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Clay Travis
This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome in. Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. And a few things to dive into this hour. One off the top here, the auto pen controversy with Joe Biden. For anyone who. And I don't really understand this thinking because I believe that we, for example, here spend a lot of time on the Trump agenda and what's going on day in and day out. We talk about immigration pretty much every day. The big beautiful bill pretty much every day. Trump economy constantly. Right. So. And then also overseas negotiations to end the Russia, Ukraine war and support for Israel in the war against Hamas. Right. We're the things Trump is doing. We're looking at. It's not a what about ism feeling right now where we're looking at the Trump. We're looking at the Biden administration saying, well, look what they did. Look what they did. No, but there are some aspects of this that need to be looked at because they're still a live issue, if you will. I mean, one of them is, given that we now have more knowledge than ever, I should say, further proof. We didn't need it. We already knew, but we have further proof than we ever have had before that Joe Biden was not of sound mind when he was president, certainly for two or three of the four years. And I think you could argue for the whole thing. I thought the whole thing. In fact, I got wrong who the Democrat nominee would be when I was doing my solo Buck Sexton show in 2020 19, because my assumption was it can't be Biden. That guy's got scrambled eggs for brains that everyone knows that. It didn't seem pos. It didn't seem possible to me. It didn't seem plausible that they would be able to mobilize the Democrats around somebody that so clearly had dementia and was so visibly frail and too old for the job. It came back to bite them. But they did manage to pull it off in 2020, to my surprise. Well, now they all admit, of course, that it was a scam, it was a sham, it was a lie. Joe Biden didn't know what was going on. And behind closed doors, there were people who were doing more than they certainly should have been doing and perhaps more than they lawfully had a right to do in the name of the president, which is a big deal. You're not allowed to have people pretending to be the president. Look, there's a vice president, there's a chain of succession, and there's the 25th Amendment. But Democrats just wanted to cling on to power as it was and not have to face the reality of what they had done and the fraud that they had perpetrated against the American people. So they got all deep into this, right? What a tangled web we weave. And here is another aspect of it. Well, actually, let me do this. We had Mr. Peter Doocy. Peter Doocy was talking about the Biden pardon signatures. I wanted to get into the pardons here because if, if a president has the power, as we believe he does, to just pardon anyone he chooses to, it is then absolutely essential that we are sure that it is the president who is making that decision. The power of pardon cannot be something that that is in the hands of other officials. So if a president does not know, for example, and has not made the decision to pardon someone, that person cannot be considered to have been pardoned. Over at Fox News, Peter Doocy spoke about this and asked President Trump about the auto pen signatures on some of these pardons. This is cut one, Play it.
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Buck Sexton
When you look at these last minute Biden pardons, the big ones, Biden siblings Fauci January 6th committee.
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Peter Doocy
That's right.
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Buck Sexton
Most of the big ones have the same very neat signature. We would expect that probably to be the auto pen. There is one that looks different. It looks authentic. In fact, if you look at the last name, it almost looks like the president was having a hard time spelling his last name. There is this White House of the opinion that the only pardon that would count is one that the president signed himself.
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Peter Doocy
Very interesting props. If you want to bring them to my office later so I can take a closer look, I would like to do that. The president is making a good point when he discusses the usage of the auto pen who was running the country for the past four years. Perhaps those documents were signed with the auto pen, something that this I believe the Department of Justice is looking into. As you saw, Ed Martin made an announcement at the Department of Justice this morning to launch an investigation because the American people deserve answers.
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Clay Travis
Remember, you want to know what Trump thinks about this? He has been very clear. He says with the this is so Trump, man. He's the best. We're going to. Politics is not going to be as interesting when Trump is not president or about to be president. I'm, I'm warning you all now. I want to get you ready for this. We're still going to have great shows and fortunately we got Trump for four years here, so we got a while. But get, you know, it's even if we have a good Republican administration going forward, it we are never going to have as engrossing and entertaining a Republican president as Donald Trump. You know it and I know it. It's just, it's obvious. Ok, this guy is. Okay, here it is on Truth Social he writes, with the exception of the rigged presidential election of 2020, the auto pen is the biggest political scandal in American history. Okay, that was, I think that was earlier today actually where it was recent whatever it was clear it was recently put out on Truth Social and all caps, of course, in case you wanted to know whether he thinks this is an all cap situation. Oh, it is biggest political scandal in American history. Now I think that the Biden cover up and the dementia hiding was the biggest scandal. I would agree with that. The auto penny. That remains to be seen whether or not Biden knew. Now this is tough. How would you prove whether he knew or not? And then you also get to the same way you could have somebody who is not fit to stand trial because they are not of sound mind. Right, that's, it's a very high bar by the way. It's pleading insanity is from my understanding, if you're on a defense team is one of the hardest guys got to be really crazy, as in not able to know right from wrong level of crazy. Um, but if somebody has really severe senility, let's remember there was the investigation of Biden's handling of the classified documents which the investigator, the head investigator was a federal prosecutor, said well we can't think anyone's going to prosecute this guy because he'll just come across as a forgetful and kindly old man who clearly doesn't remember stuff. Which is a polite way of saying not really of sound mind to stand trial, not really of, of the ability to be able to answer questions and even be held accountable for what he has done here. Well, if that is true, and we know that they accepted that as true at the time because it was essentially treated as exculpatory for Biden, they just said oh yeah, see no problem with the classified stuff that Biden has cuz he's just sort of too old and confused and you know, move along people, move along. Well if he's too old and confused to be held accountable for the mishandling of classified information, how can he be in a position intellectually to know who he is pardoning and whether or not this person is someone that he actually wishes to use that incredibly broad power that only presidents have of pardon. You know, now you start to see, hold on. This, this is, this could be an issue it's not only did Biden know, it's when Biden supposedly knew. Was he even capable of being in a mental state where knowing for him was possible? I don't know. I don't know. That's not an easy question to answer. And that raises some issues because, oh, who are some of the people who got pardoned, Dr. Fauci? In the waning hours of the Biden administration, you could just imagine little Fouch calling in to one of his masked henchmen, actually preferably double masked in the Oval Office and making sure that there is a pardon for him so that whatever shenanigans in the name of mitigation he engaged in with the tyranny of the COVID madness, he would not be held responsible. Fauci got a full and unconditional pardon from Biden. Biden's family got a full and unconditional pardon from Biden. Which, remember, didn't just. It didn't even cover named conduct. Biden didn't even feel the need to say for the following, you know, for the following reasons or the following things or the following areas of conduct. Anything, anything done we are to believe is now outside, at least in federal law, outside the realm of federal law, to take accountability against any of Biden's individuals. The Biden crime family was a real thing, as we know. It was all graft. It was all corruption, payoffs, bribes. Hunter's paintings. Do you think Hunter's paintings are selling for half a million dollar a painting anymore? What happened? He just lost his muse. No more the creative genius that he had been. We saw the same thing with the Clintons. I thought the Clintons were running a global charity. Where did all that charitable money go? Well, as soon as Hillary lost the election, the Clinton global initiative collapses. No one wants to give them money. That's so strange, because now the Clintons could have been in a position to devote even more of their energy and time to the causes that they pretended to care about to create a massive slush fund so they could fly private and engage in massive corruption in plain sight. Right. So we've, we've seen this play out before. Do I think it is likely that any of these pardons will be overturned officially? Probably not. Probably not. And it's because of. It's not because they shouldn't be. I believe it is. The challenge is to get to the level of proof needed to show that Biden, that Biden did not know and that somebody else. But maybe they get to that level of proof. I don't know it is possible. But what a mess of a White House and honestly, what a tragedy the whole thing was. Four years of damage done to American institutions, and none more so, really than the presidency itself. If Democrats could all look at each other and look at us and lie about the baseline capability of a human being to do the job of President of the United States, they are capable of doing the same thing and lying in the most obvious and blatant way about anything as long as it keeps them in power. The only limit to what they will lie about is is this effective for keeping us in power? If the answer is yes, they will do it. And that is a sad place for the country to be. And it is the reason that so many have lost faith in the Democrat Party, including Democrats, because they have no principles that they stand for. There are some who just want the raw exercise of power. There are some who just want the street rabble to gather around them and let them get away with what they want. Fine. Plenty of Democrats fall into that category. But for any of them who believe that there was something bigger, something more important that the DNC and the Democrats calling the shots truly believe in, I think they have been disabused of that notion. All right, outside of Pure Talks company headquarters, one of the first things you'll see is American Flag. So it's no surprise that a company run by a US Military veteran is choosing to thank a thousand of our veterans for their service with a gift of their own American flag. This version of our flag is made right here in America by Allegiance Flag. 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Remember Talkbacks Go to the Clay and Buck page on the iHeartRadio app. All of you should have the iHeartRadio app on your phones. Super useful. Lets you listen to podcasts on demand, lets you stream our great radio affiliates in real time. So, you know, I'm down here in Miami. I'll listen WIOD and, you know, in the morning, or I can listen to the podcast of. Of any show that I want, or if I want to listen to some pop music, which apparently I don't do very much because I can't remember what it's called. But I'm just theoretically, if I want to listen to some. Some pop music, perhaps some country, I actually like edm, which I know is a lot of you. You're like, you've got to be kidding me, Buck. But you know, I like EDM music. What can I tell you? We've got some calls coming in. Stephen in Lincoln, Alabama. What's going on?
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Caller
A big shout out to my wife. She's so wonderful and beautiful. All the school bus drivers out there. Okay, so here we are. I never got my Rush Limbaugh gold watch and our phone. I'm sorry, Phone. And what I was thinking, maybe you should give away Trump watches. And I'll take orange. Now, the real thing I called for was back in the first hour. You were talking about ICE agents wearing masks.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Caller
And all the other antifa and Black Lives Matter and all that. Whenever they showed up to cause their destruction, they all wore masks. That's really all I wanted to say.
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Clay Travis
Okay, thank you. Yeah. I mean, they're not law enforcement officers, which is what the Democrats would say. But I will point out that they certainly believe that people should be able to rally publicly and not have their identity shown. And I actually disagree with that. There are plenty of. This is. This is. This is something that got forgotten very quickly during COVID There are a lot of jurisdictions where it was a statute, a local statute that you could not have your face covered unless you're engaged in construction or, you know, there's some professional need for it. Right. We don't need people inhaling sawdust all day. But you couldn't just walk around masked up. I completely agree with that. I think being able to see people's faces is generally, and for the public, important, especially in the era of cameras everywhere and facial recognition. I also think that for law enforcement purposes, you know, a lot of people, if you're active Special forces, if you're active duty, special operations, military, they don't want their photos out there. And that's why you have a lot of friends of mine who are former SEALs. For example, they'll post a photo of themselves. They're out. And they want their public with, that's fine. But if they've got, you know, if they've got former brothers in the teams who are still in, they obscure their faces, right? That's for a reason. Kevin in western New York, what's going on? Kevin, the problem a lot of these.
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Caller
Democrats are having with this idea of one all these immigrants in is we all know they want them to hear for votes. They want to give them citizenship. They can vote, but most of them do not want to be citizens because as soon as they get that valid Social Security number, they got to pay the taxes.
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Clay Travis
Well, yeah, and also, thank you, a good point here. A lot of them would actually get a tax benefit, believe it or not. They basically be paid by the federal government when they file their taxes. But the problem for their employer is now the employer has to pay them properly. And that means they have to abide by wage laws in that state. They have to pay, you know, Social Security, Medicare, tax, all this different stuff. You know, there's a lot that goes into it. The reason that illegal labor is so they'll tell you, oh, it's because they work so hard. No, just like with the H1B visa scam, when you look into this, there's a lot of exploitation going on, both sides of the equation. A lot of big numbers being thrown around Washington, D.C. this week as the big beautiful bill is being contemplated by the Senate. But there's a bigger number that's being contemplated by Jim Rickards. Look, Jim Rickards is a guy who thinks that our country has an asset that could be worth as much as $150 trillion. This asset has been buried under American soil and may well be the basis for creating such a fund. Jim Rickards, as I said, he's a former advisor to the White House and Federal Reserve, tells everybody that if you're over 50, this could be your best chance to build lasting wealth from a once in a century event, which could be great news for people in this audience. And there could be some really fantastic investment opportunities that Jim wants to talk to you about. But go hear his thinking@birthright2025.com A lot of this conversation is a result of President Trump's recent moves. And if he's right, it could be huge for you and your Retirement. Go to birthright2025.com to get the details free of charge. That's birthright2025.com paid for by Paradigm Press. So we should always remember that some of the things that we see going on right now that are even a bit in the background of what Trump is doing, what this administration is making a reality, are things that those of us who have been in the conservative movement or just ideologically conservative for quite some time, in my case, working in conservative media. 14 years. I sorry, I told you. I saw my friend Glenn Beck, friend and mentor Glenn Beck yesterday and he pointed out it was 14 years ago that we linked up at the Blaze. He hired me and so 14 years of that. But I've been a conservative for as long as I could remember. It would seem like the stuff of dreams to be in the place we are in on some of these issues. And I do not believe that's an exaggeration. We've been waiting a very long time, very long time for someone who would essentially dismember the CNN propaganda organization or which is what Trump has done. There was a time when cnn, and especially I think because I lived in New York City, it really was able to wield unfortunately this gravitas and credibility among a lot of well intentioned and good and well informed people. They said, well, cnn, I would know people who I would even describe as right of center who would say things like, you know, CNN is, is pretty neutral. And I would look at them like, no, it's not, it's not now they wouldn't say that anymore. Everyone's realized CNN's completely insane. But if you're going back 15 or 20 years, people would have said, a lot of people, you know, I mean, think about it. I mean Tucker Carlson started his career at CNN on TV with Crossfire, right? They, it used to be less insane is what I'm saying. They used to have actual conservatives on, but that somebody could come along as CNN and MSNBC and the New York Times and these, the, the premier propaganda outlets of the Democrat Party as they reached their, the pinnacle of their power, which I would really say was the second Obama term. And then you get into Trump and they, they basically went too far against Trump and then Trump has brought them to heel and essentially and brought them low. But that's a dream come true for those of us who are on the right. That there is a, there are a number of social media platforms now where you can share your thoughts and not have it be explicitly centered. One of my great frustrations during COVID was, I mean I YouTube, I had multiple YouTube channels banned just for talking about COVID stuff. I, you know, you know me. I'm not. I'm not some provocateur on the right. I just like this mask stuff in the lockdowns. This is moronic. There's no basis for it. I was completely right. People who disagree with me were wrong. Not as smart as they thought they were. Including, you know, Google, one of the most powerful companies on earth. But now we have X and now we have Truth, Social and Rumble and, you know, other things. Other places too. So that. And it's easy for us to have these wins that we don't necessarily take a moment to appreciate and to continue and to. To push for more of them. Right. Or push more in these areas. I'm speaking about this because we're seeing a. People call it a vibe shift. I know that's a little bit of the contemporary lingo with the kids these days, but it is something of a vibe shift right now from corporate America, actually. It's, I would argue, a powerful vibe shift. It's not a little bit, it's a lot. And we're entering a new period here where oppress half the country's ideas and they'll still come back and shop with you. They'll still come back and buy your product. That's a much dicier proposition than it was before Trump won this last election. We are not in 2020 anymore where you would just have the most blatant, I mean, the most just thuggish suppression of conservative ideas by companies, by platforms. I'm not saying the pendulum has swung totally in the other direction. It is beginning to swing in the other direction, and that is a win. And we are starting to see these changes. I give you, for example, Citigroup, which is one of the largest financial institutions in the world, has reversed its policy on restricting banking services for gun companies and firearms clients. Now, in a statement on June 3, the bank said a decision had been made over fair access to banking services. Citigroup will no longer have a specific policy as it results to firearms. This is a step back from the debanking that was going on for years and is one of the most pernicious and undermining and really aggressive things that the left was doing in the private sector to suppress ideas it didn't like and to just politically bludgeon the other side. So in 2018, they implemented a firearms policy that basically meant they wouldn't. Well, the policy is they wouldn't work with people that sold guns. They had all these rules and they were restricted. They had to restrict firearms on all these different bases. If you don't do it, they won't work with you. So that I think is just one of many things that we're going to see here. Where these companies are, are no longer confident enough even if they, I don't think that they like conservatives. I want to be clear. I don't think that the people in charge have changed their mind about a lot of this. Maybe some have, some haven't. It's, it's too, too, too large of an issue and too many people involved to, to say that definitively. But what I do know is that they recognize there could be consequences to discriminating against the right with their business. Now things have changed. And this is also after a dozen, In April of 2024, a dozen Republican state attorney generals, state attorneys general rather wrote a letter to bank of America with regard to their debanking policies and the systemic biases that they have and that. Think about this, banks, which we do think of, I know they're private, but you think of banking services as being non, should be non political in nature, right? So if you went into bank of America or you went into, you know, any of these financial institutions and they, and you said, hey, I'd like to open a checking account with you. And they said, who'd you vote for in the last election? And you said well I not a communist, so I voted for Trump. And they said I'm sorry, we can't take your business. We would all recognize that's a, that's a, that's a big deal. That's a big problem. Right. And that this kind of political discrimination, discrimination was going on for as many years as it did without any meaningful pushback from the judiciary or for cop from Congress is appalling. Absolutely appalling. Trump Organization sued Capital One accusing the bank of closing hundreds of accounts belonging to the company. Trump Organization said that Capital One's unilateral decision came about as a result of political and social motivations and woke beliefs. Banks, banks are now left wing, WOKE enforcers. Well, they have been for years and now it's finally turning around. Now it is finally changing. Where they don't feel comfortable doing this. This is really meaningful. And note the next, the next phase of this needs to be, we need to demand if there is an ad that runs on msnbc, ok, I want to know why that company isn't running ads on Fox News. And we need to start to hold these companies to account. If Mercedes and BMW and I don't Know, I mean, you know, who are some of those? Well, star, we've got our own coffee company here, thank you very much. And to talk about Starbucks, but if some of these major international brands, you know, Apple, if they're willing to put money in advertising to reach an audience that will watch msnbc, I want to know on what basis they're not putting money with, with, with Fox News, with Newsmax, with talk radio. Why, why is it that left wing podcasters who are wrong about everything and who are lunatics can count on corporate dollars? And on the right, it's always, there's always this concern about brand safety. Why are they safe? But we're not safe. Our people just won the election. We're in charge. We run the country. Brand safety, you know, I mean, look, I understand free market, private market, people can do what they want, but we can also do what we want and say to any company that's out there that's putting real money on left wing programming, hey, what's going on here? And force them to answer the question. Force some of these companies, you know, for force, like Ford Motors or, you know, whoever it is, I'm just coming up with big, big companies, but force them to say, you know what? Half the country can go, you know, can go take a long walk off a short pier with their politics and we think they'll just buy our stuff anyway, you jerks. Let's hear them say that now. Let's, let's force them out a little bit because this matters. This matters. The left. One of the great things about this Trump administration has been disassembling the forever regime of the universities and the, you know, corporate HR woke DEI apparatus and the way that the, the NGOs that suckle at the teat of places like USAID and npr. This, this needed to be done. And I've talked about being a conservative for a long time. We've dreamt of this fight finally happening for decades and now it's finally here. And Trump is doing so many things, this administration is moving on so many fronts that I think it's easy to have some of this stuff get a little bit lost. It's easy for us not to put enough focus on all of these different things because there are so many of them. But forcing companies to end as a matter of policy, and I mean, the biggest companies in America, the biggest companies in the world, forcing them to end political discrimination, write down in their company bylaws, we will not, as a company, deny services, deny product to people because of lawful political belief which, whether they want to accept it or not, voting for Trump is a lawful political belief. The right to bear arms, the Second Amendment, being a gun owner and wanting to have a constitutional right that is a lawful belief. And any institution that is going to discriminate on a political basis, the Trump administration should immediately take whatever legal actions are possible, sue them and let the courts figure it out. Oh, but Buck, isn't that, you know, that's what they do. Let's see. Let's see how it shakes out. Sue them. And also the public should start to demand accountability and openness about what's going on here. So Citigroup no longer says that we're going to have these weird policies when it comes to guns because the idiot leftists who are busy, I'm sure counting their huge bonuses who run that place realize this is not going to be a good look for us. We need this to extend to all companies and any. I'm just going to say it to you. Any company that will put money. Ok. On Rachel Maddow show And not, not talk radio, not conservative. Conservative content is not your friend. And they're getting away with not being your friend. They're getting away with spitting in your face. And I think we put an end to that. This is a different moment now. This is a changed moment. They don't have the same control they used to. Now is the time to push. Now is the time to make demands. Sell your stuff to everybody or there will be consequences. 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I think it's the only area that I'm trying to think what else just keeps getting worse every year while technology gets better and everything should be streamlining and improving? How is it possible that flying is more stressful than I can ever remember it being? Maybe that's just a perception thing, but I do know that there's so much time. You know what the. The one that really drives me in some ways the most insane is the when you land and you think you're about to get off the plane and then you sit there for 45 minutes because there's no ground crew to let you out of the plane. Well, let's be honest, you start to have little thoughts in your head about, like, what if I just, like, hit that slide and, you know, just sort of hopped out? You know, I mean, you start to have some crazy thoughts because you want to get off that plane because it landed and everyone's safe and you want to get off and. But, you know, there we are sitting there waiting, waiting. It really tests your patience so that I want to get some answers. And I know Sean's gonna have updates for us. Sorry, keep plums. I've known Sean, Secretary Duffy, for years now, and this is a thing for me. A lot of these guys who run the country now or cabinet level secretaries I've had beers with in the past, sometimes many times. And so it's after. I have to remember the formal title. But yes, Secretary Duffy will be with us. We'll talk to him about this. I think that's going to be important. If you're on hold and. And. Or you want to send in a talk back. We'll get to a lot of that in the next hour. After you take some coming up here in the top. I'll just give you kind of a rundown of the top news stories. Then we'll get some calls. So stay with us on hold there. Want to hear from you. And if you want to call in 800-282-2882. And word is from from Clay, you'll have to get full update from him on Friday. But I'm hearing that maybe he was at par today on that golf course. I can neither confirm nor deny. But is Clay a scratch golfer? There are rumors that I am starting so we'll have to see if those rumors are correct. And he had a great time today and he's doing important things for the show out there on the links. We'll be back here, talk to Secretary Duffy. We'll get into some more news stories. I basically we have a fantastic show in the third hour coming your way. So get some Crockett coffee, come back, sit down, be right with you. This is an I Heart podcast.