Hour 2 - The Best of Clay and Buck

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show: Hour 2 – The Best of Clay and Buck

iHeartPodcasts • September 1, 2025

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Overview

This "Best of" episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show takes listeners through a mix of cultural commentary, personal stories, and discussion of political, social, and legal headlines. The episode centers on an extended interview with broadcaster Grant Napier about his firing during the 2020 Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests and his subsequent return to radio, as well as broader themes about cancel culture, courage, and the evolution of American public discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Changing Dynamics of College Admissions and Southern Culture

• Clay Travis opens by humorously remarking on the rapid rise of southern college admissions competitiveness, reflecting broader cultural shifts.
• “It’s going to be harder in the future to get into SEC schools than it is to get into Ivy League schools…Every southern big school that plays football, every cute girl wants to go there. And every guy who likes cute girls wants to go there too.” (Clay Travis, [03:46])
• Sets up the theme of how social media and cultural trends are impacting institutions.

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2. Grant Napier's Story: Cancel Culture and Its Fallout

[Main segment begins at 05:58]

• Background: Grant Napier recounts getting fired in 2020 after tweeting, “All lives matter, every single one,” in response to NBA player DeMarcus Cousins asking for his thoughts on BLM.
• Rapid Repercussions: Within 48 hours, Napier lost both his 26-year radio job and his 32-year TV gig as the Sacramento Kings announcer.
• Quote: “A 32-year career, a 26-year career. I didn’t have one thing in either HR department with the Sacramento Kings or Bonneville International. ...I was the scapegoat. I was the sacrificial lamb to tell Black Lives Matter, hey, don’t come after us. We just fired a guy that said all lives matter. It was unbelievable.” (Grant Napier, [08:00])
• Public vs. Private Support:
  • Privately, Napier received support from prominent sportscasters and former colleagues who were afraid to speak out publicly.
  • “What was amazing is every single one of them said, I would love to speak up for you publicly, but I can’t. They were too afraid.” (Grant Napier, [08:00])
• Lessons and International Perspective:
  • Napier notes that only in America does the "all lives matter" debate become divisive, saying in his travels it’s not an issue elsewhere.
  • Cites Zuby’s summary:
    “Black lives matter because all lives matter, White lives matter because all lives matter…Stop being dumb and dividing over basic stuff we already agree on.” (Grant Napier quoting Zuby, [11:14])
• On Redemption and Return:
  • Napier is returning to radio (Fox Sports Radio Sacramento). He describes the support he's received and the lack of nuance or perspective in his firing.
  • “My foundation that I raised the money for, we put 104 students into college and through college, most of whom were minorities...It was just a knee-jerk, ridiculous action by the company that fired me.” (Grant Napier, [14:55])
• Reflections on Cancel Culture:
  • Buck Sexton and Napier discuss the climate of fear in media during 2020, and the difference between public and private speech.
  • “I think things are different now. I think people are much more open about coming out and feeling confident about speaking their opinion and what they believe in. But in 2020, people were paranoid.” (Grant Napier, [14:55])

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3. Theme: Private Belief vs. Public Cowardice

• Clay Travis reflects on how most people, especially wealthy and influential ones, stayed silent during intense cultural moments.
• “…cowardice is far more common than bravery. And …a lot of people will shut their mouths if they think anything negative might happen to them, even if they know what's going on is wrong.” (Clay Travis, [27:26])
• He criticizes wealthy individuals who had the means to speak out but didn’t:
• “...your cowardice made me sick. And I saw it everywhere. People who run companies, people who never had to worry about anything financially for the rest of their life, they turned tail. They, to me, were the biggest cowards.” (Clay Travis, [29:47])
• Clay distinguishes between those with much to lose keeping quiet and the privileged who still did nothing.

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4. Legal and Political Updates

[Segment starts at 23:00]

• Trump Administration Court Win:
  • Clay reports on a legal victory allowing the president to deport illegal immigrants, arguing that federal judges cannot override executive authority on such matters.
  • “An individual federal district court judge…does not have the power to say to the President of the United States, turn that plane around and bring it back to the country. That is crazy.” (Clay Travis, [24:39])
• Wider Discussion: Notes trend of courts being central in political opposition rather than mass movements, as formerly.

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5. Listener Interaction and Light-hearted Moments

[Starts at 21:44]

• Mountain “Trash Talk”:
  • A geologist caller (“Lou from Louisiana”) discusses the ancient height of the Smoky Mountains compared to the Rockies, sparking playful back-and-forth about regional pride.
  • “So, they're just older and they've been like worn down. Is that what's happened?” (Buck Sexton, [22:07])
• Married Life Anecdotes:
  • Clay and Buck discuss humorous differences between men and women in addressing dreams and imagined grievances within marriage.
  • “These are the rules. I don't make the rules.” (Clay Travis, [43:25])
• Provides comic relief and humanizes the hosts.

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6. Reflections on Bravery, Wealth, and Character

• Clay Travis: Returns to the show's major theme—courage in the face of public censure.
• “Money will make you more of what you already are… If you are a die-hard, you do the same thing. But if you look around, worry all the time about what people are gonna say about you, you become even more of a coward the more money you get.” (Clay Travis, [33:18])
• Criticizes those who now cheerlead publicly after being silent when it mattered most.
• “…just remember it. And remember how quickly those front runners will fade as soon as somebody else is in power and as soon as somebody else makes them a little uncomfortable and requires any element of courage to speak out against what they believe is wrong.” (Clay Travis, [37:14])

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On SEC Admissions Hype
  • “It’s going to be harder in the future to get into SEC schools than it is to get into Ivy League schools…” – Clay Travis, [03:46]
• On Cancel Culture Fallout
  • “All lives matter, every single one in capital letters with three exclamation points. Well, all of a sudden I'm getting a lot of calls... By 2:40, I had been fired by a radio station that I was at for 26 years… And then I resigned as the 32-year TV voice of the Sacramento Kings on that same day. That was five years ago.” – Grant Napier, [05:58]
• On Private/ Public Divide
  • “What was amazing is every single one of them said, I would love to speak up for you publicly, but I can’t. They were too afraid.”
    – Grant Napier, [08:00]
• On Broader Lessons
  • “We're the only people, I think, on the planet that are even debating this and talking about this. This is not a topic anywhere else in the world.”
    – Grant Napier, [11:14]
• Courage in Public vs. Private
  • “…What it told me about human nature is cowardice is far more common than bravery.” – Clay Travis, [27:26]
• On Wealthy Cowards
  • “Your cowardice made me sick. And I saw it everywhere. People who run companies, people who never had to worry about anything financially for the rest of their life, they turned tail. They, to me, were the biggest cowards.” – Clay Travis, [29:47]

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Segment Timestamps

• [03:46] – Clay Travis on SEC admissions and cultural shifts
• [05:58] – Grant Napier recounts his firing, details fallout
• [08:00] – Public/private support distinction, BLM/cancel culture context
• [10:25] – Napier’s return to Sacramento radio, notable guests
• [11:14] – Quoting Zuby: “All lives matter because black lives matter…”
• [14:55] – Napier’s community foundation, overlooked contributions
• [16:30] – Buck congratulates Napier, reflects on lessons
• [21:44] – Call-in: Mountain “trash talk” with a geologist
• [23:00] – Clay explains significance of appeals court ruling for Trump
• [27:26] – Clay on bravery vs. cowardice in speaking up publicly
• [33:18] – Reflection on wealth, character, and courage
• [43:08] – Marital dreams anecdote, light-hearted banter

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Tone and Style

The episode blends candid political analysis, personal storytelling, and humor, maintaining the hosts’ trademark mix of seriousness and informality. Their language remains accessible, sometimes biting, and often personal, frequently using anecdotes and direct calls to the audience’s experiences.

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Summary Takeaways

• Grant Napier’s story is used as a prime example of "cancel culture" gone awry, emphasizing the lasting impact on individuals and the broader culture of fear it created.
• The hosts argue there’s a growing trend of people rejecting past excesses of cancel culture, as exemplified by Napier’s return to radio.
• Private agreement but public silence was once the norm; Travis sharply criticizes those with power and no risk who still refused to speak up.
• A legal win for Trump is presented as symptomatic of current politics being litigated in courts, not the streets.
• The show ends with humor and human interest stories, maintaining its conversational and relatable tone.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a snapshot of post-2020 America through the lens of sports, law, and popular culture, focusing on the consequences of social pressure and the value of courage in public life. The discussion with Grant Napier is especially relevant to ongoing debates about free speech, cancel culture, and redemption in American media and society.

Transcript

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[Grant Napier]

Thank you for listening.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the best of with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. You guys know I started off in the world of sports and the colleges are all returning to campus. And during the commercial break, I'm scrolling through, checking to see what all the latest news is. And I don't know how many of you have seen these kind of stories. I bet your kids and your grandkids have. As part of recruitment for all the kids going back to schools, the sororities are doing all sorts of sorority dance videos. One of our writers at Outkick, Joe Kenzie, who does fabulous work there, posted a video yesterday of one of the SEC sororities. It got 11 million views on Twitter. And these things are trending everywhere. And I was just joking because I just shared the video that he shared on social media. And I'm not I'm kind of partly kidding about this, but not it's going to be harder in the future to get into SEC schools than it is to get into Ivy League schools, because I tweet about this and I'm about to bring in Grant Napier and I want to get his story because I think it all kind of ties in with the cultural shift that we're seeing. When I was a kid, you basically had to have a pulse to get into an SEC school. I graduated high school in 1997, and I could have gotten into the University of Tennessee maybe as a dead man. They probably would have admitted me if I could have paid the tuition. Right now, the University of Tennessee has a 38% admit rate. Ole Miss. And people in Mississippi are going to kind of know when you had a kid that was a troublemaker and couldn't get into any other school, you were like, all right, I guess we'll send him to Ole Miss. It's hard to get into Ole Miss now. Kids in LA and Chicago and New York City are cutting each other in their admissions counselor offices to try to get an invite to Starkville, Mississippi. I I've never seen anything like this. Every Southern big school that plays football, every cute girl wants to go there. And every guy who likes cute girls wants to go there too. And there's a lot of those people all over the country. But anyway, let's bring in Grant Napier. I do think it's emblematic of the cultural shift that we are seeing across the country, but I want to go back in time, way, way back in time, to five years ago in the summer of 2020. Grant Napier with us now. And Grant, I just want you to tell this audience your story because we talked about it back in the day when I was doing my sports talk radio show and everybody kind of turned their backs on you. But tell me just kind of take for this audience, tell them what was going on with you in the summer of 2020 and what happened to you. I'm just going to give you the floor.

[Grant Napier]

On May 31st of 2020, I was sitting in my living room watching TV and I got a phone call from the head coach now of the Sacramento Kings, Doug Christie, who is my co host on my radio show. And he said, napes, did you see DeMarcus Cousins tweet? I said, no, I don't follow him. As a matter of fact, I muted him and he said, you should check it out. So I did, and it was at Grant Napier show. What do you think of blm? And I said something like, hey, I haven't heard from you in years. I thought you forgot about me. And I responded with six words, all lives matter, every single one in capital letters with three exclamation points. Well, all of a sudden I'm getting a lot of calls and messages. Oh, wow, I can't believe you said that. That was Sunday night at about 6 o' clock Tuesday afternoon. By 2:40, I had been fired by a radio station that I was at for 26 years. Same time slot for 26 years, highly rated show. And then I resigned as the 32 year TV voice of the Sacramento Kings on that same day. That was five years ago.

[Buck Sexton]

This is, I mean, I think it's important to remind people of what was going on. So I want to follow this back up. You tweeted in response to an NBA player tweeting to you about Black lives Matter. All lives matter. Every single one. And you lost your radio job, sports talk radio job of 26 years. And your 32 year Sacramento Kings television announcing job was gone as well. Okay, that is, I mean, it is really very staggering. What was the response both publicly and privately to all of that happening to you? And in the early summer of 2020.

[Grant Napier]

Privately, people were outraged. They were blown away. I had some of the biggest names in the sportscasting industry reach out to me, talking about how they couldn't believe it. And then they were telling me that, gee, they're going to be nervous about saying something that maybe they shouldn't or it's going to be misconstrued. But what was amazing is every single one of them said, I would love to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They were too afraid. That was what it was like. People were too afraid to speak out and come to my defense. Publicly. I had a lot of support. But unfortunately, this was one week after the murder of George Floyd. You know what's crazy about this, Clay? Leading up to that May 31, May 25, was when George Floyd was murdered. I mean, I had a lot of positive tweets about what was going on, supporting everything that was going on. Nobody spent five minutes to go back and look at those tweets. It was like, oh, wait a minute. We have to fire Grant Napier. We have to show black lives matter. Don't come after us. Oh, no, we fired a guy that said all lives matter. They panicked. I mean, think about that, Clay. A 32 year career, a 26 year career. I didn't have one thing in either HR department with the Sacramento Kings or Bonneville International. And here's something else that's interesting. If you go to Bonneville International right now, if you Google Bonneville International leadership and you look at their leadership, every single person is either a white male or a white female. No people of color, no minorities. It's a freaking joke. It's a. It's an absolute joke. And I was the scapegoat. I was the sacrificial lamb to tell black Lives matter, hey, don't come after us. We just fired a guy that said all lives matter. It was unbelievable.

[Buck Sexton]

I remember covering it. And I believe we had you on and we talked about the fact that this was ridiculous. There was almost nobody else that would say it. Why? Why? What lessons sitting here five years later do you think the country needs to take and to learn? What would you hope, by the way? Before we get into the lessons, let's go to the reason. I was very excited to see this. You now are coming back on the air. Sacramento is one of the biggest audiences this show has, so we appreciate everybody listening to us in California. You are going to be back on the air after five years doing sports talk radio in Sacramento. Tell us about that.

[Grant Napier]

Well, I'm very excited. It just kind of all happened over the Last couple of months. If you had asked me a year ago if I thought I'd be back on Sacramento radio, I would have said no way. I've been doing a podcast. I started doing a podcast In October of 2020, just a couple of months after I was fired. And isn't it just crazy? My first guest on my podcast, Charles Barkley, he didn't have a problem with me saying all lives matter. I had Dusty Baker on. I've had a lot of former Kings on, Spud Webb, Reggie this. I had the former head coach Keith Smart on. I mean, I can go on and on and on. They didn't have any problem with it. It was just a joke. But I am going back September 2nd. I'm starting on Fox Sports Radio Sacramento. I'm very excited about it. But you, you asked me a question about, you know, what have I learned in the last five years? You know, Zuby. So Zubi music.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Grant Napier]

Well, over a million followers on social media. And I wrote this down a couple of years ago because I thought he, he deals in common sense. He's like you, you know, you guys deal in common sense. He wrote black lives matter because all lives matter. White lives matter because all lives matter. All lives couldn't matter if black or white lives didn't matter or any others. Stop being dumb and dividing over basic stuff we already agree on. Here's what I've learned over the last five years. I've been blessed to travel, I've been to Europe, I frequently go to Thailand, and I've talked to a lot of people from a lot of different cultures, different backgrounds, different countries. We're the only people, I think, on the planet that are even debating this and talking about this. This is not a topic anywhere else in the world. I don't understand why here we are in 2025 and there are people even on my social media over the last 24 hours, you know, talking about, well, gee, didn't he learn? You can't say all lives matter. No, those are very much in the minority. Those were only a few people. But the point is there are still some people in this country that think that all lives matter is a racist comment. I don't get that. All lives matter. Every single one doesn't have any gray area. To me, all lives matter. Every single one, I would think is pretty self explanatory, but I think Zubi summarized it perfectly. So what have I learned in the last five years? I. I've learned that it's really only an issue in America with The woke culture. And if you're not politically correct, you're going to get attacked. I mean, it's a joke. It's an absolute joke. What I've gone through, I've got great support. I don't have any problem putting my head on the pillow at night. I'm grateful for this opportunity to get back to Sacramento radio. But again, I don't know what the big deal is and you know, it's such a shame that in America, and I don't want to go off on a tangent here, but everything's about black and white. Why does it have to be like that again when I travel around the world and talk to people from different cultures, it's not like that there in Thailand, which I love and it's a great country. They don't care what your ethnicity is, your religion, your sexual orientation. They're just good people, they're happy people. They work. They don't even talk about this stuff. But in America, it's like a daily conversation. I don't understand it.

[Buck Sexton]

I think this is an important conversation. And I want to go back to the difference between public and private commentary. What I try to do for better or worse, and I screw up all the time on the show. I can barely pronounce half the words that I try to say on a day to day basis. Especially as anybody long term listening would recognize, try to have fun with it. But what I try to do is there's very little difference between what I would say publicly and what I would say privately. And I think that's why people have never really been able Grant to come after me because that's what I've done my whole career. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I'm just saying I. There is no gap. If I go to this Atlanta Braves game tonight, which I'm going to do with my kids, and you see me there, what I would say to you in person is the same thing that I would say on the radio. Now maybe occasionally I curse at a sporting event, you know, things like that. I have FCC restrictions here. So, you know, with that limited difference for you what I found during the BLM era, during COVID during the summer of 2020, all of that so many people said to me privately, I agree 100% with everything you're saying, but I'm afraid to say it publicly. And that's how the world becomes what happened to you is people know it's wrong, but they're afraid of being targeted themselves. And I imagine you saw better than most. That dichotomy between what people would say to you privately and what might be said publicly.

[Grant Napier]

Totally, you're 100% correct. And here's another aspect of what I went through five years ago. So I was fired. I had my career literally turned upside down in 36 hours. In the early 2000s, I started a foundation in Sacramento called the future Foundation. I had an annual golf tournament. And what we did is we took underprivileged at need students from high schools in the Sacramento area. All right? They had to fit a certain criteria. These were first generational college students. I mean, it was incredible. My foundation that I raised the money for, we put 104 students into college and through college, most of whom were minorities. Okay? Nobody spent five minutes and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Look at what this guy's done for the community. Look what he's done for the black community. I think we had 38 students of color that I put through college. It's like that didn't matter. It's just. It was just a knee jerk, ridiculous action by the company that fired me. And I agree with you about the private public thing. I think things are different now. I think people are much more open about coming out and feeling confident about speaking their opinion and what they believe in. But in 2020, people were paranoid. You know that, Clay. I mean, people that. Listen, if you were white, I'm just. You know this. If you were a white person in the media, okay, you had to be walking on eggshells to go out and say anything even remotely negative about black lives Matter. I mean, you would have been canceled. I was canceled, right? I was canceled five years ago. I was part of the cancel culture, and everyone knows it.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I think so. Well, look, Grant, congratulations on your new radio show in Sacramento. Again, I know a lot of people out there listening to us right now in Sacramento know you well, and I am glad that you are finally getting back to doing what you do well. But I do think it's a lesson of how the world lost its mind in sports and otherwise, culture, politics, everywhere else. I appreciate you making the time for us, and congrats on the new show.

[Grant Napier]

Well, thanks for having me on. Bottom line, I'm happy. I have no regrets. I'm all good, and I can't wait for this next chapter. And I greatly respect you. Love your work, and thanks for having.

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You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show a lot of reaction weighing in to Grant Napier's story there. I think a lot of people can see in him a story that was completely wrong. And I think it's emblematic of us attempting to rectify some of those wrongs from five years ago that he is coming back on the air and I wish him well in Sacramento. I got a big theory for you on culture that I'm going to hit you with at the top of the bottom of this next hour, but in the meantime, I never would have expected to get a call like this, but Lou in Louisiana has called in. He's a geologist and he wants to talk about tall mountains. Lou, what you got?

[Grant Napier]

Hey, Clay, appreciate it. Yeah, I am a geologist and I wanted to let Colorado guy know that during the Paleozoic era, the Rocky mountains are about 12,000ft. But in the Paleozoic era, the Smoky Mountains were as high as the Alps, which are over 20,000ft, which basically dwarf his Colorado Rockies, just so he'll know.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, wow, this is mountain trash talk. So the Smoky Mountains would have been what, 20,000? Some odds. So they're just older and they've been like worn down. Is that what's happened?

[Grant Napier]

Precisely. They were over 20,000ft. They were high as the Alps are currently. So maybe the Colorado Rockies have a ways to go, but I think they're pretty much spent in terms of height. But we'll see about that. I mean, if you can hang out another 400 million years, we'll find out.

[Buck Sexton]

But anyway, thank you for the call, Lou. That is a shot. Thank you for the call. That is shots fired back at Colorado. Oh, yeah, your mountains are fine now, but only because the Smoky Mountains were so much more spectacular than yours that they have endured for so long that they have lost 14,000 square feet or height elevation. It's like the tallest man in the world except now he's got arthritis and you're picking on him. Colorado, frankly, maybe you should be canceled for all the Colorado trash talk. You're listening to the Best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. But I want to have a big conversation about this because I do think that much of the ills that have been created in this country are slowly being eradicated. And I think a lot of it is directly connected to social media. And I've been thinking a lot about this because culture and I understand, by the way, in the third hour we're going to talk about Hollywood movies some. And I understand. Let me give you a couple of updates because everything is basically a court decision that happens every single day. If you notice that almost every bit of opposition for Trump is now court related. So it feels like every day we have a different Department of Justice update, we have a different circuit court update, district court update. I never would have believed when I went to Law School 20 some odd years ago that I would end up doing what I do today and that so much of everything would boil down to what judges are saying on a, on a day to day basis. But I do want to mention this because it is a significant court ruling and it's in favor of Trump, as most of these rulings frankly have been. And so let me give this to you straight. This happened in the last hour and a half or so. I mentioned already that Pam Bondi has authorized special prosecutor Ed Martin to look into Senator Adam Schiff of California and Letitia James relating to mortgage fraud. This is, I'm reading directly from Bill Mulluchin at FOX News. A federal appeals court has reversed federal Judge James Boasberg's ruling of probable cause to hold the Trump administration in contempt of court over the deportation of Venezuelan illegal aliens to El Salvador via the Alien Enemies Act. Legal win for Trump administration. And that is very detailed, packed with legalese there. But basically what it means is the president can put illegal immigrants on airplanes Especially if they have violent records and send them out of the country. And individual judges don't have the power to decide, hey, turn that plane around. You don't have executive authority to do that. So this is the D.C. circuit. Uh, this was one Judge Boseberg, who is basically decided that he is the Trump opposition. The chief of the Trump opposition in judicial robes. The, the sitting, not the full D.C. circuit, but a three judge panel has overturned that decision two to one. So from here, and again, I never would have believed that this is what I would go to law school and end up doing because I didn't think really that the courts would essentially become our news stories on a day to day basis. From here, there is either a full appeal to the entire D.C. circuit, all of them, there are a bunch of judges there, or this would then go on to the Supreme Court if it were in some way appealed and we would find out whether or not it is able to, that that ruling is able to stand. I'm here to tell you it is not. An individual federal district court judge, as we told you when this happened, does not have the power to say to the President of the United States, turn that plane around and bring it back to the country. Uh, that is crazy. The fact that he attempted to do it is crazy. It is not dissimilar to what happened in the 9th Circuit when you had, I believe it was Judge Breyer, a federal district court judge there, try to say Trump didn't have the ability to call in the Guard to help with all of the protests that were going on against ice. If the President can't call in state and National Guard and if he doesn't have the power when he sees issues arising to put them down, then there is no supremacy clause. And we told you this at the time, individual state governors cannot overrule the President of the United States when it comes to issues relating to the National Guard or to the State Guard. So anyway, all of that has continued to be a battle. Trump is in the right. All of the resistance 2.0 is not coming, by and large from the Democrat Party. Uh, it's not coming from organized mass protests. There's been virtually none. There is not the energy this term to be doing that, even with likely money being spent by Trump's adversaries. So it's basically federal district court judges who have decided, we don't like some of the decisions that Trump is making and we are going to oppose them. So that happened today. Bozberg in D.C. being shot down by the three judge panel that considered the ruling that he attempted to put in place that would have limited President Trump's power. Okay, now you just heard from Grant Napier, who was fired. He said he spent 32 years as the voice of the Sacramento Kings. 26 years doing sports, and he lost his job for tweeting All Lives Matter, every single one. Five years later, credit to Fox Sports Radio Sacramento, he is being given back his ability to talk about sports on the radio. But I don't know if there is a better story out there than Grant Napiers to illustrate just how crazy the country went and how crazy sports went. I did a story and I was one of the few people who would actually speak out in favor of Grant because Buck likes to joke about this sometimes, but when you attack me, I double or triple or quadruple down. I don't tiptoe up. I don't step back and say, hey, I'm sorry, I was wrong here. I knew in real time, as most people did, firing somebody for tweeting All Lives Matter, every single one, is indefensible. It is indisputably true, and it is not racist, and it is not worthy of someone losing their job, a job that they had done well for 32 years and 26 years. Most people knew that. Most people were cowards. And this is how Buck and I met. Because Buck was similar in that he didn't back down surrounding Covid, he didn't back down surrounding blm, and neither did I. And what has often disappointed me, and I'm glad that we're in the payback stage where so many people who made so many awful decisions are now being rejected, being held accountable. But I'm still very troubled that all of that happened. Because what it told me about human nature is cowardice is far more common than bravery. And what it told me was a lot of people will shut their mouths if they think anything negative might happen to them, even if they know what's going on is wrong. And I, back in those days, would regularly come on my show and I would call out rich people because I got so angry. I understand. I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's right. It makes me sick to my stomach. But I understood in 2020, if you had a job, you were trying to get your kid into college, you had a mortgage to pay, and you just said, I can't afford to lose this job. I understand why a lot of those people were afraid to speak out because they had no power. And that's why really, starting about 2020, when I would see people out in public, and certainly since I've started doing this show with Buck in 2020, 2021, what people would come up and say to me was, you say what? I wish I could say. Thank you. And as a guy who did sports, I never had heard that before, because it's sports, right? Like, who cares? I love it. But if I say that your team's going to win the super bowl or lose the super bowl or win the National Championship or not win the National Championship, that was a bad call. I love it. But it's the toy chest of life. Unless you're on the team, own the team, or are in some way directly compensated by the team, whoever wins a championship doesn't probably change your life that much. But in 2020, during COVID during BLM, when they tried to put President Trump in prison for the rest of his life, that stuff really does matter. And so I understood if you were out there and you were struggling and you just wanted to pay your mortgage and you just wanted to get your kids into school, and you would get on social media and you would think, man, I really want to say something. I bet a lot of you wrote something on Facebook. I bet a lot of you wrote something on Twitter or Instagram or maybe even an email that you were thinking about sending inside of your company. And then you hit delete because you said, I can't afford to lose my job. And your primary job as a dad or a mom, in my opinion, is to provide for your family. Everything else is secondary. So I understood why those people, why many of y' all out there. I have been in this world before. I understood why a lot of people hit delete. The people that I still have a lot of contempt for are the people who were filthy rich, said they agreed with everything that I said, and then never spoke out. Because I gotta be honest with y'. All. If you have FU money, if you have money where you're never gonna have to worry about paying a mortgage, you got a second home, you got a third home, you got fancy cars, you got kids that you can stroke a check for to go to any college in the country, your cowardice made me sick. And I saw it everywhere. People who run companies, people who never had to worry about anything financially for the rest of their life, they turned tail. They, to me, were the biggest cowards. Because they were the kind of people who said, fire. Fire Grant Napier for saying all lives matter. Every single one. And frankly, I'm never gonna forgive those people. Because a lot of them now, they're front runners, they're cheerleaders. Yay, we get a tax cut. Boy, I'm glad Trump won. Where were you when it mattered? I think about this all the time. Where were you when there were consequences, when there were cost, when somebody might not have set you on whatever Flipp charity board you're on? Where were you? You were a yellow bellied coward. You let situations like Grant Napier happen everywhere and you didn't do a damn thing. So money is only useful in the context of what it allows you to do that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do. There's a great line. This is why when everybody drafts new quarterbacks, what they care about so much is how much do you love what you do? Because as soon as you get that $50 million check, there's pretty girls everywhere, there's fancy cars, there's really great vacations. If you don't love what you're doing, money will make you more of what you already are. If you are a die hard, I'm getting up and I am grinding, I'm gonna bust my ass. You sell a company, you sign a 50 million dollar deal, you do the same thing you were doing before you got the money. But if you're the kind of person who looks around, worries all the time about what people are gonna say about you, you become even more of a coward the more money you get. And there are so many of those people out there, and I think about them, the Grant Napier story is a good one. Most of us are never going to have billions of dollars. We're not going to own radio stations, we're not going to own companies that when they come to you with an employee sending a tweet, it's your decision what to do. But a lot of people had that. And now that Trump's in office, they're waving the pom poms and they're running around and they're cheering. I don't care who wants to celebrate after a victory. I want to know who's going to be there when you get your ass kicked. Because that's character, that's courageous. And Grant Napier story. Oh, there's an awful lot of people who will send you a text or make a phone call and say, boy, I feel really bad for you. Yeah, that'd be, you know, would be great is if you would say that public. Well, I can't do that. Well, they might be mad at me then. So many people who knew better and so many people who had the resources to have nobody ever actually be able to do anything to them. They were nowhere to be found when it mattered most. And now guess what? You look up and some of those people are some of the biggest cheerleaders because Trump's back in office now. Just remember it. And remember how quickly those front runners will fade as soon as somebody else is in power and as soon as somebody else makes them a little bit uncomfortable and requires any element of courage to speak out against what they believe is wrong.

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[Clay Travis]

More marital experience here. I was not really aware of this.

[Buck Sexton]

And now I'm such a young man.

[Clay Travis]

In the marriage game when, yeah, I'm a newbie into all this. Your wife can look at you and be a little unhappy, quite unhappy, quite sternly. And you can ask her, hey, honey, what's going on? She said, nothing, I'm fine. And you say, are you sure? She goes, I'm fine. And then you know, she's not fine. And then you say, okay. And then you try to, like, escape the situation. And right before you leave the room, she goes, do you know what you did in my dream last night? Now, the answer to that is, of course, no. But, Clay, I just know that you could be in trouble as husband for whatever the wife has had a dream about.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, so here's the flip side. Can you imagine holding her accountable in any way or being angry for her based on something that she did in your dream? Has this happened at any point in your relationship that you can remember so far?

[Clay Travis]

No.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. No. So do you think it's only. I don't know because I'm with.

[Grant Napier]

No.

[Buck Sexton]

But my.

[Clay Travis]

My understanding is these are the rules of marriage. Like wife is allowed annoyed over morning coffee for at least a little bit if you were naughty in the dream that she had, even if she knows it was a dream. These are the rules. I don't make the rules.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, I get it. I'm just trying to think why would women be able to get mad at their husbands? But I'm just asking because I can't recall ever being angry at my wife over something that she did in my dream. Right.

[Clay Travis]

Has Laura ever been mad at you for what you did in her dream?

[Buck Sexton]

That's a great question. We've been married for almost 21 years. I'm sure I've given her ample reasons to be mad at me for many reasons, both awake and dreaming over those 21 years. But I can't remember. But it feels like probably yes is the answer. But it is an interesting question because my point is if you had been angry at her, I don't think it would be accepted.

[Clay Travis]

No, of course not. I'm a dude. We can't do that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. So why is it acceptable the opposite direction? I think it's an interesting question. I'm going to go downstairs and ask. Men and women are.

[Clay Travis]

Men and women are different, buddy.

[Grant Napier]

You know that.

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