Hour 2 - The Trans Lie

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Hour 2 - "The Trans Lie"

Date: September 5, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Guest: Dr. Joseph Ladapo, Surgeon General of Florida

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Overview

This episode centers on skepticism toward transgender “gender-affirming care,” criticism of public health authorities over COVID and vaccine mandates, and the recent shift in Florida’s vaccination policies for school children. It also touches on the broader erosion of trust in medical authorities, questions surrounding childhood vaccinations, and rising autism and allergy rates. Featuring a special guest segment with Dr. Joseph Ladapo, the Florida Surgeon General.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Critique of “Gender-Affirming Care” and Transgender Policy

Timestamps: 02:45 – 11:16

• Clay and Buck dissect recent public health guidance on transgender care, particularly referencing Dr. Rachel Levine, noting perceived absurdities and contradictions.
• Allegations of coercion in parental decision-making:
  "They preyed on the love of so many parents out there. They made you believe…you were going to cause your kid’s suicide if you didn’t give them puberty blockers, if you didn’t give them the ability to chop off their genitals…" (Clay, 03:28)
• Arguments that the process ignores real psychological complexity:
  "Most kids are a little bit uncomfortable as they are going through puberty, regardless… it's a really challenging time for almost all kids." (Clay, 06:36)
• Criticism of terminology:
  "Why do they call it gender affirming care? How is it therapy if the assumption when you go and walk through the doors is…How do we get you to change your name, grow your hair, and tell everybody you’re a chick as fast as possible?" (Buck, 05:36)
• Buck asserts transition doesn’t achieve its promised goal:
  "These people who are given cross sex hormones and the surgeries never actually pass as women. They do not come across to the broader society as women." (Buck, 10:29)
• The broader claim: Transitioning procedures are called a “lie,” with concerns over lasting negative outcomes and legal liability for the medical profession in the years to come.

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2. Trust Deficit in Public Health & Vaccines

Timestamps: 11:16 – 15:34

• COVID hypocrisy eroded trust:
  "When you have been lied to to such an extent by public health experts…how in the world can you trust anything that public health authorities are saying now?" (Clay, 11:16)
• RFK Jr’s rise in public debate is credited partially to being critical of pandemic mandates.
• Skepticism vs. outright rejection:
  Hosts clarify they are not “anti-vaccine” but pro-skepticism, drawing analogies to antibiotics: essential in some cases but should not be used heedlessly.

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3. Special Segment: Interview with Dr. Joseph Ladapo, Florida Surgeon General

Timestamps: 22:08 – 33:07

a. Vaccine Mandate Policy in Florida

• Florida is ending school vaccine mandates:
  "The overall goal is, is really to end those, those vaccine mandates…absolutely not. Nothing…" (Dr. Ladapo, 27:16 – 27:31)
• Personal autonomy and informed consent are emphasized:
  "No one should be forced to do that…The current position that is inherent to mandates is unethical…” (Dr. Ladapo, 27:31)
• No vaccines will be required for school attendance. Families can choose what they wish, with no state penalties or requirements.

b. Nuanced Perspective on Vaccines

• Not all vaccines are equal:
  “The amount we know, the risk, the benefits, they are not the same.” (Dr. Ladapo, 30:44)
• Cites personal learning journey, and suggests evaluating every vaccine individually.
• Highlights “informed consent” as a foundational principle that has been lost when mandates are in place.

c. Autism, Allergies, and Public Health Questions

• Clay raises concerns about the rising rates of autism and allergies: “Shouldn’t we be asking why autism rates have skyrocketed in this country? … It is a public health failure.” (Clay, 30:44)
• Dr. Ladapo agrees, connecting increased rates of autoimmune diseases to possible side effects of immune system interventions (like vaccines).
• Notes that added substances (such as aluminum) present potential risk factors for autoimmunity.

Notable Dr. Ladapo Quotes

• "You cannot have informed consent when you have mandates." (25:32)
• "Each [vaccine] one…it’s just like a drug." (29:08)
• "The systems are infinitely complex…The idea that there aren't going to be potential adverse events that you don't even anticipate is just nonsense." (Dr. Ladapo, 32:09)

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4. Autism, Tylenol, and New Health Stories

Timestamps: 33:15 – 41:14

• Discussion of new Wall Street Journal report: RFK Jr. to connect autism to Tylenol use during pregnancy and folate deficiencies.
• Acknowledgment that both science and public knowledge have grown, potentially shifting guidance and parental decision-making.
• Buck suggests that AI may, in the future, enable massive and rapid analysis of health data, potentially transforming these public debates: “You can do your own version of a deep dive into deep medical data…That was not possible even five or ten years ago.” (Buck, 39:56)
• Clay anticipates that the differences in individual biochemistry may soon be better understood, leading to more personalized medical advice.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay, on coercion in transgender care:
  "They made you believe…you were going to cause your kid’s suicide if you didn’t give them puberty blockers…" (03:28)
• Buck, on psychiatry as a discipline:
  "Psychiatry is by far the most left-wing medical specialization in this country. By far.” (05:22)
• Buck, on the transition process:
  "You cannot actually transition. It does not exist." (11:13)
• Clay, on public health distrust:
  "How in the world can you trust anything that public health authorities are saying now?" (11:21)
• Dr. Ladapo (guest):
  "No one should be forced to do that…We want to prevent coercion. And that is the current position that is inherent to mandates and it's unethical.” (27:31)
• Clay, on autism:
  "The number of kids being diagnosed with autism is a national emergency to me. Shouldn’t we be trying to figure out what’s going on? Isn’t that the essence of science?” (30:44)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:47 – 11:16: Transgender policy critique, mental health, and “gender-affirming care.”
• 11:16 – 15:34: COVID, public health mistrust, vaccine discussion.
• 22:08 – 33:07: Full interview with Dr. Joseph Ladapo on vaccine policy, informed consent, and health concerns.
• 33:15 – 41:14: Autism, allergy rates, RFK Jr./WSJ report, and the future with AI in health data.

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Tone & Language

• Tone: Highly skeptical, occasionally sarcastic, and openly critical of mainstream public health positions. Conversational with a blend of humor and pointed debate.
• Language: Direct, blunt, and sometimes provocative—especially regarding transgender topics and medical mandates.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers pointed criticism of current transgender medical practices and public health policy, arguing for parental autonomy, transparency, and skepticism in both gender care and vaccines. The guest segment with Dr. Ladapo underlines a move toward removing vaccine mandates in Florida schools and calls for more robust informed consent in all medical areas. The discussion closes with broader concerns over rising rates of childhood conditions like autism, suggesting the need for deeper scientific inquiry and true governmental transparency.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in our number two Friday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us us as we are rolling through the Friday edition of the program. Encourage you to go hit the talkback. It's the fastest way to be able to make sure that you are a part of the program. And we get fabulous talkbacks and we got the team constantly going through those and popping them in front of us. So just get the iHeart app and you can go to the corner. You can make an easy talkback for the program. A lot of different stories that are out there. I mentioned that we're going to talk with the Surgeon General of the state of Florida, Dr. Latipo about the decision he made on the vaccine requirements that are going to exist in Florida. And a lot of discussion coming out of RFK Jr's testimony yesterday. And I thought that JD Vance actually did a really good job of contextualizing what is and is not considered science. And I wanted to play this. This is a flashback to November of 2024. This is an Assistant HHS Secretary, Rachel Levine. What was this guy's name? The Admiral? What was his real name before changing himself to Rachel.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't expect me to dead name on this program, sir.

[Clay Travis]

I am leading you over the middle to dead. I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

I actually can't remember otherwise, but I felt like that was a good plan B there, right?

[Clay Travis]

Like, yeah, let me look up. I actually want to make sure that we know what Levine's real name is. Admiral Levine. I'm typing it in right now in real time. And you even look it up. Rachel Levine. It doesn't even. I mean, this is just how crazy it is when you type this in that they won't even tell you what his original name was. He was married, he had two kids, and then decided, oh, wait a minute, I'm a chicken, and just started walking around in a women's Navy uniform. And everybody's just supposed to accept that that's real. And here he is saying, hey, Richard. Richard Levine. Dick Levine. Ironically enough. There you go. This is a suicide prevention care. This is just so nasty that they did this. And this is why I think it's important to continue to reemphasize it. They preyed on the love of so many parents out there. And they said if your kid, they, they would say this all the time. Do you want a dead daughter or a live son or vice versa? They made you believe that it, that you were going to cause your kids suicide if you didn't give them puberty blockers, if you didn't give them the ability to chop off their genitals and you were going to kill them. This is what they were saying as recently as November of 2024 when they say, oh, RFK Jr. He's anti science. Remember, remember what they were saying? This was someone they put in power cut 13.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

What would you say to folks who think that they're being reasonable by saying, why can't children just wait till they're 18?

[Dr. Rachel Levine (referenced)]

Adolescence is hard and puberty is hard. What if you're going through the wrong puberty? What if you inside feel that you are female, but now you're going through a male puberty?

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

The argument is, well, they're too young to know.

[Dr. Rachel Levine (referenced)]

I want to make it clear that for pre pubertal children, there are no medical procedures done. The standard of care allows them to explore that with therapy. Well, gender affirming care is medical care. Gender affirming care is mental health care. Gender affirming care is literally suicide prevention care.

[Clay Travis]

Okay? Literally suicide prevention care. I mean, all of this is crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

And it also ignores the very clear data which shows that Mental health outcomes for people who go through transition processes when they look at them over a longer horizon are incredibly negative. And it also doesn't address why do they call it gender affirming care? How is it therapy if the assumption when you go and walk through the doors is, oh, you're having these questions? There's. Do they ever say, clay, you think in these gender affirming sessions, you know, maybe you're just going through some stuff and you're going to wake up in a few months and realize you're actually a dude and things happen to people and it's okay and you're going to get back on track here. No, it's. How do we get you to change your name, grow your hair, and tell everybody you're a chick as fast as possible? That's what happens. Does anyone doubt that for one second? By the way, this is one of the unfortunate side effects. I know we have some conservative psychiatrists who listen to the show because they always write it when I say this. Psychiatry is by far the most left wing medical specialization in this country. By far. Psychiatry and the District of Columbia have pretty much the same politics and political affiliation.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. And to your point, that's actually a lie that he was telling too, because we know that there were thousands of kids that were actually having top surgery, bottom surgery when they were minors. And this is why I think in the years ahead, you're going to see so many plaintiff lawyers filing lawsuits because most kids are a little bit uncomfortable as they are going through puberty, regardless of whether they're boys or girls. It is a really challenging time for almost all kids. I mean, your body changes in real time. And there's an ad out, I give credit to Jennifer, say, and her XXXY company, which is just basically saying, hey, men and women are different. I was watching an ad that she had that she posted which is saying, hey, here's a shout out to all the tomboys. How many of you out there that are listening to us right now? When you were 11, 12, 13 years old, girls thought, oh, I want to run around with the boys. Oh, I'm, I'm just a boy. I just like hanging out with the boys more than I do the girls. And then puberty hits and maybe you're a little bit uncomfortable with the idea of how much your body's changing compared to the boys that you may have been running around with before. And then you go to a doctor and he says, well, what's really going on is not. You're just a little bit Uncomfortable, because transitions to adolescence are challenging for kids everywhere. It's that you are really a boy, and we need to affirm the fact that you are a boy. And we're going to pump you full of all sorts of hormones to try to keep your natural body from turning you into a growing young woman. And instead, we're going to stilt your development. I mean, this is.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just.

[Clay Travis]

Also, it is barbaric that this was allowed to occur.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. And there are a lot of people who have. Have done very bad things here in the name of health, health care, science, civil rights, even. I mean, they've really made this a cause on the left, and they've gotten many people involved in it. Here's a part of the problem, Clay. Yesterday, I think we really focused on the lying dynamic, which is at the center of this whole thing. You have to lie about this stuff. You have to lie. You have to. You have to be. Who is the physicist who went on.

[Clay Travis]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

[Buck Sexton]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson. You have to. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, who's an astrophysicist, who, when asked, do men have a. Generally speaking, do men have a advantage over women in athletic competition? He's like, oh, I have no idea, sir. I've never even considered you. You have to lie.

[Clay Travis]

So we know you have to.

[Buck Sexton]

Gladwell. Oh, I like that as a verb. You got to go. Well, that's. You know who would give you a high five for that? J.K. rowling, who should now probably come on the program sometime. Plus, you say better. You say her books are better than C.S. lewis. So, like, you're really. You're really buttering up Rowling from afar. Okay, but Clay, the other part of this is. And this is also goes to the lie, but it goes to the science, which is that you cannot become a woman. Imagine if it were possible to do this. It would be an interesting ethical discussion on its own. Right. If you could give somebody cross sex hormones and truly transform them into something that is physically indistinguishable from a woman, there would still be this whole, like, should you do that? What are the risks of doing that? But that's not even what we're talking about. These people who are given the cross sex hormones and the surgeries never actually pass as women. They do not come across to the broader society as women. And I. I've had this debate. I've had this. People say, oh, well, you know, some, like some guys on dating sites will swipe right at them. It's like, well, because if you can use filters and you can. You can cheat in a photo, in person, you always know they never come across as women. So there. There's a lie that's at the heart of all this. The whole notion of gender affirmation skips the fact that the transition never works. And if. And if it's not about the physical transition, why go through the process in the first place? If it's an emotional state that must be respected, why do this?

[Clay Travis]

You know, the.

[Buck Sexton]

The snip and the change and the. And. And the tuck and all these things that go on if it's not about the physical change? Well, the physical change is always insufficient. And that's part of this. That never gets discussed. You cannot actually transition. It does not exist.

[Clay Travis]

So that is a lie. Also a lie. Basically, everything they told us during COVID So then how do you expect. And this is the big question that I asked. I think, Dr. Safire, the challenge that I think we face now is when you have been lied to to such an extent by public health experts. When they told you take your mask off when you sit down in a restaurant, you can eat, but you have to leave your mask on when you walk in and check in at the counter. And then magically you sit down and it's fine. When they told you that you could not go outside at all. And then George Floyd happens and they suddenly say, actually it's imperative that you go out and join hundreds of thousands of people and march in close unison in the streets to protest against systemic racism. How in the world can you trust anything that public health authorities are saying now? And I think that is. We'll ask Dr. Latipo about this in a moment, but that's why I've got RFK Juniors back. I don't presume that he's right on everything. I don't presume that anybody's right on everything. But I'm willing to listen to him because he correctly diagnosed much of the wrong decisions that were being made in Covid. And so I find it somewhat. We were talking about this a little bit yesterday. Why do kids today get twice as many vaccinations as you and I got when we were babies? Buck, that seems like a question that's very legitimate to ask. And by the way, lots of vaccinations are good. We should stop polio from happening. That's a good thing, right? We should stop. We should stop things that can kill.

[Buck Sexton]

Baby vaccines are. And I'm excited for all the emails on this. I'm not saying all Vaccines today. But vaccines as a general medical breakthrough have probably, and I'm taking this back now, 200 years have probably saved more human lives than any other medical advance in history just now. That doesn't mean that every, that you need 70 vaccines for your kids today. But it just, we got to keep it in perspective. There are vaccines, there have been vaccines.

[Clay Travis]

Smallpox that are bad things. Really good. We want to keep everybody from getting.

[Buck Sexton]

We are decidedly anti smallpox on this show like Clay's anti murder at polio.

[Clay Travis]

There are a lot of things that it's very good that do not exist. But I do think it's fair to say is it appropriate to give every kid twice as many vaccine, vaccine doses today as your average kid got in 1980 when I was a baby.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll talk to Dr. Latipo about this. But I just think, for example, antibiotics, antibiotics as a general class of medication are incredible. And if you have certain infections, the fact that antibiotics exist are like a miracle. Now does that mean that every time you have a cold and I've, you know, you should be taking like a Z packet. Is there overuse of antibiotics? Are we creating antibiotic resistant bacteria with, you know. Yes, there are problems, but that's a different thing than just saying I'm opposed to antibiotics. Right?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Or that I think antibiotics don't have a place in the modern medical toolkit. So, so I just. We gotta keep it in perspective here. There are some good vaccines and there are some worthless and bad vaccines and there are some vaccines that have been more dangerous than they were worth. And all this stuff is true. But it's not a. I'm a little surprised sometimes at some of the emails that I get on this subject matter and then some of the reading material that I am sent. I'm like, I'm, I'm not, I'm not seeing this one, I gotta tell you. Not not seeing it this way. And I'm somebody who, like I said, we're picking and choosing vaccines for speed based upon efficacy, based on what we think is, and I live in Florida, you know, what we think is a necessary or a better risk reward situation. I'm not just getting him everything, we're spacing things out. But you know, the, the I think the best way here is the reasoned middle ground on some of these things. Call me.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. And we're gonna be joined by, joined by Dr. Joseph Latapo here. So we'll hear from somebody better positioned than anyone else, really, to discuss what's going on with Florida, the change in the vaccine mandates for schools here that are underway. I live in Florida. Many of you know a lot of listeners on WIOD and WJNO and WFLA and a lot of great stations all across this wonderful state. And I want to hear what the good doctor has to say, Clay. So we'll get the specifics on it and what it's doing. And perhaps this will lead to similar actions in other states with sane red governance.

[Clay Travis]

I'm hopeful, no doubt. And the impact that it is going to create going forward. I'm actually curious for Dr. Latipo. I mean, he's got young kids. Um, I would bet, although maybe I'm wrong. I would bet that he's getting some vaccines for his young kids. How do you balance that? Where would you go? What would he suggest that you read? I'm actually curious. I've been through this already. You're going through. We talked about it earlier this week because your son is of the age where you Start to get some of those shots. I obviously have been through it a long time ago. I candidly just didn't spend much time thinking about it. I did it in the wake of COVID My kids haven't gotten a Covid shot, but I think there's a lot of parents questioning a lot.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the Friday edition of the program. We are joined now by Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Latipo. He has created a bit of a stir in the, in the universe out there with his decisions on what Florida parents can and cannot do when it comes to vaccines for their kids. So let me start with this question for you, Dr. Ladapo. Buck has got a young kid. I've got three kids. I think in the wake of the COVID shot, which it's quite clear no young, healthy child ever needed a lot, in my opinion. You can tell me if you disagree with that. But a lot of parents out there now are questioning much of what they were told by public health experts overall. You're a parent as well. What do you think parents should do when it comes to researching medical treatments for their kids? What would you direct them to do? What kind of research would you want them to consider as they make Health choices for their kids.

[Dr. Joseph Ladapo]

Hey, yeah, that's a great question. And congratulations. I guess all three of us are dads now. And, you know, this is. This is something obviously for all of us. I'm sure our children are the most important people in our lives. Obviously, we love our partners, too, but all of us would do anything that we could for our kids. And the answer to your question is, I think people need to do their research and they just. They need to read, they need to talk to other parents. It will not happen.

[Buck Sexton]

Dr. Latipo, can we have you call back in? We need a better connection. If I can't understand you, then the audience. Audience definitely can't. So could you. Team, let's get him back on here in a second. I'll just tell you what he did say. He said, you need to do your research. And then we got a little bit garbled there, Clay, but we'll get into the specifics. I want to ask him, obviously, about what's changed in Florida policy because Speed's got a little time before he has to get ready for school. He doesn't. He doesn't walk yet. So we got a little. We got a little ways to go there. But I am curious to see what they're doing here in the state. So, team, let us know when we get Dr. Latipo back in the mix here, hopefully with a clearer connection. One of the joys of live radio is we have to rely on telecom. And it's raining very heavily down here, Clay, in South Florida.

[Clay Travis]

So I would also just point out, overall, cell phone networks don't seem to have improved much in the last 20 years. I think when all of us initially got cell phones, we thought, hey, they'll be flawless by the time we get into the 2000s. By the time we get into the 2000s. I just think we're always going to have issues when it comes to actually communicating on cell phones. I mean, it is. It's kind of crazy to me. I guess maybe one thing is the phones do so much more than actually lead to conversation that maybe that's not a focus for a lot of different companies out there. But my goodness, PureTalk does, by the way, a very good job when it comes to cell phone signal. Dr. Latipo, back with us. Okay, I was asking. You were answering the question, Doctor, about research. What would you encourage people to do? And let me just ask a secondary question. I imagine you are get. You have gotten and will get your kids some of the vaccination recommendations. How would you analyze this. What would you tell parents they should do? What would you suggest?

[Dr. Joseph Ladapo]

Yeah, so, so you really. We need to. I think that as a parent, I mean, we all want to do what's best for our children. And one of the ways you do that is, is through that, that common idea, that fundamental idea of informed consent. And it's just you, you can't be an honest person and have lived over the last few years and not appreciate that there are some gaps in informed consent. And, you know, it's always a challenge, but it's particularly a challenge with vaccines. I mean, that's the, you know, I don't feel any way about them for. Against. I don't feel any way about them. I do feel very strongly about informed consent. And you cannot have informed consent when you have mandates, you know, when there are negative repercussions for not complying. And you can't have informed consent when doctors are. Or some parties want to want you to do something so badly that the research isn't enough. You know, the questions about what's best for your kid isn't enough, aren't really fulfilled. So folks need to, parents, I think, need to be talking to other parents because a lot of parents are now looking into this. And I myself have learned so much and here I am. You know, I went to medical school. I have a PhD from Harvard. You know, I spent years taking care of patients and there was so much I didn't know about vaccine research.

[Buck Sexton]

Can you tell us, Dr. Latipo, just specifically, and this is interesting, I think to everybody, but for any of our Florida listeners, there's a change in vaccine mandate policy now in the state of Florida. But can you give us some of the specifics? What does it mean, what doesn't it mean and what is trying to be achieved here?

[Dr. Joseph Ladapo]

Sure. The overall goal is, is really to end those, those vaccine mandates because they're just to.

[Buck Sexton]

Just to be clear, doc, all. So no van mandates of any kind to go to school for vaccines?

[Dr. Joseph Ladapo]

Absolutely not. Nothing for, you know, if you want to put something in your body or you want to put something in your child's body, God bless you. But no one should be forced to do that. I mean, that's a fundamental, very black and white ethical issue in terms of shifting to the specifics. In the Department of Health, there are a handful of vaccines that we, that we mandate. Obviously I didn't do that. That was a predecessor that did that. And we're going to peel those back. So those are going to be gone. Those mandates are going to be. We will, you know, we'll work with the lawmakers to explore a more ethical position. And I mean, it's very simple. You know, if the people who are really worried about this, no one's taking away anyone's vaccine, no one's preventing anyone from pursuing or taking a vaccine if they want. What we do want to prevent is coercion. And that is the current position that is, that is inherent to mandates and it's unethical and I know it's a shock for many people, that's been obvious with the feedback we've received, but it truly is an unethical position.

[Clay Travis]

If you were, let's. My kids are all old enough, 17, 14 and 10. They're doing well, knock on wood, health wise. But if I were coming to you personally and I said, would you recommend vaccines? Like for instance, polio, for instance, for smallpox. I don't even know the full list of vaccines. Would, would you recommend some vaccines? Would you recommend some. Not in your standard as you. If you were an individual's doctor at this point?

[Dr. Joseph Ladapo]

Yeah, sure, sure. It's a great question. So I will tell you, like, as I said, this is, this is a new area for me. I mean, it was really Covid that opened up my eyes to many things in the healthcare area that were happening and I wasn't aware of that were very important. So I myself am still on the journey, if you will, in terms of my learning. So some of the vaccines I'm more knowledgeable about in terms of the, you know, the evidence informing that, inform their, their benefits and risk. And we, and I think it's important guys to remember that each one, it's just like a drug. Right, so you don't, like, we wouldn't say, oh, would you recommend, you know, not, not drugs as an illicit drugs, but medications. We wouldn't have a conversation about, oh, do you take medications? No, we wouldn't have a conversation like that. We'd have a conversation about, well, what do you think about this medication and what do you think that medication and that's the same thing with vaccines. So for the ones that I feel more knowledgeable about, there's some that I'm more comfortable with in terms of the, you know, in terms of how well they've been studied in terms of the benefit, risk profile, for example, you know, right now that's how I feel about the measles vaccine. Not everyone feels that way. And you know, and I think that it's fine if they don't feel that way. I think as long as you're making informed decisions, there are other vaccines that I have opinions about that go, you know, in one direction or the other. But, you know, again, it's really, in my opinion, it's important to evaluate each one individually because they're not the same. They are not the same. The amount we know, the risk, the benefits, they are not the same.

[Clay Travis]

Shouldn't we be asking, and I appreciate you being on with us, Dr. Joseph Latipo, surgeon General of Florida. Shouldn't we be asking why autism rates have skyrocketed in this country? Like, leave aside everything else, it is a public health failure. I would think that in this day and age, we have massive increases in autism. Now, partly you can say, okay, maybe we just recognize the symptoms better. There's certainly an argument there. But I think if you look at the growth in autism diagnosis and symptoms, all those things, certainly if you look at the, at the numbers on allergies, for instance, the number of kids that are allergic to peanuts now compared to when I was a kid, or certainly when people out there far older than me were kids, it didn't exist. Exist. Shouldn't we be asking why these things are occurring and trying to have less of them, like allergic reactions when kids die from peanuts is an awful thing. We shouldn't be having this happen. And the number of kids being diagnosed with autism is a national emergency to me. Shouldn't we be trying to figure out what's going on? Isn't that the essence of science?

[Dr. Joseph Ladapo]

Yeah, we absolutely should. And, you know, you've named some conditions, and there are a lot of other conditions. There are a lot of autoimmune conditions. And, and, you know, anytime you're, you're tinkering is not quite the right word, but anytime you're trying to modify the immune system, it's not like, you know, it's not some precision, you know, some precision medicine. It just targets one place. That's not the reality. The reality is that everything in our bodies is connected. So you change one thing here and it changes other things in other places. I'll give you a brief example. So there's some evidence, and it's fairly good evidence, that aluminum, which is added to some vaccine, may increase the risk of some autoimmune conditions. There's some debate over it. I've looked at some of the evidence. It's pretty favorable. Drag the audience into all of the details. But that's just an example. And that's like the one thing, right? Our systems are infinitely complex, and it's the idea that there aren't going to be potential adverse events that you don't even anticipating is just bugs. It's nonsense. So, yes, we should be investigating all these things.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, Dr. Latipo, we got to leave it there. And we've also lost connection once again. But appreciate you, Dr. Latipo, Surgeon General of Florida. And we'll talk again soon.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, news story coming out and this is one reason I was just asking. Wall Street Journal reporting. And we'll talk about this a little bit. Headline exclusive RFK junior To link autism to Tylenol use in pregnancy and folate deficiencies. Kennedy's autism report touted by Trump will suggest using pain relievers during pregnancy may be linked to the development developmental disorder. And again, I was just asking that question. Autism rates have exploded. This is a story that is just breaking right now from the Wall Street Journal. Just got the alert popping into my phone and, and we'll talk about it a little bit. But I think it is indicative of a great deal of apprehension from so many people out there in, in this listening audience. But also the Maha movement in general, which is overwhelmingly made up of moms. There's lots of dads involved too, but overwhelmingly made up of moms. And I think a lot of you are asking questions that you might not have asked if Covid had not happened and you hadn't been told that your kids had to be injected with all these drugs. We'll talk about it when we come back. In the meantime, parents with kids old enough to play on their own with friends, but not old enough to carry cell phones. What do you want to do? What how do you want to stay in touch with your, with your kids? We've got a 10 year old, he doesn't have a cell phone yet because we don't give our kids cell phones until they're 14 years old. Trust me, we have heard a lot of complaints about that. But overwhelmingly the data now is suggesting the longer you can keep your kids off of their own cell phones, the better it is for their mental health. And so maybe a lot of you are also making that choice. Maybe some people going with watches. I've seen a lot of people out there with watches that are they're able to be in touch with kids. How about with these walkie talkies? If you remember back in the day, we used to have the old school G.I. joe walkie talkies. We would run around outside. We thought they were super awesome. Maybe one person's got it in a car, the other person does. We have in our household the ability to give our 10 year old one of these rapid radios and we can stay in touch with him. But we can also let him run around in the neighborhood and be able to interact with his friends without worrying about being able to get in touch with him. No setup required. Just pull them out of the box, press a button, boom. You can talk. One touch connection. Perfect for busy families. You can talk nationwide on these in your own unique network. Visit rapidradios.com to save up to 60% right now. Free UPS shipping from Michigan use code radio for an extra 5% off. That's code radio. Rapid Radios.com get hooked up today. Rapidradios.com code radio stories of freedom, Stories of America.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. I just did the Clay welcome. I didn't even realize. I just did that. Just kind of slipped in there. It's like, it's like I'm like, hey, mom and dad appreciate you. Appreciate you. They're like, you've been hanging out with Clay too much. Ah, it sort of happened, you know, I, I got it. Yeah, no doubt. Mike just said no doubt. And I'm like, what is Clay? I got a audience has to help me figure what are some Buckisms other than saying good heavens, like, like Mrs. Doubtfire or something, you know, good heavens.

[Clay Travis]

Old man.

[Buck Sexton]

Old man isms. Yeah. What are my old man isms? Because we know Clay's got no doubt, he's got. Appreciate you. He goes, welcome back. But anyway.

[Clay Travis]

But Dr. Latipo was really, I thought, interesting. And again, that news story just broke while we were talking to you and it's going to get a ton of attention. And let me hit you with this headline again. This is a Wall street journal exclusive. RFK Jr to link autism to Tylenol use in pregnancy and folate deficiencies. And here is the opening paragraph. Health secretary Robert Kennedy plans to announce pregnant women's use of an over the counter pain medication is potentially linked to autism in a report that will also suggest a medicine derived from folate can be used to treat symptoms of the developmental disorder in some people, people familiar with the matter said. The report is expected to come out this month and likely to highlight low levels of folate, an important vitamin and Tylenol taken during pregnancy, as well as other potential causes of autism, people familiar with the matter said. And I know this is something that many of you out there, particularly when you are pregnant or when you have a young child, are thinking about constantly because the rates have skyrocketed, I'm sure, Buck for you guys, because you had a young baby and you had a pregnancy you went through and everything else, there's different knowledge out there now than a decade ago when I had, we had our youngest look. And so I think that conversation is significant.

[Buck Sexton]

One of the really helpful things about artificial intelligence is going to be that enormous data sets. We talked to Dr. Makary about this enormous data sets will be able to be analyzed very rapidly. And that also it's not just good for the people that that's their job. You can do your own. You talk about do your own research. We just talked to Dr. Latifo about that. You can do your own version of a deep dive into deep medical data. And it's it's incredible what they can pull. I mean, you can have it read 5,000 pages of, you know, controlled study, trial research and come up with what the percentages of efficacy and things like that. That was not possible even five or ten years ago. And that's now going to be on Grok, which is my favorite. I know people use chatbots, I don't. I like the Grok.

[Clay Travis]

I also think what you're going to find out is everybody's biochemistry, for lack of a better word, is different. So what you respond to drugs, workouts, food, it's going to be different than maybe what your spouse does or what your kids do. Everybody's genetic profile is different and I think we're going to learn a lot more about this. But the conversation is going to be intense and that's part of what we're having here.

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