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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
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Asma Khalid
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Welcome in second hour of the program, Friday Edition. It has been a heck of a draining, emotional week for so many of us across the nation. So many of you want to weigh in. And so for the next couple of hours, legitimately full open forums, talk backs calls, we are going to get as many of you in as we can as we roll into the weekend. Point worth discussing. And I was just joking about this off air because I do think we need a little bit of levity in what has been a very dark week. President Trump woke up this morning after going to the Yankee game last night and just rode his motorcade over to the fox Studios on 6th Avenue and sat down on the Fox and Friends couch and did an hour of live unscripted television on all subjects under the sun, including announcing that we had the, the assassin of Charlie Kirk in custody. And we just came from a president that basically could never do any media availabilities on any subject. And Trump just rolled in, sat down on the couch, a couch that I've sat on and guest hosted Fox and Friends on the weekend and did an hour straight of unscripted television, Buck. And it wasn't very long ago, about 10 days ago, that everybody decided because he took a weekend off from doing media, that he was actually dead. And so I do think a big part of this larger discussion needs to be how many people out there consume audience, consume media that is consistently wrong about everything. And yet they keep going back to it over and over and over again in desperate demand for at some point their fever dreams of delusion to be certified. And I do think that factors in here. And one thing, Buck, as we get ready to take, as we get ready to take some calls here and, and take some of your talk backs, I want all of you to think about this. Buck has got a book out. Honestly, these are both very timely books where he tries to get into tell.
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Buck Sexton
Us the name Manufacturing Delusion, how the left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you. I just wanted to be manufacturing delusion, but subtitles apparently are helpful.
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Clay Travis
And my book, that's a very august title. My book is called Balls and it's about how Trump young men and, and sports fans saved America. Ok. But I do think that these are two different sides of the same coin, much like this assassin is. If you compare his life to Charlie Kirk's. And let me. Let me just kind of run through a little bit here. I feel immense sadness for so many young men in America because they're. For much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there was a consistent expectation for men. You got married, you busted your ass in a job, you had a job to try to take care of your family and provide a better life for them going forward.
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Buck Sexton
You might have to go to war.
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Clay Travis
If you look generationally, you may have to go fight to get killed. We had an experience and expectation of manhood that was universally accepted across the political spectrum. Whatever. Whatever you think in 1945, a Democrat and a Republican represented, by and large, there was an understanding of what manhood was and what it represented. I think so many young men, in the wake of the MeToo and in the toxic universe of this woke culture that has tried to say manhood itself is toxic. The absence and continued decline of religion, which helped to frankly, allow the foundational elements of the family, the nuclear family, manhood. I think there is a desperate yearning for meaning. And I think Charlie Kirk found it. Whatever you think about him, I think he found a foundational, core tenet of life that led him in a productive way to get married, to have two kids, to try to communicate to these lost young men a pathway to what he thought would be a better life for them.
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Buck Sexton
Well, one thing that. Sorry, yes, one thing I was going to say, Clay, that is so important when you look at the competing narratives here about Charlie, there's our narrative, which is rooted in reality of a man who did it the right way, was an inspiration, was kind, reliable, a father, all the things that we have said, so you know how we feel about Charlie. But what you'll hear from a lot of people on the left who, of course, don't know Charlie, and this is always another thing. You know, I know this a little bit of a digression. I know a lot of people in media on the right, and I know a lot of people are meeting the left and the people on the right are almost always better people. I'm just telling you the truth, okay? I mean, as people, I'm not talking about their talent, I'm not talking about their paycheck or, you know, their ratings or whatever, but, you know, as humans, you. You know, I was going to tell you, you. You listen to. To this radio show, you listen to some of our peers and radio and some of the people that. I won't name them, you know, they are, if they were your neighbor you'd be blessed if you had to leave your kids with them. You'd, you'd know that, you know, because you had an emergency, you'd know that they'd be fine. You know, you'd, they'd probably get a home cooked meal by the time you got home. Like, they're good people, okay? They're at their core good people. There are a lot of leftists who are truly lost and nasty human beings, I'll just put it that way. A lot of leftists. And it's true of the politicians as well. And you see this and you're aware of this perception. There is a difference in the view of life. But Clay, we know who Charlie was. They keep saying Charlie. The other side says that he was put, including unfortunately, this horrific assassin that Charlie was spewing hate speech. But what you see actually when you look at what Charlie said and beyond that, look at how his followers act, they act with love and within the law and with consideration and with kindness. And yet the people that think on the other side that they're doing some great favor to society by being violent, not just in this incident, but in many incidents like it, Antifa and all these others, they think that they are stopping hate speech. And they never stop to think that they're the hateful ones, that they are the ones who are saying, your words upset me so I will attack you, I will punch you, I will even kill you. Who's the one spreading hate? What, what is the hate that Charlie spreads? And by the way, I would, I would just add a lot of this comes back to the trans stuff. That's really where if you push somebody who says that, that the right is spewing hate speech. Clay, it's overwhelmingly just a version of saying you are erasing trans people. You are, you know, these things go, go together all the time. But I think that when you, if you're talking about hate, which is the side that is hateful, I think it couldn't be more clear.
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Clay Travis
100% agree with all of that. Charlie found his life purpose. He got married, he had kids. This 22 year old was looking for his life's purpose and he found his life's purpose to be killing Charlie.
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Caller
Kirk.
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Clay Travis
How does that happen? Your book is partly addressing it. I think it speaks to again, the 27 year law enforcement veteran dad had to turn his son that I would bet this dad poured his heart and soul into trying to raise as an uplifting, successful part of the community. I don't know very many parents who do Anything else. Now, you might fail and we might find out that there's something in the background of this kid that was not ideal that helped to put him on this awful path. But you have two young men. One finds his path and is trying to extend a hand to everyone else to say, hey, this path works for me. I think it could work for you too. And so many young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path for themselves as well. And then you have this 22 year old who by all intents and purposes appears buck to have been normal for much of his life. And he gets radicalized to such an extent somewhere that he's writing anti pro fascist and or anti fascist, anti fascist and anti anti Nazi comments on bullets that he uses to incredibly detailed plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk. How does that happen? How do they go? Again, pathways.
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Buck Sexton
And I. So in the book Clay, I get into these. I get into brainwashing, I get into a process called menticide, I get into Pavlovian conditioning, I get into isolation and how that is used as a tool in this, I get into fear as a tool, a tool of ideological coercion. Right. I mean, these are all different things. I mean, and again, the book's not even out till January. But it's just, this is what my. I've been looking at this because a lot of it was driven by Covid. But I get into the trans thing as well and how people who aren't trans themselves will threaten to kill people or will kill people even because they have the wrong idea about trans in, you know, quote unquote wrong idea that how does someone get to that point? You know, how is someone so deluded? And this is a huge problem in our society because these ideas can grow and can take root to the point where they can actually cause a societal upheaval. I mean, you saw this in the Russian Revolution into the Soviets, and you saw this in North Korea. And I get into some of this where actually the crazy ideas are the mandatory ideas. And the Democrat Party has had some instances where they have shown us this. Covid was one of the most. It was probably the most powerful instance of it. But also the same thing with men don't have an advantage over women in sports and other ideas like this. Right. You get into all of this, but it is a process of radicalization. And there is something that we have to look at here and understand much more, much more deeply and in a much more cohesive way. How do we get people off this path? It's a Little bit like getting them out of a cult. It's a little bit like removing them from an ideological ecosystem that is self reinforcing and actually deteriorating throughout that process. Because as you say this, what about this young man in his past, in his background would make you think that this would. But I've, I've gone through this, Clay, with people that were preparing to strap a suicide vest on and go into the New York City subway system or were planning to buy AK47s and grenades to go shoot up a, you know, a Jewish temple in one of the suburbs of New York. I mean, you know, this, these, these people are not leading up to this point. They aren't necessarily from abusive homes. They're not impoverished. You know, there hasn't been some. But the ideas and the idea loop grows. And there are those who are able to manipulate in this way. There are those who are able to manufacture these killers through this process. And we need to take this, I mean, we're already taking it seriously, but we need to understand that there's a tremendous urgency in this country to figure out how we handle this because it's going to keep happening and it does not have to happen. There are places where this does not happen. Our country is a place where this sort of thing is happening right now. And that means that there are underlying and foundational issues to be addressed. And I think that a big part of it is just holding, holding the Democrat Party and the Democrat aligned media accountable for what they say. When you call someone a fascist and you say, and you mean it, you are saying that person is a threat to everyone else, a threat to all that is good and violence against them is justified. China is a communist country. If I call someone a communist, am I saying we have to go, we have to go murder a billion Chinese people? No, of course not. It's referring to it as an ideology. But when you call someone a fascist, there's no fascist country out there right now. Clay, when you say fascist or Nazi, you are resurrecting something from the past to justify violence today.
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Clay Travis
Jasmine Crockett's building on this, just called Trump Hitler today again on Charlemagne, the God show. And I think when you specifically analogize Trump to Adolf Hitler, building on what you are saying, Buck, you are directly saying, go kill him. Because we have, I mean, this was kind of a silly debate that used to go on, but before the Trump.
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Buck Sexton
Baby baby Hitler and the morale kill.
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Clay Travis
Baby Hitler was kind of a ridiculous sit around the coffee table or while you're having a beer debate and when you call someone who is full grown Hitler, you are telling people, go kill him. Which is why you can't say that and then try to immediately condemn. I would have more respect for Democrats if, after they tried to kill Trump, if somebody had come out and said, I wish we had better aim, because at least it would be consistent in the way. You can't condemn violence after inciting it.
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Buck Sexton
We already know there are lines. If you just called every if as a. If as a group, right. You just called everyone who disagree with you politically, you just started asserting that they were child molesters, we would know that's defamation. That's wrong, that's unethical. You're trying to say that this person is the worst kind of human being imaginable, the most vile, the most, the most, you know, lacking in decency imaginable. We would understand, right? Everybody would know. If you just go around saying, you're running against me for this office, you're a child molester. Everybody would know that. That is crossing a clear. You know, that you're saying this to defame someone. Crossing a clear line, which, of course, they've said all kinds of things about Trump. You don't have to. They've said he's a rapist. They've said everything. But, yeah, with this. To call someone a Nazi isn't crossing a line. To say that you are truly a fascist who's going to end the republic and therefore our country is going to collapse. That is crossing the line.
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Clay Travis
There will not be elections again, which is what they have argued for years now, a decade, that Trump is a dictator who will remember because it was, it was very.
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Buck Sexton
We got to get a break and we want to take your calls here, so we'll get to it. But when I did that Bill Maher appearance, and it was when the Democrats, I was there to tell them what was coming. And I did, and it did happen that way. But I remember I looked at Bill Maher. I think it might have been in the post show video they do. I said, I mean, you know that it's going to be okay if Trump wins, right? He's going to win and everything's going to be fine. And he looked me, right? And he goes, I absolutely do not know that I think the country might end well. That's insane. You have a problem. You have. You should go seek counseling. Speak to your priest. Well, not for Bill Maher. Speak to your therapist. Speak to whomever. All right, look, yesterday we stopped to recognize the loss of life our nation experienced 24 years ago on 911 and we've made a pledge, along with everyone at the Tunnel of the Towers foundation to never forget. One way to do that is to continue to support the foundation as they pay off the mortgages of surviving family members who have lost loved ones. Loved ones, one of our first responders or those who are defending our freedom. That's just what the foundation did for the Clark family. U.S. air Force Sergeant Jesse Clark's military service came to an end after chemical exposure caused a large tumor to form in his brain. As a result, he's paralyzed on the left side of his body, legally blind, prone to memory loss and in a wheelchair. But friends like you help Tunnel the Towers build this hero a new smart home to help him live a more independent life. Since Tunnel the Towers founding after the horrific events of 9 11, we must never forget what they have done for us and what they have sacrificed. America's heroes have given us so much. Please join us in donating $11 a month to tunnel the towers at t2t.org that's tthenumber2t.org stories of freedom, stories of America Inspirational stor stories that unite us all. Each day spend time with Clay and Buck.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Asma Khalid
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Buck Sexton
Tristan Redman in London and this is the Global Story.
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Asma Khalid
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got a quick turn here. We're going to just dive into calls. I promise you if you're on hold, we're going to rack and stack it as soon as we get back and get to your calls. So stay with us. And as calls get on the air, slots open up. We want to hear from all of you. I mean, this, you, you have been holding us up. You have been, you know, propping us up. I mean, you've been our support. And so we're so grateful to you for what has been. Look, it's been a really, it's been a very difficult week to do radio and obviously we appreciate all of you and the fact that we can come together. So we'll take some of your calls here in, in just a few moments. So stay with us. When you switch your cell phone service to PureTalk, you'll thank me for two things. Better quality of service at a cheaper price. PureTalk service is on the same towers and network as one of the big wireless companies, but available to you and me at a much better monthly price. For just $25 a month, you can get unlimited talk, texts and plenty of data on America's most dependable 5G network. Give you some perspective on this, the average sized family of four saves more than a thousand dollars a year when they switch to Pure PureTalk. And with PureTalk's US customer service team, you can switch hassle free in as little as 10 minutes. You can even keep your phone and your number. So using your cell phone, dial £250 and say the keywords Clay and Buck. To make the switch, you'll save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, dial £250, say Clay and Buck. To start saving today, pay for what you need while not paying for things you don't need. Dial £250 from your phone. Join Pure Talk Dow £2,50 say clay and Buck.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay. Travis BUCK SEXTON show we're going to get to a bunch of your calls, but I wanted to play this for you because we just referenced it. Congresswoman Jasmine Clark, one of the dumbest yet somehow most influential Democrats on the planet. She went on Charlamagne, the God show, and she said, I'm not necessarily calling Trump Hitler. Just listen.
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Asma Khalid
We've got to talk about like, what it means when you're running for president or you're running for one of these higher offices and you go out there and you talk about B people up. You go out there and you say things like, I could shoot somebody in the middle of the street in New York and I could still win. We got to talk about like that, that is next level. Me disagreeing with you, me calling you, you know, I want to be Hitler. All those things are like not necessarily saying go out and hurt somebody, but when you're literally telling people at rallies yeah, beat them up and that kind of stuff. Like you are promoting like a culture of violence. So we need to talk about like what it looks like when you don't promote a culture of violence.
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Buck Sexton
I think her job is to say the dumbest things imaginable so that anything else that a Democrat says by comparison seems more reasonable. Like that's her actual job, is to try to open the Overton window so wide that it's not possible to say something as stupid as Congresswoman Crockett. Therefore, whatever you say, it's not as dumb as what she says. And it helps Democrats.
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Clay Travis
That may be what they use her as is like the battering ram of stupidity that opens the door for everything else. But to not understand the basic logic of the argument you just made there of hey, we've got to watch basically the language that we're using. I'm not necessarily telling people to kill Hitler. I mean they are, I think the easiest way to explain why choose Hitler.
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Buck Sexton
If you're, if you don't want violence against the. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of people you could point out in history who were you could just point out to bad previous president anyway, go ahead.
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Clay Travis
But yeah, no, we're going to go to calls. But I mean I do think what you've got here is clear incitement. And then when you incite the action for which you are clearly inciting, when it occurs, you say, oh well, we condemn this. You can't light the fire and then say, boy, I wish this house wasn't burning down. I condemn fire. That's what's going on.
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Buck Sexton
I'm hearing El Rushbow right now talking about the drive bys. This is what they do. They just spray destruction in bedlam and just move on past and pretend like nothing happened. Pretend like they had no part in it. And they are neck deep in all this stuff we're talking about.
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Caller
All right.
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Buck Sexton
Calls. You want to do that because we got so many people that want to weigh in. So you pick the top of the list. Mr. Clay.
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Clay Travis
Jim in Denver, I believe you say, Jim, you were scheduled to go to the next one of the next stops on Charlie Kirk's tour. What you got for us?
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Caller
Correct up at Colorado State University. So with this shooter's father being a police officer and thinking that he was brought up the right way by a police officer, I would hope his father would encourage him to cooperate in every way possible with the police to have a better understanding of the antifa types that that ruined his mind. And caused him to do this evil act.
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Clay Travis
Amen. Buck I think one of the outcomes of this needs to be if we haven't already done it and maybe it's underway, but I haven't seen a lot of attention on it, into the root, stem and branch of Antifa in a way that directly goes to their organizational structure.
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Buck Sexton
I just, I want to get to these other calls. I just want to point out, because this is bringing back to. I saw and dealt with Antifa in the earliest days, right. Going back over a decade now as a movement in this country. And there were these open debates that would happen or discussions, I should say, not debates about because right wingers are Nazis and because punching Nazis is okay, isn't it therefore okay to punch right wingers? This was a thing that they would talk about openly. And also the speech equals violence paradigm or the speech equals violence framework that they would use. They would say, well, because what you say is as bad as violence, my violence against your speech is justified, even though I'm the first one to commit violence. I know that's dizzying and that's sort of this self licking ice cream cone of logic, but that is actually this is widespread among the antifa types. John in Texas, what's going on? John.
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Caller
McCall and it's a rough days these days. But we need to study or more people need to study the history. Hitler and the Nazis originated from the National Socialist Party Socialist. So I don't know why people can't look up and say, well that is where the left is coming from. And they are the ones that are actually the Nazis. And in the socialist, generally speaking, the ones that are on top, the leaders, they are the ones that make the money, they are the ones that get paid. Well AOCs, Bernie, that thing Stacey Abrams looked up and she got a million, a billion dollars to some group she headed up and they pass out the money to themselves like that.
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Clay Travis
But I appreciate the call, John. I think what John's hitting on Buck, a lot of times when we talk about political spectrums, I think it's honestly more accurate sometimes to call it a political circle because both logical extensions end in a form of totalitarianism. Whether it's coming from the left or the right, it is a complete control and eradication of enemy. And that is, I think where you become susceptible to this. I'd also point out variety of opinion inside of party basically does not exist on the left now. And it is a strength of a political party to have multiple different competing perspectives because it limits totalitarianism. There's actually a wide variety of reasons people support the Republican Party, the Democrat Party that's become increasingly less so.
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Buck Sexton
He's unfortunately become Trump deranged. But Jonah Goldberg wrote a very good book, liberal fascism, almost 20 years ago now, Clay, that addresses exactly this, which is that the liberal in this country or the leftist is a. Well, that socialism is of the left and fascism is of the left. And this is what people don't really under that, you know, there's a. Oh, the right. Right wing. Right wing totalitarianism is fascism. No, fascism and communism. And this, we saw this play out. Pre World War II, Germany were fighting over the same. A lot of the same recruits and the same people, and that's why there was violence against them. But they were both collectivists. It just one was a globalist collectivist in the case of the Soviet model, whereas there was a nationalist collectivist in the case of the fascists. Right. But there's a lot of. And yeah, national socialists, obviously what the Nazi party actually was. There's a reason for why they call themselves that. Tara in North Carolina, what's going on, Tara?
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Caller
Hey there. Thank you. We love watching your show. I have my other niece here with me. Her name is Abby and.
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Clay Travis
Hi, Abby. We appreciate you being a part of the show.
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Caller
Well, we were calling in because, you know, earlier in the conversation today, you know, you were talking about what makes the youth want to go and do these things and they grow up in a family that, you know, is considered a decent, traditional family. And I have another niece and she's 16 also, and we don't really know what happened to send her to the liberal side. And we about talk about it every day. And so that's why I was calling in to just say it kind of happens before your eyes. It's like over the past year, he just gone, you know, to be so liberal and it's just almost scary.
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Clay Travis
I think this is one of the huge fears for families out there, Buck. I mean, and I think every family out there has someone they can point to that has been lost to a. In some way life that is the opposite of how they were raised.
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Buck Sexton
I think that there are forms of mental illness that make people much more likely to become leftists. They're much more susceptible to the ideology of the left because of challenges that they have in their mind that are sort of pre existing from the indoctrination phase. That's one component of this. I think that you'll increasingly see that there are differences in just brain. You know, if you were to do it like a functional mri. A functional mri. I think that there are differences in the way that people on the hard left, their brains fire than other people. I. This is my belief a lot. There's a lot of early data that supports this kind of stuff. You know, you can actually see, like, bipolarity on a functional mri. You can, you know, an fmri, you can see extreme mental illness. It changes the way that the brain is actually firing in certain ways. And I think that leftism is something that you. If you tried to. I think you'd be able to start to map it out more in the brain, because it is irrational. It does not. It does not make sense, Clay, to compare Trump to Hitler. Trump hasn't. Trump hasn't killed anybody in this country. He's actually doing great things. Hitler tried to take over the entire world and murdered millions and millions of people. 11 million in the death camp, 6 million Jews. Like, how are you comparing these things? This is like saying a mouse is an elephant and we're all supposed to look at you and say, yeah, those two things are similar. They are not.
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Clay Travis
Or a man is a woman.
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Buck Sexton
There we go.
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Clay Travis
And I think it's intentional. I think they know that if they can get you to lie about objective biological reality, breaks you down to lie about everything.
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Buck Sexton
Well, this is going back to my book, Manufacturing Delusion. This is why in totalitarianism, it's so important that you have to be a part of the lie. Clay, there was something that the Nazis used to enforce called physiognomic insubordination, which is a very complex way of saying if you don't seem enthusiastic enough, you know, making the hand gestures and the. You know, they would come over and you could get in a lot of trouble. You know, you could disappear if you're. If you made the wrong face. You know, it'd be like if somebody walked around during the national anthem and, you know, you didn't look patriotic enough. That was something the Nazis. Physiognomic insubordination. Your body slouched, you looked unhappy while you were chanting the mandatory slogans.
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Clay Travis
This is why. I mean, it still exists in North Korea. This is why, when you see North Korean celebratory events in totalitarian governments, they are exaggerating their enthusiasm for fear of potentially being severely consequented if they engage in behavior that doesn't suggest that they are fans of the Dear Leader. This is why you have to have the painting or, sorry, the photograph of. In a prominent place of Kim Jong Un outside of your home.
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Buck Sexton
And if you. And if it's damaged, you can be, you can be sent to the camps or you can even be executed. That photo is more important in North Korea than your own family. And that is. That is by law there. Not that there's really law, but by whatever you want to call it, the, the writ of the, of the totalitarian system that they have. We got more. You know, Clay, do you want to. Why don't we. Why don't we do a lovely read here and we'll take some more calls the other side because we've got every line lit still.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, no doubt. We'll continue to take your calls. We want you to be able to react. It's been a tough week for many of us, all of us really out there in the audience right now. 800-282-2882. You can also hit us up on the talkback if you don't want to wait in line and you want us to be able to potentially play your talk back, go hit the MIC on the iHeart app and you can send us a message there. Unfortunately, Buck, we already lost on the prize picks. Pick a tough one last night. Jaden Daniels did not come through for us. Congratulations to all the Packer fans. Jaden Daniels did not come through and, and I'm sorry, did you not put.
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Buck Sexton
Money on Saquon because how could we expect a different outcome here?
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Clay Travis
Saquon has not yet played on.
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Buck Sexton
Well then that's fair. Hold on.
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Clay Travis
Correction. We won.
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Buck Sexton
We won.
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Clay Travis
This is a man.
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Buck Sexton
Oh look at this.
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Clay Travis
I apologize. I was at my 9th graders game last night so I did not get to watch. And then we went out to dinner. I did not get to watch. Washington, Green Bay, full confession last night. I knew it was a really bad game for Washington. They scored two touchdowns late and by the grace of prize picks, those two touchdowns late were very beneficial to us in the fourth quarter and as a result we actually did win the first leg of our three way hopefully payoff. So if you played along prizepix.com Code Clay, you won last week. 4.25 to 1. We are 2/3 of the way to a 5 to 1 payout. So fingers crossed if Derrick Henry scores this weekend we will get a 5 to 1 payout. 5 to 1 payout going on now. Derek Henry to score a touchdown. Rushing or receiving that's all we need to win. Back to back weeks thanks to Jaden Daniels coming through for us. Always been a big Jaden guy. Go right now to prize picks.com use my name clay. That's prizepix.com my name clay. You get $50 when you play $5. You can play in California, Texas, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee 40 states 13 million of you playing $50. All we need is a Derrick Henry touchdown and we will cash back to back weeks 4.25 to 1 and 5 to 1. Fingers crossed. Prizepix.com Code Clay stories of freedom, Stories of America.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's dive into some talk backs and some calls and we just we greatly appreciate all of you in this week to be able to come together with you and to have this time where we can grieve but also celebrate the incredible legacy of our friend Charlie Kirk and make sure that everyone knows that we stand together. We are unbowed, we are unbroken and we will continue on in this fight and we do this for all of you every day and we know that you are with us in this. So thank you so much for that. Let's do first up a call here, Ted from Texas. Go ahead Ted.
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Caller
I think you brought a young generation in together. I was carpooling on the day of his assassination. I was carpooling with about six boys in my car. I'm talking about black kids, Hispanic white kids, and all they did was talk about Charlie Kerr. I go, what do you know about him? They go, he just destroys liberals. We watch him on TikTok, YouTube and it's so funny. And I go, well that's not part of Charlie Kirk. It's not only about the funny stuff that you see that? He destroys the Democrats. Let's talk about the man. And so I got into that conversation, I said, what he does, What I want you to do is watch him and how he, how he verbalizes. Because you're gonna have job interviews someday. You're gonna have, you know, meet girl. All these stuff you do is gonna be. I'm just emotional, pissed off. But it's like, watch him and watch what he does and how he speaks. And that's more important than what you guys think is funny on YouTube. I'm sorry.
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Buck Sexton
No, no, don't be sorry. Thank you for calling it. Thank you for sharing with us, Tab. We appreciate you. You take care of those boys. Thank you.
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Clay Travis
I think Buck, what he's getting at though, is go to people where they are. A lot of these young kids, they see the funny clips of somebody making what do they think is funny? They think a ridiculous indefensible argument is funny when it is pointed out to be ridiculous and indefensible. And that's what Charlie has done. And sometimes you know this, everybody knows this. Sometimes the best way to reach people, to change minds is through humor because it isn't as dogmatic. And humor allows nuance. And what is the ultimate enemy to all authoritarians? Humor.
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Buck Sexton
That's why they hate you about them.
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Clay Travis
Not allowed. You can't make a joke about Kim Jong Un.
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Buck Sexton
You'll be murdered a a listener. Talk back. Robert from San Diego. Play it. I believe this is probably one of the best shows that you have ever done. You are telling the truth. Truth. And you are telling it with sincerity. Thank you. Well, thank you, Robert. We really, really appreciate the support and we certainly need it right now. We all need it. Todd from New Jersey listens on WOR Play cc. This is one of your three hour brigade men profoundly touched by your emotions and your sentiments. And thank you for always being there. We love all of you in our three hour brigade and all of you who listen at any point. Thank you so much. That was in reference to yesterday's show, but we wanted to hear from Todd. We'll dive into more here hour three and try to get ourselves in the right frame of mind to get in the weekend.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
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Asma Khalid
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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