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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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David Zweig
Welcome in second hour of clay and Buck gets going right now and we got a couple big stories this hour to hit you with. And also a great guest, David Zweig will be with us on how Democrats were completely wrong on everything when it came to Covid school lock school shutdowns and lockdowns, which Clay and I have said for a long time. But you know the, you know the meme that goes around always of Schwarzenegger and Carl Weathers hand in hand from Predator. Clay, that was like us on Covid, you know, right. We were just, just two guys with giant biceps locking, locking hands to come together on an issue. And David Zweig apparelly with us there too on this one saying that this is total madness. By the way. Predator, I think all in top five action movie of all time. I'm even persuadable. It may be my favorite action movie of all time. Side note, but it's that or Die Hard for me. Predator or Die Hard, I don't know. I could go, I think Die Hard.
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Clay Travis
Is the best action movie ever made. Like, and I know we're going to give.
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David Zweig
I can't disagree. I love Predator for what it is.
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Clay Travis
But blown up like Gladiator and Braveheart. There are other movies that are higher level film, historical epic.
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David Zweig
Those are historical epic. I don't consider those pure action. In the old VHS store they would, I don't think they would have gone. And I don't think you put Gladiator in action. Gladiators almost like, like Ben Hur or the Ten Commandments. It's like a timeless historical epic that I think is one of the best movies in my, in my, for my money, one of the best movies ever made. And I think, oh, did I tell you that when I was in the hospital with my wife and we were trying to figure out, you know, what we're going to watch to pass the time as we were there for days waiting for a little baby to come out. She's like, you know, she's like, I haven't seen Black Hawk down in a while. It's such a good movie. I was like, yeah, let's do that. So we're in the hospital watching Blackhawk. That another great movie. Anyway, I forget what I was. Oh, yes. We're going to dive into that with David's wide coming up here in a little bit. And I agree, Clay's take on on Die Hard is strong. Let's get into the other two big stories right now. Pete Hegseth, still secretary of Defense. We knew exactly what this was. They're trying to come up with the same, you know, they're running the same play, hoping that they catch the opposing team in a moment of disarray, meaning Trump's team. And I don't think that's going to happen. But there's something weird going on there because a bunch of people around Pete, I mean, I know he's Secretary Hegseth, but to Clay, to me, he's always going to be Pete at some level. Right. Pete is. He's fired. He went on Fox this morning. We'll get into this. People around him have been fired pending investigation for leaks. But were these people that Pete knew before and trusted? Something is going on. I don't actually. Clay, do you feel like you have a really good read on this yet as to what's going on? Something funky is happening in the upper reaches of the Pentagon right now. There are clearly some people who are trying to kneecap our buddy Pete, the secretary of Defense.
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Clay Travis
The only thing that makes sense to me, and I don't want to go too far into the conspiracy rabbit hole, but there seems to be an internal debate right now over how we handle Iran. And I'm not taking either side. I'm just going to tell you what I think the two sides are. One is, hey, we're going to try to peacefully work out a deal that is not going to require the use of force as it pertains to nuclear weapons in Iran. Right. Right. That is what I would say the pathway we are on right now is as it pertains to the negotiations. The other side is we, you can't trust Iran at all. We need to hit them while they are at their weakest. Syria has collapsed. Hezbollah is basically done. The, the, the Hamas terrorists are done. The Houthis are done. Iran has never been weaker. Now is the time to ensure that they're never able to get a nuclear weapon. Those are the two sides. Hegseth seems clearly to be on the side of, hey, let's try to limit our use of force here. And there do seem to be people inside of the Trump administration that want to use force. The only reason, like, does that seem like there could be like kind of the underlying essence of what's going on here?
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David Zweig
That and that also ties into what some of the, of the leaks have, have been. I find myself. And again, Pete went to Iraq for his country, member of the military. I went to Iraq for our country, member of the CIA. And there'll be more cool CIA stories, by the way, I can tell you, because now the book has been cleared. So as the book gets closer, actually that was why I had to be held up because I talked about some of the stuff from back in the day because it's been a long time now and the agency is like, yeah, you can talk about that stuff that I've never talked about before that none of you ever heard before. So that's an exciting little preview of. Yeah, there'll be some good. There'll be some good stuff, some good stories.
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Clay Travis
I'm actually curious to see the stories.
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David Zweig
I haven't even necessarily told my man Clay some of this stuff.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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David Zweig
I'm classified, but now it's not classified because I got it cleared. So I'm excited to, to talk about some of this stuff. But anyway, back to speaking of classified, not classified. Pete has said that there were leakers and that he had to get rid of them. This is cut to. He was on. This is from Fox and Friends, right guys, this morning because there's been a lot of, a lot of chatter around this. This is cut to here. Secretary of Defense Hegseth on this latest attempt to, let's be honest, to oust him play it.
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Buck Sexton
What was shared over signal then and.
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Clay Travis
Now, however you characterize it was informal.
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David Zweig
Unclassified coordinations for media coordination, other things.
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Buck Sexton
That's what I've said from the beginning. At the beginning, it was left wing.
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David Zweig
Reporters from the Atlantic who got a.
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Buck Sexton
Hold of it and then wanted, wanted to create a problem for the President.
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David Zweig
This is what it's all about trying to get at President Trump and his agenda.
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Buck Sexton
And so when we had leaks, which.
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David Zweig
We have had here, we did a serious leak investigation. And through that leak investigation, unfortunately, we found some folks that we believe were.
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Buck Sexton
Not holding to the protocols that we.
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Clay Travis
Hold dear here at the Defense Department.
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David Zweig
Through that investigation, they have been moved.
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Buck Sexton
On and that investigation continues.
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Clay Travis
So, so do you. Is there anything else that could be going on. I mean, I think it's clear Hegseth is not like one of the cool kids who has spent his whole career in the Pentagon. And there's an outsider insider dynamic that's clear. Right. That's going on. But is it Iran? Like, do you buy into me that it being ultimately this is a battle over what our response to Iran should be, or is it something more that we're missing here? Well, let's come.
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David Zweig
Yes, yes. Based on some of the leaks. Also our friend, Undersecretary of Defense Bridge Colby, who I was very in favor of because I've known him forever and he's brilliant and he's one of us. There was a little bit of resistance to him. Now, to be fair, like, Senator Cotton voted for him and, you know, it all went through. But there were questions about where he was on Iran. There were concerns that he was too dovish on Iran, knowing Bridge. Well, I would never consider him dovish on anything. He's a, he's an America first patriot. Right? He's like, whatever America has to do to protect ourself, our interests and our people is what we're going to do. On the issue of use of force against Iran, though, it's not as clear as just, yeah, blow up their stuff because they're bad and there's no blowback on us. And I think those of us who come from the, what I consider the 911 generation, a lot of you, and a lot of you paid a very serious price in being away from your family, away from your wife or your husband, you know, 12, maybe even 15 months if you got extended deployment in Iraq. Maybe some of you have been wounded, Maybe some of you lost, lost brothers in arms. Like, you all know what I'm talking about here. We don't want to get into some Mideast war that we shouldn't be getting into. That is a lesson that our generation, Clay, people your age, my age in particular, learned because we were the ones age wise who surged into this. It was really, you know, millennials, Gen X. They were the ones who were predominantly serving in the Middle east, in Iraq specifically. So. But I just want this debate to be happening. I don't want this debate to be knife fights behind closed doors in the E ring of the Pentagon. I want this to be out in public so we know what's going on here. And so that's part of this makes me, it makes me uncomfortable because I see that there is this little war of leaks and there's this, these games going on and this stuff is deadly serious. If we're really talking about use of force against Iran, the American people, Donald Trump. This needs to be out there so we understand what the implications are. I don't think that we should wake up one day and just find out that the reactors are smoldering and let's see what happens next. I do not like that approach to this. Now, I don't think Trump's going to do that, but I do get the sense there are some people in the upper echelons of the Pentagon who do want that to happen.
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Clay Travis
Well, I think the danger is just this. We have no idea what Iran's going to do. And in the same way you can, if you're being honest, the reason why North Korea and Iran want nuclear weapons is because once you have nuclear weapons, the regime in power is basically protected from external threats forever.
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David Zweig
This is some people call the Libya lesson, or even the Ukraine lesson, I might add. Ukraine, third largest nuclear power in the world, signs the Budapest memorandum, and Russia, the UK and the US say, don't worry, give up your nukes and we'll protect you. Yikes. That didn't work out well for them.
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Clay Travis
So you might have internal battles.
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David Zweig
Gaddafi, the Gaddafi thing, I think, is even more visceral because of what happened to him. And he was trying to play ball on the WMD front after what happened in Iraq did not work out well for him. Sorry.
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Clay Travis
No, I think that's the lesson. If you're out there, I think you have to consider the goals of the other side. And I don't buy that Iran's going to give up nuclear weapons, because why would they? So my only thought is, I don't trust them to negotiate fairly. I also don't trust them to give up their ultimate goal, which is nuclear weapons. If I was in charge of Iran, if I were the Ayatollah Clay, can you imagine the Ayatollah Clay would want nuclear weapons? Because the way that you protect your power from external threats is by everybody being afraid that you might use a nuclear weapon on them. Now, Iran has all sorts of challenges internally because the theocracy that took over through the Ayatollah really destroyed the freedoms of the vast majority of the Iranian people. And that tension is out there. Buck, have you seen some of the videos of IRAN in, like, 1978, when people are just walk. Women are just walking around in skirts and dresses and, like, high heels. Modern city.
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David Zweig
It was a hip, happening place before the Ayatollah came along.
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Clay Travis
And then suddenly you can't be walking around without wearing a burqa. You cannot go watch a soccer match if you're a woman.
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David Zweig
By the way, the same thing was true about Afghanistan pre Soviet invasion and Taliban. It was far more westernized and liberal on the streets of Kabul, not as much as Iran was, but they, they didn't have them dressing like full beekeepers. So there's a lesson here.
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Clay Travis
I mean, my point on this is, and look, we're going to have to make a decision and there's going to be a lot of smart people arguing a variety of different perspectives. I am just highly skeptical that Iran is going to say, oh, you know what, you're right, we shouldn't really have nuclear weapons. I think they're just going to lie to us and continue to try to create nuclear weapons.
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David Zweig
Well, here, here, here is. I actually see this strategically. I think largely the same way that you do on this. I would say the options are let Iran. Let Iran go nuclear. Right. Whether people say that should be an option or not, the reality is they could. And we've been told that they are very close to it. Now, part of this is that we've been told they're very close for more than a decade. And so what is very close even mean at this point and how accurate is our assessment of their program? I'm sure the Israelis are probably telling us a whole lot they have better intel on this than anybody else. But how accurate is it? Ok, that's part one of it. There's strike and just try to remove this threat forever. Or there's status quo, which is can we box them, you know, box them out from going all in with negotiations. This was a little bit of the Obama approach. It was actually worse than that because Obama sold out all of all other US Policy in the Middle east to get an Iran deal that didn't actually have worthwhile enforcement mechanisms and the incentive structure necessary for the abandonment of the program. It's like, do we want to live on the knife's edge here essentially? Or rather, should the Middle east live on the knife's edge for the foreseeable future? Clay, really? So there's three pathways, right? Strike, let them get it, or status quo, which is waiting to see if they're going to get it or if we're going to strike. Because I don't think there's any world in which we say, oh, we've got such an ironclad deal with them, they're never going to do this. That's just insane. You know, they're just trying to extract the maximum concessions possible before they. Because once they go nuclear, you know, guess what? That's it.
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Clay Travis
There's no protected forever from anybody trying to externally remove their positions, people from positions of power.
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David Zweig
But, but I understand and I share the overall sentiment that we don't want to war in the Middle East. We don't want another war in the Middle East. We really, really don't. And you know, Iran has 70 million people. It's a sophisticated country. We don't want. Now would Iran be able people say, well, if we struck their reactors, what? That's that right? Then isn't it over? What if Iran, what if the regime decides that it's break the glass time for them and now they're just going to push all their proxies and now the proxies are in a weaker position. As you can see. This gets very complicated. But if they engage in a bunch of mass casualty attacks against U.S. interests or forces or allies in the region in response to it, do we let that regime stay in power? It starts to look like an Afghanistan situation with Al Qaeda. Right. I mean it. So it's messy, but something clay is going on at the Pentagon. And we'll continue to watch this and we'll see if, you know, we can get Sean Parnell, our buddy, who's also over at the senior echelons there. I'll reach out to him and see if he can come on and talk to us about what's going on. He may. I'm sure there are limitations, of course, and there is classified concerns here, but he can tell us what he's allowed to tell us. There's a phrase you're going to hear later this year in the news cycle, maybe even before Memorial Day. The term is sovereign wealth funds, and it refers to a fund that all citizens of a country benefit from after the nation invests in the development of an asset. In our nation's case, there are more than a few informed people who believe that our nation has an asset worth $150 trillion and has been buried on American soil. This endowment, so to speak, is so large it could pay off our national debt four times over. Why has it been kept secret for so long? Well, thanks to a Supreme Court decision, President Trump could soon release it to the public. Jim Rickards, former advisor to the White House and Federal Reserve, says if you're over 50, this could be your best chance to build lasting wealth from a once in a century event. To hear more of Jim's thinking, go online to birthright2025.com if he's right, it could make President Trump the most popular president in history and help millions of investors retire wealthy. Go to birthright2025.com to get the details, free of charge, paid for by Paradigm Press.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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David Zweig
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Clay Travis
I said last week, we know we're in the process of moving in the house, Buck. And my wife has been collating everything, moving into a new house. I don't know when the new house is going to be done, but I walked into the bathroom, my jaw dropped. Every one of her shoes in the entire house was all laid out because she's in the process of kind of packing them up. And I counted and she had 90 pairs of shoes. Now these are all types of shoes. Like, I'm not an expert on women's shoes, but like sandals to, you know, fancy heels that you would wear to like, I don't know, like a formal dinner or something. And I just, I was in disbelief. I could not imagine. I put it up like, is this normal? Most women out there, it sounds like, have shoe collections of this kind of magnitude. And I don't know if they have.
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David Zweig
90, but they probably have a big shoe collection, whatever that.
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Clay Travis
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David Zweig
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got Congressman Chip Roy with us now. Sorry I got my guest time slots confused here. But he's fantastic and we appreciate him being here with us. Congressman Roy, appreciate you. And let's talk about this. Why are your colleagues all of a sudden taking these taxpayer funded boondoggles down to El Salvador? What do they think they're going to prove with this?
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Buck Sexton
Well, it's kind of hope. We were going to talk about A and M&UT Baseball in Austin but we'll cut, we'll get to that in a little bit. But, but look we've got, we've got my Democratic colleagues are doing what they do best right now. And what I mean by that is they very much believe, and I believe they mean this, they believe that non citizens should vote. They believe that non citizens should be able to flood into the United States frankly at whatever level they see fit regardless of the law. And they believe that they're in better standing to try to go defend somebody who has very obvious ties to Ms. 13 with two courts having acknowledged that very strong reality or likelihood and they're fine going down to try to defend them rather than standing up for the Americans who were hurt. Now I mean a lot of people have been saying this, I mean nothing new about what I'm saying but look, I gotta be very personal here. When I've gotten to know Alexis nungre, the wonderful 28 year old woman whose daughter Jocelyn was murdered last summer by Trende Aragua outside of Houston, that's a real person, a real individual who lost their life directly as a consequence of the people released into our country. And now Democrats want to go to El Salvador to hold up as the poster child an individual who has an order of removal, who was had his wife go like, file charges against him, who was stopped transporting a carload of illegals in a car and who has known affiliation with MS.13. And that is the poster child for who Democrats would have put front and center, not Rachel Moran and her family, not Jocelyn Nungray's family, not Kayla Hamilton's family. And that's how out of touch Democrats are. But the good news is President Trump is trying to do the right thing and Republicans in Congress hopefully are waking up to try to support what President Trump is doing.
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Clay Travis
How much of this is just a big structural issue? We were talking earlier in the show, Congressman, about the fact that this is just basically a math problem. If Biden is going to have, as he did, let in around 10 million illegals. And if you look at the rate with which Trump is able to deport, let's say he's going to be able to get 350,000 people from inside the country out. Basic math would say it would take 30 years of that to get the 10 million that just came in in the last four years, to say nothing of all the people who've come in before. How much of this is structural in that the president has to have the ability to get people out of the country as easily as the prior president had to let people into the country. That's the real battle here, in essence, isn't it?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, that's very well stated. And so for those of us who in 2019, 2020, even under the Trump administration, who was dealing with the complexities of the law to try to secure the border himself, and ultimately Covid was a part of that as well. But then all through the Biden administration, when we were all saying, guys, they're doing this on purpose, they're violating and abusing parole and asylum in our country, we put in place these laws to try to help people and they're abusing these to flood the zone. It's intentional because they know how hard it will be to remove them right now. Think about this. Democrats are doubling down on this guy. Imagine what they'll do when it is the grandmother who is not a criminal or doesn't have a criminal history, who came here illegally and was wrongfully paroled into the United States, put ahead of other people, flooding our zone, burdening our systems and Medicaid and hospital and all that, but isn't a criminal. You know how that will go. And to your point about the numbers, okay, this is why the president and why his team are fighting this so hard. The President needs to have significant authority and I believe does to push back and release people who were wrongfully put into the United States who are citizens of other countries. It is the only way to have a sovereign nation. I believe that the president, I believe the Vice President, I believe Stephen Miller, I believe Tom Homan. I believe they are all correct when they are trying to push back on that notion.
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David Zweig
Speaking to Congressman Chip Roy out of Texas. Congressman, and what is it that they. I asked Clay this yesterday. We tried to walk through this. So to make the Democrats who are going down to El Salvador not for vacation, but to meet with Abrego Garcia to make them happy, Trump would negotiate a, I guess a deal or put in a request with Bukele, the president of El Salvador, to bring this illegal back to America so that then we could say, hey, he's an illegal and send him back to El Salvador. Or, or is it just that they want to bring him back and then try to jam up the process so he gets to stay? Like, what is their preferred outcome?
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Buck Sexton
The goal of Democrats is to empower courts to be able to process every single individual who was paroled into the United States or released into the United States under asylum laws under Biden, which is millions of people, and to be able to say that each one of them has an individual claim and due process right to get into court, to adjudicate the claim. And I don't believe that is accurate. Right. They had an administrative process for going through and determining what their status is, but they do not. Like, this is not due process in the sense for all your listeners out there, right there. These individuals aren't charged with a crime like murder as a non citizen. They come in here and they murder somebody. Or I mean, some of them are, by the way. But in this question, it's not that as to whether, okay, are they getting due process, are they getting a lawyer, are they getting a chance to go into court, prove their guilt or innocence? This is literally a question of status and it's an administrative process and they're trying to get into court. So, yeah, I mean, Stephen Miller outlined this pretty well. When you describe the situation with Garcia down in El Salvador, he's saying, well, okay, you want to fly him back here? Well, we can release him to some other country, right? So even if you accept that we can't send him to El Salvador because he's threatened by some other gang, which was his position five years ago, he would still be deportable to another country because a judge has already issued a order of removal. And that is not, to the best of my understanding, appealable other than in the context of the administrative proceedings in question. It's not a due process claim. So this is what Democrats are trying to do. They're trying to game the system in order to achieve the objective, their objective of NGOs going into court and filing suit on every individual who is released into our country. So the president cannot release or remove them by class as Joe Biden allowed them to come in by class.
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Clay Travis
Congressman Chip Roy with us right now. Earlier this show we started off with a clip that I bet you've seen that has gone viral of Elizabeth Warren trying to explain why she in any way backed the mental and physical fitness of Joe Biden. I'm curious, what is the long term fallout in your mind of the biggest lie that's been told in a very, very long time when it comes to the legacy media and also behind the scenes? Were Democrats in Congress, were they acknowledging that they thought there were issues with Biden but they wouldn't say it publicly? How much discussion do you think there among Democrats about what all of us and certainly we've been talking about on this show for years, could clearly see?
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Buck Sexton
Well, to the second question which relates to the first, for the most part, my Democrat colleagues, I mean, I had a handful of friends who would very honestly and openly acknowledge their concerns when you'd have a private conversation, but they were very tight lipped about it publicly because the overwhelming motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has been hostility to Donald Trump. That has literally been their entire motivating factor. So it did not matter to them that Joe Biden was very clearly mentally not present. I don't know if you all remember, but last July after the debate when.
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Clay Travis
I think we lost it there for a sec, it broke up. See if we can get him back here. Sec to finish up the interview. The other thing that's that's floating around out there, Buck, is all these books coming out. I wonder on some level whether the Abreu Garcia conversation and everything else is a desperate attempt to keep people from looking at all of these stories that come out. I understand it's in the past, but it's such a miscalculation to me to focus on Abreu Garcia as the front facing element of the Trump deportation policies that I just find it almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could be as calculated of a decision as it appears. To be that you could decide, hey, this is the ground upon which we want to fight. And I think we've got Congressman Chip Roy back with us right now.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, sorry about that, Clay. All I was saying was I introduced a resolution calling on the vice president to carry out the 25th Amendment. Right. And why I did that was because it was very, I wanted to call the question because it was important that the question get called. But to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the core basis which by the way, relates to the border issue and immigration. They don't care. It's all about political power. It's, it is literally all about political power. And I wish I didn't have to say that. Right. I mean, it oughtn't to be that way. I ought to be able to sit down with some of my Democrat colleagues and figure out like issues that are important for our people. But right now it is animus towards Trump and it is about opening the floodgates to people to try to build a political base for themselves, for power. And that's it. That is driving everything they are doing. It's about political power.
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David Zweig
Congressman Roy, appreciate you being with us, sir. Thank you.
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Buck Sexton
Thanks, guys.
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Clay Travis
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David Zweig
On and some laughs, too. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show story that I was talking about off air that I want to mention here. Outkick has got a story up, Buck about Nike. And we're going to continue to chase this, but I want to fill you guys in a little bit about it because I could not believe that this would be possible for an American sports apparel brand and shoe brand to be doing. Nike is evidently Buck and I'm reading from an Outkick story Dan Zach Eski wrote and he did a good job on this. Nike is funding research on children that are receiving puberty blockers and or hormone therapy and gender change surgeries to see how that can impact their athletic performance. Allegedly they will not issue a full statement, but this has been, it's in a New York Times story this, this weekend that they wrote about a trans athlete. And Nike is funding, according to the way this story is written, Nike is funding gender change. Gender, I mean, frankly, on kids this is, I think it's barbarism. I mean, I think it should be criminal. But for a major company like Nike to be funding this research is to me beyond the pale. And this is again, according to a New York Times story that came out over the weekend. Outkick requested a comment from Nike. They will not respond about whether they're funding this research, but the New York Times story said they were. And I'll just say if you weren't, wouldn't know we're not doing this. Be a pretty easy answer to give. And so far they're refusing to answer.
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David Zweig
I think we just, we need a bunch of like college guys who played a little high school ball, maybe got some beer bellies going on to, to just challenge like the women's basketball team at their school and to videotape this or something like, I, I, I don't know what I, I think we have to show the absurdity now more so than it already is being shown. I don't know what else can stop this or what, what is it going to take for Nike? The people who are pushing this at Nike are delusional. They're insane. There's something wrong with them.
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Clay Travis
Listen to this quote, Buck. This is from the person who's doing the study, which to me shouldn't be allowed. Recently we got some money from Nike. They wanted to Study transgender folks who are going through transition younger. So we're talking about athletes pausing puberty, gender affirming care, cross hormonal treatments, what happens to them over time. Funded by Nike to see how it impacts athletics. This is barbaric. And look, I understand people got upset about Bud Light and I'm not drinking Bud Light still because of the ridiculous trans thing they did. But they didn't fund a study of pre adolescent kids to see how hormone therapy and chopping off their genitals impacted their athletic performance. I mean, this is some truly evil, sinister stuff. And again, Nike's not commenting on this at all. But a bunch of different people, including the New York Times, have reported that they have funded this research. This is beyond the pale. I mean, I read this and I was in disbelief. And again, I give credit to Dan, Zach Shesky for writing this. And by the way, Buck, nobody else in the entire sports media would even cover this because they think probably this is a good thing. But 90%, I would imagine, of parents think like I do, that this is barbaric. Kids under the age of puberty having gender surgeries done to them which could sterilize them forever is, I mean, to me it's criminal. You should go to prison for doing this. And the fact that a major athletic company would be funding it is. I mean, they should fire executives who signed off on this. I don't even see this as a remotely defensible position for them to have taken. Again, we're going to continue to cover it, but I wanted to share it with you guys because I think the spotlight needs to be shown on this to understand exactly how diabolical it is.
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David Zweig
Why is Nike doing this now? What's, what's the thinking?
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Clay Travis
I think their argument is their true. Trying to figure out how trans athletes should be involved in sports. Wait, I mean, I, I, this is crazy. I think they're trying to measure, their argument here would be we're trying to measure how gender impacts athletic performance. And I just think it's diabolical. Well, we do know that's the. Yes, I agree, but I think a lot of crazy people out there have bought, bought into this idea that, that this is, that this is something that should be studied because, well, what is the actual impact of men playing women's sports and hormones and everything else? I think that's what they're trying to justify.
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David Zweig
Crazy world. We got David Zweig coming up here on An Abundance of Caution. His new book, Stay with us.