Hour 2 - The War on Drugs

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2: The War on Drugs
Date: December 12, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss escalating U.S. military action and sanctions against Venezuela—focusing on the seizure of a Venezuelan oil tanker, the economic strangulation of the Maduro regime, and broader implications for the region and global markets.
The episode also covers the breaking news of former Michigan football coach Sharon Moore’s criminal charges following his firing for an inappropriate relationship, and a heated caller segment on workplace affairs. The hour combines sharp political commentary, real-world economic impacts, and headline-grabbing scandal, all delivered with the duo’s trademark conversational style.

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Key Segments & Insights

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1. Escalation Against the Maduro Regime

[02:36–14:33]

U.S. Military and Economic Pressure

• The U.S. has seized a major Venezuelan oil tanker in the Caribbean, a significant blow to the Maduro regime, whose economy relies almost entirely on oil exports and, to a lesser extent, drug trade.
• Buck frames the U.S. actions as an economic “chokehold”:

  “90% of the Venezuelan government’s budget, essentially, is oil exports. … It really is a true economic one-trick pony.” (Buck Sexton, 03:25)

• The U.S. has also carried out 22 strikes against suspected narco boats, with 80 traffickers reported killed.
• Trump has repeatedly suggested Maduro’s days are numbered and, while not committing to boots on the ground, has not ruled out targeted strikes.

Oil Markets & Global Sanctions

• Most Venezuelan oil exports, already heavily sanctioned, are being offloaded at a discount to countries like China and Russia—those “willing to skirt or ignore US sanctions.”
• Clay points out the hypocrisy in climate policies that restrict U.S. oil production while forcing purchases from countries with dirtier extraction methods:

  “So even on their own goals here, they were morons.” (Clay Travis, 06:26)

The Effect on Venezuela’s People and Potential Regime Change

• Discussion shifts to the humanitarian impact: millions have fled Venezuela, with significant populations now in the U.S. (particularly Miami).
• Analogies are drawn with Iranian exiles post-1979 revolution; Venezuela “should be like Latin American Norway,” given its resources, but instead, decades of socialism have made it “an economic basket case.” (Buck, 10:40)
• The hosts debate what post-Maduro regime change could look like, cautioning that past U.S. interventions haven’t always ended well.
• Notable quote:

  “Communism is a virus. And when the virus takes hold and replicates, it will kill the host every time.” (Buck Sexton, 15:09)

Noteworthy Soundbite

• Trump speaks on the record about seizing the Venezuelan tanker:

  “We’ve just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela. Large tanker, very large, the largest one ever seized actually. And other things are happening.” (Donald Trump, played by Buck, 12:37)

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2. Broader Regional Implications: Cuba and Oil Price Impact

[13:09–16:08]

• The collapse of Venezuelan oil exports could devastate Cuba, which relies on subsidized oil from Venezuela in exchange for doctors and “security thugs.”
• Hosts argue regime change would ultimately lower oil and shipping prices, benefitting U.S. consumers:

  “If we could have a sane government in Venezuela … the price of oil and gas would come down substantially.” (Clay, 14:33)

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3. Breaking News: University of Michigan Coach Scandal

[20:44–32:21]

The Charges Against Sharon Moore

• Former UM football coach Sharon Moore was fired for an inappropriate relationship, then allegedly broke into his assistant's home, threatened self-harm, and faces felony charges.
• Clay details the scandal’s rapid escalation:

  “He was fired for having an inappropriate relationship with his subordinate … then went to that assistant’s home, invaded that home … He told her he was going to kill himself right in front of her and she was going to have his blood on her hands.” (Clay, 24:20)

• The scale of Moore’s loss is highlighted—multi-million dollar contract, a young family, complete implosion in a matter of days.
• Buck offers a sober perspective:

  “This guy throwing away his career in this way and clearly having something of like a psychotic break … He needs psychiatric help.” (Buck, 27:18)

• They explain “fired for cause” means Moore loses a $13 million buyout.

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4. Caller & Audience Interaction: Blaming the Assistant?

[37:05–41:57]

• A caller blames the assistant, suggesting she may “profit” from the fallout.
• Clay and Buck push back, emphasizing neither party comes out well but also noting workplace sexual dynamics:

  “You shouldn’t—I don’t think she should be able to keep her job. I certainly don’t think the University of Michigan should pay her off. … She shouldn’t profit, I guess, is what I’m saying.” (Clay, 41:16)

• Segment sees the hosts clarifying details, acknowledging reporting mistakes, and bantering about late nights.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Buck Sexton on Venezuela’s oil status:

  “It is a true economic one trick pony. It’s oil exports and then it’s drugs.” (03:20)

• Clay Travis on environmental policy:

  “Even on their own goals here, they were morons.” (06:26)

• Donald Trump, via aired soundbite:

  “We’ve just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela. Large tanker, very large, the largest one ever seized actually. And other things are happening.” (12:37)

• Buck Sexton on communism:

  “Communism is a virus. And when the virus takes hold and replicates, it will kill the host every time.” (15:09)

• Clay Travis summarizing the Sharon Moore allegations:

  “He told her he was going to kill himself right in front of her and she was going to have his blood on her hands for saying that they had been engaged in a relationship.” (24:20)

• Buck Sexton on scandal fallout:

  “This guy throwing away his career in this way and clearly having something of like a psychotic break … He needs psychiatric help.” (27:18)

• Buck, moral takeaway:

  “Don’t sleep with your assistant. And definitely don’t sleep with your assistant if you’re married. … Don’t do that.” (32:06)

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Flow & Tone

The hour is fast-paced, mixing geopolitical analysis (with a conservative lens) with unfiltered reaction to a major sports headline. The tone is direct, irreverent, sometimes caustic—reflecting the show's commitment to “telling it like it is” but also showing empathy (for Venezuelan exiles, for Moore’s family).
The hosts display an easy rapport, shifting from serious policy talk to lighter, self-deprecating moments and engaging actively with audience feedback.

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Key Takeaways

• US policy against Venezuela is intensifying; military and economic methods aim to topple Maduro without ground invasion.
• Regime change is possible within months, with broad implications for oil prices, regional stability, and millions of Venezuelans inside and outside the country.
• Heavy criticism of socialist policies and left-leaning “virtue” environmentalism, with an argument for US energy independence.
• Major university sports scandal handled with sensitivity to due process and mental health, but also emphasis on personal responsibility and contractual fallout.
• Audience engagement brings out complex takes on workplace relationships, gender, and the limits of institutional responsibility.

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For New Listeners:
This hour presents a blend of geopolitical commentary, current event breakdowns, and splashy, headline-driven conversation—punctuated by lively banter and a willingness to “go there” on touchy subjects, always with a focus on policy impact and personal responsibility.

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Next Hour Teaser:
The show teases further coverage of political news and an interview with writer Ryan Girdusky.

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Of play and buck kicks off right now and things are. Well, they've been heating up for a while. They're getting really hot off the coast of Venezuela. A US Armada not only prepared for further action like what we have seen against those narco boats which are getting blown up. And Secretary of War Hegseth says that is going to continue. But now we have, in addition to this, of seizures of oil tank, we have. The US has seized an oil tanker in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Venezuelan oil tanker. And this is a big deal because this more than anything else is the lifeblood of the Venezuelan Maduro regime. So we already have this, this buildup, clay of forces in the Caribbean. Trump has been saying repeatedly and for weeks now, Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's gotta go. There have been reports even of efforts to get Maduro to leave the country. But the guarantees that the Trump administration has been willing to give them have been insufficient to get Maduro to agree to this. So far. At least that's what the reporting is. And now you have the US grabbing 90. 90% of the Venezuelan government's budget, essentially is oil exports. It really is. It is a true economic one trick pony. It's oil exports and then it's drugs. That's what Venezuela is exporting right now, drugs and oil. The oil is like a heavy crude that requires some pretty extensive refining, as I understand it. And even more importantly than that, it also is under sanction. So it's only getting sold to the Chinese, mostly getting sold to the Russians. I know they have a lot of oil, but you know, they'll take it at a huge discount. It's getting sold essentially to countries that are willing to skirt, evade or just ignore US sanctions in different ways. So we seized an oil tanker. Just be like fast rope guys down. There's photos of this. We just took this oil tanker and said that it is a part of our sanctions against the Venezuelan regime. We have 22 strikes against boats in the region. Clay 80 people, narco traffickers killed in those strikes. And now we have the US Seizing oil tankers from Venezuela. This will not take long. The Venezuelan economy is already teetering on the. I mean, it's effectively ruined. It has been ruined by Maduro, by the socialists. No shock there. And it seems pretty clear to me at this point. I don't think it's going out at a limb at all that Trump's policy here is regime change in Venezuela. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean U.S. troops or any kind of a ground invasion. But Trump has also not ruled out targeted airstrikes, essentially missile strikes, perhaps bombers coming off of aircraft carriers, drones going after ground assets in Venezuela. We, we might be in the regime change business here very soon because seizing oil tankers, you only have to do this a few times before the Venezuela. And all of a sudden, the coffers. The coffers are just dry in Venezuela. They got nothing left.

[D]

Yeah. I think you pointed out something significant here, which the climate change people seem to have, to a large extent, kind of vanished. But when they were not allowing us, at least they're not making ascendant arguments that are winning right now. When they were not allowing us to explore oil and gas to a large degree in this country, and they were trying to limit how much we could produce here, they were instead allowing other countries which produce oil and gas, as you said, in a much less refined and clean way that is actually far more detrimental to the overall environment. We were having to buy the oil from them. So even on their own goals here, they were morons. I do think that the question of what should happen in Venezuela, I don't know if you read the story. The exiled woman who got the Nobel Peace Prize and said, I'm accepting this partly on behalf of Donald Trump. She had to be snuck out of the country. Did you see that story? It was really kind of an amazing story about how they snuck her out of the country. They notified the United States of what vessel she was going to be in. So we didn't strike it thinking that it might be a narco boat. And there's also reports that we provided cover for her when she was overseas to keep Venezuela from being able to come and try to seize her on that boat. She went to, I believe, Curacao and then caught a plane there to fly to. To fly to accept the Nobel Peace Prize and be able to speak there. But. So the question is, if we remove Maduro, to what extent will that regime change look like? And when I say we remove Maduro, I think there's just a hope at this point that due to the threats that we have brought to bear, that he will decide to voluntarily relinquish power. And then how much of a power vacuum does exist in Venezuela? Regime change, A lot of people out there probably listening to us right now are going to point out, does not always go fantastically well for the United States. So I believe there are 23 million Venezuelans. How many people do you think of Venezuelan descent are in America now? A million or more, I would think. Certainly. Right. That have fled that country because they are so angry over what has happened there. And we talk about inflation here. The rates of inflation in Venezuela are right now unlike anything you can even possibly comprehend.

[B]

There's 100,000 Venezuelans to 150,000 Venezuelans just here in my. I mean, Venezuelan Americans or, you know, immigrants just here in Miami.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, maybe the number is not a million, but I would think it's close. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people have fled Venezuela to come to the United States.

[B]

800,000 close.

[D]

Not too far, not too bad. How many of those people would be willing to go back to Venezuela potentially, if we were able to have some form of sustained, not crazy, left wing leadership?

[B]

It reminds me of when you talk to Iranians who remember what it was like really under the Shah period and before the Khomeini and Iranian Islamic revolution took over. It's a great culture, a great country with fantastic people. Everything should be overall going very well there. For. For. This is one of the things that you see here, Clay. It's one thing for a country like Nicaragua to fall into the grips of, say, of communism because, look, it's going to be tough. There's not a lot of. Not a lot of natural resources. You know, there's not a tremendous amount of advantage in that, in that geography, just, just as a. As a place to set up a country. It's like the old Sid Meier civilization game that I love so much as a kid. Like, you got to pick where you put your city, and you want it to be near a river and you want it to be near farmland. You know, Nicaragua is a pretty place, but it's not sitting on one of the largest proven oil reserves in the world.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Venezuela is in the western hemisphere. Should have a fantastic relationship with America and Canada and, you know, all the big players in the region. And it should have a high quality of standard of living. You know, it should be like Latin American Norway.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Another place that has huge, you know, oil and gas reserves and, and has created, you know, a really big, essentially national trust fund for everybody to fund a lot of things. And instead, it's a total economic basket case. It's actually kind of a hellhole. You know, the Maduro regime has worked with. We hear about trend. It's a prison gang. And now they have not only gangs that run all the prisons, which you can imagine if you're an opposition figure, Clay. You get arrested, you go into one of the prisons run by a prison gang that, oh, by the way, is supported by the actual government. Think about what that's. And controls the smuggling routes for the drugs and engages in acts of political violence, assassination, and all kinds of horrific oppression to silence opposition voices. It's like an anarcho tyranny state. Right. Now, that's what's going on. And Trump is just saying we're going to tighten the screws until this thing collapses.

[D]

We'll play this, by the way, in a sec. Trump saying we seize the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. But before we play that, I was reading an article and I think it is significant that there are tons of tankers of oil that are currently out to sea that are having difficulty being delivered anywhere because Russia is obviously trying to sell on the black market tons of oil and gas, and so is Venezuela. And the pressure that the Trump administration has brought to bear means that China, for instance, and India are not taking that illicit oil and gas at the same level that they were before, which is weakening the overall power of Maduro. But also, in theory, Putin, from an economic perspective here, by the way, is Trump, this is cut 3, 30, saying, hey, by the way, you heard we did this. We seized a tanker of oil and gas off the coast of Venezuela, cut 30.

[B]

Well, thank you very much. It's been an interesting day. From the same point of news, as you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela. Large tanker, very large, largest one ever seized action. And other things are happening. Yeah, other, by the way, that's a very Trump thing. Other things are happening. Yeah, you've got the biggest armada the Caribbean has. I don't know if there's ever been a bigger one. I mean, maybe you have to go.

[D]

Back World War I or missile crisis.

[B]

Way back in the day, but you, you have a massive military buildup in the Caribbean. Not a place we usually think of as where, you know, Persian Gulf. Yes, Caribbean, not as much. Something's definitely going on. And a secondary component of all this clay, and this definitely is going to get the attention of a lot of our South, South Florida listeners. Cuba is also just scraping along just barely. The regime there, just barely able to make it all keep going. And they're, they're dependent on getting essentially free oil or highly subsidized on the Venezuelan regime. And they do effectively a barter of sorts where Venezuela sends Cuba oil and Cuba sends Venezuela some doctors, some security thugs, by the way, because they're all trained by the KGB and the Soviets. You know, they know that business. They, they are very close as well to a regime that is effectively economically frozen in place. So, I mean, more so than Cuba already has been for 50 years. So we're going to see where this goes. We're going to, it's like when Trump says we're going to, we're going to look at that. We're going to look at it. I think there's a very good chance that Maduro is going to be gone within six months. And that's a pretty wide latitude. It might even be more like two or three months.

[D]

Yeah. And again, what I would say if you're out there and you're saying, I don't care what goes on in Venezuela, I think what would happen if we could have a sane government in Venezuela is the overall price of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially. And if you're out there concerned about cost of goods, then the cost of goods relating to shipping, whether it's diesel fuel for people out there driving trucks, or any product that's being effectively shipped anywhere around the world that allows a higher profit margin when the cost of shipping comes down. And anybody out there who has ever been involved, as I have been in selling retail goods through the mail, the amount of cost of shipping will blow your mind.

[B]

That's what we deal with with Crockett. Let's just be honest. Just shipping people coffee is an expensive problem, no doubt. And always trying to find ways to do it at the best cost so that we don't have to pass those costs on to costs on to customers. So, yeah, shipping, shipping is a big part. But think about this. Venezuela is sending its oil to China. Yes, that's. I mean, think about the cost of that shipment for that oil, which is already, like I said, it's a very heavy crude. And then on top of it, there's the sanctions. And then on top of it, you got to send it all the way. You know, Venezuela should be operating at maximum capacity, selling oil right here into the US or right, you know, right into all around Latin America. But communism can destroy anything. This is what people. Communism is a virus. And when the virus takes hold and replicates, it will kill the host every time.

[D]

And on top of all that buck, we have a lot of interest with American corporate. I think it's Chevron has a huge stake and they've to a large extent tried to seize all the American assets inside of those companies, the foreign assets. So this is something worth paying attention to. I think you're right. I think it's going to happen maybe by the end of the year, maybe by into January. By the way, news coming out of Michigan. Head coach there has been charged with three criminal elements. They are taking it live, I think, right now on FOX News. Former University of Michigan football coach Sharon Moore in the jail right now having a hearing. We'll tell you a little bit about that when we come back. If it feels like everything moves at two or three times the normal speed at this time of year, you're not wrong. Holiday season just gets absolutely crazy in terms of how much gets packed in. And you may be looking and thinking what would be a great gift? Cozier. Trust me. Go on this website right now. C O Z Y Earth. Use my name Clay. 40% off everything there right now. It is absolutely fantastic. You will love it. Make sure to order by today all the people out there. If you want this to gift to get to people you need. If you want it to be able to come to you so you can get ready to give it as a gift, you need to order by today for guaranteed Christmas delivery. That's cozyearth.com go check it out. The blankets, the sheets, just phenomenal product. You're gonna love it. C o z y earth.com My name Clay. That's cozy. Earth.com My name Clay. Get hooked up today. Cozyearth.com Clay, you'll want to do it again. Today is the deadline for guaranteed delivery by Christmas. That's cozyearth.com my name Clay. For 40% off Stories of Freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day, spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Shh.

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U N D welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all you hanging out with us. I teased that we would tell you this. This is awful. Obviously. From the University of Michigan, former head football coach Sharon Moore is in the middle, I believe right now of his court proceeding in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Basically the county there, Washtenaw County, I believe he's been charged with three different offenses, home invasion in the third degree. He was fired for having an inappropriate relationship with his subordinate. And then we'll play the audio for you because it's pretty chilling what was alleged by the prosecutor here. He then went to that assistant's home, invaded that home. She says he's been stalking her, breaking and entering. He told her that he was going to kill himself right in front of her and that she was going to have his blood on her hands for saying that they had been engaged in a relationship. And he has been in jail for the past two days. The hearing is going on right now. And that is just an awful, awful story as this guy went like Fatal.

[B]

Attraction wacko on a woman. He was having a relationship.

[D]

That basically is what is being alleged. And the audio they have.

[B]

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[D]

Oh yeah.

[B]

I mean, that's a movie every guy should see at some point. In this case, the guy is the.

[D]

One that, you know, that went, went crazy, allegedly. So we've got audio because they had cameras in the court there. Audio and video will play a cut from there as, as we come back. And also, by the way, we'll update you on the decision which I think is the right one, to allow cameras in the courtroom for the Tyler Robinson alleged assassination, alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk. They're going to allow the cameras in the courtroom there which will hopefully maybe we'll address this a little bit in the third hour. Erica Kirk was supposed to be on with us today. She had, was not able to come on. She's gonna come on. Somewhere down the line she's been doing a lot of media promoting the new book of Charlie Kirk. So that's the latest on both those cases.

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Back in Clay TRAVIS BUCK SEXTON SHOW okay. Live video has been airing of former Michigan football coach Sharon Moore being charged with felonies. Here are the allegations that were made against him. He was fired on Wednesday and then as soon as he was fired, allegedly went to the woman who he had been having an affair with, who was his assistant. Again, these are all allegations and this is what they say happened. He barged into her home, broken in her. She says he's been stalking her. And this is what is alleged to have occurred. These were the charges brought against him.

[A]

As we all now know, defendant was.

[C]

At some point on Wednesday afternoon fired from his employment.

[A]

He then at some point soon thereafter.

[C]

Came to her apartment in the address.

[A]

That is alleged in the complaint, barged his way into that apartment immediately, then proceeded to a kitchen drawer, grabbed several.

[C]

Butter knives and a pair of kitchen scissors.

[A]

And began to threaten his own life. I'm going to kill myself. I'm going to make you watch. My blood is on your hands.

[B]

You ruined my life.

[C]

And a.

[A]

Of very, very threatening, intimidating, terrifying, quite frankly, statements and behaviors there in that apartment.

[D]

So he has been charged with several different criminal offenses, including a felony buck. I mean, just. It's an awful story. This guy had a huge multimillion dollar contract to be the head coach of the University of Michigan. He had been there two years. He took over for Jim Harbaugh, has three young kids, is married, and his entire life is basically been blown up since Wednesday. When that, when the university says they got evidence of this relationship, they fired him. And then to make matters worse, he appears to have kind of gone off the deep end. And again, according to those allegations, told the girl that he was having the, the relationship with, that his blood was on her hands and he was going to kill himself in front of her. Now, there were earlier reports that he may have threatened to kill her. He hasn't been charged with that, so maybe there wasn't evidence in that same way, but what a mess.

[B]

It's a mess. Something that. First of all, nobody was my understanding. Right. Nobody was actually physically harmed in this. Right?

[D]

Correct. That's my understanding.

[B]

Sometimes these situations have a very tragic ending that can never be undone. So nobody was. So, you know, if you're looking at this, the tragic part of this, first of all, the fact this woman was obviously terrified is horrible. And the threats and all of this is. It's criminal for good reason. But this guy throwing away his career in this way and clearly having something of like a psychotic break or some kind of a breakdown. Look, I don't know anything about this guy as a coach. I'd never heard of him until this, so I can't speak to any of that. But what I can say is I think he'll probably. He'll probably take a plea. You and I agree on that. I'll take a plea. And he, he should check himself into a place and say, look like I recognize I'm responsible for my actions, I will pay the consequences and I will go and get help. Because this is a guy who needs. He needs psychiatric help. And I think that that also gives him the chance in the future of at least, you know, some kind of a second act or, you know, a, a second chance because this did not end with like a murder suicide or something like that.

[D]

Thankfully, this is the kind of rhetoric.

[B]

In this kind of situations that can lead to something like that.

[D]

And again, he has three young kids and he's married, so I didn't know.

[B]

That he was married.

[D]

Yeah, he's married with three young kids, I think all under the age of 5ish. So I mean, just had a baby in July. So yeah, his wife and that family. I mean you talk about his choices that have blown up his entire career, but I mean, I hope that he has been able to save money and take care of that family because I don't know what kind of job he's going to be able to get in his chosen profession. He's 39 years old, so he's not that old of a guy. He's got to go back to work at some point.

[B]

What's he making as a coach at Michigan?

[D]

Oh, probably, I don't know if it was public, maybe producer 5 to 10 million, probably 5 or 6 million dollars would be my bet. And it's a multi year guaranteed code contract. They fired him for cause. For people out there who don't know the difference between being fired for cause and without cause in college athletics or most contracts in general, if you have a multi year contract and you're just fired, you would get paid out all those money. So you hear people talk buck about some of these buyouts that coaches get. You get fired and then they have to cut you a check for tens of millions of dollars. So when they fire you for cause, your paycheck ends immediately. So he is unemployed, he is making no money. He now is facing felony charges. He's got, you know, two weeks before Christmas, he's got three young kids and he basically lit his entire life on. On fire.

[B]

There's no reporting on. You obviously follow the story a lot more closely than I have. Is there any reporting on. Did he have a previous substance abuse or psychiatric history? Aware of?

[D]

Not that I've seen. And by the way, the University of Michigan, there are reports that they knew that he had, that he was dealing with some mental health struggles. They fired him one on one without any mental health counselors. Pregnant, reportedly so present. Yes. So as soon as he was fired, reports are that he basically went straight to this woman's house. So I think the University of Michigan's firing process may well come into question here too because obviously he's responsible for everything.

[B]

He was fired for the affair with the assistant and then he went crazy.

[D]

That's exactly right. And he went to the assistant's home and the reports are that the assistant went public. I mean, she went to the University of Michigan and said they had Investigated this before, and everybody had denied that there was any relationship going on. I don't know what happened to change that. She says maybe he was stalking her, but she made the decision to go to the University of Michigan and provide proof of this relationship because she was his subordinate. Can't do that.

[B]

He.

[D]

And so they were firing him for that, which would have been a disaster for his family regardless. Right. As soon as this went public. But then to layer on top of it the felonies and the fact that he's been in prison for the past two days, I can't even imagine. Whatever mental health issues he may have had before, I would imagine have only been exacerbated by two years in prison with everybody out there talking about the choices that you made in life. But to your point, the positive is here. Nobody was injured. There was no, you know, there was no violent act. At least that has been alleged so far that led to anything there. Now, certainly this girl. I mean, a guy storming into her apartment and saying allegedly that he was going to kill herself and the blood was going to be on her hands is interesting. We've got a reporter there for Outkick, says that Sharon Moore is now going to post bond. He will get a GPS tether attached to him, and his attorney is saying that he doesn't know necessarily where his client will go. But to your point, Buck, I'm going to be mental health.

[B]

It's going to be a second.

[D]

I would think a mental health facility would probably be the place.

[B]

It's not going to be an insanity defense, obviously, that can't. Which is very. You know, all you have to do is watch Law and Order and you find out that insanity defense is actually very hard to mount unless someone's sounds really, really crazy. But it will be a mitigating factor if he's willing to take a plea. So he's gonna have a record. And obviously he's lost his job and his reputation is dramatically damaged. But, you know, it could have been worse. And hopefully, I think.

[D]

By the way, Buck, you were asking about contract. I think he had $13 million left on his contract.

[B]

Oh, so he immediately loses his wife, too. Wife in the.

[D]

Kids.

[B]

Kids. It's like, well, you know, this is the thing I don't like to do. The moral of the story, but moral of the story, don't sleep with your assistant. And definitely don't sleep with your assistant if you're married. Okay? It's bad enough if you're not married with kids, but you're married with Kids, don't sleep with the assistant. Don't do that.

[D]

He was making $6.1 million. So he had two years left on his deal. So right around $13 million that is void. And anyway, I hope for the kid's sake that he had saved some of the money that he's made. But he's only been a head coach for a couple of years, so you can make a decent salary as an assistant coach. As many of you probably have recognized, those salaries have gone up, but not necessarily crazy life changing money like you make as a head coach. And so, yeah, this is a mess of a situation and it's a major story out there that everybody is covering right now. Yeah, we can take no good point. We can take some calls. 800-282-2882. And we've got some audio of our good buddy Tim Walls who has weighed in on the Somali fraud allegations as only Tim Walls could have. And also our buddy Ryan Gardusky is going to be on with us at the top of the next hour. For the final hour of the week.

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U n D Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We'll get into some of what Tim Wall said here coming up in a little bit, but David in Minneapolis we're going to wants to weigh in. David, what you got for us?

[B]

Hey guys, I'm not excusing his behavior. He's culpable for what he did. He should be punished. But this happens all the time. Some some female starts screwing around with some guy that's her superior or whatever. They get busted she knows that he's married, has kids. She knows that if people find out that he's going to lose his job. And what does she do? The second that things go south, she throws them under the bus. She'll probably keep her job. She'll probably sue as a state and take money away from his kids. So let's not make this woman out to be some little victim. Yes, he's a victim. I don't think either, just to be clear. Well, hold on one sec, John. I mean. All right, hold on. Hold on one second. David, I don't. I don't want to interrupt you, but I do want to say I was. I mean, this is Buck talking. I was expressing sympathy for the wife and children of this guy. I never said anything about, you know, I'm happy this woman wasn't harmed, obviously, but no one's crying tears for her for the affair.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, you're right that she knew what she was engaging in, too. I mean, he's a married coach, and I actually think she would probably lose her job, too. Maybe you're right.

[B]

I know he's in a lot of these situations. This is. This is true. We didn't really sort of. To your point, Dave, we didn't really get into this aspect of it, but, you know, there's a lot of. Look, I'm just gonna. I brought up the Harvey Weinstein thing before, for example, specifically with Gavin Newsom's wife. His. Harvey Weinstein's defense in that specific situation was they had a longstanding relationship and that it was essentially transactional, as in she had, you know, a sexual relationship with Harvey Weinstein and he gave her movie roles, et cetera, et cetera, which.

[D]

Quid pro quo sexual harassment.

[B]

Now, this is what the defense said, but he was not convicted. In that trial, which was the interesting point I was trying to. That trial, he was actually not found guilty. But in this case, sometimes if you're the assistant, you know, you're lower down the chain of command at a business. Your boss there, his career is annihilated. But if you're the, you know, the office vixen and you're enticing and everything else that doesn't.

[D]

She should. In my opinion, she should certainly get fired, too. But you may be right, the caller may be right that the University of Michigan will pay out some sort of settlement to her.

[B]

Doesn't sexual harassment law usually work in a way where if you're the subordinate employee and a female. I also think it's a little sexist. Well, but if you're the subordinate female, except for that movie with Michael Douglas, and to be more where everyone's like, really? Michael Douglas? Like, it's that, you know.

[D]

Yeah. Disclosure back in the day. Well, so I actually. I don't know if you know this. I actually did sexual harassment seminars for labor. I've done this before. So, you know, you have hostile work environment and quid pro quo sexual harassment. But usually sexual harassment claims are not brought when there's an actual relationship. It's that someone is trying to say, hey, if you do this, I'll give you this. If. Or, you know, you're making someone's job uncomfortable by harassing them there, that's sexual harassment. The. And in that situation, certainly the victim can get paid out, the boss can lose his job. But whereas here, presumably, there was a consensual relationship. I'm not talking about the morals of it. I'm talking about she agreed to sleep with him and they were sleeping together. I think he gave her a raise. That's the allegation out there. They previously all denied the relationship. They were investigated for this, and then she just decided to, according to reports, narc him out. Now, I don't know what occurred that would have allowed that to happen. I don't understand why at all she should benefit in any way from this. She. Look, his situation, he lost a $13 million contract. He's married, he's got three kids. This is a disaster for him. Yeah, but why in the world. She knew what she was doing, right? She consented to this relationship until maybe. And we don't know what happened. Well, the real thing is, what if he broke it off and said, hey, this is a totally wrong decision. I can't do this anymore. I'm just speculating. He broke it off. Something set her off for some reason. She went from denying they had a relationship, reportedly to now saying, hey, we did have a relationship, and they fired him. What changed that would have led that to occur? Maybe she broke it off and he was stalking her. Who knows what's going on, what the impetus was. But my point is just. You shouldn't. I don't think. I don't think she should be able to keep her job. I certainly don't think the University of Michigan should pay her off. I bet they end up doing it, but she shouldn't profit, I guess, is what I'm saying, off of this situation. He certainly is not.

[B]

Kevin from New York City listens on W O R sent us a talk back. I think he's Telling Clay to lay off the rose. Hit it. I think Clay might need a stronger dose of crack it coffee because just in the last segment, he said pregnant instead of present. He said two years in prison instead of two days. And he said gonna kill herself instead of himself. Maybe a stronger dose of Crockett coffee. Or maybe my boy this weekend because he sell. He's selling our coffee for us. So we appreciate. Thank you for selling the coffee dot com.

[D]

I do. Maybe I do need more coffee. I'm trying to make sure that I get all the facts right and evidently I got them all wrong. So apologies there.

[B]

I'm also impressed, though. I mean, it sounds like he's sitting there taking notes as.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, all the audience out there is on top of it. So. Yes, all of those details. Evidently, if I got them wrong, I got them wrong. And we did have a fun night last night. So maybe that's the reason. Although I think it's probably just.

[B]

I also love. I also love our boss, Julie.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Who is super fun at Bari. Just a great, great company. But calling me out saying, oh, you stayed up past your bedtime because it's 10 o'. Clock. Totally true. I do not. 9 o', clock, 9:30. I turn into a pumpkin or whatever. I'm done. I got to go home.

[D]

Julie is great, our boss. I have never seen her be the first to leave any party. I think I've only seen her be at the very end of every party that I've ever been to in our entire radio career. She is incredible. She and her husband Michael, they took us to the Kentucky Derby just recently. But she is everywhere.

[B]

Some of the Florida, our Florida media friends, they have a little name for me. They call me Irish Exit Buck because I'm usually the first one out and they catch me when I do the selfie. You gotta get the good selfie at the party so that you share it and everyone's like, oh, yeah, like you were. It's like proof that you were there and that you were having fun. But I usually don't last man like loudness music. I'm like baby speed. It's too much for me. But I stayed out till 10pm Eastern time last night. I think that's the latest. I've been out, I don't know, a long time. A long time. And I. And I walked home slowly. If I had driven Clay, I would have stayed under the speed limit the whole time.

[D]

Well, I don't doubt it because you're Driving Miss Daisy, I guess. Who was the. Is Morgan Freeman that was the driver of Miss Daisy. I never saw that movie.

[B]

But it is a cultural, you know, touchstone. Yes. More coming up. Stick around.

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