Hour 2 - Things That Make You Go Hmmm

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 – "Things That Make You Go Hmmm"

Date: May 4, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Episode Theme: A critical and humorous look at current news, politics, and notable stories impacting America, with a focus this hour on government dysfunction (especially in private industry and health care), cultural trends, and listener calls.

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Episode Overview

In the second hour, Clay and Buck take aim at government overreach and failures, from the demise of Spirit Airlines to massive fraud in Medicaid-funded home health care. The pair welcome investigative journalist Luke Rosiak to break down staggering revelations about Medicaid abuse, discuss Miami’s unique culture, the rise of self-driving cars, and the persistence of political danger in the highest offices. The show maintains its trademark blend of humor and pointed critique, engaging both listeners and callers across a range of hot-button issues.

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Segment Breakdown & Key Topics

1. Spirit Airlines Demise and Government Overreach

[01:30–03:52]

• Buck laments Spirit Airlines' closure, suggesting Democrat policies and government interference led to its downfall.
• Criticizes Democratic tendency to make industries “more expensive, more dysfunctional.”
• Clay takes calls from listeners, including a former Delta pilot.

Key Quote:
“Democrats, you have to give them credit, they are so capable when it comes to destroying things, especially private industry… making things more expensive, more dysfunctional and patting themselves on the back while they do it.”
– Buck Sexton [02:01]

Notable Caller: Steve in California, former Delta/Western Airlines pilot

[03:52–05:52]

• Recounts how employees rallied to save Western Airlines.
• Critiques lack of government accountability in failed Spirit/JetBlue merger.
• Expresses hope in renewed leadership (“now we got somebody in the government who wants the country to survive”).

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2. Car Culture, Tesla, and the Future of Driving

[06:58–10:40]

• Call-in from Jeff in Southwest Florida about his wife’s new Tesla.

• Discussion on pros and challenges of self-driving technology.

• Clay predicts a generational shift:
  “Ten years from now, very few people will be driving. I think 20 years from now, driving a car will be like riding a horse. Something people do for fun…” [09:41]

• Buck admits, “I derive no joy out of driving. If I could sleep when I’m in the car all the time, I would. Know thyself, you know what I mean?” [08:51]

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3. Miami Culture & Social Media Absurdity

[11:00–14:49]

• Buck shares a critical, comedic take on the “influencer” culture of Miami, poking fun at F1 mania.
• Clay tells the “sunken Instagram boat” story as a perfect Miami moment.
• Jokes about Marco Rubio DJ-ing a wedding and the ubiquity of “Miami hustles.”

Key Quotes:

• “The whole Miami culture is find a way to make money without doing any work.” – Buck Sexton [13:55]
• “People wear clothes in Manhattan. In Miami, everybody’s in spandex or a bikini 90% of the time.” – Clay Travis [14:49]

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4. Political Security & Recent Assassination Attempt

[19:20–21:14]

• Clay and Buck critique lackluster security at high-profile political events.
• Express concern over repeated threats to former President Trump.
• Buck suggests more “elite security” (retired Tier 1 military operators) may be warranted.

Key Quote:
“There needs to be more of a constant threat mindset around this president because he is under constant threat.”
– Buck Sexton [21:45]

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5. Latest on Florida Redistricting & Political Landscape

[22:46–24:46]

• Clay updates on Ron DeSantis signing Florida’s new redistricting bill, expecting Republicans to gain 4 seats.
• Comments on the wider implication for midterm election dynamics.

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6. Spotlight: Medicaid Fraud and 'Taxpayer-Funded Butlers'

Interview with Investigative Reporter Luke Rosiak
[24:46–34:49]

• Rosiak discusses explosive Daily Wire report about Medicaid personal care services being abused, especially by Somali immigrant communities in Ohio.
• Describes how relatives are paid for basic caregiving tasks (“taxpayer-funded butlers”), costing Ohio $1 billion per year.
• Details lack of oversight, challenges for prosecutors, and business middlemen exploiting the system.
• Clay: “How does it get fixed?”
• Rosiak: Proposes ending “personal services” Medicaid waivers; warns it’s almost impossible to police or prosecute this kind of fraud.

Key Exchanges & Quotes:

• “No society can afford to pay people to hang out with their own family members.” – Luke Rosiak [26:54]
• “It’s a stealth universal basic income… a giant welfare program being paid by the feds.” – Buck Sexton [29:24]
• “If there is a program where fraud is almost impossible to prove, I think we can’t have that program.” – Luke Rosiak [34:07]

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7. Broader Discussion: Government Waste & Cultural Dynamics

[35:00–37:32]

• Buck and Clay reflect on why financial crime is so hard to prosecute, and the minimal impact of most discretionary federal spending if cut in half.
• Clay: “When the government gets involved, typically things get worse. And the government is super involved in health care.”
• Criticism of Somali immigrant exploitation of U.S. welfare systems, linking it to “low trust society” culture.

Key Quotes:

• “This is where, Buck, you go to the culture of Somalia. It is an exploit as many people as you can culture.” – Clay Travis [36:16]
• “Medicaid has just been turned into a giant welfare slush fund… less and less to do with actual health, medical issues…” – Buck Sexton [37:50]

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8. Breaking News & Teasers

[44:06–45:51]

• The hosts read new social media updates from Trump regarding Iran’s attacks on international shipping.
• Preview further discussion on the “JP Morgan sex slave story” and upcoming calls for next hour.

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Memorable Moments

• Miami influencer culture makes F1 “just an excuse for a selfie,” not genuine sports interest.
  – Buck: “People could save thousands of dollars by just doing a green screen…”

• Clay’s prediction:
  “Driving will be a fun hobby, not a necessity, within two decades.” [09:41]

• Explosive Medicaid fraud investigation:
  Rosiak’s reporting paints a shocking image of welfare abuse so extensive it could bankrupt state budgets, and highlights how structural government programs invite fraud when oversight is minimal.

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Notable Timestamps

• [01:30] – Buck blames Democrats for Spirit Airlines’ demise
• [03:52] – Former airline pilot calls in on mergers and government blunders
• [07:29] – Tesla and self-driving car debate with Jeff from Florida
• [11:00] – Buck and Clay riff on Miami’s “hustle” and influencer scene
• [21:14] – Security failures and political assassination attempts
• [24:46] – Investigative journalist Luke Rosiak interview
• [34:49] – Discussion on solutions for Medicaid fraud
• [44:06] – Breaking update on Iranian hostilities via Trump post

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Takeaways

• Clay and Buck remain relentless in their critique of government inefficiency and abuse, particularly in health care and regulatory action against private industry.
• The Medicaid fraud story emerges as a centerpiece, highlighting the difficult balancing act between compassionate government services and the gamesmanship that can undermine them.
• The hour is peppered with humor and cultural observation (cars, Miami, influencer absurdity), while never drifting far from political implications.
• Strong listener engagement, interviews, and breaking news maintain the show’s dynamic pace and relevance.

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For those who missed it: This episode is a prime example of Clay and Buck’s passionate, informed commentary that combines real outrage, deeply sourced reporting, and a dose of levity—setting up major questions about government, culture, and America’s future.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Yeah, a lot of people wanting to weigh in on this Spirit. Related story Steve in California. Steve is a former Delta pilot and you've been through some of these airline mergers before. Steve, what story do you have for us?

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

Well, essentially in the 80s, if you read the Wall Street Journal, I was then working for Western Airlines, the only way to fly. And the employees, in my opinion, at Western, saved the company. I can go on to more detail. In essence, passengers told me later that they would go to one of our mountain stations, say Billings or Great Falls, and wait in the parking lot until the airplane came in. When they saw it come in, they go in and buy a round trip ticket because then they figured they were going to get out of town. So it. But they got there. The employees made them feel like, hey, this is a great place to be. And they passengers told me later that they wondered, what do these employees know that the Wall Street Journal doesn't know? And it turned out we survived.

[Clay Travis]

Well, what do you think of the government's involvement? As a former airline Pilot, Spirit and JetBlue were going to merge. You know, well, there are four big airlines now. The question is, can we get to a fifth? Is it frustrating to you as a, as a former pilot when you see the government swing and miss like this and there's just no real consequence for them screwing up and not letting the marketplace work.

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

In my personal opinion, prior to Trump, that would be a good statement. Now we got somebody in the, in the government that wants the place to the country to survive. I think we've got one hell of a good chance.

[Clay Travis]

Well, thank you for the call.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, if he's talking about 80s airlines, personally, I'm a big fan of blue Star. And when Bud Fox did the restructuring, he had the unions on his side, which meant that Pittsburgh and St. Petersburg weren't going to get their luggage mixed up all of a sudden. So I'm a big Bud Fox Blue star airlines guy. I did not like the takeover attempt by Gordon Gekko

[Clay Travis]

and Charlie Sheen, one of his great roles. Charlie Sheen's had a lot of really good top.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a top five Charlie Sheen role. I actually, I think that's Michael Douglas's best role all time. Personally, I think, I think he nailed

[Clay Travis]

Gordon away so good. Yeah. Yeah. That I need to watch that with my boys again. I will go. Charlie Sheen's top role ever. I know some of you are going to hit me with platoon and all the ser movies that he did. This major league Rick wild thing Vaughn,

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna argue with, I mean, I, I, I probably go Bud Fox over major, but he is, that's like a, this is a, you know, very close call. Very close call to make.

[Clay Travis]

All right, let's go in. Buck, this is, we, we're having an impact here. Jeff. In southwest Florida, Buck mentioned that he was going to be test driving a Tesla. I bought one. It's the best car that I have ever driven. I mean, and by driven, I mean let drive. My boys love it. Around $50,000 for a Model 3, which relative to what cars are costing now, I can't believe that it was that affordable. Jeff, what's your take?

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

Well, I'm a V8 Hemi guy and I've got a younger wife who has had two super bees and she wanted to go look at a Tesla. I told her, you're not going to park a Tesla in my garage or no am I going to put a plug in there. He made an appointment. I went with her. He decided on getting one. Easiest process to buy a vehicle I've ever seen. He was on the computer. She said, I just bought a car. I said, what? He ordered the Tesla, had it delivered to Fort Myers, Florida, went over to pick it up, went inside. Are you, are you Jennifer? Yep. Your car's outside waiting. Had a sign on it, went over it with her when we left. Easiest, easiest process ever for me to do. And yeah, I haven't driven it, but I do ride in it.

[Clay Travis]

So you let the Tesla self drive you too? Does she drive or does she self drive?

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

He, she just got it like about two weeks ago and she drives. And I says, look, before your self driving you need to know how to drive it yourself, you know, you know, don't rely on that yet until you, you know, get, you know, get knowledgeable about it yourself. And then she's done a few times just to see and it's pretty cool. I like it. Will I own one? No, she has one but. All right, I don't have to drive anymore because I say, hey, you're saving gas, you're driving. I'll ride for now.

[Buck Sexton]

But now he's, he's almost fully, he's almost on board. Look, my, I can tell you my brothers, my two brothers both like driving and they are ready to disown me over my attempt to get the Tesla thing going. But I, I'm just going to be sitting there, you know, reciting poetry and taking naps while the car takes me places. And that is, that is what I want. I do not, I derive no joy out of driving. If I could sleep when I'm in the car all the time, I would look, know thyself. You know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

I, I don't disagree with that. Jeff, is your wife a good driver? And hopefully if you, if she's, if she's listening right now, you can say yes, the best you can lie. But do you think your wife's a good driver?

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

She is a good driver, yes. She does have a heavy foot, yes.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, well that's better than Buck who drives like Driving Miss Daisy. The self drive is so. Thank you by the way, Jeff, thank you for the call. The self drive is revolutionary and, and I do think the more people try it, you're going to be as blown away as I was. It's like being in the future. And my brother in law is a car designer for Ford, did it for 30 years. He's like, you know, your brother's Buck, he loves to drive. We have like both extremes in some way. I have an SUV that I drive a lot. But when I'm driving now after having been in the Tesla self drive, I get behind the wheel and I think why am I doing, I feel like I'm going back in time. There's a huge generational divide. I think. I really do firmly believe this. I think 10 years from now very few people will be driving. I think 20 years from now, driving a car will be like riding a horse. Something that people do for fun, but that most people do not do on a regular basis.

[Buck Sexton]

As we know from Yellowstone, horse riding is manly and cool, but not very efficient. And this is where I think self driving is heading very quickly here. It can be a thing where I still think, you know, F1 just happened this weekend in Miami. I think I'm the only person who lives in Miami that did not care. Did not, did not go.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And it's hilarious to me. You guys have to understand South Florida, particularly Miami, really Miami, when I say South Florida, because Palm beach and Broward is a very different thing than Miami Dade. Miami Dade is its own entity. It really is Latin America. In America, it's a different, different thing than other places. And F1 here, Clay, everyone has to go so they can post on their social media about being at F1. That's really. I think people could save themselves thousands of dollars by just doing a little green screen with like an F1 track behind them, because that's the only reason people really go. Let me tell you. F1. You know what you see when you go watch an F1 thing? If you're at the track, you just see like blurs go past you at 180 miles an hour and everyone's like, oh man, is Verstappen going to overtake? And they're watching a 26 inch TV screen. I have a much better TV screen in my home.

[Clay Travis]

I will say this, you're mentioning like, I do feel like every influencer in Miami, lots of pretty girls who make a living off being pretty girls, goes to the F1 race. The perfect story for Miami that I have ever seen was you remember this story? I think we kind of had some fun with it. A rich guy, as one does, filled up his boat with pretty Instagram influencers too much. And the boat sank in Miami. And remember the Instagram girls were video for content or video standing there in their bikinis, pretty girls videoing his boat sinking? And I just thought this is a perfect. This is. There is not a better Miami story than. Than this. I did see. Did you see the video going viral of Secretary of State Marco Rubio DJing at a wedding in. In Miami? And one of the funniest comments I saw was every Miami guy also doubles as a dj, which is another.

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

Another.

[Clay Travis]

You saw that video, right, Of Marco Rubio, like operating the turntables. And, and the comments were really, really funny. Obviously Rubio's got 60 jobs or whatever the heck it is, and now he's got a new one. He's working as a dj. But Miami Instagram, pretty girls videoing as the boat sank, and Marco Rubio DJing two perfect Miami videos. But yeah, the. The comments, they were like, every guy in Miami also doubles as a. As a dj. So I do.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Don't do it.

[Buck Sexton]

I was going to tell you right now, don't do it.

[Clay Travis]

Everybody's got a hustle in Miami. Every time I walk to your place, Buck, you know, you pass people who are out on the phone, like, doing calls and everything else. Everybody feels like everybody I pass is working on some deal. Right. They've all got a hustle that they're working in Miami.

[Buck Sexton]

The whole Miami culture is find a way to make money without doing any work. That's actually what Miami is built so

[Clay Travis]

you can get a boat and put pretty girls on it, go out on the bay.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And by the way, I don't mean money to, like, pay your bills. I mean money for your Lambo and your, you know, 37th floor, brand new condo with views of the bay so that you can vroom, vroom, vroom all over Miami and go on a boat and have a lot of really pretty girl. Like that is what. That is the aspiration down here. I come from Manhattan, so it's not like I'm from some. Is a whole different deal down here, man. It's a whole different world. I've. I've People. Manhattan. Manhattan is like a. Well, how. How can I put this? People are much more interested in your personality. That's. That's the best way I could put it. People are more interested in New York City and what you have to say.

[Clay Travis]

People wear clothes in Manhattan. Like, everybody also in Miami is in spandex. Like 90% of the time if they're not in a bikini or, you know, like a tank top with. With a bathing suit on. It is. It is an amazing place. We'll take some of your calls. We'll continue to react to the stories. Again, straight up, Hormuz, Spirit Airlines, all of that coming your way. But want you to know that Sabre can do a tremendous job to help protect so many people out there. No matter where you are in your life right now, if you're like me and you have young kids in the house, maybe you are a little bit nervous about guns or the ability of kids to get into the guns, maybe you got grandkids around the house. Saber is non lethal. We have a great offer right [e-mail] they have pepper sprays. They have projectile launchers. We have every single every single one of the products here in our house. You are going to absolutely love them. Number one Pepper spray projectile trusted by law enforcement. But if you got kids that are going out, maybe they've got a job, maybe they're working at a restaurant, going back out into a parking lot. You got a daughter, you got a son, you got kids going off to college, coming home to work for the summer. Whatever you're looking for, Sabre will hook you [e-mail] Trust me. Check it out. Family owned business to make you safer. S A b r e saberradio.com if you truly care, pass along this common

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[Buck Sexton]

I wonder what would have to change internally within the Secret Service. People might say, oh, we'll get rid of the guy in charge. Okay, so who's going to take over? Why would, why would they necessarily be better? What skill set do they bring to the table? I mean, I still think that if I were Trump, I would find some way to. I'm sure you could probably just do this via Secret Service. Maybe you could, you know, deputize a bunch of recently retired Tier 1 guys, meaning Delta SEAL Team 6, and say, hey, guys, I need. Because they do that kind of stuff. I mean, they would do that sort of thing in war zones. For example, you know, Hamid Karzai wasn't just like, walking around hoping that it all worked out for him when he was running Afghanistan. Same thing with various presidents of Iraq or, you know, the US Ambassador, et cetera, in those places. So they have that kind of experience. And I just think that there needs to be more of a, of a constant threat mindset around this president because he is under constant threat. There have been presidents where that really was not the. I mean, yeah, it's always the case. There are lunatics who send in, you know, letters that are. They've cut out things from magazines to make some threat to the president. No one really thinks they're going to do anything about it. This president's under constant threat and more elite security around him would seem to make a lot of sense to me. But I don't, I don't know who's going to make that call or how that happens, Clay, just bureaucratically.

[Clay Travis]

So that's one story that is going on right now. The other one, and this is positive. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who was on with us Thursday, I believe, has officially signed the bill passed by the Florida State House and the Florida State Senate that redraws the border of many different congressional districts all throughout the state of Florida. And the expectation now is there buck, that Republicans will pick up four seats in Florida. We still don't know the full legality of what's going to happen in Virginia, but this would basically make that a wash. Speaking of wash tomorrow, because Indiana Republicans refused to pass a new bill to do what Virginia was willing to do, we will get an early read on the midterms about whether many of those state reps in both the Senate and the House are going to pay any political price for that decision, as the primary will be taking place in Indiana Tunnel Towers foundation launched its Steel Across America tour over the weekend in New York City. They're transporting a steel beam from ground zero across 21 states. Founder Frank Siller, who will be on with us Wednesday to share more, said the tour's mission is to educate young people about the heroism and sacrifices of 911 first responders and victims. Heroes like United States Navy Chief technician Shannon Kent. Shannon's service was inspired by the 911 attacks. A decorated warrior mother, Shannon served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. She joined the Cryptologic Warfare Activity Command when it was established. She tragically lost her life in a suicide bomb attack in Syria. In this 21st anniversary year, we want to remember the sacrifice she left behind. Her husband Joseph, two young sons Tunnel the Towers paid off their family mortgage t2t.org to help. That's t the number 2t.org welcome back

[Buck Sexton]

into Clay and Buck. We're joined by Luke Rosiak from the Daily Wire. He has done an incredible, incredible investigative journalist analysis. He's gone deep into home health care fraud. If that sounds like it's not super exciting, I promise you give him a minute because you're, you're going to all have steam coming out of your ears. Luke, first of all, great work. Really enjoyed. Enjoyed might not be the right word. Really appreciated reading the piece. It's pretty frustrating as a taxpayer to read it. Tell everybody what you did and what you found and what the heck is going on here.

[Luke Rosiak]

Yeah, thanks for having me. So what we're talking about is basically taxpayer funded butlers for Somalis to the tune of $1 billion a year just in Ohio. They come here from as refugees or whatever, but now they have free servants that will come cook for them, glean for them anything they, anything they want. And this is Medicaid funded. It's an expansion of the Medicaid program that Ohio has a waiver for that they call personal services because it's an acknowledgment that there's nothing really health. It's not, it's not medical. And then further infuriating people I think is the fact that a lot of the butlers are just the relatives of the the other Somalis. So they're just getting paid to hang out with their own relatives and doing things that normal famil families do, cooking for each other, cleaning for each other. And so just as we saw with Nick, Shirley and everything else in Minnesota, them demanding to get paid for watching their kids or watching their neighbor's kids, which if they're not working I don't know why they need daycare. They're getting paid to watch kids. They're getting paid to hang out with their own, you know, elderly mother. The Somalis have basically mastered the art of getting paid to do things that everyone else does just because they're decent human beings. But it's kind of on track to bankrupt Ohio because, you know, Medicaid is like half of Ohio's budget. Medicaid spending is like doubled in the last few years, and no society can afford to pay people to hang out with their own family members.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. So in Minnesota, there seemed to be a desire on behalf of the Democrat Party not to look in very aggressively into the spending because Somalis were a huge part of their coalition and they saw it as maybe a price to pay for the political support. What's going on in Ohio?

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

What.

[Clay Travis]

What is the politics behind this? How does a situation like this such that you could tell emerge?

[Luke Rosiak]

You know, obviously it's very interesting because it's a Republican state, Republican governor, Republican legislature, but the attorney general testified to the state legislature not too long ago saying that he's being blocked from doing fraud investigations. Like, really, it's almost like you'd have to be pro fraud to do some of the things they've done. They used to have a rule where you had to have a GPS in your car. If you're one of these butlers who's being paid to go from house to house and, you know, cook a meal for an old person, they had a GPS in your car just to make sure that you're actually going there. That rule was changed so there's no longer gps. The state attorney general is not empowered to prosecute these crimes or even subpoena people for Medicaid fraud because of turf wars where the local prosecutors just don't want somebody intruding on their jurisdiction. But local prosecutors don't know how to do Medicaid fraud. You know, it's pretty technical, and they're just doing, like, normal street crime. And so there's essentially nobody looking into the ins and outs of this. And I went there and it's. I went to Columbus, Ohio, and it's. It's just very blatant. I mean, you. You pick a name at random, and they're all foreign names, but you can look into it. And they've got other businesses, like, they're just casually running this multimillion dollar Medicaid business on the side while they do other things. There's nobody in most of these offices, and it's Really? I mean, it's either nobody is interested in fraud or in policing fraud in. In Ohio. One reason is 70% of it is paid by the federal government. So it might be the other people's money problems.

[Clay Travis]

Where.

[Luke Rosiak]

And I think Minnesota, this was true. It's like, what do we even care? Even if the money is being stolen, maybe it's going to help our economy some way. And it's really. It's just the federal taxpayers dollars. Who cares?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, Luke, this is so important what

[Clay Travis]

you're laying out, because it's.

[Buck Sexton]

It's almost like a. It's a stealth universal basic income or something. I mean, it's a giant welfare program being paid by the feds. People think it's about necessary healthcare. Like, oh, my gosh, with these Medicaid dollars. Without it, you know, people would be turned away from emergency rooms. They would bleed out on the floor. No, this is.

[Luke Rosiak]

This.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a giant scam. It's in all. It's in all 50 states. This stuff is going on. But can you speak to. And obviously his piece is up at Daily Wire. We're going to link to his [e-mail]. just make it easy for you guys. We're going to go check it out. But Medicaid millionaires is the title. Talk about the businesses. Like, you're discussing how they're these home aides or whatever they are, and they're really like a butler that's a family member that's being paid to just hang out with you. And there's no proof that they're doing anything. There's no requirements for any actual work. Talk to me about the businesses, though, that are acting as middlemen, getting fat on these taxpayer dollars coming in. And it's not even clear any work is being done.

[Luke Rosiak]

Yeah, that's so important because the traditional archetype of the welfare queen was like, somebody that's on a poverty program and they just got, you know, maybe some nicer food than somebody who's unemployed should have.

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

This is.

[Luke Rosiak]

That seems really quaint now. Like, we're so far beyond that. The new welfare queens are the corporations that provide poverty services to others. So they're billing these poverty programs as the. As the providers. And so if you do want to hang out with your family members and get paid, you don't have the ability to bill Medicaid directly. So you need to become an employee of a company who does, but your only client is really your own family member. So there's all these companies that basically just sit in the middle and take a little piece off of a billion dollars a year, which really adds up. And these are people that oftentimes have criminal records, are totally disreputable people. Some of them have like violent tendencies. And we're just like, oh yeah, it's health, it's healthcare. And you know, you're heartless if you don't want that, want this. But it's huge money for people that are not actually providing any services. And you know, basically I think it jeopardizes the ability of Medicaid to pay for things that people really need. I mean, the original justification was if you have to go into a nursing home, it would actually be cheaper if we could just come take care of you in your house if you needed things. But then they expanded it to where it's not even nursing. It's just stuff that like your normal family would do, like cook you, cook you dinner or just hang out with you. And the problem is people aren't going to pretend to be like old and decrepit to go to a nursing home because nobody wants to go to a nursing home. But if there's, if you're getting free paychecks and you can still just hang out and do whatever you want at your house, there is an incentive for people to go to these doctors and get notes claiming to be infirm. And the Somalis in particular seem to be the ones who are exploiting that. And maybe Americans, we have skin in the game where we don't want to bankrupt our own country. And it seems like the Somalis don't have any trepidation about that.

[Clay Travis]

How does this get fixed? I mean, I think that's the number one question that most people have out there. It's infuriating, it's frustrating. The amount of fraud is frankly overwhelming. It appears in many parts of the government, but particularly all this home health care stuff. When the government has gotten involved in health care, how does it get fixed?

[Luke Rosiak]

Yeah, so I've got some ideas on that. I know a lot of people feel hopeless and like really black pilled. I think there is a way to, I mean, one of the ways to solve this is just to end the personal services waiver in Medicaid. And I think the Trump administration could do that. And like, you know, if you've got an old person in your family that it could, they could use some help having somebody cook them lunch. Great. You're just going to have to do that yourself. That's what families do. You don't need to bill the government for that. And if that's a hardship for some people, you know, I think that's the cost of immigration, honestly, is we may have been able to have these programs before, but now we can't afford to have nice things because we have people from low trust societies that will exploit them. But I'm going to be rolling out stories in the Daily Wire every day this week exploring these ridiculous scenarios where it's pretty clear that something absurdly sketchy is going on. For example, there's an accountant who lost his license for stealing public funds and then he created a Medicaid company using the address of the teenage son of a convicted money launderer. So, like, pretty clearly sketchy. Right? But how do you prove that that dude isn't actually going to people's houses and helping them? Unless you have cameras and the names of the old ladies, you can't prove it. And so I think that it's very difficult to actually prove in the court of law fraud on some of these. And that's why I get really concerned that we just, if there is a program where fraud is almost impossible to fruit to prove, I think we can't have that program. So I think that the Trump administration, bottom line, rather than playing whack a mole with Ahmed Mohammed and Muhammad Ahmed and Omar Omar, and they shut down one firm because it's busted for fraud, but then their brother creates a new one next door. And we saw all kinds of stuff like that in my investigation. That's whack a mole. It's going to take so many resources to police the fraud. I say we got to just end this whole Medicaid waiver for personal care.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much. Luke Rosiak, DailyWire.com is where you go for the piece. Appreciate you, man. Good work and we'll have you back on.

[Luke Rosiak]

Thanks, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

So, Clay, I can just tell you from, I know this from friends of mine who are either current or former Fed, current or former federal prosecutors. A lot of financial, financial crime, which is rampant in this country these days, it's tough to get people, you know, there has to be a little more to it. A lot of the time takes a lot of man hours and womb and woman hours takes a lot of, of manpower hours. And most of these federal prosecutors, it's all just drugs and guns, drugs and guns, drugs and guns, illegal guns. But this is, this is what they spend their time in the big prosecutor's offices dealing with a lot of the time because they're easy, those are easy to prosecute, makes it Seem like you're doing your job. It never stops. It's always. By the way, it never stops. But actually looking into this stuff and seeing that the federal government is being ripped off, I mean, they're just finally catching up with people who did massive Covid frauds years ago.

[Clay Travis]

I think we're catching a small fraction of it. I just still, I mean, I think we should. This would be. If I. If I had a magic wand, I think we could cut in half all discretionary spending that the government puts out there. And I think the actual impact of normal Americans would be negligible.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, in other words, if we just cut. And I understand, I'm talking about discretionary spending. If we just cut it in half, I think there would be zero impact. I think the money would be spent better. And ultimately, what you come back to is this was what the conversation we were having earlier. When the government gets involved, typically things get worse. And the government is super involved in health care. And we have created all of these different plans and all these different outcomes that are designed to try to pay people to do health care jobs. And a lot of these groups, like the Somalis seem to be able to recognize, oh, my God, we can just exploit it. This is where, Buck, you go to the culture of Somalia. It is a. Exploit as many people as you possibly can culture.

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

Right?

[Clay Travis]

It is a.

[Buck Sexton]

Has been lawless, has been a lawless place, and largely like 30% of the population addicted to a stimulant called cot, which they chew on. A largely lawless place for as long as you and I have been alive.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And so the exploitation of people is deeply ingrained in the culture because it's do that or you don't. You don't survive.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

And that's just the truth. Okay? This, this is, this is the reality of, of day to day in. In Somalia. Never mind all the violence and everything else.

[Clay Travis]

And I would just point out, Buck, if this were really an issue, there hasn't been any complaint about people not having daycare.

[Caller/Guest (Former Pilot or Listener)]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

Like, yeah, if you remember, they basically finally have shut down A lot of. Nobody's suddenly saying, oh my goodness, my entire family is thrown asunder here.

[Buck Sexton]

This medic, Medicaid has just been turned into a giant welfare slush fund that has less and less to do with anything related to actual health, medical issues and is now it's just a welfare fund. But it's so much easier because politically you have to say, hey guys, we're spending too much on Medicaid. It's like you don't want babies who have a, a cleft palate to get a surgery in the, you know, oh my God. The heartstrings are pulled on right away. No, I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with people making thousands of dollars a month to hang out with a relative and watch TV because they don't want to do an actual job. And that's Medicaid, and that's what we're seeing. I'm not okay with companies billing $200 million. This was Medi Cal. But Medi Cal gets a lot of money from the federal government. $200 million for prescriptions that aren't actually even going out. Like, I'm not okay with that. And you would think that people would be on board for this, but we got to bring this focus home. J.D. by the way, Clay, I reached out to J.D. vance's team. I want J.D. to come on, talk to us about this, this fraud. Because it has to be more than just a few high profile prosecutions. It has to be systemic change. So we'll get into this. Mother's Day is one of the most beautiful moments of the year to share life changing news. Maybe you've seen it within your own family. A family gathered around the table and someone stands up and says, next year there's going to be a brand new mom in the family. There's nothing like it. But for some women, Mother's Day feels very different. Instead of celebrating, they're carrying a secret. They're afraid, they're unsure. They're alone. That's why Preborn exists. Preborn's network of clinics nationwide are open and available to every pregnant mother, especially those with unplanned pregnancies. In addition to unconditional love, care, and resources, Preborn gives them something else. An ultrasound experience so they can meet the unborn child in their womb. Because when that mom to be sees her baby on ultrasound, hears that tiny heartbeat, it doubles the chance that she's going to choose life. This May you can be the reason a scared young mom to be becomes a mom. In reality, just $28 provides one ultrasound that it could save a life. Or $140 that could reach five expectant mothers. Preborn empowers women to be mothers. And that's only the beginning, because they help for two years after the birth of the baby with maternity care, baby clothes, diapers, counseling, and so much more. Yes, of course, celebrate the mothers in your lives this Mother's Day, but also help some become moms. Help some moms out there. To get involved, simply dial 250. Say the keyword baby. That's 250 save baby or go to preborn.com buck preborn.com b u c k sponsored by preborn miss the show While

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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