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All right, welcome in to the second hour of Clay and Buck. We were talking about whether it's conceivable, realistic that Minnesota could go red, perhaps even in the next presidential election. Our numbers guy, Ryan Graduski, he is the podcast host of It's a Numbers Game on the Clay and Buck Network. He's going to join us for a couple of minutes. Ryan, educate us. Break this down, because when you look at the macro numbers, the last election was pretty close. 2016 was very close for on the presidential ballot. And it seems like this should be considered a purple state. But as Clay pointed out, we just basically lose every election in Minnesota stretching back for decades. What's going on?
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Yeah, you know, they have a long history of organized labor. That's what kind of. That's one of the things that kept Reagan from winning the state, although he didn't campaign there because he didn't want to insult Mondale, that he would lose every state. The thing about Minnesota, unlike other places like Wisconsin, even, especially in the south, like Texas, is that the rural counties are not maxed out. So Trump doesn't win like 90% or even 80% in most of the rural counties, especially in the south and in the Iron Range. The Iron Range is where we have a lot of minerals. There's a huge labor portion there. Democrats still win parts of the rural counties in the northern Iron Range and perform very well in the southern counties. And as we have won more support from rural areas, we've been losing support from the suburbs. So when Tim Pawlenty won there in 2002 by a point for governor, what he was able to do was even though he lost a lot of the rural union vote, he was able to maximize and win the suburbs. We've lost the suburbs even though we've gained some support from the rural vote. So we're closer than we've ever really been. We're certainly closer than we were in the 90s or in the 2000s in Minnesota. But unfortunately, we've always managed to come up short. Minnesota also has a huge independent streak in it where they have, you know, they elected Jesse Ventura governor very famously, and they've always had independents win 5, 6%. It's really why Hillary almost lost the state was because so many people flocked to the Green Party and the Libertarians.
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So it's been since 1972 in the presidential election that Republicans have won in Minnesota. Do you buy that there are candidates either in the governor's race or the Senate race that's upcoming. There is no incumbent. I believe Tina Smith, if I'm not mistaken, has stepped down and said that she's not going to be running going forward. Is this winnable in 2026? When you look at the numbers, if the right candidate ran, it's very difficult.
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To sit there and say, I mean, Amy Klobuchar is allegedly planning a run for governor. She's very popular in Minnesota, very, very well liked, has always run a huge number. So she would be very difficult to beat if she runs for governor now. It's also a bad election cycle. I think if things were if the stars line, it'd be possible. Remember, Minnesota is one of the few states in the country that has a Democratic governor. Democrats elected statewide, but Republicans control the legislature. So it's not impossible because they do vote for Republicans locally in big, big numbers. It's just the fact that there's kind of this, you know, this obstacle of having to have this perfect map of suburbs and northern rural union voters that have to break. They did. Some of those rural northern mayors endorsed Trump even though they're all die hard Democrats. So they're starting to get there. They've been moving. But as we've continually dumped Somalians into the area, we've added Democrat voter registration numbers by 100,000. So that hasn't made it easier either. So you have a mixture of dropping refugees into this formerly very, very lily white states, rural union voters and suburbanites moving towards the left. I haven't seen anybody yet in Minnesota that can make that work, that can do that. If Klobuchar doesn't run and Keith Ellison does, he's the very progressive attorney general who's had multiple cases of domestic assault allegedly against him by several ex girlfriends. He would be the most formidable candidate for Republicans to beat. He's the one who could kind of, you know, he's barely won both, both elections. I think he won by one point. There was a third party Libertarian taking votes away from the Republican. He is the one that could be defeated. The best option to get defeated if he's the governor nominee for the Democrats.
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Do we get a sense for how the fallout in retrospect now what happened with George Floyd plays in the state as a whole. And now like I'm watching live on CNN and Fox News and msnbc, there may be over a thousand people protesting the ICE raids right now. It's hard to exactly count, but I mean, we've got an aerial shot. Do we get a sense for how that moves things politically? Is this beneficial to Tim Walls and Jacob Frey, or does it actually work against them to have kind of a, a reverberation or an echo effect in some ways of what happened six years ago with George Floyd?
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Well, I mean, in Minnesota, so Minnesota, like Milwaukee, like Madison, Wisconsin, like New York City, like Brooklyn, New York have become hubs for very far left Americans who basically move from all neighboring states. Part of the reason places like Iowa have become so red, or, you know, parts of rural Illinois or suburban Illinois, exurban Illinois, have become so much more red, is that the very progressive people that used to live there have moved into flocking to these big, big cities. So I would imagine people like in Brooklyn, Minnesota, or in Minneapolis in general are very supportive. Jacob Frey and Tim Waltz. Tim Waltz clearly was having issues because he had to not run for reelection. The numbers were so bad in his favor. He probably would have been defeated had you run again. So, you know, there's that going there. But in Minneapolis itself, I mean, it is, it might as well be Brooklyn. It is very, very far left progressive. And, you know, it's the purple hairs of the multi genders. That's Minneapolis right now. It's not like the home of Mary Tyler Moore anymore. So that's kind of where. So it wouldn't affect Jacob Frey, it wouldn't affect Minneapolis Proper or St. Paul Proper. Remember, St. Paul just elected a woman who declared herself to be an illegal immigrant. So they're very, very far left progressive. It's really. Can Republicans be competitive in any parts of the suburbs anymore? And can they ratchet up support among the rurals in Minnesota to kind of levels that you see in neighboring states like the Dakotas, like Iowa, like parts of Wisconsin? They really need those, those parts of the state to really come together in order to defeat the Democrats.
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It's a Numbers Game is Ryan's podcast. You go check it out in the Clay and Buck network. And Ryan, we fully expect that on the Vance Rubio ticket, you're going to have to be in charge of winning Minnesota for J.D. vance and Rubio. Okay.
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I hope so. Thank you.
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Thanks, man. So Clay, he really, obviously Ryan knows all the numbers and the precincts and everything. And that's why I wanted to bring him into the conversation on this as, as he was listening before in the last hour. But it's doable is the point. It is absolutely doable. But wow, Minneapolis is nuts. That's the other part of this. Just nuts.
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Yeah, it's nuts. And by the way, we're going to get a live Briefing from JD Vance and. And our friend Catherine Levitt here. Coming up in just a moment, inside of the. The White House. But this is the Washington Post. Headline and analysis of video footage raises questions about claims by President Trump and Homeland Security Sec. Secretary Kristi Noem saying video shows ICE agent in Minneapolis fired at driver as vehicle veered past him. I don't think that that is what the video actually shows at all, but maybe they're gonna go all in. This is the headline on the Washington Post right now. Um, and then the subheading is, Minnesota officials say FBI is freezing state out of probe into ICE shooting Woman killed was a mother of three and a poet. Um, so. So there you go. Maybe they are going to go all in on this on a level that maybe you and I didn't anticipate and try to claim that this, this woman was entirely innocent in some form or fashion. This is what Tim Walls just said, by the way. And this ties in with my history. Nerd. Dumb buck. Because he went to the Civil War. Cut 31. Tim Walls is now comparing the current status of the nation to the Civil War at the Battle of Gettysburg. Cut 31. When things looked really bleak, it was Minnesota's first that held that line for.
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The nation on that July 3, 1863.
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And I think now we may be in that moment that the nation's looking to us to hold the line on democracy. I mean, this is pretty crazy for those of you who are, like me, supreme Civil War nerds. July 3, 1863. Pickett's Charge. Pickett, Pettigrew Charge, to be more accurate, where Robert E. Lee tried to split the Union army at the center of the line on the third day of the Battle of Gettysburg. The Minnesota regiment was right there in the sort of the crucible moment. Crucible location at the center of that. Of that charge. He's saying that we are now in a similar moment to the Battle of Gettysburg. These people have lost their minds. He's equating ice trying to make sure that people who are not legal residents of the United States that are here illegally are able to be removed. He is equating this to the third day of the Battle of Gettysburg.
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Yes. He's insane.
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I mean, this is crazy town.
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It's crazy town. And this just shows you, though, how desperate. Look, you got to think about this. Did the Democrats manage a single moment of real counter narrative effective pushback in the last. In the, in the first year of the Trump administration last year? Did they manage? They did not. They were not able to get any traction on the anti immigration stuff, meaningful traction. They were wrong about the deployment of National Guard and the drop in crime that would happen, which is now something that we should talk about a lot more, by the way. I don't just mean us, I mean the country. So they were completely wrong about the deployment of National Guard into D.C. and elsewhere. They were wrong about what tariffs would do. They were wrong about the trajectory of the Trump economy. I mean, you just go down the list, Clay, and you see over and over again. That's why with this, it's like the first glimpse that they think they've had in a long time. You know, horrifically, I mean, this is, it's hard to say this because you just don't want to, you don't want to admit this, but really the most effective blow that was struck against the right last year was the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which is as evil as anything could be. But that was, if you look at moments where the left felt like they had improved their political fortunes in this country horrifically. I think that the aftermath and the reality of. I mean, look, this is why political assassinations have been a part of all history. It goes back to the Bible. If you remove a powerful charismatic figure that is in opposition to you, unfortunately that tends to have powerful consequence. There was nothing that they were able to accomplish peacefully and lawfully last year, Clay, to thwart the Trump agenda. That's even you can even really remember. So they're hoping that this incident becomes the rallying cry.
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Caroline Levitt, I believe, has just taken the White House press rostrum here and we'll be talking shortly. We may even go join some of that to see what she and J.D. vance are going to say about this. As protesters continue to attack the ICE agents in Minneapolis. And we are in a perilous situation. Not anywhere near as perilous, I might add, as the Civil War Battle of Gettysburg, but that's what Tim Walls is analogizing it to. We want you to find cost savings in the new year. You can start by switching your cell phone company to pure talk from AT&T, Verizon or T Mobile. Pure Talk will save you 50% or more off your existing cell phone bill without sacrificing any quality at all. That's because PureTalk operates on the same cell towers, networks, one of the biggest out there cell phone companies. Look, my kids are on Pure Talk. I use Pure Talk to stay in touch with my 17 and my 50 year, my 50 year old, my 15 year old. That'd Be quite a move if I had a 50 year old. It can be as low as 20amonth. For unlimited talk text 3 gigs of high speed data on pure Talk super fast nationwide 5G network. Here's how you get hooked up. Dial pound two five zero, say Clay and Buck. Pure talks US customer service team will help you switch in minutes again. That's £250. Just 20 bucks a month. £250. Save a bundle and you'll save an additional 50% on your first month. That's £250, say clay and Buck. Stories of freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day, spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. I still, I know I shouldn't be staggered or stunned by the stupidity of Tim Walls, but comparing what is going on in Minnesota right now to the battle of Gettysburg on the third day, my history nerd insult meter just will not allow this to stand. I mean, they tried to do this with Jan6, right? Everything that happens, they try to argue. The historical analogy is what happened in the United States during the Civil War. But even this is like, this is even crazier than that.
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Imagine the conversation with both sides, both sides at Gettysburg about, yeah, we need to have as many illegals as possible in this country that are going to get free stuff that comes from all of you. I don't think that would have gone over well.
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I think you're right. I mean, in, you know, whatever it was 165 years ago or what the math is on July 3, 1863.
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Yeah. If the Union soldiers would have been like, no, that's not, that's, we're not up for that.
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Yeah, I, I don't think anybody would have said, hey, in the future. They're going to analogize this day to what Minnesotans do to make sure that people who are illegally in the country are able to stay here. I think that would have been a tough putt for any of that to be, to be sunk. Don is driving a truck in New Mexico, my favorite state in the Union. And Don, you got to take on the Civil War. Take.
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Yes.
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Thank you for taking my call. Love the clam Buck show. You guys are preset on my iheartradio, by the way.
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Thank you.
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Since day one, you do a great job. Tim Walz, the most incredible Democrat out there. His whole career is based on fraud, his military career based on fraud, his private life based on fraud. He comes out and declares that the Democrats are trying to stop the Republicans. And he's absolutely right. He's got it absolutely right in that it is just like the Civil War. The Democrats who used to complain that who's going to pick our crops, who's going to wash our clothes, who's going to tend our gardens? The Democrats just want to keep their slaves again, they're fighting for it tooth and nail.
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Thank you for the call. It is kind of crazy sometimes the mask will slip off and Democrats will say, what do you mean you're going to not allow people to do low wage jobs that mean that we can pay way less for our meals? Who's going to wash the dishes in our fancy restaurants?
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Well, can I tell you what the other part of this though that's very important on this immigration conversation doesn't get nearly enough attention and we're going to get into more New Mexico people educating you on New Mexico in a moment here, Clay Upron. We're not going to, we're not going to let that go unsaid. The cost people need to understand. You may pay less for a while to have illegals washing. You may pay less for your food to have illegals washing your dishes, but you're going to pay a lot more when your taxes are funding their health care, are funding social services, are funding public schools, English as a second language, increase in law enforcement, disintegration of our sovereignty, political lack of political assimilation. There are so many costs that illegals bring upon the American people that to think about it in terms of, well, it's cheaper, it's cheaper to have them picking your fruit today. It's not cheaper over the next 50 years. My friends. Just look at New York City and er, visits, housing prices, etc. And what all the illegals there did. So people need to think of this in a much broader context.
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By the way, as we go to break, they have just arrested a man who spit on a federal agent and now it has accelerated in nastiness in Minneapolis. That has just happened in the last little bit.
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A CNN headline about what happened in Minneapolis. And this is the headline. I'm just going to read it. Outrage after ICE Officer kills US Citizen in Minneapolis. Well, that's one way to put it. And that is the way that many people in the corner corporate media have put this attack over the last 24 hours. And I say attack very, very intentionally because this was an attack on federal law enforcement. This was an attack on law and order. This was an attack on the American people. The way that the media by and large has reported this story has been an absolute disgrace and it puts our law enforcement officers at risk every single day. What that headline leaves out is the fact that that very often ICE officer nearly had his life ended, dragged by a car six months ago, 33 stitches in his leg. So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile. What that headline leaves out is that that woman was there to interfere with a legitimate law enforcement operation in the United States of America. What that headline leaves out is that that woman has is part of a broader left wing network to attack, to dox, to assault and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their job. If the media wants to tell the truth, they ought to tell the truth. That a group of left wing radicals have been working tirelessly, sometimes using domestic terror techniques to try to make it impossible for the President of the United States to do what the American people elected him to do, which is enforce our immigration laws. The president stands with ice. I stand with ice. We stand with all of our law enforcement officers. And part of that is recognizing that you people in the media, not everybody in this room, but many people in this room have been lying about this attack. She was trying to ram this guy with his with her car. He shot back. He defended himself. He's already been seriously wounded in law enforcement operations before. And everybody who's been repeating the lie that this is some innocent woman who was out for a drive in Minneapolis when a law enforcement officer shot at her. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Every single one of you. Questions?
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Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I wanted to read a quote from Tim Waltz earlier today.
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He said when things looked bleak, it.
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Was Minnesota's first that held the line for the nation on July 3, 1863. And I think we may be in that moment now. Can you comment on his rhetoric and Mayor Jacob Fry and whether they want to see unrest in Minneapolis?
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Well, that's very tough rhetoric from a guy who just quotes quit because his fraudulent activities have been uncovered. Look, Tim Walsh is a joke. His entire administration has been a joke. The idea that he's some sort of freedom fighter, he's not. He's a guy who has enabled fraud and maybe in fact has participated in fraud. That's what this new Assistant Attorney General position is going to find out. I don't care what Tim Waltz says. I care about getting to the bottom of this fraud for the American people and I care about enforcing the nation's immigration laws. That's what we're going to stay focused on.
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A related question here. I mean, Democrats have accused ICE of murder. They said they're targeting Americans. They told ICE to get the F out of Minnesota. This is going to stoke the fire against ICE agents. And you're talking about ICE agents right now being concerned about them. What, if anything, is the administration going to do to make sure these folks are protected during these protests? But also, should DHS sort of revisit their procedures here? I mean, nobody wants to see an American killed. Are there changes that need to be made to make sure something like this doesn't happen yet?
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But first of all, of course, nobody wants an American citizen to be killed. This is absolutely a tragedy. But it's a tragedy of the making of the far left. They have radicalized a very small segment of the population, taught them that ICE agents are engaging in wide scale violation of people's rights. What our ICE officers are doing is deporting the millions of criminal aliens that were let in during the Biden administration. So number one, we have to say, as a matter of leadership, and I would appreciate if the Democrats would join me on this, let's be honest about the fact that we have way too many illegal aliens in this country, our ICE officers should be supported in doing their job. You're trying to actually marshal the far left lunatic fringe to engage in doxing, to try to make it impossible for them to enforce the law, and in some cases, actually to engage in acts of domestic territory terrorism against our law enforcement officers. When you talk about different plans, different protocols, different policies, I forget exactly how you asked the question. Here's the simple fact. What we're going to do is make it easier for the American people's administration to enforce the American people's law. And that means that Democrats have to stop rallying the mob against legitimate law enforcement operations. And that means that we are going to get tougher. And that's what this AAG position is about. We're going to get tougher at the people who are defrauding the United States by inciting violence against our law enforcement officers. That's one of the things that we're going to do. We've already started that work at the Department of Justice, but we're going to keep on doing it. And this new AAG position is going to kick that into high gear. Vice President Vance, you just suggested that.
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This woman who was killed, Renee Goode, is part of a broader left wing network. Who do you think is behind this broader left wing network?
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Well, it's one of the things we're gonna have to figure out. But here's the way that I put it. When somebody throws a brick at an ICE agent or somebody tries to run over an ICE agent who paid for the brick and who told protesters to show up and engage in violent activity against our law enforcement officers, you see, just with this most recent terrible incident in Minneapolis, you see friends of this woman's or other people who are eyewitnesses saying basically that she was there to engage in obstruction of a legitimate law enforcement operation. How did she get there? How did she learn about this? There's an entire network, and frankly, some of the media are participating in it, that is trying to incite violence against our law enforcement officers. It's ridiculous, it's preposterous. And part of our investigatory work is getting to the bottom of it. Who's funding it, who's supporting it, who's cheerleading it. And of course, if there's a legal activity, activity related to that, we're going to get to the bottom of that and prosecute it where we can.
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Vice President, thank you for taking questions today. Is there a risk with you describing her as a deranged leftist talking about very specific facts of these events when an investigation is just beginning? Are you preempting a thorough investigation by drawing such conclusions. And have you received any information beyond the videos or we've seen publicly about this individual, her specific act that has informed your point of view?
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Well, first of all, the Department of Justice is going to investigate this. The Department of Homeland Security is already investigating this. But the simple fact is what you see is what you get. In this case, you have a woman who is trying to obstruct a legitimate law enforcement operation. Nobody debates that. You have a woman who aimed her car at a law enforcement officer and pressed on the accelerator. Nobody debates that. I can believe that her death is a tragedy while also recognizing that it's a tragedy of her own making and a tragedy of the far left who has marshaled an entire movement, a lunatic fringe, against our law enforcement officers. I think what is clearly happening here, and it's going to keep on happening unless the Democrats wake up and say, you know what, you don't have to agree with our immigration policies. You don't have to agree with what the president, the vice president believe about immigration enforcement. But why don't you take this to the ballot box? Why don't you vote? Why don't you organize instead? What some of them are doing, what some of them are doing is encouraging people to get violent with our law enforcement officials. It's disgraceful and it's got to stop.
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Just to follow up on that question, and again, thank you for taking questions, Mr. Vice President. There's clearly a lot of emotion in Minnesota, across the country over this incident. You're calling Renee Goode a deranged leftist. There's been heated rhetoric that we've also heard from officials. What responsibility do you and the president have to diffuse some of the tension that we are seeing play out in Minnesota, bring down the temperature. As this investigation is unfolding, what we.
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Have a responsibility to do is to protect the people who are enforcing the law and protect the country writ large. Whether you're a Democrat or Republican, you deserve to have the people's laws enforced in the United States of America. Now, again, I don't. I'm not happy that this woman lost her life. I'm not happy that this woman was there at a protest, violating the law by interfering with a law enforcement action. I think that we can all recognize that the best way to turn down the temperature is to tell people to take their concerns about immigration policy to the ballot box, stop assaulting and stop inciting violence against our law enforcement officers. That's the best way to take down the temperature. And we're not. Look we're not going to give in to terrorism on this. And that's exactly what's happening. People trying to antagonize, to commit acts of violence. They throw bricks at them, sometimes they shoot at them, sometimes they dox them, sometimes they go to their place of residence and harass their families. This is classic terrorism. And we cannot say that when, when, when a far left fringe is inciting violence against our brave law enforcement officials that we're no longer going to enforce the law that's rewarding the very people who are engaged in this garbage. The actual reward that they just got is a new Assistant Attorney General who is going to prosecute and investigate this stuff even more, even more aggressively than before.
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Yeah, thanks for taking, thanks for taking my question. So the head of Minnesota's investigations agency says that the U.S. attorney's office has essentially cut off the state investigations agency agencies access to the investigation. What is the precedent for that? And why shouldn't the Minnesota officials on the ground have access and evidence to work on this investigation?
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First of all, I wish the state officials in Minnesota would investigate why you have so many people who are using their vehicles and other means to actually interfere with a legitimate law enforcement operation. The precedent here is very simple. You have a federal law enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action. That's a federal issue. That guy is protected by absolute immunity. He was doing his job. The idea that Tim Walsh and a bunch of radicals in Minneapolis are going to go after and make this guy's life miserable because he was doing the job that he was asked to do is preposterous. The unprecedented thing is the idea that a local official can actually prosecute a federal official with absolute immunity. I've never seen anything like that. It would get tossed out by a judge. So what I'd like Minnesota to focus on is the real issue that they're encouraging people, Minneapolis officials are encouraging people to commit violence against ICE officials. It's ridiculous. It's got to stop. Go ahead, Mr. President.
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Thank you. We said earlier that there's a left wing network to attack, to dox, to assault, and make it impossible for ICE officers to do their job. You told my colleague just now that there's an investigation going on into that network.
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Yeah.
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So if everything you say is true, how does being part of that network justify being shot?
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Well, being part of the network doesn't justify being shot. But ramming an ICE officer with your car, that's what justifies being shot. It's not a good thing, by the way. But when you Force somebody to engage in self defense. It's almost a preposterous question. I'm not saying that funding some of this stuff justifies capital punishment. Nobody would suggest that. The reason this woman is dead is because she tried to ram somebody with her car and that guy acted in self defense. That is why she lost her life. And that is the tragedy. Now, there may be other violations of the law and other penalties that are associated with those violations of the law. For example, if you are funding violence against our law enforcement officers. I'm not a prosecutor. My guess is that's not the sort of thing that earns capital punishment. But it should sure as hell earn you a few years in prison if you're funding the effort to try to insult our law enforcement officers. What is. I'm sorry guys, what's going on here? You guys are meant to report the truth. How have you let yourself become agents of propaganda of a radical fringe that's making it harder for us to enforce our laws? You just asked me a question that presumed that the reason why this woman died is because she was engaged in legitimate protest. She tried to run somebody over with her car and the guy defended himself when that happened. Next question.
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The investigation is still on.
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I said next question. Mr. Vice President, I mean, you presumably watched the video yourself. There's not the slightest doubt in your mind, having viewed it, that this the victim, you still believe that she deliberately tried to ram him despite. Despite seeing this video? Look, I don't know what is in a person's heart or in a person's head. And obviously we're not gonna get the chance to ask this woman what was going on. What I am certain of is that she violated the law. What I'm certain of is that that officer had every reason to think that he was under very serious threat for injury or in fact his life. What I'm certain of is that she accepted accelerated in a way where she ran into the guy. I don't know what was in her heart and what was in her head, but I know that she violated the law and I know that officer was acting in self defense. That's it. Raise an interesting point though. Look, if people want to say that, we should have a legitimate debate about, you know, what was she really doing, right? Was she panicking when she drove into this officer or was she actually trying to ram him? That's a, that's a reasonable conversation. What's not reasonable is for so many of you to plaster all over the media that this was an innocent woman and that the ICE agent committed murder, which is what many of you have said explicitly and some of you have said implicitly. That's what I have an objection to. The idea that this was not justified is absurd and I think everybody knows it in their heart.
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Yeah, all right, all right, I got it. We got to leave it there for a second, Clay, that we usually don't take something live for that long unless it's like a presidential address during the show. That was an Absolute Clinic Masterclass.
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J.D.
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Vance Masterclass. That was. Man, I gotta say. I gotta take a walk after that one. I gotta go.
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Let me also point this as you get ready to do your read. Cnn to their credit, has covered that entire press conference. This is my quad box. Obviously Fox News is covering it. Not one minute of J.D. vance talking has been covered by MSNBC. Of course, one minute.
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Because they, they need to use this for ratings and for emotional impact as long as they can. And JD just threw cold water all over that because his point is absolutely correct, which is you, you can say maybe the woman was trying to do this or that, but to say that this cop committed murder is insane. Ok? Yes, it's insane. So that's where, that's where we are. We've got video. We can see the video. You know, she forced this situation. It's very sad. What she did was very dumb. She didn't, she shouldn't, you know, have paid for with her life. But it's not the cop's fault that, in this case, the ICE officer's fault that he defended himself under the situation. Not, not his fault criminally. Not his fault ethically. All right, we'll come back into this. You want to be fired up like J.D. vance because that was pretty impressive, I got to say. JD's like me. He's actually been upping his fitness regimen in recent years. JD used to be a little, A little puffy. A little puffy. I got a little puffy doing this show. Got the dad bod before I became a dad. You can't have that. You want to stay fit, you want to stay energized, you want to stay focused. Chalk is part of my fitness transformation. You should make it part of yours too. It's not just about fitness too. It's about your day to day energy drive, ability to get things done. Chalk is so helpful. Their male vitality stack is a bestseller for good reason. It's formulated to help restore testosterone levels by providing you with more energy and drive. Men's T levels are dropping off. Historically, my friends. It's terrible what's going on out there. Chalk can help you replenish some of that tea up to 20% in three months time. Take on 2026 with a boost in your strength and mental clarity. Go to chalk choq.com Go after a JD Vance style, my friends. Every day. Do it like Vance does dealing with those sillies in the media. Go to chalk choq.com choq.com use promo code. Sorry, yeah, use promo code buck. Or you can go to chalk.com buck b u c K. You ain't imagining it.
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The world has gone insane. Reclaim your sanity with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Great job by JD Vance. A little bit of humor here. We're gonna come back to you in a moment. We'll let you know if there's any other details coming out. Buck Marco Rubio has withdrawn his name from job consideration. This is very funny. This is real. I do not normally respond to online rumors, but feel the need to do so at this moment. I will not be a candidate for the currently vacant head coach and GM positions with the Miami Dolphins. Dolphins. While you never know what the future may bring, right now my focus must remain on global events and also the precious archives of the United States of America. Thank you. That is Marco Rubio, huge Miami Dolphins fan, saying that in a humorous way he would not take on yet another job. I thought that was pretty funny. Gold from Marco Rubio. Well played, sir. When we come back, Katie Zachariah will be with us. We'll talk about everything going on out in the state of California and the latest in Minneapolis as J.D. vance continues to talk.
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