Hour 2 - The Crazy Left

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 - "The Crazy Left"

Date: February 17, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss what they characterize as the excesses and missteps of the political left in America. They weigh in on recent international and domestic political gaffes, most notably by progressive Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) and Gavin Newsom, and examine how these moments reflect on the Democratic Party’s perceived competence and ideological direction. The hosts are joined by Congressman Jim Jordan for a detailed discussion on border policy, sanctuary cities, and the state of the House GOP agenda. Sprinkled throughout are topical asides on law exams, college sports, and even Winter Olympic curling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Book Launch and Intelligence History

[02:35] – [07:19]

• Buck Sexton discusses the release of his new book, Manufacturing Delusion, which examines brainwashing, propaganda, and the historical origins of secret police agencies (e.g., Gestapo, Cheka, Oprichniki).
• He shares personal anecdotes from his CIA service, including a story about being unexpectedly deployed to Nigeria and mingling in the “Wesley Snipes VIP Lounge.”
  • “Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century had a group that was loyal only to him called the Oprichniki… they had severed dogs’ heads that they carried on their saddles just to scare the crap out of everybody.” – Buck Sexton [03:53]

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2. AOC’s Foreign Affairs Fumble in Munich

[07:19] – [13:44]

• Clay Travis critiques Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s (AOC) performance answering foreign policy questions in Munich, deeming her response on Taiwan especially inept.
  • “If you are going to a foreign affairs event… you should know the ten most likely things you’re going to be asked and have a good answer for them… Getting asked… what America’s response should be in the event that Taiwan is invaded by China is a foundational question…” – Clay Travis [07:41]
• Clay notes that AOC’s answer was so poorly received that she felt compelled to call The New York Times and clarify.
• The episode compares AOC’s stumble to previous gaffes by Kamala Harris, suggesting rivals see an opportunity to damage her standing with Democratic donors ahead of 2028.

Notable Moment

• Trump’s Reaction to AOC and Gavin Newsom in Munich:
  • “These two people are incompetent and at least Hillary’s competent. She’s just Trump deranged… She had no idea how to answer very important questions concerning the world.” – Donald Trump [11:20]

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3. Discussion of Intelligence and Political Competence

[12:03] – [18:24]

• Clay and Buck debate whether AOC and figures like Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and Jasmine Crockett have the intellectual depth to handle high-level policy.
  • “AOC, not very smart, I don’t think, Buck. And every time she answers questions... she doesn’t have it.” – Clay Travis [12:32]
• Segue into bar exam trivia: Kamala Harris failed the CA bar the first time, Hillary Clinton failed the DC bar.
  • “If you fail the bar exam the first time that you take it, I think it’s an indictment of you personally.” – Clay Travis [16:06]
• They recall the debate over George W. Bush and John Kerry’s Yale grades, emphasizing media narratives around intelligence.

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4. Interview: Congressman Jim Jordan on Border Policy and “Crazy Left” Governance

[24:38] – [37:16]

Sanctuary Cities and Border Enforcement

• Jim Jordan criticizes Democratic obstruction on immigration enforcement, focusing on sanctuary policies in blue states and cities:
  • "In roughly a third of the country, left-wing political officials tell their local law enforcement, don't work with federal law enforcement… 17,000 times that we know of, bad guys were released to the streets in one year’s time, 20, 25, and many of them went out and did crimes." – Jim Jordan [26:00]
• Explains proposed legislation to let local jurisdictions cooperate with federal authorities even if states push sanctuary laws, suggest federal funding should be contingent on compliance.

Supremacy Clause and Immigration Policy

• Clay Travis presses the legal argument that federal supremacy should prevent states from enacting conflicting immigration policies.
  • “Texas wanted to secure their border… the court said Texas can’t do it... I think it’s a really easy legal argument to tie together… the courts have to make this determination.” – Clay Travis [27:51]

2026 Midterms, “Normal vs. Crazy”

• Jordan calls for Republicans to tout their record (“we did what we said”) and warns of the “crazy” leftist ideas (defunding police, abolishing ICE, open borders).
  • "Never forget to remind the voters the left is crazy. It’s crazy to defund the police. It’s crazy to say you want to abolish ICE. It’s crazy not to have a border..." – Jim Jordan [30:35]
• Both hosts and Jordan reference moderates like Abigail Spanberger as proof Democrats campaign as centrists but govern from the far left.

Transgender Policy and Democrat Party Pressure

• Buck asks if Democratic leaders truly believe in radical transgender and gender ideology, or just bow to activist pressure.
  • “Do Democrat colleagues in Congress really believe this transgender ideology stuff… or are they just too scared of the 10 to 15% of the radical left of their party?” – Buck Sexton [34:04]
  • “The vast majority don’t believe that… but the energy in their party has embraced this… It’s driven by politics.” – Jim Jordan [35:17]

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5. True Crime Media Frenzy: Nancy Guthrie Case

[42:22] – [45:21]

• Clay remarks on media coverage of the Nancy Guthrie disappearance, noting the lack of concrete developments despite heavy speculation and the public’s fascination with true crime.
  • “Women love true crime… if you look at all these podcasts that are true crime… women are obsessed with crime stories.” – Clay Travis [44:02]
• Buck and Clay observe that media outlets would not focus so much on the story unless the ratings followed, theorizing on the public’s appetite for drama over substance.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On History and Secret Police:
  “Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century had a group that was loyal only to him called the Oprichniki… They had severed dogs’ heads that they carried on their saddles just to scare the crap out of everybody.”
  — Buck Sexton [03:53]

• On AOC’s Munich Gaffe:
  “Getting asked… what America’s response should be in the event that Taiwan is invaded by China is a foundational question of American foreign policy…”
  — Clay Travis [07:41]

• Trump on Democrat Competence:
  “These two people are incompetent and at least Hillary’s competent. She’s just Trump deranged…”
  — Donald Trump [11:20]

• On the Bar Exam as a Test of Intelligence:
  “If you fail the bar exam the first time that you take it, I think it’s an indictment of you personally.”
  — Clay Travis [16:06]

• On Sanctuary City Releases:
  “17,000 times that we know of, bad guys were released to the streets in one year’s time, 20, 25, and many of them went out and did crimes…”
  — Jim Jordan [26:00]

• On Modern Politics:
  “Never forget to remind the voters the left is crazy. It’s crazy to defund the police. It’s crazy to say you want to abolish ICE. It’s crazy not to have a border…”
  — Jim Jordan [30:35]

• Transgender Ideology in Congress:
  “The vast majority don’t believe that… but the energy in their party has embraced this… It’s driven by politics.”
  — Jim Jordan [35:17]

• True Crime and Ratings:
  “Women love true crime… If you go look at all these podcasts that are true crime… women are obsessed with crime stories…”
  — Clay Travis [44:02]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:35] Buck on the launch of his book, “Manufacturing Delusion,” and its exploration of secret police history
• [07:19] Critique of AOC’s Taiwan answer at Munich summit
• [11:20] Trump’s direct response to AOC and Newsom
• [12:03]–[16:56] Debates over intelligence, legal exams, and political ability
• [24:38]–[37:16] Extended interview with Congressman Jim Jordan on immigration policy, sanctuary cities, and political messaging
• [42:22]–[45:21] Discussion of the Nancy Guthrie disappearance and true crime media coverage

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Tone and Style

The episode is brisk, irreverent, and at times combative, consistent with the show’s blend of political commentary and talk-radio banter. Both hosts and their guest, Jim Jordan, employ humor and pointed critiques of political adversaries while rooting their arguments in conservative perspectives on policy and history.

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Quick Summary

• Buck launches his new book and shares CIA anecdotes.
• Clay eviscerates AOC’s gaffe on Taiwan at an international forum, arguing that even Democrats are privately alarmed.
• Trump joins in ridiculing Democratic “incompetence.”
• Clay and Buck question the intelligence and policy expertise of current and would-be Democratic leaders.
• Congressman Jim Jordan discusses border and sanctuary city battles, touts the GOP agenda, and argues Democrats are captive to radical left energy, especially on social and cultural issues.
• A discussion on the public’s obsession with true crime highlights the Nancy Guthrie case as emblematic of media-driven drama.
• Throughout, the episode underscores the conservative mantra: the left’s policies and leaders are “crazy,” and voters should remember the contrast with “normal” GOP governance.

Transcript

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All right, second hour of Clay and Buck comes in right now. Thanks for being here with us, Calling out the top every hour. Manufacturing delusion. Public manufacturing delusion. How the left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you. My book took 18 months to write, six months for the CIA to clear. That's why I've been talking about this forever. It is finally out today. You can have it delivered to your home tomorrow. You can download the audiobook now. Well, wait till after the radio show, of course, but today, I mean, you can download the audiobook. I read it, so it's my. In my voice at a tiny bit of a cold. So if I sound a little husky, it's not because I'm trying to sound more literary. I had a little bit of a cold when I did the recording. But, you know, Clay and I are two guys who do a lot of media but also write our own books. So this is my. My book offering for all of you. Please go check it out. Let's beat that John Meacham book. He's a Trump hater. He's a smug lib, and he has a book out today. So that's in your hands, my friends. And yeah, let's. Let's. Also, I think you'll find some interesting stuff in the book. Historically. Like I talk about really the origin of the secret police as we know it. Clay, just like a couple little, you know, leaving some breadcrumbs here. The origin of the Gestapo and also of the. The cheka, which was the. And the okra, which were different versions of under the tsar. And then post czar Russian, Soviet, later Soviet secret police started with Ivan the Terrible. Clay. Ivan the terrible in the 16th century had a group that was loyal only to him called the Oprichniki. And they dressed in all black and they rode around on black horses and they had severed dogs heads that they carried on their saddles just to scare the crap out of everybody. And they had. Would work for me extrajudicial authority to terrorize, kill, torture, loot anybody who they deemed to be an opponent of Ivan, an opponent of his monarchy, of the regime and the Nazis and Stalin. They were very aware of this. This is history that people forget about, but this was very real. So anyway, just like, if you like history, because I'm talking about the current stuff, you like history, it's in the book. And you'll find some really cool stories. I threw in some CIA stuff. I talk about Nigeria. I think I have to share a photo, Clay. I didn't put it in the book. Obviously. I haven't shared it yet. Of me in The Wesley Snipes VIP Lounge 20 years ago in Abuja, Nigeria. Yeah, it was. It was quite a. In front of an oil painting of Wesley. It's true. They had a big oil painting they commissioned because he went there. So that was. And this was one of these things, too, where Clay, I was so junior and so young that when I told my office, hey, I'll go wherever, like, one of the bosses who was kind of a salty old guy was like, all right, nobody wants to go to Nigeria on this. Like, we'll send you. And when I was over there, people found out back home that they were like, you're, like, a trainee. What the hell are you doing there? You should be in. You know, you should be eating crumpets with the ambassador in London or something. Like, what are you doing? It was pretty funny, actually. They're like, do you want to. Are you okay? Do you want to come back? You've only been. No, I'm good. Actually. Had a really, really interesting experience there. I got. I got to do crazy, you know.

[Clay Travis]

How were you in Nigeria?

[Buck Sexton]

About six weeks.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's a pretty long time.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Oh, no, I was there, like, for a while. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

It was not a quick. It was not a quick visit and moving and moving around the country. So that was my first experience overseas with the agency. It was pretty. Pretty fun. Pretty cool stuff. And obviously, Nigeria is a Trump just. We had missile strikes there recently. We just. We actually just had to. Clay, I think in the last few days, US Forces arriving in Nigeria. Now they're on a training and assistance mission. But, I mean, those Delta guys or those SF guys, depending sometimes, you know, the training, quote, unquote, is a little more than just training, if you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, anyway, they're in Nigeria. So that's in the book. And there's some other. Some other kind of fun little background stuff that I haven't talked about before. You know, Afghanistan, Iraq, all that good stuff. Anyway, Clay, so it all ties in. And now let's talk Trump. Speaking of international relations, here is Trump on Air Force One last night. AOC was in Munich, and we discussed that was the. Was the answer. Actually, people say it was Kamala esque. But was it worse than Kamala? Because Kamala. I think it was, because she never even answered. Just turned into words.

[Clay Travis]

I, I think it's worse because some of the things that Kamala would stumble over and everything else were. I can't believe I'm defending Kamala on this, but were questions that she may not have expected. And to me, when you stumble over questions that are self evident, again, we, we even tried to give AOC some cover here to some extent. You know, she went to a foreign affairs event and knew she was speaking there. If you are going to a foreign affairs event and know you are speaking there, you should know the 10 most likely things that you're going to be asked and have a good answer for them. Getting asked, as you well know, because you just came back from Taiwan, getting asked what America's response should be in the event that Taiwan is invaded by China is a foundational question of American foreign policy that has been discussed for generations. And she's been in, in elected and in Congress since 2019. So the idea that she doesn't have an answer to that question I think is, is worse. It would be like, it would be like Kamala going to a pro choice rally and not having an answer ready for what she thinks on abortion. And I, I think even Kamala Harris watched that answer and, and was embarrassed by it. Let me say this too. It must be blowing up on AOC in a negative way because she called the New York Times last night. Did you see this? And gave a statement basically on what she was trying to say in that statement. And when you call Pravda and you tell Pravda, hey, I need to address something that's being talked about here, I think it's evidence that it's even registering on the Democrat side. I might have gotten this wrong when I said, hey, if you're a left winger, you're not even going to hear about this. I think on social media, partly because Elon has the ability to have a free Marketplace. I think AOC's answer was so bad it was getting attention. I'll also say this. I think some of AOC's rivals that expect that she may run for President in 2028 see it as an opportunity to kind of kneecap her with the donor class and just say, this is not someone with the depth of knowledge to be able to be a forward thinking leader of the party. So I think maybe what I miscalculated was how other Democrats out there might have seen it as such a bad answer that they concurry favor that in the quiet primary that's going on right now where everybody tries to convince people that they should be the one getting donor dollars. So I, I, I do think it managed to register and give. Producer Greg is out today, but his mix, which we played yesterday of Ms. South Carolina and AOC was very well received on social media and, and has been ricocheting around there as well. So, so I do think that this kind of blew up on AOC in a way that she did not anticipate. And, and that is the, that is the reality there. And speaking of the or you gonna hit us with.

[Buck Sexton]

Show? Well, no, I was, I was just gonna say Clay Trump weighed in on this. Yeah, that's right. Trump weighed in on what AOC says. Here we go. Play. We'll play Trump talking to this clip.

[Donald Trump]

One, I watched AOC answering questions in Munich. This was not a good look for the United States. I watched Gavin Newscomb answering question in Munich and this was a bad look for our country. This was a bad. These two people are incompetent and at least Hillary's confident. She's just Trump deranged. She was so deranged. She is an angry woman. But I watched the other two speaking and answering basic questions. Look, Gavin has destroyed California and aoc. I never heard her speak very much. And they started answering questions. She had no idea what was happening. She had no idea how to answer, you know, very important questions concerning the world.

[Clay Travis]

I, I think that here is my thought in general, and I think it ties in with Gavin Newsom going after Ted Cruz. Whatever you think about J.D. vance, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, I could run through a long list. They are really smart dudes. I mean, if you just had a Quiz bowl and you got Marco Rubio, JD Vance, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley. And I mentioned those four because I think there's a decent chance they're all going to run in 2028. And also I know them personally. They're really smart dudes. Aoc, not very smart, I don't think Buck. And, and, and every time she answers questions. Now, she's skilled on social media and there is a degree of, of, of panache and talent that is based on that. But when you have any depth of knowledge that's required to analyze issues, she doesn't have it. And look, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, you disagree with them. I think they're actually pretty smart people. I'll give you another couple of Rahm Emanuel sounds like he's going to run in 2028. You may or may not agree with him. I think he's a pretty smart guy. Jasmine Crockett AOC Gavin Newsom. Did you see him coming after Ted Cruz because Ted Cruz called him histor. Historically illiterate. Did you see that?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, of course.

[Clay Travis]

And it proved.

[Buck Sexton]

Proved how historically illiterate? It's crazy.

[Clay Travis]

Gavin Newsom, for those of you who didn't see it, maybe we have the audio or we can pull it. Because Ted Cruz, a part of the iHeart network on his verdict podcast, he was walking through Ted Cruz and basically saying, like, he's historically illiterate. He doesn't understand the history of federal and state. I'm paraphrasing, but federal and state power and how that interaction occurs. And Governor Gavin Newsom or his staff grabbed that and said, this is a new low even for Ted Cruz. How dare he attack me for being dyslexic? And I'm sorry, like, we use that phrase all the time. We talk about historical illiteracy and how it is so significant in this country that nobody understands anything based on history and therefore does such a poor job as a result. And Gavin Newsom wanted to be victimized and said that that was an attack by Ted Cruz on the fact that he was dyslexic. First of all, did you know Gavin Newsom was dyslexic? I had no earthly idea that Gavin Newsom was dyslexic.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, no one know, no one knows that Gavin Newsom is dislaid.

[Clay Travis]

So the idea even that he was being attacked based on his dyslexia, I, I would be stunned if Ted Cruz knows anything about Gavin Newsom's dyslexia. But the fact that Gavin Newsom saw that as an attack, again, I wonder. Gavin Newsom AOC Jasmine Crockett. Kamala. How actually intelligent are these guys? Kamala. Did Kamala fail the bar exam the first time in California, or am I making that up? She failed it.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I, I, I don't know. I would bet money the answer was yes. Let me see.

[Clay Travis]

Look up. Come.

[Buck Sexton]

Did Hillary fail the bar exam? You were saying? Hillary was so smart. I want to point this out. I think she. Hold on. I think she failed, like, three times, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. I'm not sure how many times she failed. I think what I will give defense as a lawyer here is what I care about is the first time you take the bar because you spend months preparing for it, months studying for it. All of those things I took back to back.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, she failed it. Kamala failed it the first time, passed on her second try. To be fair, the California bar, I think, is Supposed to be a pretty hard one. So that's not. We got to be real.

[Clay Travis]

You fail the bar exam the first time that you take it, Everybody out there who is a lawyer knows this. You spend months preparing for it, studying for it, everything else. I was going to give people passes if they fail. I've taken two bar exams in my life. I'm two for two. US Virgin Islands and Tennessee, back to back years. But the second year that I took the bar exam, I was practicing law full time. So sometimes people fail bar exams. If you're practicing law full time and trying to remember all of the details and study for it to pass, I'll sometimes give you a pass on that. If you fail the bar exam the first time that you take it, I think it's an indictment of you personally.

[Buck Sexton]

Just Hillary. Hillary failed. She passed the Arkansas bar, failed the DC Bar.

[Clay Travis]

But I bet she was doing full time work when she took the DC Bar. Small measure of credit to Hillary there. Studying for the bar exam is hard and it has. You can be a some of the most brilliant lawyers in America right now, if they took the bar exam, would fail it because you have to memorize all this random stuff that you will never actually use once you begin to practice law. I think there's a decent chance I would fail the bar exam if I took it tomorrow because I've been 20 barred for 20 some odd years. But you just have to study and memorize a lot of things that you would never apply otherwise. Failing the first time is an indictment. I think so.

[Buck Sexton]

Not surprisingly, we're having AI wars here. Producer Ali I just typed into Google did Hillary fail the bar? And the AI from Gemini says yes. Hillary failed the District of Columbia bar exam on her first attempt in 1973. Although she did not pass the D.C. bar, she had a successful legal career and passed the Arkansas bar.

[Clay Travis]

So after I don't know the math on this usually and I don't know the math back in 1970s after like five years they would let you wave in. So a lot of people don't have to take bar exams after you've practiced full time for five years or so. So I don't know what she was trying to do there. We'll do research on what the Hillary bar passage is, but I think Hillary is quite a bit smarter than Kamala. I would put a lot of money on.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you remember? This is always a fun one. Do you remember having George Bush was so dumb because of his grades at Yale when he was running against John Kerry and then they realized that his grades were better than John Kerry said Yale like the same time. That was great.

[Clay Travis]

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All right.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined by Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio. Congressman, always a pleasure. Thank you for coming to hang out on Clay and Buck once again. And I know you have some new reading material, especially because having been a doubter of the 104 mile an hour serve, we know you're not a doubter of the soon to be bestseller Manufacturing Delusion, Congressman. So I'm glad you have your congrats.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Congrats. Thank you. I look forward to reading every single word and learning. No, I've heard you talk about and some of the things you cover in the book. So I'm excited about getting the chance to look through it.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you. I talk about the origin of the assassin, Nizari Ismaili Sec. They talk about like there's cool stuff in there beyond just the political commentary and some of the psych, you know, sort of psycho political analysis stuff anyway, so please go get your copies, everybody. Manufacturing Delusion. Congressman, how are we doing? I mean, you know, we just, I want to take a step back. It's been a year of Trump and we were ready to say, you know, the call, the balls and strikes on stuff on the big policy issues, everything looks great. On the immigration issue, things have been phenomenal at securing the border, deportations obviously ongoing. Democrats want to hold up a portion of government funding over the like. Can you explain what the heck is going on with that?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, this is the crazy left again. You know, they did it for 43 days last, last fall on, you know, on Obamacare, you know, where everything they told us turned out to be false. Like your plan. Keep your plan like your do. Keep your doctor. Premiums will go down. You know, they were over 3. But they want to shut down the government for 43, same mindset here. They're saying, oh, unless you change policies on how you go get people who are in this country illegally, we're going to shut the government down. Which is exactly what they did. But they forget to address. And you guys were talking about this last week and doing a great job. Until they address the sanctuary jurisdiction crazy policies that are out there, I don't know how you get a handle on it. Because what's happened in now almost a third of the country, 18 cities, 11 states, three counties and the District of Columbia representing 31% of the population of our great country. So in roughly a third of the country, left wing political officials tell their local law enforcement, don't work with federal law enforcement. When you have in your jail, in your detention center an illegal migrant who's also been charged with some other crime, when a detainer is sent there from the federal government saying, just, hey, if you're going to release this guy, let us know, give us a call. We'll come pick him up there at the jail or at the detention center. But instead they say, no, we're going to release him to the streets. And 17,000 times that we know of, bad guys were released to the streets in one year's time, 20, 25, and many of them went out and did crimes. I mean, one guy was released and the very next day he killed an individual who was under a detainer. So until we address that, I don't know how you solve this because, because that whole policy creates this environment, this framework where you get the bad things that have happened, the tragic things that happened, like we saw up in, up in Minneapolis.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan. Congressman, appreciate you coming on. You just, we had a conversation about this and I think it's really important for people out there, Supremacy clause says that the federal government gets to make decisions on immigration. You and I talked about this, but I want to hammer it home here. We talked on this program. You probably came on and talked about it with us. And I know a lot of people in Texas came on and talked about it. The fact that Texas wanted to secure their border and the court said Texas can't do it because the state cannot make immigration policy. The federal government does. I don't understand. And I think it's a really easy legal argument to tie together why Texas couldn't take that act and all of these. As you just said, 31% of the country, states, cities and states that are blue, think that they can basically implement their own immigration policy. I Think the courts have to make this determination.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Great point. And we're going to try to help them by passing legislation out of our committee next week which would address that fact and say no, no federal law preempts. And if you have a state that says, let's say you got a county in California that says no, we're conservative, our sheriff, we want to work with federal law enforcement in the situation I just described, we want to work with them. And they, well, no, no, you can't do that because of state law. We want to be able to say no. If that federal, if that county sheriff or that county jurisdiction wants to work with the federal government, they can go ahead and we will step in and represent them and defend them if in fact the state comes after them. So that's part of what we want to pass in our bill next week. Not to mention, if you're one of these states and you have sanctuary city policies, there should be some ramifications in the federal funding that comes in certain grant programs to your state. And then finally, we want to put in the bill as well, if you're a family or an individual who's been harmed by someone who was let out, who should have been not released to the streets, but released to ice, if they let that individual out and they do something harmful to you or your family, you have a private right of action. That's the only way I can see that we can address this problem and deal with what again, 31.5% of the United States population is living under as we speak. That's how important this is. And again, as I said, if we don't address this, I don't know how you get a handle on all this situation.

[Buck Sexton]

How are we doing when it comes to maintaining control of the House? I know we're early, but we are in a midterm cycle. How do you see this? What do you feel like are the top issues? Obviously Trump administration's dialing in here on the economy, affordability, but also able to look at some pretty impressive numbers on gdp and obviously the stock market has been rocketing up. So what do you see as the central. Is it just gonna be the economy, immigration, election, Is healthcare gonna play a bigger role as we move along?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

How do you see it in a general sense? I think modern day campaigns are pretty basic. Go tell the people what you did. We ran for the job, you guys elected us. Here's what we did. We did what we said and you can say we've secured the border, we've cut taxes, record Tax cut, record time in securing the border. We gave school choice to parents in the big beautiful bill and we can rattle off all the things we've done. And then I think it's always important in modern politics to remind the voters what happens if the left gets back in charge. Never forget to remind the voters the left is crazy. It's crazy to defund the police. It's crazy to say you want to abolish ice. It's crazy not to have a border, which is all the things that were taking place under the previous administration. It's crazy to shut down the government for 43 days. It's crazy to have this sanctuary city policy where you release bad guys onto the street who do harm to people in those communities when you could have turned them over to federal law enforcement. So I think we have to, to remind the voters of that as we move forward and then also underscore, I do think the economy is improving. We had 4.3% growth last quarter. Stock markets had 50,000. I mean, it's like unbelievable what we're seeing. So remind the voters of that as well. But that's what campaigns are. We're going to say one thing, they're going to say another. We're going to have the debate and the people get to decide. But I feel like we got a good story to tell, particularly when we also remind the voters, remember what happens when the left's in charge. We can go back to that if they, if they, if they won this midterm.

[Clay Travis]

I think this important argument you just made, and let me give you an example that I think you're going to be nodding your head at because it's just across the Potomac from where you are. Abigail Spanberger got elected in Virginia. She ran 100% as a moderate, as a no nonsense mom who just wants to be a normal leader. She has gotten in office and in her first month in Virginia, they're trying to knock Republicans down to one congressional seat. They have embraced far left wing crazy town agendas. Tax increases have come across. She, in one month has demonstrated that she is actually a radical leftist. I like what you said, Jim, because Trump is maybe the most transactional president that we've ever seen in that he said, here's the list of things I'm going to do. This is what I'm gonna run on. And then he got into office and he basically just went right down the list, check, check, check, check, check. Whereas they lie and do the opposite of what they claim they're gonna do.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Great, great point. And you could add to that list of what Governor Spanberger is focused on, too, is taking away people's Second Amendment rights in the state of Virginia. So it just. She ran as the, quote, moderate governor who had a background in the CIA and working in the military. She ran as that individual and gets in and does all the left wing things. And you're right on the, on the redistricting. They're looking to take a 6, 5, 6 Democrats, 5 Republicans, Virginia to 10 to 1. And they got all this, you know, these links coming out from Northern Virginia all over the state. So, yeah, that I think, again, remind the voters this is who the left is and the left now controls the Democrat Party and they will go for all these, all these crazy policies. I still, maybe we talked about this before, but Sarah Huckabee Sanders a few years ago, I use this all the time, but I thought it was well done. She gave the response to the State of the Union and her best line was when she said the divide in America today is normal versus crazy. And you can go down the list of all the crazy policies the left has. I think it's always important to remind the voters that that's the case. And when you do, the vast majority of voters are common sense people and.

[Buck Sexton]

They'Ll elect Republicans Congressman to that, to that end of normal versus crazy. We started off the show talking about the horrific shooting in Rhode island involving a clearly, I mean, you just look at a photo of the guy, the guy's deranged. I thought the guy's clearly not okay. Clearly not. Yeah. Kills his own family. The whole thing. A horrible, horrible situation. Horrible story. We know that there have been a series of these shooting shootings, you know, high profile mass murder shootings involving these individuals who are psychotic and who are, you know, self identify as trans and the whole thing. Do Democrat colleagues in Congress really believe this transgender ideology stuff on the whole in general, or are they just too scared of the 10 to 15% of the radical left of their party? Like, I'm just wondering if you can give us some context here for, you know, does Hakeem Jeffries really think there's no difference between a man and a woman that babies are assigned gender at birth? Does he believe that? If you sit down over tea with him or coffee or whatever is you like, yeah, babies get assigned gender at birth. Because I want to see Congressman Jeffrey say that if he believes that.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, I think the vast majority don't believe that. But I think again, we're back to the energy in their part has embraced this, you know, this whole transgender thing and a host of other crazy policies. And that, that, that's the energy. So that's where they get the financing. That's where they get the campaign value. It's driven by politics. So I do think that's the case again, it's just like time and time again we see these crazy things happen and the left will go defend the transgender policies out there that seem to be part of this. So I don't think they buy it, but I do think it's driven by the hard left and the politics that are associated with that.

[Clay Travis]

Good stuff as always. Have you been watching the Winter Olympics? How do you think you do as a curler?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

I'm fascinated by the whole thing. So I'll click it on and watch a little bit of it. And then, of course, the controversy, you know, that was unbelievable. Like his what, his finger? I think it was the Canadian. I forget what team. Like, his finger touched an extra little push or little spin or something like, wow, go, go. Go figure. So, yeah, I am fascinated by, but I actually prefer this sports where they're like, like the cross country skiing, like that is just. Those people are just tough. So I kind of like watching some.

[Clay Travis]

Of that where the video of the guy running uphill on skis at a six minute mile pace, I mean, that is one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

No kidding. No kidding. So those guys are. And the speed skating, this, this the stoles guy, I think, who's the one. So many medals. He's like old school. I saw this piece in the, in the Wall Street Journal. He's like, old school. He went back to the old coach who just like trained hard, train harder than everybody else, and that' not so much of, you know, rest this day and do this and do that. It's just like we're just gonna outwork them, which I kind of. I kind of appreciate that old school mentality.

[Clay Travis]

Good stuff as always, Congressman. Come on with us whenever you want and enjoy the rest of the winter.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Keep up. You bet. Keep up the great work, guys. Thanks.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in clay Travis Buck Sexton show okay, a little bit of information. We have not talked Nancy Guthrie today at all because frankly there has not been very much story evolution advancement here but there's been a lot of talk about a glove that they found. This is according to Matt Finn at Fox News. Sheriff Nanos Tells Fox News that one glove recovered about two miles from Nancy Guthrie's home did not match DNA in Nancy's home and also didn't have a hit on codis. That is Buck, they did a DNA test. They found DNA. They still have no idea who, at least according to this, they still have no idea who was potentially in Nancy Guthrie's home.

[Buck Sexton]

It is a little bit strange, Clay, to see how much media coverage, kind of ongoing media coverage this gets with almost nothing happening. It's just, it's just the speculation Olympics. People have no idea. It's just people showing up on TV explaining the basics of procedure, which I'll be honest with you, you know, if you watch enough Law and order and CSI, you already know about 80, 80% of that stuff. And then just people saying, here's my theory. I don't know why there's that much fascination with that speculation. But look, we just want this woman to be returned home safe and sound.

[Clay Travis]

I just.

[Buck Sexton]

From a news coverage standpoint, it's remarkable to me, clearly this is getting ratings, but people are watching this, you know, like a war is about to start or something. I mean, there's such a fascination and there's not anything happening.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Truth.

[Clay Travis]

Women not say some men don't too. But if you go look at all these podcasts that are true crime, if you go look at all the television shows that are true crime based, women are obsessed with crime stories. So my bet would be that if you break down. Because they don't put on these stories constantly unless there is some direct connection to the ratings. Right? People say, oh, they're just throw it like no, they're. I mean, Fox News, MSNBC and CNN are in the ratings business. This stuff rates highly. I think it's women. Women are obsessed with true crime stories. Now the problem, leaving aside the actual crime that took place, is what you're hitting on. Most true crime stories have evolution. There is a plot point. You learn more information as you go along. I don't know that we know anything more really right now than we knew. What is it? She disappeared about 17 days ago? Something like that? I don't know that we know much more than what we knew the day or two after this happened.

[Buck Sexton]

Is there even a primary. You're following this more closely than I am. Is there even a primary theory right now about what happened? Like, I mean, the most common theory that is far and away.

[Clay Travis]

I think the most common theory has been that Savannah Guthrie's family was involved, at least online that has been specifically shot down by the sheriff there saying, we have investigated everybody involved in the family. There are zero connections to the family. The family is not involved. But when I look online, that's been the one that people are talking about the most. Again, according to the sheriff, that is not true. So anyway, that, that that glove did not, at least based on the public commentary, change the trajectory of this story very much. When we come back, Texas Senate voting has begun in the primary. What's going on? We'll tell you.

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