. All he cares about is making movies that are going to be super entertaining. And that's what we're going to focus on. And you're going to mint money. You are going to make money hand over fist. Because I just see stuff like this all the time and it just makes me throw my hands up. Because I wanted to go see Superman. I mean, I'm. I'm a, you know, middle America guy. Like, I like to go sit in the movies and have popcorn. I still like going to the movie theater. I want to go see the new Jurassic park, even though I'm sure it's like total trash.

[Buck Sexton]

Michael Crichton is rolling over in his grave. Good heaven.

[Clay Travis]

I enjoy seeing dinosaurs on the movie screen. I like seeing fighter jets blow things up. I mean, I am the average American consumer. Why would you alienate anybody from Superman? You could easily say Superman is an aspirational goal that is about everyone fulfilling the best possible abilities of their own innate gifts. Like it's so easy to sell this movie. Just don't tell me that it's political. And about immigration, by the way, when most people are opposed right now to the immigration policies. Not even 50. 50. We talked about this. It's like 65, 35. The guy's a moron. Anyway, I thought you guys would enjoy it. I do think it's important culturally. But there's people out there that are furious at me for saying, hey, you know, maybe Superman should just kind of appeal to everybody and not be some sort of woke version of Hollywood fantasy. And when you say that, the little fanboys come running and, and tell me my family should burn. My family should burn for my Superman take of all things. Look, Amazon prime in soon today and tomorrow, last two days to get great deals, including from our sponsor Cardia, makers of the world's first FDA cleared personal EKG. Get yourself or a family member a Kardia Mobile 6L. It can detect afib leading cause of stroke Small, easy to use records right to your phone. You get six views of your heart, six times the data of any smartwatch at a fraction of the cost. Cardi Mobile. Perfect way to manage your heart health at home between doctors visits. Small enough to hold in your palm or to slip into your back pocket or purse. Give yourself peace of mind. Save 10% off as well. On both Amazon and on Kardia's website, too. That's Kardia.com K A R D I A.com or on Amazon, use code 10 6L Clay, the number 10 as in 10% off and the Cardia Model 6L Clay to get 10% off your Cardia mobile. 6L. Stories of Freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day. Spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we were just talking movies and Clay was sharing his thoughts on the Superman movie. We didn't get to this, though. What is the best Superman? Well, I think it's clear the best Superman of. Of all time, other than, of course, our friend Dean Cain, who's fantastic as a person. But I don't think the Superman show counts because that's a show, not a movie. We're talking movies. Just clearing the category here would be, you know, I'm talking about the guy, the Superman guy that. He was the Superman for years. And they.

[Clay Travis]

Christopher Reef.

[Buck Sexton]

Christopher Reef. Thank you. That's the best Superman. That's the best Superman, I think. No question about it. And the other Dean Cain.

[Clay Travis]

Dean Cain's probably listening right now. Maybe he wants to call in.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, I said we love Dean. We love Dean. But that's a show. That's not a movie. We're talking movies here. We got to keep our categories.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, it's going super political here. You know, tiptoeing back. Try to have it all for everybody. Christopher Reeve was a great Superman in Would that come out? 1978, the original Superman.

[Buck Sexton]

Those movies also were just. You watch them with your whole family.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And. And it was good versus evil. And it just. They're like, it was like a fun, good experience to watch them. And they're really, in some ways almost like, you know, the modern, modern fable or modern, modern Aesop's. You know, it's just. I thought it did really, you know, it was just great stuff. And they can't make a damn good super Superman movie to save their lives anymore. Even they had the super handsome guy, Henry Cavill, his Superman movies. Trash. Trash. Why is it so hard, Clay? I could write a good Superman movie in a week.

[Clay Travis]

I feel like DC Comics in general have really kind of bombed compared to the Marvel movies. And I got, I got still more takes. But, but, but just make movies everybody can love. Just make them designed for everybody. It's not hard, you know, it's hard.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Would you have any interest in being an ambassador?

[Buck Sexton]

Not at this stage in my life. If I were, you know, older and had already Done the stuff with the kids, sure, but.

[Clay Travis]

But you have to throw a lot of.

[Buck Sexton]

Already raised my children. I think I'd willing to do it, but if I'm still raising kids, I think I'd want to stay here in the good old US of A.

[Clay Travis]

Where would you want to go? Oooh, see, I'm eight years, so the reason I ask, my youngest is 10. So in eight years, in theory, he'll be off to college. So I have. Yeah, I, I have. When I see all these ambassador things coming out, I'm like, that seems like a really fun job. Now, I know there's some countries you could go to where it's like, ooh, this is a really, really serious job. I'm talking, I'm not talking about that.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not. You don't want to be the US Ambassador to Pakistan. Like, that's like serious security risks. And you could get, you know, it's. That's a real job.

[Clay Travis]

Ukraine, I presume we have an ambassadorship in some way in Ukraine. Like, that would be pretty tough, but there are lots of countries where it isn't actually very dangerous at all. That it seems like it would be kind of an amazing job.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I think the obvious answer would be either I would, I would want to go, like, truly an English, you know, an English speaking country. That I'd probably be like, Australia. I'd probably say Australia, be top of the list. Uk. You can't go wrong with the UK either. I don't know. Paris, French people, I don't know. I'd stick with English speaking. So I'd say either Australia or the uk. I wouldn't want to do Canada. I love you, Canada, but too cold. Too cold.

[Clay Travis]

Also, it's cold. And also, like, you're really still close to America. Like, the challenge is, I think you're only allowed. I was talking to one of the ambassadors recently because I was curious about it, and he said he's been confirmed. But he said the biggest challenge is you. I think you're only allowed to come back to the States for two weeks during your ambassadorship. In other words, it would make sense you need to stay in the country in the event that you might be needed. But most people come back around Thanksgiving or Christmas sometimes to be able to experience. But otherwise you're supposed to be in your, you know, country. And I think that's for some people. They find that out and then they're like, oh. Because a lot of the people who are getting these jobs are able to travel sometimes around the world and suddenly you're locked in. But I saw this. Congratulations to Nick. Malaysia seems like it'd be kind of an awesome place to be an ambassador to. I mean, I've never been to Malaysia, but it doesn't sound like an awesome thing.

[Buck Sexton]

It's actually a really dynamic, cool posting that. That's not like a. No offense to a small Caribbean nation, but it's not like a vacation spot that we just happen to have an embassy. Right. You know, this is. This would be interesting for sure. So I just want to point out, though, we're talking Superman and alpha males. Nick Adams never wavered in his support for Trump and now he is going to be. Looks like he's going to be ambassador to Malaysia.

[Clay Travis]

So it's fantastic. We got a couple of people weighing in here that let me find the absolute latest here. Lynn in St. George, Utah. What you got for us, Lynn?

[Caller]

I've never been to the Waves. Hey. Hello.

I love your show.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you so much for listening. You can turn down your radio in the background a little bit. I heard a fabulous voice, but as much as I enjoy that, I don't know that I need to hear myself as well.

[Caller]

Yes, Fabulous and wonderful. Well, I called in to say that, you know, I went and saw the new Jurassic movie and I just have to say you'll love it. It was entertaining. It was great and just a lot of fun, but super.

[Clay Travis]

So if you like dinosaurs and you don't hate fun, which means buck is out of the equation here, then you will probably like the new Jurassic park movie. Kids will as well, I would imagine, because my kids love dinosaur movies, which is what I'll be taking them to. What do you think about the Superman controversy? Are you with me? Like, why in the world would you say anything political?

[Caller]

Yeah, I think it's ridiculous. I think Superman is our hero and you love to go and see him. And I was excited to hear it was coming out, but we'll not be going to the new one at all. I think it's terrible to politicize it. We all want to have some fun and enjoy the movies. And there's too much going on. My great niece was killed by an illegal just two years ago. So immigration is not on my radar to go and see a movie. And I think it's terrible to put Superman in that kind of, you know, situation. I think he.

[Buck Sexton]

Why is every other country. Thank you for calling in. I think about this place. I'm. Why is every other country pretty much in the world? Right. I mean, there's some European countries that I think have gone down the same pathway as us on this.

[Caller]

But all.

[Buck Sexton]

I'll put it this way, all non. I cannot think of a country that is non white majority, that receives international pressure and internal domestic political pressure to take unlimited people from all over the rest of the world of different languages and cultures, et cetera, illegally or legally, for that matter. But why is that? Like, no one sits around having long conversations like, why doesn't. Why isn't China? It's a very big country with a lot of space. I know they got a lot of people. No one's sitting around saying, well, China is the second biggest economy in the world. Why aren't they taking all the Syrian refugees in?

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is why I said, I'm either going to be beloved in Japan or hated. Because I said, I got interviewed about the Superman controversy in Japan, which gave me some sense that it kind of had gotten large. And the guy interviewing me was like, well, you know, what do you think about the immigrant angle? I said, let me ask you a question. If I were traveling with my wife and she were pregnant and she happened to have a baby in Japan, would my kid be Japanese? And he said, no. I said, oh, it's interesting, because if your wife were traveling in the United States and she happened to have a baby in the United States, your kid would be American. Does that make sense to you? Again, this birthright citizenship thing is, I think, a real argument that needs to be won. And when you actually look into it, far from being unwelcoming, racist, xenophobic, most countries do not allow you to become a citizen simply because you're born on the soil. And I've made this argument, I've written it, hardly anybody knows it. The only reason why we had by soil birthright citizenship, and this is true for almost any country in the New World, is because when we were colonies, there was a fear that if you came over here from Great Britain and you started to build a family here, and you decided you wanted your kid to go back to London one day, that that kid would not be a British subject. So when you were born in a colony of Great Britain, you were still a citizen of Great Britain. When you were born in a colony of Portugal or Spain or France, you were still a citizen, but you're still.

[Buck Sexton]

Subject to the jurisdiction thereof. You're still a British subject.

[Clay Travis]

The irony. The irony here to me, Buck, is the people who claim that they hate colonization are actually arguing for a relic of colonization when they are saying birthright citizenship should still exist. Now, that doesn't even consider that the history, historical elements of it wasn't like you could know you were pregnant in much of history and decide to travel to a country to have a baby after you became pregnant.

[Buck Sexton]

You certainly couldn't hop on a plane and go 8,000 miles and put yourself in whatever country has the most generous welfare benefits. That. That was not possible when we were thinking about these things back in the day. It actually used to be the case that it was quite risky, expensive, and dangerous to even set foot on American shores. Yes, right. So.

[Clay Travis]

Or try to get here, God forbid. I mean, you look at the history of how people. What they had to do to get here from all backgrounds. Like, the travel on ship was not very luxurious. I mean, it was a brutal, brutal trip that everybody had to take to get here. By the way, Joe, in Massachusetts, I wouldn't have expected this. He runs a Superman fan page. Okay, Joe, what are you seeing? Is the talk on the Superman fan page political? Did I step into this hornet's nest and have no idea what was happening?

[Caller]

No, no, you hit it right on the nail, dude. First of all, longtime listener, first time caller, I love you guys. I'm a huge Superman fan. I'm a huge Trump fan. Listen, I want to push back on this idea that Superman is kind of a political symbol for immigration. I get that he came from another planet, but he's not an immigrant, he's an orphan. He didn't choose to come here. He was sent here as a baby alone, because his world was literally blowing up. He was adopted by two small town Americans in Kansas who raised him with traditional values, not global politics. He grew up as Clark Kent, a farm kid, not an alien trying to assimilate. So turning him into a political metaphor just. It just cheapens the story for me. Superman represents universal values like truth, justice, and protecting the innocent, like you mentioned before, not some policy debate. So we need to stop shoehorning modern politics into these classic and timeless characters that we have. It's just ruining them, in my opinion.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I mean, I just want to know what is Superman's position on trans competition in women's sports?

[Clay Travis]

You know, were you blown away? Were you blown away that the director decided to step directly into the political arena? Given to your point, you're a Trump voting Superman fan. I imagine superhero fandom is pretty evenly distributed across the political spectrum. Democrat, Republican, and don't care at all about politics. Like, I just couldn't believe that he was this dumb.

[Caller]

Well, I think it was a mistake on his part. And the other problem is too is that Clay, you know, our, the right leaning Superman fan base is got to be silent because we'll be, you know, we'll be canceled in a heartbeat as soon as we speak up about this. So.

[Clay Travis]

But what does that mean? You get canceled on the fan message board? I mean, what does cancellation look like in the Superman fandom?

[Caller]

Oh, if you, if you lean right and publicly acknowledge it, your, your page is marked for, for black blacklist. I mean you're, you're done.

[Clay Travis]

Really? Even in the superhero community like that fandom, like you're not allowed to be a.

[Caller]

Here's a nauseating thing that they're doing. There's people making an argument online that saying that truth, justice and a better tomorrow is better than truth, justice and the American way, which if we're still this beacon of hope that everybody seems to enter this country or what's wrong with saying we're the American way? The arguments are ridiculous. They're nauseating. And I wish they would just separate politics from this movie. It was the worst thing that James Gunn could have done.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, absolutely. But you know, Joe, you're standing strong. Do not kneel before Zod, my friend. Do not do it. Don't, don't let them get you. Ok.

[Caller]

I appreciate all that you guys do. Keep it up. Thank you guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you, man. Thank you. Let's get, oh, we got a VIP email here from Anne. Agree on Super Superman and Gene Hackman was the best. Lex Luthor.

[Clay Travis]

I forgot Gene Hackman was in the movie.

[Buck Sexton]

I did forget that too. So I, I, I can't necessarily weigh in heavily on that one, but I do think that those Superman movies, I remember that those Superman movies like when I went to camp in the like late 80s, early 90s and it was a rainy day. I feel like we always had the Superman movies. That was what they always would go to because people like them. There was no real violence. I mean no one, you know, people shooting rays out of the rise and flying around. It's not really violent stuff. But yeah, I'm not going to go see this though. I'm not going to go see this Superman movie. I have to say I think it's probably going to be trash because all the other ones that I've seen recently, which is not, you know, I was in the gym yesterday, Clay, and there was a Superman that wasn't a Superman movie. I guess it was a Avengers or one of those movies and Ben Affleck was Superman. I didn't even know that was a thing Ben Affleck.

[Clay Travis]

So that was Batman versus Superman. I think Ben Affleck was in the DC comic movie. And I'm now sounding like the nerd, but I believe that was the movie.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

So I just wanted to go over 100k now. I think that dangling a baby video performance is not a bad, bad, bad. And they're on YouTube and you're going to be able to grab a clip and send it to them and say, hey, just watch this. And maybe you can start to influence them at a place where they spend all their time. I'm telling you, my boys are on YouTube and TikTok. That's all they visit. It's all they visit. You got kids and grandkids. You need to be subscribed. Check it out. You'll get video versions. You can find the cases, the arguments, fun and serious that we make here. And you can send it. Can you get us over 100,000 subscribers? How quickly can you do it? Get signed up. I want to see these numbers pop. Final hour of Thursday next.

[Buck Sexton]

This is an I Heart podcast.