Hour 2 - The Black Culture Problem

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 - The Black Culture Problem

June 11, 2026 | iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode’s main theme revolves around the social and cultural dynamics involved in the highly publicized Carmelo Anthony murder trial. Buck Sexton, with guest reporter Savannah Hernandez (Turning Point USA), explores the atmosphere outside the courthouse, analyzes reactions within parts of the black community, and scrutinizes the intersection of race and justice in America. The latter part of the hour shifts to breaking news and analysis regarding a developing U.S.-Iran nuclear deal under President Trump.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Carmelo Anthony Trial – On the Ground Reporting

• [02:20–06:21]
  Buck Sexton welcomes Savannah Hernandez, who covered the trial and the courthouse scene.

Courtroom & Security:

• Difficult entry due to heavy security (Savannah covering jury selection).
• Public access was extremely limited; lines began as early as 3 a.m. for only 27 public seats in a live-stream viewing area.
• The judge set curfews and other strict protocols due to the case's high tension.

The Atmosphere:

• Strong daily presence of Carmelo Anthony supporters, most wearing “We Decree Carmelo Anthony Will Be Free” shirts.
• Early and vocal fundraising for Anthony’s legal defense, with money raised channeling to his family.

“One of the things that his attorney was trying to do… was refer to Carmelo Anthony as ‘Melo’ as a way to… bolster that very youthful appearance, that youthful look.”
— Savannah Hernandez, [04:55]

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2. Racial Tensions and Public Reaction

• [06:21–13:41]
  Buck queries Savannah on the supporters’ demographics, their interaction with media, and inflammatory rhetoric.

Hostility Toward Media:

• Carmelo Anthony supporters were aggressive toward both local and national media.
• Any attempts to glean basic information or interviews were rebuffed with hostility, regardless of the media outlet.
• A local reporter was nearly attacked simply for asking a group leader for a name.

Racial Overtones and Divisiveness:

• Supporters refused to engage with the case facts, focusing solely on Anthony's innocence due to racial identification.
• Metcalfe (victim) family supporters faced severe racial slurs and threats.
• Multiple attempts by activists and even black members of Congress to cast the case as racially motivated, though race was not raised in trial testimony.

“They were met with some of the most heinous racial slurs that I have ever heard… quotes such as, ‘You’re going to be pushing up daisies, just like Metcalfe. If I was close enough to you, I would push you into the grave.’”
— Savannah Hernandez, [07:54]

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3. National Political and Media Response

• [09:50–12:10]
  Buck plays audio from Rep. Jasmine Crockett’s podcast, then dissects her framing of the verdict.

“People don’t know what it’s like to live as a black person in this country…The fact that there was little to no mercy seen, or humanity seen, when this black boy said that, I was scared.”
— Rep. Jasmine Crockett, [10:02]

• Crockett questioned whether Anthony’s pocketknife could even be considered a “deadly weapon.”

"So was it small? Well, I would argue the size of it alone, you wouldn’t even think it’s a deadly weapon.” — Crockett, [11:38]

Buck and Savannah critique this:

"She thinks that the weapon used to kill someone is not a deadly weapon. I think that’s actually… a perfect encapsulation of Jasmine Crockett's legal thinking and capabilities."
— Buck Sexton, [11:56]

• Savannah describes the pervasiveness of “victim mentality” and how, even with clear evidence and black witnesses against Anthony, some black community subsets would not accept the verdict.

“I don't even know how to begin to understand this mindset of ‘we are going to stand by our own whether or not they murdered somebody in cold blood.’ But it’s a real problem in this country.”
— Savannah Hernandez, [13:36]

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4. Trial Numbers, Victim Impact, and Fundraising

• [13:41–15:50]
  Savannah recounts courthouse crowd demographics (all black Anthony supporters), lack of engagement with evidence, and how Carmelo’s family fundraised more than $600,000, some of which was used for personal benefit.

• She summarizes moving victim impact statements, including Austin Metcalfe’s family, their grief, and Carmelo’s lack of remorse.

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5. Buck’s Analysis: Racialized “Solidarity”

• [15:50–17:11]
  Buck posits:

“I do not believe that they think that he is innocent. I think they know what he did. …The attitude…was ‘the white boy got what was coming to him.’”
— Buck Sexton, [15:57]

He insists there was no plausible self-defense claim, and that facts were dismissed for an attitude of racial solidarity over justice.

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6. Caller Feedback and Broader Discussion

• [21:13–22:04]
  Caller Kyle (Ohio) asks why trials like this can’t be fully televised so the public can see all the evidence and cross-examinations, especially since black witnesses testified against Anthony.
  Buck explains courtroom broadcasting restrictions (minors involved, judicial discretion about media influence).

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7. Breaking News: Trump’s Iran Deal

• [24:51–32:59]
  Buck shifts to breaking foreign policy: President Trump cancels further strikes on Iran after a “deal” reportedly reached.

• Trump’s statement (paraphrased): Agreement among Iran and multiple regional stakeholders is close, with U.S. naval blockade to continue until signatures are final.

• Buck gives context:

"Until we know what has been agreed to, it’s really hard to know how much of a final victory this is against the Iranian nuclear program. ... Don’t tell me they’ve won until they win. Don’t tell me Trump has this done until it is done.”
— Buck Sexton, [32:59]

He outlines skepticism about Iran ever honoring deals, the critical nature of verifying details, and the multi-party complexity.

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8. Callers on Iran

• [42:05–44:50]
  Keith (South Carolina): “This is just kicking the can down the road. For 47 years, they’ve never honored a deal. … It will never change until we remove this regime.”

Brian (West Virginia): Cites Persian culture’s emphasis on pride and face-saving, and why real change is impossible without regime removal.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Savannah Hernandez [03:00]:
  “People were lining up as early as 3am to try and get into this trial… extremely competitive to even try to get into the courthouse at all.”

• Buck Sexton [15:57]:
  “I actually do not believe that they think he is innocent. I think they know what he did… The attitude… was ‘the white boy got what was coming to him…’”

• Savannah Hernandez [13:36]:
  “We are going to stand by our own whether or not they murdered somebody in cold blood. But it’s a real problem in this country.”

• Buck Sexton [32:59]:
  "Don’t tell me they’ve won until they win. Don’t tell me that Trump has this done until it is done.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:20] - Savannah Hernandez on courthouse security and public access
• [04:55] - “Melo” strategy and courtroom staging
• [06:21–09:50] - Aggressive supporters, racialized rhetoric, and Metcalfe family harassment
• [10:02] - Rep. Jasmine Crockett’s viral defense of Anthony
• [11:38] - Crockett questions if murder weapon was “deadly”
• [13:36] - Viral supporter: “We’ll stand by our own, regardless.”
• [15:57] - Buck’s key analysis on supporters’ real motivations
• [21:13] - Caller Kyle on trial transparency
• [24:51–32:59] - Trump’s Iran deal news and cautious analysis
• [42:05–44:50] - Caller reactions: “Kicking the can" and regime change doubts

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Language, Tone, and Attribution

The tone throughout was direct, opinionated, and sharply critical—especially about the perceived reluctance in parts of the black community to acknowledge Anthony’s guilt and about what Buck calls the “victim mentality.” The language mirrored that of the hosts and guests: candid, sometimes provocative, and political, in line with the show’s conservative bent.

Attribution was clearly given for all notable quotes, with timestamps to guide listeners to specific moments.

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Summary

This episode examines the Carmelo Anthony trial through the lens of courtroom dynamics, street-level activism, and media portrayal, tying results to broader questions of racial solidarity versus objective justice. It then pivots to a breaking foreign policy story, with Buck Sexton urging skepticism and patience regarding President Trump’s supposed triumph in Iran. The episode features real-time updates, caller perspectives, and sharp exchanges on both domestic and international controversies.

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For listeners seeking to understand both the legal and cultural underpinnings of the Anthony case, and the latest in U.S.-Iran relations, this episode delivers detailed context, direct witness accounts, and unfiltered commentary.

Transcript

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second hour, Clay and buck kicks off. Now we're joined by Savannah Hernandez, turning point USA frontlines reporter. She was covering the trial of Carmelo Anthony, which we know ended with a guilty, a guilty verdict and a 35 year prison sentence for Anthony. Savannah, thanks for being with us.

[Savannah Hernandez]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Buck Sexton]

Tell us, were you there? You know, give us the full scope before we get into some of the aftermath here. You were there each day. What was it like? You know, inside, outside the courtroom, some of those atmospherics of your reporting.

[Savannah Hernandez]

Sure. So getting Inside of the courthouse was in itself extremely difficult because the judge in this case really put a lot of security protocols in place to try to keep this, you know, trial as secure as possible. So I was able to go inside for jury selection. And that's when I saw, you know, first look at Carmelo Anthony. And the jury selection process was really interesting in itself because the way that it worked is the courtroom itself was sectioned off for friends, family, and then just six members of the media. But then there was a separate room where the actual jury selection and then the trial was being live streamed to. And then people could line up every single day, you know, members of the public. And there were 27 spots for that room. However, people were lining up as early as 3am to try and get into this trial. You know, the judge, one of the security protocols that he had put in place was that there was. Was a curfew on courthouse grounds. So nobody could be at the courthouse from 11pm to 6am but people would line up on the public sidewalk as early as 3 o' clock in the morning to try to get a spot in line for this alternate room that was open to the public. So very competitive to actually even try to get into the courthouse at all. However, again, all of the action on my end was outside because you did have groups of Carmelo Anthony supporters that were there every single day. I got there last Monday and I wanted to be there for the jury selection process. And the Carmelo supporters were there since day one of this trial. On top of that, I noticed as well that people began donating to Carmelo Anthony's Give, Send Go as well as soon as the trial started last week. So that was a little bit of what the actual scene was like being on the ground. Like I said, I was able to get into the courthouse for jury selection. Saw that first of Carmelo Anthony, who again, you know, as everybody has seen now that his booking photos have been released, he did shave his head. He had a very youthful look, youthful appearance. One of the things that his attorney was trying to do since the start of this case and during jury selection was refer to Carmelo Anthony as mellow as a way to, you know, again, this is my opinion, try to bolster that very youthful appearance, that youthful look and this youthful vibe surrounding Carmelo. So again, that was kind of just what it was like being on the ground there.

[Buck Sexton]

What were. Tell me about some of the. Because the videos have gone, and I think some of them are. Even your videos have gone very viral online of the Carmelo Anthony supporters outside saying some pretty jaw dropping, eyebrow raising things, especially after the verdict was announced. What percentage of them would you say were black? What were some of the things that were, you know, what was that like? Were they squaring off with supporters of Austin Metcalfe's family? I mean, take us to some of the. The melee outside the courthouse day to day and particularly after the verdict was announced.

[Savannah Hernandez]

Sure. So I, unfortunately, was not on the ground for the actual verdict. I had a legal meeting that I had to be at for my Minneapolis case. However, I was there the entire week prior. And again, we did see the footage that came out as the verdict was read, when verdict first came out. And it's exactly what I was expecting. Now, the week before, these Carmelo Anthony supporters were extremely aggressive. I had gone up to them last week on Monday or Tuesday when I had first gotten there, and I basically just wanted to ask them very basic questions. Why are you here? Why is this important to you? You know, what are your thoughts on this trial? And they were extremely aggressive. And at first I thought, okay, maybe they know that I work for Turning Point usa and they feel like that isn't a friendly media organization. However, as the, you know, the national media started showing up, they had this exact same reaction to everybody. And they. There was a local reporter there who had tapped on the shoulder of one of the leaders who was leading the chants such as, you know, our black youth deserve protection too. All of them were wearing we decree Carmelo Anthony will be free shirts. And they were there chanting about how Carmelo Anthony was without a doubt, innocent. They were not following the trial. They were not following the facts of this case. They were there every single day simply to declare that Carmelo Anthony was innocent. And anybody in the media who tried to speak with them was met with a lot of aggression. So going back to this local reporter, he tapped on the shoulder of one of the leaders of this group to simply try to get his name for the story that he was writing. And this Carmelo supporter acted like this guy tried to punch him in the face and a mob quickly formed around him and others had to hold this leader back. So this is one of the most aggressive groups I have ever encountered. I've covered protests for years, and this is one of the most aggressive. They would not let any media speak to them. Anytime anyone went over simply to again get the name of their group, their organization, ask them a simple question, it was very aggressive. And then you did have Metcalf supporters that were showing up last week simply to wave American flags. And they were met with some of the most heinous racial slurs that I have ever heard. And again, going back to that aggression, it was quotes such as, you're going to be pushing up daisies, just like Metcalfe. If I was close enough to you, I would push you into the. The grave. And these were simply people that were there to support Austin Metcalfe and his family. So that was, again, the week before the actual verdict was read. And then I did have friends that were on the ground for the verdict being read. They state that, again, there was a large group that was there. However, it was a few key actors, all of them, yes, African American, who were very vocal, very aggressive, very angry about this guilty verdict. But again, this was not surprising at all to me, based on what I had seen last week in terms of these supporters really not caring to follow the trial and really trying their hardest to make this about race, when in reality it was about Carmelo Anthony murdering Austin Metcalfe. Again, nobody on the witness stand brought forward race or how this was, you know, anything that was tied to race or racism at all. However, for some reason, multiple black activists tried their hardest to make this a racially divisive story and try to highlight how this entire trial was somehow tied to white supremacy and racism.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you might. Might have heard or seen Savannah, that member of Congress, Jasmine Crockett. This is cut 2016.

[Jasmine Crockett]

She.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you just got to hear this. Actually, I wanted to have you react to it.

[Jasmine Crockett (continued)]

Play 26, 35 years for a kid who had decided to go under a tent that was not his team's tent as it was raining and simply didn't want to be put out in the rain by some random kid that he didn't know who was larger than him. Listen, a lot of people don't know what it is to live as a black person in this country, but just like you can give the benefit of the doubt to so many police officers when they go out and they shoot some black unarmed person, even though they are trained. The fact that there was little to no mercy seen or humanity seen, when this black boy said that, I was scared.

[Buck Sexton]

People don't know what it's like to live as a black person in this country. She says everyone, including eyewitnesses who were black, agreed that Carmelo Anthony just dared someone to try to actually put a hand on him, to move him from the tent and then stab the kid in the heart.

[Savannah Hernandez]

Exactly, Buck. And again, what the defense tried to argue was labeled as disastrous by you know, multiple people, by many media, members of the media. The defense had no defense, quite frankly, of Carmelo Anthony. And even the witnesses that they called forward stated that Carmelo Anthony was in the wrong and that he provoked all of this. So again, you know, Jasmine Crockett coming forward and trying to frame Carmelo Anthony as the victim in this situation is quite frankly disgusting. She also went on her podcast and stated that she wasn't sure if the knife that Carmelo Anthony used could be labeled as a, quote, deadly weapon.

[Buck Sexton]

We actually here, since you mentioned it, we have that play 29 guys.

[Jasmine Crockett (continued)]

Was it a switch? I don't know what he was like. It seemed like it was a multi tool, almost like a Swiss Army. Yeah, like with the little scissors and everything and whatever. So was small? Well, I would argue the size of it alone. You wouldn't even think it's a daily weapon.

[Buck Sexton]

She thinks that the weapon used to kill someone is not a deadly weapon. I think that's actually Savetta, in many ways kind of a perfect encapsulation of Jasmine Crockett's legal thinking and. And capabilities.

[Savannah Hernandez]

Exactly. And it's so frustrating too because we have such a strong victim mentality in this country that you have a cut and dry case of mur. Jury was able to deliberate on this in mere hours. This trial actually happened very quickly. Let's not forget that it really started last Thursday. And then from Thursday to Tuesday, the jury saw everything that they needed to and they were able to come to this guilty verdict very quickly. Because again, like you just said, Buck, even, you know, black teammates, black people who were there that day, stated that Carmelo Anthony was in the wrong in this case. So for a sitting congresswoman, thank goodness that she's not going to be reelected and we won't have to deal with her in Texas anymore. But for a sitting congresswoman to try to make this a racial thing instead of just saying, you know what, looking at the facts of this case, this was a murder and this was wrong. It's really disheartening to see that this is the type of rhetoric that is coming out of some subsets of the black community. And I actually did interview a woman who was there in support of Carmelo. She went viral as well after the verdict is read off because she was basically saying, I have five kids. What am I supposed to tell them now? I had interviewed her the week prior and I asked if evidence comes out that shows that Carmelo Anthony is guilty of murder and that he was not acting in self defense, is the Black community going to accept that? And she said, no, we're going to stand with ours regardless. So I don't even know how to begin to understand this mindset of we are going to stand by our own whether or not they murdered somebody in cold blood. But it's a real problem in this country.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm wondering how many people were outside the courthouse, just roughly speaking, when you were covering this and did you see any vocal non black Carmelo Anthony supporters outside the courthouse?

[Savannah Hernandez]

When I was out there, I wanna say there was 30 to 45 for the day that the verdict is read off. I know that there was, you know, a much larger group than that, but when I was there, nope, they were all black supporters of Carmelo Anthony. And again, they were very much trying to make this a racial thing. This was very much. We're not going to look at the facts of the case. We are solely here because he is the same color as us and therefore he is innocent because he's another black American. Completely ignoring the facts of the case, completely ignoring the fact that an entire family lost their son. They have been going through this. And also too, you know, one of the things that was kind of overlooked was the victim impact statements, right? You had Austin Metcalfe's mother, father and his twin brother Hunter basically talk about how much they have been grieving. Austin Metcalfe father stating that he has been filled with rage, telling Carmelo that he failed his own family, he failed himself, he failed society as a whole. Austin's mother coming forward and stating that Carmelo got out of this easy because he got 35 years, but she's been sentenced to a life without her son. And then Hunter simply asking Carmelo to look at him in the eye when he gave his testimony. Carmelo was unable to make eye contact with any of them. So it's really sad to see how this entire situation played out. Let's not forget as well that Carmelo's own family utilized this tragedy to fundraise and they were able to raise $625,000 on behalf of Carmelo's, quote, defense fund. But again, that went toward putting them in a home that with almost a million dollars. Initially, Carmelo was held on a $1 million bond, but they pled to a judge that they were in financial straits and they couldn't make bond. And they asked for that judge to lower, you know, the bond to 250,000, which the judge ended up doing. And he was out on bond. The entirety of. Yeah, you know, the lead up to this Trial.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, Savannah, honestly looking at some of those videos and I know you're saying that the people you interviewed and now it's. I can say because you were there, all of the supporters of Carmelo Anthony at the courthouse at least were black. And from what some of them have said, I do actually do not believe that they think that he is innocent. I think they know what he did. I think that the attitude of some of the people that courthouse was the white boy got what was coming from to him, which is a different thing. I don't think that they think that Carmelo Anthony was innocent. I think that they're like, oh, you know, we got one on the other side here we managed to take. There was way too much dismissing of the actual evidence in the case. I think that there are some people out there who have so much animus that they were, they felt that, like I said, the white kid got what was coming to him here and that was their attitude. It's not that, oh, Carmelo Anthony actually was acting to defend himself because there's no, no there. As you said, there was no self defense case to be made here. Otherwise. I've told everybody if somebody bumped you, you know, in the subway, you could say they assaulted me. So I had to pull out a gun and shoot them. I mean there has to be a reasonable standard. Thank you for the reporting you've done on this Savannah and Savannah Hernandez, everybody. TP usa. And let us know how your trial. I know this is, this is from. We got to go to a break here, but this is from up in Minnesota where you were assaulted by anti ice lunatics. Right? Right.

[Savannah Hernandez]

Yep. They've all filed restraining orders on me. So I now have to go back to Minneapolis to go fight those. So on that case there.

[Buck Sexton]

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welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Caller Kyle in Ohio wants to react to Savannah Hernandez telling us about the coverage of her coverage of the Carmelo Anthony trial. What's up, Kyle?

[Caller Kyle]

Hey, how you doing? Yeah, just, you know, in some of these cases, especially the racially charged ones, I don't understand why, you know, in a court of your peers, why the rest of the peers, why you can't have this thing videotaped and have it out for everybody to see the whole trial so that people can see that there's black men and black kids, you know, testifying against another black kid. And then instead of the black community that's already made up their mind that this kid's innocent, you know, just take it from Kyle.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a very. I just want to answer what you're saying. So thank you for calling in. It's a very good question. And it varies a lot. Federal courts have, have pretty strict bans against like broadcasting that they don't allow camera. I mean, they don't allow like video camera streaming, that kind of thing of proceedings. And in state court there's a little bit more flexibility. So this was a state court case, but if the judge feels like there are identities that need to be a little bit protected. For example, there were minors who were testifying in this case case, he can say no meat, no media. You know, cameras going no, no broadcasting is what I mean to say of the trial. And also there's always this concern that the trial could become a media spectacle that actually influences the feelings of the jurors and of. And maybe even the lawyers are going to start to play to the cameras more and things like that. But, you know, it's an, it's an argument. I got to tell you. There's both sides to it, Kyle. So I hear you on that, that sometimes I think it would be better if we had a real clear video record of exactly what was presented. Pure Talk is the cell phone company I use and they have a new monthly low price for unlimited high speed data. You heard that right. Unlimited. And It's a good one. 34.99amonth for those of us who are on our phones every day. I'm on my phone all the time. That's a great deal. Pure Talk has something else going on now. Their newest commitment to supporting our veterans. They're taking a percentage of their revenues and donating it to veteran supported nonprofit organizations. Right now, PureTalk and its customers are raising and contributing $250,000 towards America's Warrior Partnership by the end of July. This essential nonprofit stands on the front lines of preventing veteran suicide. So all you have to do to be a part of this incredibly important mission is switch your cell phone service to PeerTalk this month and you'll have an opportunity to round up to support America's warrior partnership. Dial £250, say Clay and Buck. To be connected to Pure Talk, that's £250, say Clay and Buck. Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. President Trump was poised as of this morning for big, beautiful strikes all over Iran. The biggest strikes. We're going to kick their butts, all that stuff. He has canceled those strikes as of now. Breaking news. Different news outlets are currently reporting on this. So Trump has canceled the new strikes. So we had some strikes going on and we were told there's going to be a lot more. And now there's not going to be a lot more. This was from this. Just so you kind of know the context, this is from Trump this morning. This is Cut four. Play it.

[Caller or Guest]

There will be more bombing tonight. It'll be a bigger, bigger, more powerful. Don't forget we've knocked out all of their anti aircraft. They don't have any anti. They have nothing. I mean, they may get lucky with a shoulder weapon or something, but for the most part, you know, they have no defense. They're finished. But the papers, the media refuses to write it. They're finished. We can walk in there tomorrow. We could take soldiers. I don't want to have boots on the ground, but if I wanted to, we could put a small group of soldiers and take over the whole place.

[Caller Kyle]

Place.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so let's unpack this a little bit together. President Trump here says that the, that the Iranians are finished and that their air force and their navy and anti air defense notably are essentially gone, have been taken out. And so I think the next fair and necessary question is, okay, they must know that too. So why is there no deal? So I will sit here and say to you, I have just said out loud what President Trump says he wants the media to say, which is that we have completely obliterated a lot of aspects of their military, have total Dominance over their skies can hit them basically anywhere we want to in the country. All of that is absolutely true. Why don't we have a deal yet?

[Caller Keith]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

Like if we're just going to be intellectually honest about this for a minute. And by the way, maybe the deal is going to be announced in the next, the next two days, the next two hours. I don't know. But I know that I've been told for weeks now they're about to sign and they haven't signed. If somebody let me, let me take it back. Trump would take it this direction. Trump would appreciate this, I think himself, yourself as a real estate guy, if you were selling. Oh, here we go, here we go. I said cnn, the deal has been approved. This is now, we have this now. Okay, because I was about to say if you sold your house to somebody and everything is agreed to and they

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page there's clearly a problem saying now that the deal, CNN is now reporting a deal is approved by Iranian leaders. Ok, finally, it seems now I can't, I don't know exactly what's in the deal. I want to see what the deal looks like. But this had been the missing, the missing piece for quite some time now. We were told the deal is imminent. The deal is going to be done. It's going to be done. It's going to be done. So now it makes sense that Trump hit them last night and as of this morning was going to be hitting them again. And it seems that that pressure has resulted in something happening. This is in real time, by the way. So I'm now checking to see exactly, because we were just told that the strikes were on hold and now we are just being told that there is a deal. Let me see. I want to get more guys. As we're getting more information on this, this discussions and final points have been approved by Iranian leaders. That is what CNN is reporting right now. Okay. If this is in fact true, meaning the reporting is accurate, I want to know what's in the deal. I'm going to be honest with you about this deal. Here we go, Trump. Okay, I was waiting for this one. So this is what happens. Guys, guys, this is all breaking in real time. So I'm here with you. This is from President Trump just minutes ago. I'll read it to you from his Truth Social. Based on the fact that discussions with the Islamic Republic of Iran have been brought to the highest levels of Iranian leadership and approved, I have as president of the United States of America canceled the scheduled strikes and bombings against Iran this evening. Discussions and final points have been in both concept and great detail approved by all parties involved, including the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, uae, Qatar, Turkey, Pakistan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt and others. The naval blockade will remain in full force and effect until this transaction is finalized. Time in place of the signing to be announced shortly. DONALD J. Trump, President of the United STATES OF America okay, this is now the closest clearly that we have been to the deal. That's what I was like. I was like, we could have a deal in two days, two hours, let's see. And that was actually two minutes about for us to get a deal. So this is looking like it is. It is almost signed, sealed into law, delivered. I want to see what is in it because there have been ongoing negotiations with all these different parties involved that, that I'm sure involved plenty of horse trading, if you will. And in that respect, we need to see what has happened here. I will tell you that until we know what has been agreed to, it's really hard to know, know how much of a final victory this is against the Iranian nuclear program. I am hopeful that this is going to end up being exactly what Donald Trump has set out from the beginning, which is not only an agreement to take steps. And remember, I'm setting out this framework beforehand so that we can all be honest with each other about how this is actually turning out out an agreement to take steps that are both verifiable and enforceable so that Iran cannot reconstitute parts of its nuclear weapons program. Right. That's what really. So what that doesn't mean. And again, I haven't seen the text of the deal. No one has yet. What that doesn't mean is we're going to spend the next 90 days figuring out what the steps are. So we've agreed to that. That's a, that is an agreement to form an agreement. That's like a committee to talk about the committee that would not be. And now Trump has said all along he will not do that. I want to see what he does here because we've also been hearing for weeks and weeks the deal is about to happen. It's about to happen now. It seems like it's finally happening after quite a bit of wrangling and delay. I hope it's a great deal for America and a great deal for the region, because one, we've had quite an expenditure of military resources on this to the price of gas is a major. People can like it or not like it. It is a major political liability right now in a midterm election year, if it were to stay this high. And three, of course, I don't want us to be in a situation where we've done this and then this has to be done again in the future or we realize the hard way. You know, I can tell you right now, now, if the deal is not a good deal, Iran would, because of the oil revenue that it has or that it would have. With the strait fully reopened, Iran would be able to reconstitute. It didn't have much of a navy to begin with, my friends. And its air defenses, it will buy them from Russia, from China, from North Korea. It'll restock missiles. It'll do all of those things again if the regime stays. I will also note, regime change is not even a discussion anymore that's not even talked about. So that's off the table. The regime is the regime. The new leadership is whoever we are left with or whoever they're left with after we took out a lot of their leadership class with bombs or missiles or combination of the two. So that has been this process up to this point.

[Caller Kyle]

Point.

[Buck Sexton]

I can tell you that if after today we're told that they didn't show up to the signing or they haven't agreed or something, I'm going to be pretty salty about that because there's only so many times I think we can be told we, the American people can be told it's done, it's done, it's done, and it's not done. So I'm again, I'm the first one who's going to say, I hope that this is fantastic and that President Trump has this all, all buttoned up and ready to go. And, and if he achieves with this what he has set out to and what he seems very confident that he not only will, but maybe is in process of doing right. It's not just he said this is the mission. It seems like he has made a major step forward here to achieving that mission. If he, if he were to take it to the steps or take it to the point where he says we are going, it would be a masterstroke of foreign policy and national security strategy, the likes of which we haven't seen since really the fall of the Berlin Wall and Reagan and the defeat of the Soviet Union, I mean, this would be, this would be region transforming for the Middle East. So I am, I am all about this. I am like, like it. It's like Donald Trump is the Knicks here, and I'm a Knicks fan I want them to win, but the game has not been decided yet. So that's just so you understand where my psychology is on this. And if somebody says to me, well, the Knicks have already won Buck, I'd say, well, no, actually they haven't. Ok, so let's not. And don't tell me they've won until they win. Don't tell me that Trump has this done until it is done. And that includes seeing what the deal is with all these different, different parties involved in this because the Iranians are, this is what they, when I say the Iranians, I mean I'm not talking about like our Persian friends who live in Los Angeles and are all rooting for a better country. For those who are left back home in Iran itself, I'm saying the Iranian Molocracy, the irgc, the Islamo security apparatus that runs what is the nation of Iran on. This is what they, they, they, they prevaricate, they delay, they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They lie, they cheat, they steal, you know, whatever they got to do. There's no ethics involved in this process. There's no honor for them in the negotiation. They view this as all zero sum. They're trying to get the maximum for themselves and hurt us as much as they possibly can without suffering further punishment. Right. So let's see what this deal actually looks like. But that was quite a, quite a turnabout from we're going to hit them again with massive strikes. You know, Trump is saying that we're going to hear where the signing is going to occur. There are a few phases beyond that as well. Because what you really hope is that whoever's doing this signing is really calling the shots in Iran. What happens if someone shows up and signs this thing and then they end up taking a dirt nap because somebody takes them out when they go back home. Right. We don't even know, we haven't even heard who the leader is going to be be. It's not going to be, as Clay calls him, little Mo, I don't think, I don't know who it will be. Probably their foreign minister or something will show up and have the, you know, the scepter of authority of the Iranian people, at least theoretically in his hand as he does this. But this would be region defining and stabilizing if in fact Trump gets to where he says we're going. So I, like I've been telling you all along long, I'm a Trump fan, I'm a Knicks fan, I want victory, I want this to go the distance. But Trump still has to get it to game five or game six here, so to speak. We have to see the deal, we have to see what's in it, see what's signed and then how it's implemented. So this will be something of a process and I think we need to keep, keep an eye on all of that. So last night I was having, having some drinks, if I'm gonna be honest. I was having Perrier with lime because I don't know, I can't really handle booze like I used to. I'm getting old. But I was really comfortable because I was wearing Cozy Earth pants. I have these navy colored everyday Cozy Earth pants that I can get away with wearing with a sport jacket, but they're also so comfortable I can throw on a T shirt and sneakers and they're like pajamas level comfort. But they look slick, they look good, they're very breathable. I love my cozier threats when I'm traveling on business. 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[Caller Keith]

Hey, how you doing? Thanks for taking the call.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, sir.

[Caller Keith]

I wanted to say that I agree with you 100% about. Don't, don't tell the American people there's a deal to. There's a deal. Second, this is just kicking the can down the road. For 47 years, they've never honored a deal with any country. They've never kept a deal. And this is kicking the can down the road for another president on the road to have to deal with them again. You know, enough is enough. It's time. It's the Comani's got go to.

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Thank you so much, Keith. I would tell you as a, as a probability matter here, that's where I've been all along, which is I do not see the Iranians bending the knee fully. And finally on this in a way that this will not still be a problem for future presidents. I, and I say that hoping that I'm wrong. But I also am not going to be told that when this is done or if it's not done, you know, we're going to call balls and strikes here on this one. All right, I've, I've, I've been to this dance before with, with Iraq and with other matters where people want to tell us one thing when we all see another. Let's see where Trump takes this. I hope he, I hope it's the grand slam that he has been promising and assuring us is coming. But yeah, don't tell me another time. A deal is if we don't have like word in the next 24 hours about where the signing is and everything else, I'm going to start to get a little suspicious about some of this stuff. Stuff. Jerry in Florida. What's going on, Jerry? Jerry in Florida. Going once, I'm going twice.

[Caller or Guest]

I'm here.

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There you go. Jerry. What's up? You got to talk fast. We got a minute. Go.

[Caller or Guest]

The IRGC or the iman, they can't surrender their billionaires. They got money all over the place. Probably gold bars everywhere. They could Just leave town. They don't care if Trump nukes the whole place. They'll live a life of kings. Belguda. Yeah, I'm sure that Chicago and New York City would welcome them in. They could live like kings. So why should they surrender? They don't care about the people.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's go with Brian. Thank you, Jerry. Brian in West Virginia. What's up, Brian? We got 40 seconds.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

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Hey, I used to train with Iranians back during the Shah days in the Navy. And what I've learned by the people, the Persians I knew back then the day, is that their entire culture is based on pride and losing face. So if an insubordinate would cause a subordinate to lose face, they were eliminated. And until we remove this regime, it will never change. And American people have to realize this. I mean, I know people that were killed because they failed our courses in the Navy. And yeah, it's. It'll never change until.

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Yeah, they're a tough. A tough and stubborn enemy. Thanks for being with us, Ryan Green. Coming up in a minute, we'll talk LA Mayor's race and more.

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