The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 – Trump and the Prince
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Summary by Podcast Summarizer

Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle hot-button issues at the intersection of politics, media, and law enforcement with guest Miranda Devine (New York Post columnist). The discussion centers around:

• The FBI’s handling of Thomas Crooks, the would-be assassin of Donald Trump,
• The media’s ongoing antagonism towards Trump (including a heated Oval Office exchange with ABC News about Epstein files and Saudi Arabia),
• The double standards in media scrutiny regarding political figures’ ties to Jeffrey Epstein,
• Hunter Biden’s personal attacks on Miranda Devine,
• Some lighter listener call-ins regarding tipping and dating (briefly covered towards the end).

The tone throughout is one of skepticism toward the media and governmental institutions, with humorous asides and instances of righteous indignation—typical of the show’s personality-driven format.

Key Segments & Insights

1. Miranda Devine on the Thomas Crooks Investigation

(Interview begins at 04:48)

The Online Trail of Thomas Crooks

• Investigation Origin: Miranda Devine, using a tech-savvy private source (not law enforcement), uncovered that Crooks—who attempted to assassinate Trump—had at least 17 online accounts tied to his real name, phone, and email.

• Verification: FBI had known about at least one of Crooks’ prolific YouTube accounts since shortly after the incident. Deputy Director Paul Abate testified about the existence of over 700 online comments.

• Behavioral Shift: Crooks’ digital persona flipped from “rabidly pro-Trump” to “rabidly anti-Trump” between January and August 2020, with posts escalating in violent rhetoric. After August 2020, he “goes dark” online.

• FBI Awareness: Multiple FBI sources told Devine it would have been “inconceivable” for Crooks—given his online activity and threats—not to have been flagged or visited by the FBI.

  “He’s got flipped 180 degrees. And then his rhetoric gets more and more violent and disturbing… It was so bad that people interacting with him were tagging the FBI.”
  — Miranda Devine (07:26)

Questions About FBI/Secret Service Oversight

• The FBI claimed (under Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Paul Abate) they had no prior record of Crooks, although Devine and her source easily found extensive online traces.

• Devine posed explicit questions to the FBI about whether Crooks was ever visited or investigated prior to the Butler incident. The response: “no comment.”

• Secret Service deferred responsibility to the FBI, denying any record of contact with Crooks.

  “I have no reason to think that the FBI isn’t fully aware of this and much more… so I don’t even think it’s as simple as [falling] between the cracks.”
  — Miranda Devine (10:34)

DeviantArt, Furry Subculture, and Pronouns

• Crooks used “they/them” pronouns on his DeviantArt account and was present in online communities associated with the “furry” subculture, which has overlapped with other recent high-profile assailants.

• Buck and Miranda briefly discuss possible patterns among high-profile attackers exploring gender identity or niche sexual subcultures.

  “He uses they/them pronouns on DeviantArt. That’s the first time we’ve seen that. Clearly some sort of gender confusion or exploring gender identity—again, disturbing and needs to be explored…”
  — Miranda Devine (14:01)

Stonewalling Oversight

• Senator Ron Johnson has been “stonewalled” by the FBI in attempts to retrieve full documentation and records related to Crooks—he even had to subpoena for documents under the current FBI leadership.

2. Hunter Biden Lashes Out at Miranda Devine

(Discussion at 15:18)

Buck Sexton plays a clip of Hunter Biden personally attacking Miranda Devine, calling her “horrendously ugly” and making profane accusations against her and other media figures.

• Buck and Clay leap to her defense, denouncing Hunter Biden’s character and offering their support.

• Devine responds by reiterating that Hunter never actually disputes any of her reporting (“He never refutes any of it… He just attacks my appearance”) and maintains her stance that he is a “broken human being, lashing out.”

  “Notice that in all his podcasts, he never refutes a word I said… he just attacks my appearance and hilariously calls me a whore.”
  — Miranda Devine (17:06)

  “He should be in prison, as we all know… but because of Daddy, he’s not.”
  — Buck Sexton (18:02)

3. Media Double Standards: Trump, the Saudis, and Epstein

(Segment starts 25:43 and 27:24 for Trump Oval Office exchange)

Trump’s Oval Office Clash with ABC News Over Saudi Ties

Clay and Buck dissect a contentious Oval Office press encounter in which President Trump is aggressively questioned about:

• His family’s business dealings with Saudi Arabia,
• The murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi by the Saudi regime,
• The release of Epstein files (connecting the Saudis and top-level U.S. figures).

Notable Exchange:
(28:36–28:41)
Donald Trump responds to the ABC reporter:

“Fake news. ABC fake news. One of the worst. One of the worst in the business. But I’ll answer your question. I have nothing to do with the family business… I’ve made America more successful by far than it ever was... As far as this gentleman [Saudi Crown Prince] is concerned, he’s done a phenomenal job….”

On the Epstein Files:
Trump denounces questions about Epstein as a “Democrat hoax”—not denying Epstein’s crimes, but stating that efforts to smear him are politically motivated, especially given the Democratic figures (notably Bill Clinton) with clear, documented Epstein links.

“As far as the Epstein files, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago… You don’t even talk about those people. You just keep going on the Epstein files. And what the Epstein is, is a Democrat hoax to try and get me not to be able to talk about the $21 trillion I talked about today. It’s a hoax.”
— Donald Trump (31:49–32:53)

4. Media’s Approach to Accusations and Political Investigations

(Discussion at 32:53 and 36:13–36:43)

• Buck and Miranda point out the disparity in how legacy media investigates and questions Democrats vs. Republicans regarding scandals such as Epstein.
• The hosts reference a snippet from “The Breakfast Club” highlighting the extensive Clinton-Epstein connection and the lack of media scrutiny.

“Bill Clinton… wrote a letter to Jeffrey Epstein… had a picture of Bill Clinton in the dress in high heels in his mansion, but nobody’s talking about that… Whoever’s on that list need to go. Nobody needs to be protecting pedophiles. I don’t care what party they are.”
— Charlamagne Tha God (36:11)

5. Lighter Listener Segments

(45:13 and 46:43)

• Tipping: A listener discusses a practical tipping rule: tip when served at the table; not for counter service.
• Dating Tips: Another listener advises treating conversations with women as friendly, not transactional, emphasizing approachability and genuine engagement.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “It is inconceivable that a kid with this kind of online communications and sort of violent rhetoric would not have been visited or beyond the radar of the FBI.”
  — Miranda Devine (07:50)

• “No, I have no reason to think that the FBI isn’t fully aware of this and much more…”
  — Miranda Devine (10:34)

• “Fake news. ABC fake news. One of the worst. One of the worst in the business. But I’ll answer your question. I have nothing to do with the family business.”
  — Donald Trump (28:41)

• “He’s a brat. He’s just an old brat. Somebody who’s never faced the consequences of reality because of who his dad is—a corrupt stooge for the Democrats.”
  — Buck Sexton on Hunter Biden (23:42)

Structure & Flow

• [04:48] Miranda Devine interview: the core investigative segment, runs through ~[18:55].
• [27:24–32:53] Oval Office exchange: Trump’s rebuttal to ABC News.
• [36:11] Breakfast Club commentary on Epstein and Clinton.
• Interludes with Buck and Clay discussing caller questions and lighter listener topics towards the episode’s end.

Tone

• Direct, skeptical, and combative—especially toward establishment media and federal agencies.
• Empathetic with Miranda Devine during her defense against Hunter Biden’s insults.
• Occasionally lighthearted during listener call-ins and on lifestyle topics.

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:48 | Miranda Devine interview: Thomas Crooks investigation, FBI response | | 12:22 | Crooks’ online presence: DeviantArt, furry subculture, pronoun use | | 15:18 | Hunter Biden’s attack on Devine; Devine’s response | | 27:24 | Trump’s Oval Office confrontation with ABC News | | 31:49 | Trump denounces Epstein-related questions as political attacks | | 36:11 | Charlamagne Tha God on Clinton/Epstein; media double standards | | 45:13 | Listener call-in: Tipping rules (service industry discussion) | | 46:43 | Listener call-in: Dating and approachability |

Conclusion

This episode underscores the Clay & Buck show’s critique of perceived institutional failures and double standards in both media and law enforcement. The hosts, alongside investigative journalist Miranda Devine, spotlight the FBI’s handling of a would-be assassin, denounce Hunter Biden’s personal attacks, and dissect the combative interplay between the Trump administration and the press—especially regarding Saudi Arabia and Epstein ties. The episode mixes investigative depth, political commentary, and lively banter, staying true to its personality-driven, skeptical-conservative tone.