Hour 2 - Tim Walz Steps Down

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - Tim Walz Steps Down
Date: January 5, 2026
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: Clay Travis, Buck Sexton

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Main Theme / Episode Overview

This hour centers on two major stories:

1. The fallout from the recent U.S. operation in Venezuela, including the arrest of Nicolás Maduro and its wider foreign policy implications.
2. The shock resignation of Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, following exposure of massive welfare fraud involving Somali-run daycare centers, revealed by a 23-year-old YouTuber.

Clay and Buck break down the impact, controversies, and political spin surrounding both stories, injecting their trademark mix of sharp analysis, cultural criticism, and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Donroe Doctrine" and Venezuela (02:04 – 16:25)

U.S. Policy in the Western Hemisphere

• Clay introduces a “Donroe Doctrine”—a play on the historic Monroe Doctrine—arguing the Trump administration is reasserting dominance in the Western hemisphere to block Russia, China, and Iran from gaining influence (03:30).
  • “If you are a neighbor of the United States, we are going to dominate the Western Hemisphere. We’re not going to allow China and Russia…in our arena.” – Clay Travis (03:48)
• Contrasts the Venezuela situation with Iraq, highlighting fewer ethnic/religious complexities and proximity to the U.S. (03:10).

Legality and Morality of the Venezuela Raid

• Buck fiercely questions the “international law” objections, noting the U.S. (under both Biden and Trump) treated Maduro as a narco-terrorist, not a legitimate head of state:
  • “If Maduro is a legitimate guy who has the international law defense to raise, why did the Biden administration have a $25 million bounty on him?” – Buck Sexton (04:55)
• Both hosts argue the raid counters threats from “narco-terrorists” and sends a strong message reminiscent of past U.S. actions against figures like Pablo Escobar (06:45).

Trump’s Foreign Policy and Media Backlash

• Clay pushes back against habitual critics of Trump who predict disaster at every military action:
  • “Has the catastrophe ever actually occurred when he killed Soleimani? …The same people would have told you it’s impossible to do what we just did [in Venezuela]…Guess what? They're wrong about almost everything.” – Clay Travis (10:20)
• Detailed praise for the Trump national security team and operational secrecy, contrasting the current staff’s discipline with the leaks and chaos associated with Trump’s first term (11:00).

Media Criticism and the Rubio Clip

• Buck plays and mocks Margaret Brennan’s questioning of the operation for not capturing “all” Maduro regime members in one raid, calling her criticism “absurd” and “dumb” (13:58–15:10).
  • “It would be like…asking the guy who just won the Super Bowl…‘Why didn’t you throw eight touchdowns?’” – Clay Travis (15:08)

Why Leave the Venezuelan VP?

• Clay reveals that the Trump team left the VP in place due to her central role in oil production, believing she would “play ball” with U.S. interests—and with an implicit threat she’d be next if not (23:31).
  • “They think that she is going to play ball…They have sent the message if she will not, they will take her out.” – Clay Travis (24:10)

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2. Tim Walz Steps Down After Somali Daycare Fraud Scandal (23:24 – 38:08)

The Fraud Exposure

• Clay recounts how 23-year-old Nick Shirley’s viral YouTube exposé on Somali daycare welfare fraud in Minneapolis (over 100 million views) directly led to Gov. Tim Walz announcing he won’t seek reelection (23:24, 27:08).

The Mechanics of the Fraud

• Buck explains the scam, describing “empty storefront” daycare centers listed as having hundreds of kids, but in fact non-existent or obviously fraudulent (26:16):
  • “It’s just like a mailbox LLC address situation. Or…the Somali Leering Center—not a learning center, a leaning center. They did not have learning spelled correctly.” – Buck Sexton (26:38)
• Clay emphasizes the scale: “They're paying, making millions of dollars…if you haven't checked this out…it's glaring.” (27:15)

Reaction from Somali Daycare Operators

• Clip from Somali daycare manager expressing shock, blaming “false claims” for the negative attention, and describing theft of records after the scandal broke (28:14).
  • “We have high quality daycares…This is also sad that one individual who made a false claim about fraud…engaged everyone else to come and do this to us.” – Somali Daycare Manager (28:58)

Tim Walz’s Response

• Walz blames “conspiracy theorist right wing YouTubers” and the President’s supposed attacks on the Somali community, while refusing to take questions at his resignation press conference (31:15–33:56).
  • “We've got conspiracy theorist right wing YouTubers breaking into our daycares demanding access to our children…It's disgusting and it's dangerous.” – Tim Walz (31:15)

Hosts’ Commentary and Critique

• Buck and Clay ridicule the “conspiracy theory” defense, noting nearly 100 people already indicted for the fraud and that federal estimates suggest $9 billion of $18 billion may have been stolen (34:41).
  • “You know how we know it’s all true? He’s calling it a conspiracy theory. That is the kiss of death right there.” – Buck Sexton (32:19)
  • “If people started making up total lies about me, the last thing I’m going to do is have a press conference and announce I’m retiring because all the lies are so significant.” – Clay Travis (32:32)
• Buck adds the fraud was so notorious that even out-of-state fraudsters came to Minneapolis for easy money (35:00).

Bigger Picture: Childcare and Welfare Policy

• Clay and Buck question the rationale of taxpayers funding childcare for welfare recipients, suggesting the structure itself incentivizes fraud (36:10).
  • “You create the fraud opportunity by very existence of this program in the first place.” – Clay Travis (36:15)
• Buck discusses cultural attitudes toward fraud in some countries and the implications for U.S. immigration and integration policies (36:55).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On U.S. Western Hemisphere Policy:
  “If you are a neighbor of the United States, we are going to dominate the Western hemisphere.”
  – Clay Travis (03:48)

• On Treating Maduro as a Narco-Terrorist:
  “If Maduro is a legitimate guy…why did the Biden administration have a $25 million bounty on him?”
  – Buck Sexton (04:55)

• On Critics Catastrophizing Trump Foreign Policy:
  “When we struck Iran’s nuclear capabilities, there was no sudden upsurge of danger…They’re wrong about almost everything.”
  – Clay Travis (10:20)

• On Margaret Brennan’s Criticism:
  “She could be doing Wheel of Fortune. Instead she’s doing this political show.”
  – Buck Sexton (13:30)

• On Somali Daycare Fraud:
  “It’s just like a mailbox LLC address situation…in one case famously…the Somali Leering Center—not a learning center, a leaning center.”
  – Buck Sexton (26:38)

• On the Exposure’s Impact:
  “A 23 year old You Tube kid can go out and basically end the political career of Tim Walsh.”
  – Clay Travis (34:41)

• On the "Conspiracy Theory" Defense:
  “You know how we know it’s all true? He’s calling it a conspiracy theory.”
  – Buck Sexton (32:19)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Venezuela Policy, Donroe Doctrine, Monroe Doctrine: 02:04–06:45
• Legality of U.S. Action, Trump Foreign Policy: 04:48–12:15
• Media Critique (Margaret Brennan), Raid Details: 13:30–16:25
• Walz & Somali Daycare Fraud Story Intro: 23:24–29:22
• Tim Walz Response, Hosts' Critique: 31:15–36:15
• Welfare Policy and Broader Implications: 36:55–38:08

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Tone and Style

Energetic, unsparing, and occasionally snarky. Both hosts blend detailed policy analysis with pop-culture analogies, direct attacks on liberal critics, and an ongoing focus on media hypocrisy.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This hour provides a comprehensive, often scathing look at two breaking stories: the geo-strategic stakes of the Venezuela raid, and the political earthquake set off by grassroots investigative journalism uncovering massive welfare fraud in Minnesota. The discussion is fast-paced, pointed, and laced with memorable analogies and direct challenges to establishment narratives.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

That's odoo.com welcome back in hour number two. Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We are tracking a ton of big stories in New York City. Maduro and his wife both pled not guilty to all of the charges that have been levied against them. Just updating you on the latest there, Tim Walls. We haven't barely even talked about this. We'll get into it as well. Pretty Big news. Ordinarily that would be the biggest story of the day. Tim walls, after a 23 year old YouTuber exposed in earnest the extent of Somali fraud taking place in the state of Minnesota, has announced that he is no longer running for reelection as governor. We got Mamdani sworn in as New York City's mayor and already doing and saying crazy things. But as we went to break, Buck, we were talking about the so called Donro Doctrine. For those of you out there that are maybe American history nerds or at least remember the study of the era of the Monroe Doctrine, uh, this is a modern evolution of that era. And this is why to me, Buck, there are a lot of people out there that are saying ok, and we discussed it a little bit in the first hour. How is this Venezuela situation different than Iraq? You talked about quite clearly the religious component related to Sunni, Shia, all of those complexities in Iraq, not to mention the Kurds. There was the suggestion that maybe Iraq should be broken up into three different countries. For those people who remember, Venezuela doesn't have those same complexities. And it's also unlike Iraq actually in the Western hemisphere. And what seems quite clear here is Trump has sent a message, and this is why I think Cuba is implicated too, that if you are a neighbor of the United States, we are going to dominate the Western hemisphere. We're not going to allow China and Russia to elbow in and try to have a foot in our, in our arena. And actually this is just a actual statement that is reinforcing the Monroe Doctrine which was a staple of 19th century American policy as it pertained to America having control of not only America but all of the areas and neighbors surrounding America.

[Buck Sexton]

It turns out that US Law is something that is real because it can be enforced. Whereas the international law that so many people who are opposing this are citing as some catch all. I think a lot of people Clay, who don't like Trump, just their go to when they don't know what else to say when he does anything related to foreign policy is it's a violation of international law. They don't even know what international law is supposed to be. Never mind what the reality of it is. Because Maduro under, I mean what think about what the alternative is. First of all, we have a $25 million bounty on his head. If Maduro is a legitimate, legitimate guy who has the, the international law defense to raise, why did the Biden administration had a $25 million bounty on him? Someone explain, someone explain that one to me. If we put a $25 million bounty on, you know, the Chancellor of Germany. People would ask a lot of. Well, they'd be like, whoa, whoa, hold on a second. Like, what are you guys doing here? Right, but we did it at Maduro under the Biden administration, and everyone said, yeah, that sounds about right. The guy's a scumbag narco terrorist who doesn have a legitimate election to rest on, and he's violating US Law on a regular basis. If Maduro were sending in people to commit sabotage on a regular basis, like to sabotage our electrical grid, everybody would say, well, we got to stop that. And if he's the guy giving those orders, of course, whatever we got to do, we have to defend America. America first means American security first. Clay. He was sending people into our area of operations and in some cases, even to US Shores who were selling drugs on our streets, enriching the regime. Why would he be able. Why should he be able to continue that behavior? Oh, of course he shouldn't. The same. The same way that Pablo Escobar wasn't allowed to continue that behavior. Just because he claims to be an elected. An elected leader doesn't give him any immunity from that. So this is where I think the whole international law thing is just. It's farcical that people are raising this as a. As an objection to what's gone on here.

[Clay Travis]

Well, first of all, even for the international law people out there, this is where labeling him as a global terrorist actually allows us to do this. This is why there was an indictment that was brought to bear, by the way, during the Biden regime. And to me, again, I. I look at this and say, and this is why, because some people say, well, whatever Trump does, you know, because there are the Trump derangement people. There's also a segment of the population that anything Trump does, people immediately get in line and defend it. That's not you or me. We were saying, hey, this is a strategic imperative on Venezuela. I know, on the show, because people were blowing back on me before we did it. I said, I think we should take Maduro out. And I'll be honest with you. I think we should take out Cuba's communist leadership, too. I'm just. I'm being honest, and I've thought this for a very, very long time. If we are concerned about what Iran or what Russia or what China are going to try to do in our hemisphere, then we should take away the fertile regions that they potentially could occupy and not allow them to do so. And I look at Venezuela as the American basically taking a protectorate stance with Venezuela and trying to allow that country to return to, as you pointed out, buck, the third wealthiest country in the Western hemisphere. Let's not allow Cuba, let's not allow Venezuela, let's not allow these countries to be overtaken by people who would do harm to the United States. And so I look at this and say it's just a no brainer.

[Buck Sexton]

And then the other thing is there are Venezuelans alive. Really? All Venezuelans who have been alive long enough saw the destruction of their country at the hands of these idiots?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

So this notion, like when people are comparing this to Iraq, it's just a dumb comparison, honestly. These are such wildly different scenarios in so many ways. You're also not going to have anyone calling for an anti American jihad. I mean, these things all matter. There's a difference here. There's not some sense of this as a perpetuation of America and Israel's imperialist wars in the Middle East. I know people say, what about Western imperialism in the Latin American hemisphere is pretty different than 1500, 1500 years of jihad.

[Clay Travis]

Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

There's, there's a lot here that's very different. So I don't think we have to spend a lot of time in the.

[Tim Walz]

Why?

[Buck Sexton]

This isn't the same thing. We're also not planning to do any reconstruction of Venezuela. All we're going to do is say, hey, we are going to buy oil. We're going to help the just by having the end of the sanctions regime. Think about this. You know who's going to emerge here for the Venezuelan people as the leadership? Well, if you want to play ball with America, you can put literally bread on the shelves. Ok? You can actually put the power back on. You can start to have a functional country again or you can continue to have people who are talking about Bolivarian revolution and how there's going to be a socialist paradise for everybody. They saw the socialist paradise and it was a nightmare.

[Clay Travis]

I also think many people out there should start to look at some of the people who are constantly catastrophizing when it comes to decisions that Trump is making and say, has the catastrophe ever actually occurred when he killed Soleimani? Remember when everybody said, oh, World War 3 is going to happen, didn't happen, actually sent a message to Iran. When we struck Iran's nuclear capabilities, there was no sudden upsurge of danger. In fact, that actually set the table for the Middle Eastern peace that we got in Gaza and hopefully a growing peace process that's going to spread across more of the Middle east with this Venezuela raid, all of the people would have told you, the same people who said World War three is going to happen if we bomb Iran, all of these people would have told you it's impossible to do what we just did. Oh, we're going to lose so many American lives. We're going to have to put so many boots on the ground. Guess what? They're wrong about almost everything. And I think you got to give a lot of credit to Pete Hegseth, Marco Rubio, JD Vance and Donald Trump, their decision making, and Stephen Miller. And we can run through a huge number of guys, Kane, General Kane, who were all involved in this, this process. They're actually running an incredibly lethal but very disciplined and very organized overall military on a level, frankly, that we haven't ever seen before. Buck, I. I think this is the best leadership team that we may have ever had in modern American life right now. When you look at their execution and their ability, not a lot of talk about this, no leaks, nobody getting fired. I mean, the whole Trump 2.0 first year, it's very, very different than 1.0. I think Trump learned a lot.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, if you want to hear what the opposition to this looks like, I mean, there are some foreign policy blowhards out there who are just, you know. Well, we haven't learned the lessons of. Well, those are the same people that said World War three was going to happen when we bombed Iran. I would just add, these are the same people who actually have nothing of any consequence or utility to say about Ukraine, I might add. Now that Trump's in charge, how do we end this thing? Oh, they don't know. Ok, well, then what are you saying exactly? There's a lot of that going on. There's a lot of people who are flapping their gums on these issues, who have a history of being very wrong. And then there are the people that just know instinctually their job. This is true of Democrats in elected office. It is true of the Democrat media. They know, Clay, that their job is just to oppose whatever Trump does is bad. Trump has helped establish a cure for cancer. Cancer was really important for limiting population growth. Don't you know that climate change is, you know, gonna make the future so bleak for whatever. Right. They'll come up with some way Trump cures cancer. Cancer, all of a sudden has some upside. Here is a version of that with Margaret Brennan, who, honestly, I think is just pretty dumb. And there's no.

[Clay Travis]

I really.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean that. I don't. I just don't think she's Very smart. You know, she gets very emotional on the air, so I thought maybe it was that. But now I actually just think she's pretty much an imbecile. Doesn't understand how the world works. And her job is to be like a presenter. You know, she could. She could be doing Wheel of Fortune. Instead she's doing this political show. Here she is with Marco Rubio. Clay. Her big criticism is, why didn't you do this raid and get all of the Maduro regime people out Play six.

[Clay Travis]

I'm confused.

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[Clay Travis]

If you are taking out the narco terrorist regiment, you're confused.

[David Rutherford]

I don't know why that's confusing to you.

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They're still in power.

[David Rutherford]

We got the top priority. The number one person on the list was the guy who claimed to be the president of the country. That he was not. And he was arrested along with his wife, who was also indicted. And that was a pretty sophisticated and, frankly, complicated operation.

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It was.

[David Rutherford]

It is not easy to land helicopters in the middle of the largest military base in the country. The guy lived on a military base. Land within three minutes, kick down his door, grab him, put him in handcuffs, read him his rights, put him in a helicopter and leave the country without losing any American or any American assets. That's not an easy mission. And you're asking me, why didn't we do that in five other places at the same time? I mean, that's absurd.

[Clay Travis]

It is.

[Buck Sexton]

It is. Absurd is the only word that really makes sense here, Clay. She's saying, okay, so you did this. Amazing. It would be like telling Clay, I'll bring this into your world. It would be like asking the guy who just won the super bowl who's the QB and just threw four touchdowns. Why didn't you guys get the number one draft pick for next season? Two. Like, what are you saying?

[Clay Travis]

Or why didn't you throw eight touchdowns?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Four touchdowns. Pretty good game. And eight touchdowns is almost impossible to do. I would also add. Cause I do hear that Margaret Brennan, I have to say. I mean, Marco Rubio dunks on her every single time he goes on. And you can actually see, even though you're not seeing him, you can see the exasperation in his voice where he's just like, you are a moron. Like, that's.

[Buck Sexton]

She asked. They just pulled off. And every. Even Democrat, you'll notice the smarter Democrats are not saying a word about the tactical proficiency. Because this. Because if you know anything, we could have had Multiple helicopters shot out of the sky. We could have lost, you know, 2040 Delta operator. I mean, this could have been a catastrophe. If things had gone wrong.

[Clay Travis]

They could have been. It's a risk. Captured, right?

[Buck Sexton]

We could have been captured. Like we could have. We could have Delta. We could have Delta guys, you know, being put on video right now in handcuffed, any number of things could have happened. The proficiency, the skill here was incredible. And so her response is, why didn't you do five more incredible, amazing missions that everybody should be celebrating? Like, I don't know, how much dumber can she be? It's a good question to ask.

[Clay Travis]

I'll answer, by the way, Margaret Brennan's question in a way that I think Marco Rubio doesn't want to say publicly. Why did we leave the VP there? I'll tell you why I think that happened when we come back. Because there's actually pretty strong evidence for people out there who say, like Margaret Brennan, ok, why didn't we actually wipe out the entire Maduro regime? I think that's a fair question, but not articulated in a very intelligent way by Margaret Brennan. But I'll answer it for you when we come back. In the meantime, beginning of a new year restart for many, including new financial goals you might set for yourself. If owning gold is one of those, rely on our partners at Birch Gold Group. You're going to like working with these people. They don't pressure you. They've got a great educational approach and a solid understanding of the economy. They see economic forces pushing our dollar lower and the value of gold higher. You know, gold went up 60% last year alone until January 30th. If you're a first time gold buyer, Birch Gold is offering a rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility, start the process. Put gold into your overall into your overall portfolio. Go to text my Name Clay to 9898 98. Birch Gold can help you roll an existing IRA or a 401K into an IRA in gold. You're still eligible for that rebate of up to ten grand. Make this month your first time buying gold. Take advantage of a rebate. Put gold in your portfolio and take advantage of its record rise into 2026. One more time. Just learn about it. Text Clay to 98. 98 98. That's Clay. Clay to 9898 98. Stories of Freedom. Stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day. Spend time with Clay and buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, do.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Clay, I I We've talked a lot about this big move in Venezuela and it's a huge win for the Trump administration. We're also going to spend some time with our friend David Rutherford, former Navy SEAL and podcast host on the Clay and Buck Network third hour. Just to give us some of the tactical breakdown of this and what it's like to, because he's done this before, just do the training over and over, hours and hours on end for moving through a building with extreme tactical proficiency as an operator. So he'll talk to us a bit about that because they, they went into Maduro's residence, they got him, they got his wife before they could even get to.

[Clay Travis]

They had a safe room built out.

[Buck Sexton]

A steel safe room they thought they'd be able to hide in, call for reinforcements. They got them so quickly, think about this. They got into the house, armed guards everywhere. Delta took them all out and was able to get to them before they could get to their adjacent sa. I mean this is like getting Maduro before he could put his pants on and get into the bathroom or something. I mean this is crazy. They move fast here, Clay. So we'll talk about that tactical proficiency. But I, I also, this Tim Waltz Somali Minnesota situation, this is a big deal because the billions and billions of dollars that have been stolen in the most blatant way by overwhelmingly Somali immigrants in Minneapolis has got everyone looking at this. Tim Wall stepping down from reelection. Clay, in this moment seems to be a recognition that the writing is on the wall and this guy's political future is done. Or is it what we call a tease in the business? Looking to upgrade the way you connect, listen and communicate with your family and friends. Rapid Radios makes that possible. Owning a pair of Rapid Radios gives you cutting edge audio and a real communication solution. For a limited time, enjoy. Up to 60% off their most popular radios. Put a picture in your mind. These are modern day walkie talkies, okay? Rapid Radios designed to keep you connected wherever life takes you, on the road, in the wild at work, not to mention keeping you in touch with family members all along the way. With no contracts and a whole year of service included, now is the perfect moment to experience why Rapid Radios are trusted by hundreds of thousands of customers and backed by over 15,000 five star reviews across the nation. Go to Rapidradios.com today and discover exclusive deals that won't last long. Elevate your connection, your experience. Rapid Radios communication redefined.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show the Donroe doctrine in a place as Venezuela's leader, Maduro has pled not guilty in a New York City courtroom. In the third hour we'll be talking with David Rutherford about the Delta Force raid and comparing it to the bin Laden raid and more details surrounding it. But there's another big story that is going on and that is this. Tim Walls has announced that he will not be running for reelection as governor of Minnesot, Minnesota. Comes on the heels of a 23 year old YouTuber named Nick Shirley, who we probably ali should reach out to and try to get on at some point in the near future to talk about his mega viral investigation of Somali daycares, which uncovered pretty substantial evidence of huge fraud. Got over, I believe, on Twitter by itself, over 100 million views. If you are on social media, there probably is a very high chance that you have seen that video. And in the wake of that, Tim Walls has now stepped down. That just happened today. News started to come out last night that he potentially was going to be dropping out. Let me go to that in a sec. But Bucket just. Also, I just realized, I teased at the end of the first segment, why did we leave the vp? Let me answer that really quickly. The word is that the VP in Venezuela was responsible for all of the oil production and that the Trump team had been very impressed with her ability, even in the midst of all the crazy sanctions, to have success in being able to produce the oil that was produced. And so, based on backchannel conversations, it seems like the Trump team is convinced that she, because she still has the relationships with the military and everything else, will play ball, but be able to accelerate oil production in a way that Maduro was not willing to. So I think there's been a lot of back channel going on between Marco Rubio, other members of the Trump team, and the vice president who now has been elevated to Venezuela. They think that she is going to play ball. They have sent the message if she will not, they will take her out. So that is the answer to the question that Margaret Brennan asked. Okay, back to what's going on with Tim Wall stepping down. Here are a couple of cuts. First of all, let's play the Somali daycare manager saying his business was broken into and all of his, all of his records were stolen.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, can we, before we play, can I just. The videos, in case you haven't seen them, and I know you've seen them, Clay and I have. But this guy goes around and he goes to places that are listed as having a hundred kids in Minneapolis, 150 kids, and the state of mini state of Minnesota has given millions of dollars in many cases to these places to take care of these kids. Well, what they find is it's an empty storefront. What they find is that there are no kids at this place at all. It's just like a. A mailbox LLC address situation. Or in one case famously, it was listed as the Somali Leaning Center. Not a learning center. A leaning center. It was missing the R on the sign. So I don't think a lot of great daycare instruction is going on at the leaning center.

[Clay Travis]

Leering center, it's even worse.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The learning center. I got the wrong letter.

[Clay Travis]

A leading center. It used to be like, oh, at least that's a word. Leering. L, E, A, R, I, N, G. They did not have learning spelled correctly. They're paying, making millions of dollars. So if you haven't checked this out, what? That's a good question. What percentage of this radio audience do you think has seen those clips? And again, if you're on social media, it's a hundred percent. But I bet this audience, maybe 40% of people are super active on social media. That might even be too high. So we will Link this on clayandbuck.com if per chance you have not seen it. Now, they played it on Fox News a lot, all of those things. But let's play. This is one of the guys saying, this is a Somali daycare manager saying, hey, the business was broken into. We don't have any records anymore. All of this is the underlying motivation for why suddenly Tim Walls, his political career appears to be over. Cut 31.

[Somali Daycare Manager]

Unfortunately, we saw that there was important documentation, enrollment of the children and also employee documentation that was gone. There were also checkbooks that were ripped from our check papers that were from our book. This is devastating news and we don't know why this is targeting our Somali community as one video made by a specific individual made this all happen. We've been receiving hateful messages through our voice notes threatening us since the past couple of days, including one that happened yesterday morning when the break in, after the break in. This is frightening and exhausting because this is happening to us Somali communities. As Somali Americans, we are supposed to stand with each other and help each other through everything that's happening. This is also sad that a video can cause all of this. I want to say that there are hundreds of daycares out there, Somali daycares that are out there. And we all help each our children and everyone in our community. We have high quality daycares. And this is very sad news that one individual who made a false claim about fraud that is happening in daycares. How Engaged everyone else to come and do this to us.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, so, so they brought. Just so everyone's clear, fraud has been. And there is tremendous fraud. Just this is, there's lots of fraud. There's billions of dollars. Because, you know, this is the real. When Tim Walls is under all this fire and now he's saying he's not running again, this stuff is all connected. The more you look at this, the more you're going to find it's, it's even worse than people had thought previously. But Clay, this guy is claiming that they broke in and stole the documentation that you would need to, you know, prove that you had students enrolled or where the money went. He's like, they stole our checkbook. Really, a lot of really advanced burglars are breaking into daycare centers to check on their employment records and their enrollees. I don't think so.

[Clay Travis]

I also, big picture, we should have a conversation about this the top of the next hour because I do think this is significant. Why in the world is the taxpayer being forced to pay for childcare for people who are on welfare in this country? I think it's a really. Everybody's going to focus on the fraud and the fraud is real and it is, it's glaring and it shouldn't be allowed to happen. But the process that was put in place where we even created this idea that taxpayer dollars should be going to fund people who are on welfare, child care, I mean, you create the fraud opportunity by very existence of this program in the first place. Now Tim Walls has announced that basically his political career is over. Here he is saying that that YouTuber cut 30 is a conspiracy theorist right winger. Well, if that's all true, why isn't he still running for re election? Cut 30.

[Tim Walz]

We've got Republicans here in the state legislature playing hide and seek with potential whistleblowers. We've got conspiracy theorist right wing youtubers breaking into our daycares demanding access to our children. We've got the President of the United States demonizing our Somali neighbors and wrongfully confiscating funds that Minnesotans rely on. It's disgusting and it's dangerous. Republicans are playing politics with the future of the state. It's shameful and I've said it before and I will continue to say it. We welcome ideas from anyone in any party, from any walk of life who wants to help us continue to stay ahead of these criminals. And we welcome the involvement of the federal government. I am grateful to the career professionals at the U.S. attorney's office and the FBI who have been helping us fight this fight for years. But I cannot abide the actions of the political leadership in Washington. These opportunists are willing to hurt our people.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, you know how, you know how we know it's all true?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

He's calling it a conspiracy theory. That is the kiss of death right there that, you know, if, if a Democrat says when they're under. Under the heat on something, it's a conspiracy theory, you got him cornered.

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[Clay Travis]

It's both true that the conspiracy theory is true. Also the fact that he's ending his political career, pretty good sign that it's true. I mean, I don't know about you. If people started making up total lies about me, the last thing I'm going to do is suddenly have a press conference and announce that I'm retiring because all the lies are so significant that I can't deal with them anymore. I'm going to fight like hell to win in the marketplace of ideas and prove that the people who are telling lies about me are wrong. This is also a good sign that he's running scared. They told all the press that showed up for this announcement that he's not going to be running for reelection, that he was going to be taking questions. He did not take a single question. Think about how many questions Trump takes at just about every public event that he does. He's answering questions from media every single day on every topic under the sun. Listen to the media in Minnesota lose it as Tim Walls refuses to take questions and bails on this press conference. Cut 32.

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[Tim Walz]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you all.

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[Clay Travis]

All right. So you can kind of hear that it's a little bit messy, but even the press that has been covering for Tim Walls, even they were saying, why are you not answering questions? You know what this is starting to reflect, Buck? The press is fine. The left wing legacy media. We've talked about this a lot. They'll cover for you until covering for you becomes embarrassing for them. Yes, they start to look bad now in Minnesota. They're looking bad because of all of these lies that they've been covering for. And again, I think this is just indicative, Buck, of the era that we're in now where a 23 year old YouTube kid can go out and basically end the political career of Tim Walsh.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, but look, look at also what Tim Wall said there doesn't stack up to even a cursory review of the facts on record. They've got almost a hundred people indicted for this already. And they're just getting started. So you have federal criminal defendants that he said, oh, I'm glad. The U.S. attorney and the career people.

[Clay Travis]

OK.

[Buck Sexton]

They're racking up indictments of Somali fraudsters all over Minneapolis for this. The estimate from sources inside the Minnesota government is that of the $18 billion for these programs, 9 billion might have been fraudulent, which is close to the entire gdp, as people have pointed out of the country of Somalia. So this is not to call this a conspiracy theory is absurd, which is why, you know, that it's all true. Because that now they're just trying to smear. Oh, it's a conspiracy. This is just delay. This is smokescreen. This is nonsense. Clay, one of the defendants, I thought this is really one of the defendants already indicted on this exact fraud, came from Philadelphia, set up shop in Minneapolis because it was such a free for all and it was so easy to do. So this was like entrepreneurial fraudsters were showing up in Minneapolis from elsewhere in the country going, I want some of that free Somali daycare money.

[Clay Travis]

It was well known too, there is video of parents showing up, pretending to drop their kids off, and then also out there of them demanding kickbacks. They demanded that some of the money come back to them. This is just widely known. And again, big question, Buck, you got a one year old, soon to be one year old. I nine months. I've raised kids. Child care is incredibly expensive. It why are taxpayer dollars being used to subsidize child care when so many moms and grandmas out there and dads and granddads are showing up and giving of their time to help provide child care and they're getting no tax benefit for that at all. We got to really look at the way that we handle child care in this country. I mean, in a large discussion that's.

[Buck Sexton]

A much bigger and very worthwhile, but a much bigger discussion about what is going on in this country with the whole child care situation, the two income trap, all these things. I would just add though, with the Somali situation and what you're seeing is this is true in a lot of Muslim Middle Eastern countries, particularly of the poorer ones, like Yemen, Somalia. I know Somalia's in Africa, but it's very close to Yemen actually. And there's a lot of similarity, a lot of back and forth between the countries. Point is ripping off people like this, it's considered ridiculous to not do this in these countries. This is what people have to understand when we're talking about importing other cultures and the problems of these other cultures, if you come from Somalia, generally speaking, and as I said, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is like a personal hero of mine. She's a Somali refugee. She's incredible. She's brilliant. Speaks out against Islam. I'm not, not indicting all Somalis here, but as a broad cultural issue, ripping off the government in a place like Somalia or just ripping off somebody that you can easily get away with is considered the smart thing to do. There's, there's no, there's no reason to morally cringe at this.

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[Buck Sexton]

You rip people off when you can.

[Clay Travis]

This is why the whole warlord mindset, this is why Western civilization is in conflict. Because actually having a recognition and willingness to believe a larger society, right. The best interest of a community as a whole. Much of the rest of the world doesn't believe in that. And they come here and they see the generosity of the Minnesotans who are paying all of these taxes and our federal taxpayer dollars, and they see it as a weakness that can be exploited. And they're taking advantage of so many of you out there that are busting your asses to pay taxes, and they're just putting the money right in their pocket. And to your point, Buck, the fraud is as big as the entire GDP of all of Somalia. So is it? 75% of Somal Somali people in the United States are on welfare. Why are we taking anybody into this country at all who immediately goes on to welfare? It's absolutely indefensible. We all stockpile family keepsakes in our homes. Priceless photos, home movies on video, graduation announcements, diplomas. Every item that means too much to just throw away. You store them because you know the valuable memories associated with them. It's only when you do something with those tapes and film, when you digitally transfer what's on them, the magic of rediscovering those memories happens. You need Legacy Box. Legacy Box. The company makes it easy to check an important task off your to do list. Order a shipping box from Legacy Box. Fill up the tapes, film reels, pictures, all of your cherished family memories. And they will help ensure that those great family memories are preserved forever as a part of digital files. You can get hooked up right now at the end of the year as we move into 2026, they've got a brand new phenomenal [e-mail] Clay for 55% off. When you preserve your family's past with Legacy Box, kick off the new year by rescuing your family's most cherished memories that haven't been watched or enjoyed in years. Go to legacybox.com clay that website one more time. Legacybox.com clay for 55 off that's a legacybox.com clay two guys walk up to a mic. Anything goes. Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, we got a quick turnaround here. Let's get to a quick call. We have Dimitri in Houston. Dimitri, fire away. Happy New Year.

[Clay Travis]

Very quick. I want to try 1 1/2 minute.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

First seizure of property, copyrights, mineral rights, imprisonment. No one talks about the political prisoners in Venezuela. What would this new VP will do for all those land that was confiscated from Chevron and other companies? Just like in Cuba. Does anybody talks about the lack of rights for women, LGBTQ Internet access?

[Buck Sexton]

We'll talk about it all. We'll get to it. Thanks for calling in, my friend. More coming up.

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