Hour 2 - This One is For You, Dads

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - This One is For You, Dads
Date: June 19, 2026
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Featured Guest: Alex Berenson

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the cultural and societal importance of fatherhood ahead of Father's Day, juxtaposed with Father's Day's underappreciation relative to Mother's Day. With guest Alex Berenson, author of "The Fatherhood Manifesto," Clay and Buck dissect how pop culture depicts dads, the data-backed effect of fathers on children's outcomes, and the cultural shift that has marginalized father figures in media and family law. The hour offers humor, direct listener engagement, and a passionate argument for restoring the stature of dads in American life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pop Culture, Dads, and Changing Family Dynamics

• Opening Banter (03:36–08:07): The hosts riff on the theory that high-profile men (e.g., Barack Obama, Tom Brady) opt for careers (or stay in them) to avoid domestic life. They humorously discuss Tom Brady's reluctance to retire, tying it to his divorce with Giselle and changing family priorities.
• The Wealth of Celebrity Couples (05:02–06:27): Clay and Buck compare earnings between Tom Brady and Giselle, using this as a segue to discuss lifestyle brands and male/female wage disparities in modeling.
  • Clay Travis: “Male models make like minimum wage compared to female models. Is a whole different ball game.” (05:34)
  • Buck Sexton: “That is the ultimate. Hey, the sexes are not equal when it comes to equal pay for equal work.” (06:00)
• Presidential Library Aesthetics (07:00–08:07): Callers and hosts poke fun at the Obama Presidential Library’s design, comparing it to “the Death Star” or a “dystopian warlord hideout.”
  • Clay Travis: "It actually does kind of look like the Death Star. … If this were the lair of... Honestly, it could be Sauron's lair or something from Lord of the Rings." (08:11–09:10)

2. Nostalgia: Childhood Cartoons & Dads

• Cartoons and Parenting (09:44–14:04): Clay and Buck recall '80s and '90s cartoons (He-Man, Thundercats, Voltron, Transformers) and relate them to parenting and generational changes in children's entertainment.
  • Buck fondly discusses watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles with his mother, highlighting the parental role in children's lives.
• Modern Kids’ Shows (14:04–15:25): The hosts comment on "Ms. Rachel" and "Paw Patrol"—massively influential on today’s young kids—and compare contemporary children's content to the creative chaos of 1980s cartoons.
  • Buck Sexton: "No, nothing. If I deviate from Ms. Rachel, he throws a tantrum… He only wants Ms. Rachel. Nothing else is acceptable." (14:28)

3. Father's Day vs. Mother's Day: Why the Disparity?

• Recognition Gap (16:07–16:54): Buck estimates Father's Day gets “10%” of the attention of Mother’s Day; Clay goes as low as “5%.”
  • Clay Travis: “I think Mother’s Day gets 20 to 1 on Father’s Day. We get 5%, women get 95%.” (16:24)
• Societal Narratives About Dads (16:54–17:46): Clay argues dads have been erased or made into obstacles in pop culture, replaced by narratives that elevate the single mother as the family’s driver.
  • Clay Travis: “Dad was a part of the nuclear family household. Then they wrote out dads. Dads become either absent or violent obstacles to the success of the family and the mom... And I think we need to kind of bring back dad.” (16:54)

4. Interview with Alex Berenson: The Value of Fathers

[25:14–39:17]

a. Why Write “The Fatherhood Manifesto”?

• Berenson drew inspiration from his frustration with mainstream narratives dismissing the necessity of fathers and “authoritative parenting.”
  • Alex Berenson: “Legacy media was lying essentially about something very important ... the necessity of fathers and of being an authoritative parent, not being a gentle parent, not being a feminized parent.” (26:16)

b. The Data: Child Outcomes and the Two-Parent Family

• Outcomes: Clear, data-driven advantages for children—especially boys—when raised with fathers at home. This is consistent across income levels.
  • Alex Berenson: “It’s unequivocal... two-parent households are much, much healthier... especially crucial for boys.” (28:39)
• Not an attack on single moms: Emphasizes two-parent households are ideal, but recognizes success is possible in single-parent homes.

c. Pop Culture’s Diminished Dad

• Berenson and the hosts outline how TV shifted from fathers depicted as capable figures (e.g., Leave It to Beaver, Full House) to them being portrayed as “morons” (e.g., Married With Children, The Simpsons) and how advertising and even children's books like Berenstain Bears follow this trend.
  • Alex Berenson: "In the Berenstain Bears books, Papa Bear is always a moron... Mama bear's always in charge and smart and wise and getting things done." (32:33)
  • Buck Sexton: “Comedic shows. The dad could be funny, but the dad was still dad. Now dad is always depicted as, like, a fat moron.” (31:35)

d. Cultural Backlash & “Hyper-Masculinity”

• Explains how shaming traditional masculinity opens the door to caricatures like Andrew Tate, whose popularity among young men reflects a hunger for strong father figures.
  • Alex Berenson: “When you cut out people who want to be real fathers ... you are opening the way for this backlash and for this parody of manhood.” (33:41)

e. Advice for Dads & Government's Role

• Parenting Tips: Don’t whine, model resilience, allow children to safely make fun of you to reinforce authority calmly.
  • Alex Berenson: “Don’t whine. And don’t let your kids whine. You want them to respect you and so you have to set the standard.” (35:45)
  • "If you have the proper relationship with your children, you can let them make fun of you, even ... pretty aggressively... everybody knows who's really in charge." (38:32)
• Family Law: Clay notes dads are often treated unfairly in custody and support battles; Berenson agrees reforms toward equal custody would benefit fathers and families.
  • Alex Berenson: “If women and men are equal before the law, as they should be, then shouldn’t that be the base standard [50/50 custody in divorce]? ... That makes a reasonable amount of sense to me.” (37:48)

5. Listener Calls & Closing Reflections

• Listener Engagement: Callers reminisce about childhood toys, presidential libraries, and support the episode's central theme (“dads matter”).
• Cultural Call to Action: Clay and Buck urge a national conversation pushing back against the myth that dads are extraneous—and insist on recognizing their crucial role in both family and civilization.
  • Buck Sexton: “Without dads, civilization is not possible. … Without dads we don't have the rough and ready men on the wall so that we can sleep soundly at night.” (46:11)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Giselle was angry that [Tom Brady] went back and now they're divorced. And Giselle has a baby with the jiu jitsu instructor, which is, you know, maybe the, the epic disaster there for Brady.”
  — Clay Travis (04:20)
• “That is the ultimate. Hey, the sexes are not equal when it comes to equal pay for equal work. And the Zoolander movie kind of made fun of this.”
  — Clay Travis (06:00)
• “I do think there is a desperate demand ... for bringing dads back into pop culture in a positive way.”
  — Clay Travis (16:54)
• “The data is pretty astounding about what dads do to advance kid outcomes...”
  — Clay Travis (27:51)
• “Two-parent households are much, much healthier ... but having a father at home is crucial, especially for boys.”
  — Alex Berenson (28:39)
• "You can actually trace it to two shows, Married With Children and The Simpsons. ... That started a trend that never stopped, that only got more and more ridiculous and almost pathological as the years and decades went on."
  — Alex Berenson (31:45)
• “If you have the proper relationship with your children, you can let them make fun of you ... you're the king and they're the jesters. ... But everybody knows who's really in charge.”
  — Alex Berenson (38:32)
• “Without dads, civilization is not possible. ... That should be reflected in our conversation.”
  — Buck Sexton (46:11)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Pop culture and dad stereotypes: (03:36–08:07, 31:23–32:33)
• Nostalgia: cartoons and modern kids’ media: (09:44–15:25)
• Father’s Day/Mother’s Day recognition gap: (16:07–16:54)
• Alex Berenson interview on fatherhood data, pop culture, and advice: (25:14–39:17)
• Discussion on family law and custody: (36:11–37:48)
• Reflection on why dads matter: (46:11–46:48)

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Conclusion

With humor, cultural commentary, and thoughtful insight, Clay, Buck, and guest Alex Berenson make the case for a revival of respect and appreciation for fathers. Whether discussing 1980s cartoons, the failings of popular culture, or the real impact of dads on children, the episode is a rallying cry for restoring dads to their rightful place in the American family—and society at large.

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To get Alex Berenson’s “The Fatherhood Manifesto,” visit Amazon, Apple, or Barnes & Noble. (37:58)

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“I hope we admit more than one day a year that dads are important. I really do.”
— Alex Berenson (37:58)

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[Buck Sexton]

Second hour of play. And Buck kicks off right now. Great to be with you, everybody. Father's day is Sunday. Juneteenth is today. Much going on on here in the world. We have our friend Alex Barrington joining us at the bottom. We'll talk a bit about his new book. I think it's like a booklet really, on being a great dad. And here we go. We've got more on the Iran deal if you guys want to talk about that. We have the leftist Mamdani getting some attention once again. And here we go. We got some caller guys. Are these still. Are the callers all still with us here? Clay, why don't you got the screen in front of you? Why don't you line them, rack them and stack them and tell me who we got?

[Clay Travis]

I love this argument. I was talking about my theory. Barack Obama ran for president, so he did not have to be around Michelle all the time. And John in Atlanta, I'm curious if you'll agree with his take here, Buck, I actually think this one is, is right who you got, guy? And I was telling the story about the lawyer who was like, people are nice to me and he wants to work to avoid being at home. You got a good one, John. Give us your guy.

[Alex Berenson]

Well, I think, you know, Tom Brady was in the NFL till he was

[Buck Sexton]

45, had nothing left to prove, really. And I, I think that he didn't want to go home to Giselle. I think that he just wanted to

[Alex Berenson]

stay with the boys, play football and

[Buck Sexton]

not have to go home.

[Clay Travis]

I, I thank you for the call, John. Buck, I 1 billion percent CO sign on this. Giselle was angry that he went back and now they're divorced. And Giselle has a baby with the jiu jitsu instructor, which is, you know, maybe the, the epic disaster there for Brady.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, with Brady, as much as he is a champion and obviously phenomenal at football. Champion in that, in that realm. You know, he's. I don't know. You got a long way to go here. I would have, I would have figured out how to keep things mellow on the home front if I were him. Personally, I think that, that he was

[Clay Travis]

with a Victoria's secret supermodel, Giselle, who probably is wealthier in many ways in terms of just the dual power couple there. Giselle's worth hundreds of millions of dollars in her Own. Right, right. Like, is she. I don't know if she makes that.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, she makes. She's definitely made tens of millions. I don't. I think Tom Brady's made more money than Giselle has. If you stacked up their earnings over the years.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, that's a good. It's a good question. Because sometimes those people have built lifestyle brands like the Jessica Alba's of the world, the Kristen Cavallari.

[Buck Sexton]

She'd have to own a piece of some company she was involved then to be a similar. Because even the top models don't make. And of course, what's really funny is no one's ever allowed to complain about the fact that you. A little bit less. So now. Now it's more about influencers and women who have, you know, 5 million followers on Instagram, stuff like that. But male models, Male models make like minimum wage compared to female models. Is a whole different ball game.

[Clay Travis]

Is a whole different thing. That is the ultimate. Hey, the sexes are not equal when it comes to equal pay for equal work. And the Zoolander movie kind of made fun of this. According to this buck, she has made over $500 million in career earnings. Giselle, wow.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, maybe, maybe that. I mean, Tom Brady is also a nine figure earning guy, but I don't know if it's 500 million. This is close.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I mean, look, sometimes these things are inaccurate, but the, the immediate search says Giselle, $500 million. So let's see. Rob Trucker, driving through Utah. What you got for us, Rob?

[Alex Berenson]

You know, you guys gotta ease up on the, the architects of the Obama library.

[Buck Sexton]

We couldn't hear you, buddy. We can't ease up on your cell phone connection here. That's no, that's no bueno. Let's come back.

[Clay Travis]

Driving through Utah. And what he was going to say is, the OB is a perfect building because it looks like an outhouse. And so it's a perfect representation of his presidency. I do wonder when you looked at that design, it reminds me, remember when they had the Obama official portrait and it was like him sitting in a. In a tree. Do you remember that? Like, it was. It was awful. It's. It's like him and it's a bunch of leaves and branches and you're like, why, why is he sitting on the limb of a tree? I don't understand how you could look at the design of this building and think, you know what? That's a majestic representation of the way that I see the world. I just. It doesn't, it doesn't add up that anyone could have found that building to be beautiful. I'll give you an example. Bill Clinton's presidential library in Little Rock, Arkansas. Say really nice, well constructed building. And obviously Bill Clinton is not perfect, but they looked at it. They built something really majestic and they

[Buck Sexton]

only do wet T shirt contests one day a month at the Bill Clinton.

[Clay Travis]

That actually, actually, if one must know, that would be something that would get me to go to the. The Bill Clinton. I don't think they do wet T shirt contests anymore. I think they died with the rise of phones because everybody can record everything. I think the wet T shirt contest is done, sadly. By the way, I'm looking at this. What style did you have in mind? This is. This is from the Drunk Republican, which is a great Twitter handle. It literally comes up on my Twitter feed as we're talking about this. Like a brute. This is what Obama said he wanted. Like a brutalist, dystopian warlord hideout. You know, hopelessness and loss. Say no more. And this is the picture. It actually does kind of look like the Death Star. Yeah, right. Have you seen the comparison between this and the Death Star?

[Buck Sexton]

If this is what I meant by. If this were the layer of. Honestly, it could be Sauron's lair or something from Lord of the Rings. You know, if this were.

[Clay Travis]

I think.

[Buck Sexton]

Did they remake a He man movie recently, which I think they remade He Man. It did not.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah. He Man's out right now in theaters, I think.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, the original he man, which I think is underrated classic for what it was. It was really peak Dolph Lundgren for those. You know what I'm talking about? It's called Masters of the Universe. And then that Masters of the Universe line was actually adopted by Tom Wolf, the author and raconteur, and used it in Bonfire of the Vanities. That's. That's the kind of impact that he man, the Mattel owned toy brand, actually.

[Clay Travis]

Did you like he man back in the day? Were you a big he man fan? Did you have Case, Castle, Grayskull? Did you have.

[Buck Sexton]

That was a little bit more my. My older brother, I think, was more the he man era than I was. I liked He Man. I was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles super freak in my day. That was my thing. That's why when we had on Vanilla Ice, I remember my mom was such a good mom about this. Every time I was super excited to see a movie, she would sit there with me. I mean, my mom took me to see Teenage mutant ninja turtle 1, 2,

[Clay Travis]

and 3 in I didn't even know they had a 3. I'm gonna be honest.

[Buck Sexton]

They put you. It's like an ancient Japan or kind of feudal Japan, I should say.

[Alex Berenson]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

And it's not good. It was not a good. Not a good move. Two was pretty bad. One was actually a good movie for what it was. But two, you had Vanilla Ice doing the Go Ninja Song, which was, I think, among his finest. His finest tracks. If I miss it, just behind Ice Ice, baby.

[Clay Travis]

I loved he man back in the day. And I even thought, I don't know if some of you have taken your kids to go see the new he man movie because they tried to do with He Man. It's Mattel. They were trying to remake it like they did Barbie, where they're trying to re energize the brands. And Barbie. You told me I didn't see it. You and my wife both told me that the movie Barbie was atrocious. Like, atrocious.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, I'm so happy that Laura hated it because I hated it so much, Clay. It was offensive that anyone thought I should watch it. That's how like. Or anyone would tell me to watch. Like, it was the worst movie ever.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And Laura went in, I think, as the Barbie era, wanting to like it, and she said, oh, no, you can't. You were going to hate everything about this movie. And so I never have seen it. And so I'm worried that they did to he man what they also did to Barbie. And so I haven't. I'm curious if people have seen it and what the. And producer Ali, by the way, said she had the same reaction as Laura. I know some women loved it. She warned me.

[Buck Sexton]

Producer Ali said that she. She knows me very. She knows us both very well, especially our tastes and things. And she's like, you're going to hate it. And I had to start. I didn't get through the whole thing. I got an hour into it. I can't do this anymore. But do you know that. Have you seen the Masters of the Universe? The original. It's a. What do they call it when it's not a cartoon? It's like a, you know, live action or whatever.

[Clay Travis]

Live. Live action. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

It's good for what it is. For what it is. Let me put that. It's good. It's not Gladiator. Like, I'm not trying to get crazy here, but it's actually pretty watchable. Dolph Lundgren was an incredible, credible actor at the time for what he was doing again in that genre. And it's. It's got the guy who plays Lubbock, who is also. Your body's writing checks that. Sorry, your mouth's writing checks your body can't cash from Top Gun.

[Clay Travis]

He.

[Buck Sexton]

That actor who passed away recently. He is in the he man movie. But it was quite good.

[Clay Travis]

I remember going to see it back in the day. I don't have a recollection of it being either good or bad, but I do know that the. I was firmly in the he man worldview and I loved everything about it. So I'm curious whether this new movie pays homage to it or is some sort of woke recalibration of the original. And obviously he man is. The whole he man world is like somebody just got on, you know, got on mushrooms and just came up with all sorts of. I mean there's all sorts of. Even by standards of superheroes world, the he man world is absolutely.

[Buck Sexton]

I'll be honest with you. I was all. I was more Thundercats than He man, really. I was more of a Thundercats kid, which is even more like an acid trip come to life. Like the whole thing makes like, like cat human people. And it was good.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and then it led into Voltron. Do you remember Voltron? And then it led into Transformers. I. I feels like there was a whole era there where there were a lot of people doing a lot of drugs, making a lot of shows for. For little kids. I don't know that that still is that kind of era. It doesn't feel like there's that same level of zany creativity that existed in the 80s today.

[Buck Sexton]

Did Ms. Rachel exist? You're talking about some Father's Day stuff here. Did Ms. Rachel exist when your kids were young? Because no.

[Clay Travis]

Ms. Rachel and I were on Capitol Hill together and I. She was swarmed. Ms. Rachel was. Was testifying on Capitol Hill and she had like a die in for Palestinians on one of the. Did you hear about this? Like, I don't know anything about her.

[Buck Sexton]

All I know is that she must be sitting on enormous piles of cash a la Scrooge McDuck with his gold coins vault, because she has videos on YouTube that have been watched without exaggeration, hundreds of millions. I think some of them are now in the billions of times her videos. My little boy, 14 months old, speed Clay. I try to put anything. I'm so desperate to just be able to watch like National Geographic, like old school National Geographic, you know, like the lions on the savannah and all that. No, nothing. If I deviate from Ms. Rachel, he throws A tantrum. He points at the controller. He only wants Ms. Rachel. Nothing else is acceptable.

[Clay Travis]

I don't.

[Buck Sexton]

He. We just tried out stuff on YouTube. We don't let him watch much screen time, but you know, sometimes a little bit. I don't know what this lady does, but the kids absolutely love it. It was Barney the Dinosaur when I was growing up. That was the one that everybody loved.

[Clay Travis]

My kids were. They liked Paw Patrol and then they had a Nina on. There was a channel called Sprout. They had a good night show and everybody really liked Nina, who was, I think, similar to Ms. Rachel, except not a. Not a crazy left wing zealot, at least that I know of. And she would walk around, brunette woman, super, you know, nice, pretty looking, young. And she would sing like the Good Night Show. And so we watched that a lot back in the day. By the way, it is two days till Father's Day. I was thinking about this. I bet you have a strong take on this. What percentage of attention does Father's Day get compared to Mother's Day?

[Buck Sexton]

10%.

[Clay Travis]

And I was going to go 5%.

[Buck Sexton]

What is the feminist lie that women are paid? 81 cents.

[Clay Travis]

83 cents. 83 cents. Yeah. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Father's Day doesn't even get. Doesn't even get 17 cents on the dollar.

[Clay Travis]

I think. I think Mother's Day gets 20 to 1 on Father's Day. We get 5%, women get 95%. Is that fair?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. I mean, my mom will always say, for example, like, she doesn't want anything for Mother's Day, but she knows she's getting something for Mother's Day. My dad, if he was like, I didn't get anything for Father's Day, she'd be like, come on. You know, totally different, totally different expectation there. I just give him thanks, Give him thanks for raising me. That's what I give him for Father's Day.

[Clay Travis]

I do think we can ever probably have some fun with this. We have talked about pop culture a lot on this show because politics is very much downstream from culture. I do think there is a desperate demand, and it's not just because I'm a dad. And now that you're a dad, you're probably going to be signing off too. And all the dads out there bringing dads back into pop culture in a positive way, there is a desperate demand for it. Everyone who grew up in the 80s and the 90s, dad was a part of the nuclear family household. Then they wrote out dads. Dads become either absent or violent obstacles to the success of the family and the mom. The single mother became the preeminent driver of the family unit across all of pop culture. And I think we need to kind of bring back dad.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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Welcome back in Clay and Buck. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Wes in Russellville, Arkansas. We'll get to a call quick here and then we are going to be joined by our friend Alex Berenson talking about Father's Day, Russellville, Arkansas. Wes, what you got for us?

[Alex Berenson]

Yeah. Oh, gentlemen, it's an honor.

[Buck Sexton]

I in fact got to talk to Rush the day before he retired too.

[Alex Berenson]

But I raised all my kids on those toys you're talking about.

[Buck Sexton]

But you were talking about presidential libraries.

[Alex Berenson]

Well, when I go on I 30 in in Little Rock and everyone I've heard said this, it looks like it's billing Hillary Clinton's double wide trailer.

[Buck Sexton]

If you take a look at it,

[Alex Berenson]

you'll see what we're talking about.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're joined by our buddy Alex Berenson. Got a new book out, the Father Manifesto. A Defense of fatherhood and 50 practical tips to be a better, more involved dad. Mr. Berenson, thank you for being here. Of course, I would say point one on being a really good dad. Don't listen to Fauci when he says it's time for your kid to get.

[Alex Berenson]

Vaccinate your kids.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Ninth unnecessary Covid shot.

[Alex Berenson]

Yes. That's not in the booklet. But. But I. I agree. My kids are happily unvaccinated, uncovered, vaccinated.

[Buck Sexton]

Tell us about the book though. Why. Why'd you. It's Father's Day, so we get the timing. But why'd you want to write? People think of you as the guy who digs into the data call shots, obviously on Covid, but other things too. Foreign policy and pharma and all kinds of things. So why this book? Why now?

[Alex Berenson]

Sure. I was told I should hold it up, so I'm holding it up. Right.

[Buck Sexton]

There you go.

[Alex Berenson]

Here it is. It's very simple, actually. It looks like the COVID booklets that I wrote in 2021. And that's deliberate. It's sort of very simple, gray and black. But. So why did I write this? Well, I have three kids, 7, 10 and 13. And. And you know, it actually in some ways is the same impulse that led me to write those Covid booklets back in 2020 and 2021, because I just fe mainstream media, the legacy media, was. Was lying essentially about something very important. Okay. And that is in this case, about the necessity of fathers and of being an authoritative parent, not being a gentle parent, not being a feminized parent, being not just a second mom who can't cook as well, but being a dad and the role that traditional masculinity can play in kids lives. And so that was the impulse behind this. And so the first part of the book is this. You know, it's. Again, it's a booklet. It's not long and that's intentional. I want people to be able to not be intimidated by it. Just read it pretty quickly. The first part of this is just a short. Here's why fathers matter. I can't believe I even have to say this, but I believe I do at this point. And then there's 50 tips, specific tips, you know, that I, that I. As I say, they're idiosyncratic, they're from my own parenting style. They might or might not work for you as a dad, but hopefully they'll help you think a little bit about your own parenting.

[Clay Travis]

What is the. You're a data guy. We started having you on all the time during COVID you would look at the data, you would explain it. The data is pretty astounding about what dads do to advance kid outcomes. And before you answer, inevitably, anytime we talk about dads, we get a lot. There's a lot of single moms out there listening to us. And this is not denigrating you. And we appreciate everybody who's trying to raise kids, whether they're single moms, single dads, two parent household obviously is the most ideal. All of the data reflects that. But it doesn't mean that your kid can't still be a tremendous success. So with, with that prelude. Generally speaking though, Alex, what does the data reflect that a dad at home does for child outcomes?

[Alex Berenson]

Oh, I mean, it's unequivocal. It's, you know, two parent, you know, households are much, much healthier whether, you know, whether or not both parents are working, you know, and sort of at every income level. Right. This is not, it's not about, obviously generally two parent households are, you know, are better off than single parent households, but this is not actually what that is about. Having a father at home is crucial and it's, you know, especially crucial for, for boys. Right. And you know, as I, as I say in the book, I book, I, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to jump on single moms either. But it's very clear from, you know, the pathologies of inner cities that have gone on for generations. Fatherless boys, you know, they, they tend to run wild, they tend to get in trouble. And sometimes that trouble, you know, is unfixable. And so, so, you know, you, of course, fathers are relevant and important. What's stunning to me isn't that, okay, is that this needs to be said. And yet it does need to be said. And the other thing I'll say is there's this irony out there where a lot of, and I think this is true of you guys. As far as I can tell, it's. And it's true of many, you know, dads in my generation. I'm a generation Xer and millennial dads, they're much better, more involved parents than their fathers were. They want to take their kids to soccer games. They want to be there and they're doing this and, and being run down at the same time as being, you know, idiots and fools. Yet they do it anyway because it's important to them. It's so strange to me that, you know, that sort of the modern feminized culture 364 days a year says fathers are idiots. And then it's like, okay, we have Father's Day one day.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, beyond that, we talk sometimes here, Alex, about how it feels like the culture. And if you go back and watch older shows, just. I don't have the name one, but just in general, the depiction of the dad, whether it's, you know, leave it to Beaver or I never watched Little House on the Prairie, but I'll just guess. I mean, but you look at any father who existed in a pop culture context in, let's say that, you know, all the way up until, I'd say, roughly the 90s. Although in the 90s it was better than it is now. It was a father figure. It was somebody who. When things got really bad, you know, when. When there was a need especially of, like, physical safety that comes up or, you know, when the Apaches are coming over the hill and all the west, like, dad grabs the old Winchester and takes care of business. And there was a respect for dad. Everything now, I mean, and even when I was growing up, by the way, Bob. Bob Saget in Full House, I can't remember the guy's name, but the guy

[Clay Travis]

from Family Matters, Winslow, Tony Danza. Michael P. Keaton's dad.

[Alex Berenson]

Like, they're.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's right.

[Alex Berenson]

Family Ties, even comedic.

[Buck Sexton]

Comedic shows. The dad could be funny, but the dad was still dad. Now dad is always depicted as, like, a fat moron. And that's really preposterous.

[Alex Berenson]

So. So, you know, you can actually trace it to two shows, Married With Children and the Simpsons. And, you know, those are the late 80s. And I get that. You know, there was this idea of we were going to open up the sitcom and. And we were going to, you know, make it more real.

[Clay Travis]

But.

[Alex Berenson]

But that. That started a trend that never stopped, that only got more and more ridiculous and almost pathological as the years and decades went on. And, you know, and you see it. You see it in advertising. You see it, as I say, in the, you know, at the beginning of the fatherhood manifesto, in the Berenstain Bears books, okay, which you would think would be. Are completely apolitical, right? They're books about cartoon bears. And yet in the Berenstain Bears books, Papa Bear is always a moron over and over and over again.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Alex Berenson]

And. And, you know, Mama bear's always in charge and smart and wise and getting things done. And look, I'm not. I don't object to some depictions of this. This. I mean, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's true. But why is it every time that, that it's this way? And I, you know, I think, I think what, what sort of feminized culture doesn't realize is that when you do this, when you undercut, you know, a sort of a simple and stoic masculinity and, and having dads be dads, be something other than, than second tier moms, you open the way for the Andrew Tate's of the world. And this, you know, almost to me, a parody of manhood, this hyper masculine women are just there for sex. You can just use them and throw them away. And you know, Andrew Tate has, or according at least to what he told the New Yorker a couple weeks ago, he's got a lot of kids, but he's not a dad. He's a sperm donor. Okay, but when you, he's not raising those children in any meaningful way, when you cut out people who want to be real fathers, when you tell them that they're just, you know, that the only way to parent is to be, you know, weak and feminized and a gentle parent, which is a term that I hate, which I talk about in the, in the booklet, when you tell them that you are opening the way for this, for this backlash and for this, you know, parody of manhood that these guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I just, I mean, Clay and I've talked about this before. There are things, and you mentioned some of the things about Andrew Tate that, you know, I would very much disagree with and think are harmful. Some of the things he says, just taken as a statement that go viral online, appeal to young men for good reason. And this is what people forget. Some of the things he says need to be said and a lot of other people won't. You know, I'm just talking with things like, you know, you need to be powerful, you need, it's a bit of a, like, you know, almost like a, more a, more like a Jordan Peterson on steroids. Like, you need to be able to be fierce and control that. Like a Jordan.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I'll give you one buck that my kids respond to. Quit whining and do more push ups. Like, that's not bad advice for young men.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, that's powerful.

[Alex Berenson]

It's not. And, but as a dad, and this is, you know, this is again, the 50 tips. The second tip is don't whine, don't wind your kids. And, and the example I use is if your kid gets hurt, you know, playing soccer, you can cry, but if you get hurt, you don't cry. And, and actually last year I Literally, my son, who's only 10, but has like incredible foot, dislocated my thumb while I was wearing a goalie glove. He dislocated my thumb with a, with a, with a shot. And we literally looked at this thing and I just popped it right back in place. And as I said, that was a father son bonding moment. Right? Like, like, you know, I'm not, I'm not suggesting you go out and dislocate your, your thumb so you can show your son, you can put it back in. But, but yeah, don't whine. And, and don't let your kids whine. You want them to respect you and so you have to set the standard.

[Clay Travis]

So these are all great tips and certainly fatherhood important here as we're two days away from Father's Day. Last question for you, Andrew. What could the government do? Or larger state governments, people who are listening right now, legislative members, people who want to help dads be more central. What could they do? What could government do to help?

[Alex Berenson]

No, that's a very interesting question. I, I view this more as cultural right than political clay. I think, I think it's, you know, it's about standing up to, again to this, to this feminized culture, to this anti masculine culture.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry to cut you, Sorry to cut you off, Alex. I hear every time we have this conversation, I get deluged by dads who say that they are unfairly treated in family law courts, that everything is biased in favor of mom. Fortunately, I've never had to go through this. That's kind of the direction that I'm going. It feels like we have a very 1950s court system when it comes to what the male role in parenting is. And a lot of dads feel like they're written out of their kids lives.

[Alex Berenson]

So. I hear this too. I think it's very hard to know about the specifics of any, you know, one divorce or any one case. You know, it's almost something I've been afraid to look at because I'm afraid if I see that it's as bad as people tell me, I will be very upset. But certainly the, I think, you know, we should these days if, you know, if women are, if we're gonna say women are equal and women are equal, then, then everything should be set at 50. 50 should be the base custody arrangement in a divorce and there really shouldn't be child support being paid either way. Right. I mean, if, if women and men are equal before the law, as they should be, then shouldn't that be the Base standard. I mean, that makes a reasonable amount of sense to me. But beyond that, I just, I'm wary because I know people get very angry in divorce and it's very hard to know from the outside.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Alex Berenson]

Any one case,

[Buck Sexton]

Alex Baron said, oh, do you have one more clay?

[Clay Travis]

I was gonna, I was just gonna say, where can we get this? Where can, where can everybody get this if they're interested?

[Alex Berenson]

So you can order against the fatherhood manifesto right now. It's on Amazon. There's ebooks, the Kindle, you can get it on Apple, you can get it Barnes and Noble. But if you order today on Amazon, you'll still get it in time for Father's Day. And I, you know, I, I think, I just hope we, I hope we admit more than one day a year that dads are important. I really do.

[Buck Sexton]

Alex, one quick thing. What is one of the 50 tips that's kind of unique to you? Like, be there as a dad, super important. That's not a unique, that wouldn't be a unique. Baron Sinism.

[Alex Berenson]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not saying that's in there, but, you know, so what would be one?

[Alex Berenson]

I. Here's, here's one. I think that that may come as a surprise to people. I think it's. If you have the proper relationship with your children, you can let them make fun of you, even make fun of you sort of pretty aggressively. And the reason for that, as I say in this is you are, you're sort of the, you're the king and they're the jesters. Okay? You're the, you're Tom Brady and they're Chris Rock. You, you are in charge. So they are making fun of you and, you know, and, and kind of, and kind of having a little joke at your expense, but everybody knows who's really in charge. So I think that's actually a good, healthy thing to have happen in your house. And when it happens, it can show you that the structure is there.

[Buck Sexton]

Alex Berenson, everybody. Go check out the book. Alex, more great stuff from you. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you.

[Alex Berenson]

Thanks for having me.

[Clay Travis]

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Welcome back in Father's Day two days away. I do think that conversation is big culturally and I was just looking every time we talk about dads and and I think Alex said it. I do not know enough about the way that family law is structured and fortunately I have never had to be involved in any family law related aspects of the court. But the number of dads of all different backgrounds that tell me if you ever get involved in a custody battle, if you are ever involved in divorce or figuring out what alimony is going to look like or what child support is going to look like, that much of it is broken and still designed as if we lived in the 1950s. And so I do think there's probably worthy for some of you out there that want to do deep dives. I do think there's a story to be told there. But big picture buck, culturally, the idea that dads don't matter I think has to be pushed back aggressively. And it isn't an insult to to single mothers to say that dads matter a great deal. And I feel like a lot of times they're put at loggerheads and there's a unwillingness to talk about dads for fear of upsetting single moms.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, without dads, civilization is not possible. Without dads, who is there to deal with the wolf pack that is circling in the woods around the cabin? You know, without dads we don't have the rough and ready men on the wall so that we can sleep soundly at night. And that should be reflected in our culture, that should be reflected in our conversation. And in no way is that a put down of women. That is just crazy.

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