Hour 2 - We Have a Culture Problem

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 – We Have a Culture Problem
Date: December 10, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the cultural, political, and economic issues making headlines in the U.S. and abroad. Major topics include the controversy over immigration and welfare, Trump’s messaging on affordability and the economy, and an in-depth discussion of Australia’s new law banning social media use for children under 16. The hosts use humor, personal anecdotes, and passionate debate to frame their arguments and invite callers to weigh in on the show's recurring theme: the changing norms and challenges facing American society.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump, Ilhan Omar, and the Immigration Debate (04:48–13:13)

• Discussion Context: Buck and Clay replay a controversial Trump rally clip targeting Rep. Ilhan Omar, then dissect U.S. immigration policy, specifically the "public charge" rule and welfare usage among immigrant groups.

• Highlights & Facts:

  • Trump’s comments on Ilhan Omar sparked debate, with an offensive rant mixing immigration policy, personal attacks, and misinformation.
  • Clay cites a statistic: reportedly 81% of Somali immigrant families in Minnesota are on welfare.
  • Buck explains the "public charge" rule—by law, legal immigrants are not supposed to be admitted if they’re likely to use public assistance, but enforcement is criticized as lax.
  • Both hosts argue for stricter welfare limits for immigrants and desire reforms based on country of origin and skills.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Clay Travis [06:50]: “There should be a zero percent immigrant welfare situation in this country…how in the world have we created an immigration system by which anyone…should ever be able to go on welfare?”
  • Buck Sexton [08:08]: “They are supposed to assess whether this person will be…likely to become dependent on government aid…If the answer is yes, they are not supposed to be allowed to immigrate.”
  • Buck Sexton [11:11]: “I would wager that less than 1% of Taiwanese Americans are on welfare…Nigerian Americans are doing great…It’s cultural, it’s the community.”

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2. Economic Messaging and Affordability Politics (14:08–17:48)

• Discussion Context: Trump’s economic policy, inflation, gas prices, and the effectiveness of his messaging.

• Highlights:

  • Trump touts low gas prices at a rally, trying to position himself as the answer to economic frustrations under the Biden administration.
  • Clay reports paying $2.50/gallon in Tennessee, suggesting that—adjusted for inflation—it’s the lowest he can remember.
  • Both acknowledge gas prices as a strong psychological indicator for American families, but note broader inflation still burdens people.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Clay Travis [14:59]: “This morning…I stopped to fill up my gas tank. $2.50 a gallon…adjusted for inflation, probably a record low price in most of our lives.”
  • Clay Travis [15:27]: “If you adjust for inflation, probably the cheapest gas has ever been in my life.”

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3. Australia’s Social Media Ban for Children Under 16 (20:59–35:47)

• Discussion Context: The main segment focuses on Australia banning social media for those under 16, the rationale, and implications for the U.S.

• Summary of Arguments:

  • Clay strongly supports the Australian approach, aligning social media access age with legal thresholds for driving or voting.
  • Both hosts cite rising concerns regarding youth mental health, cyberbullying, online predators, and reduced in-person communication.
  • Acknowledgment of practical challenges (kids faking ages), but insist laws still set a valuable standard.
  • Buck adds that online dangers (scams, predators, sextortion) demand urgent action.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Clay Travis [21:19]: “You can’t vote until you’re 18...You can’t drive a car until you’re 16...What do you think is more likely to have a negative impact…someone renting a car at 25 or someone 13 or 14 years old on social media?”
  • Clay Travis [24:30]: “Every kid in America is on social media…getting on at 10, 11, 12…It has been shown to be incredibly destructive to mental health.”
  • Clay Travis [26:58]: “I think a standard of kids aren’t allowed on social media until 16 would be healthy. I would support it.”
  • Buck Sexton [27:48]: “There’s the safety issue where children are being exposed…actual physical safety, right, as well as psychological safety.”
  • Buck Sexton [29:14]: “People now are being trained…to consume things in 60 or 30 or even 5 seconds, bytes…not a good thing.”
  • Clay Travis [30:08]: “Not only that, that you can’t be reached by other classmates on social media that everyone can see instantaneously…This is a no brainer to me.”

• Sextortion & Online Predator Warning:

  • Clay recounts (31:23) cases where boys are tricked by fake accounts into sending explicit images, then blackmailed—sometimes leading to suicide. Buck advocates harsh penalties:
    • Buck Sexton [31:23]: “I’m in favor of the death penalty for people who do this…I would set them up in front of a firing squad and not lose a second of sleep.”

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4. Caller Reactions & Debate: Individual Responsibility vs. Government Action (37:24–43:48)

• Caller ‘Derek’ from Arizona [37:31]:

  • Argues it’s the parent’s responsibility to control their children’s access, not the government’s.
  • Distrusts Australia’s approach, referencing its COVID policies.

• Clay’s Response:

  • Counters with examples where the state already limits underage actions (drinking, driving, voting) to protect minors.
  • Asserts that sometimes setting a legal standard is justified given the risks.

• Caller ‘Tim’ from Arizona [41:52]:

  • Agrees with Clay; supports ID checks for social media and higher age restrictions.

• Further Debate: Buck and Clay discuss effectiveness of existing age checks online, referencing age-gated pornographic material as an example of how such laws can change behavior.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Clay Travis [40:35]: “Is it the parents’ responsibility to stop their kids from drinking alcohol until they’re 21?...Why would you agree that there should be age limitations...but not for social media?”
  • Clay Travis [41:52]: “You should have to show a valid ID when you sign up. 16, 18, 21—whatever it takes.”

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5. Cultural Commentary & Youth Development (33:39–34:35, 34:29–34:35)

• Teenage Boys and Social Media:

  • Clay humorously critiques teenage boy behavior, noting how social media amplifies bad decisions.
    • Clay Travis [34:29]: “There is no person on the planet that is dumber and more filled with self confidence that they are actually brilliant than teenage boys.”

• Risks for Girls:

  • He notes the particular dangers young girls face with social media predators and peer dynamics.

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Memorable Quotes & Segment Timestamps

• [06:50] Clay Travis: “There should be a zero percent immigrant welfare situation in this country.”
• [08:08] Buck Sexton: “They are supposed to assess whether this person will be…likely to become dependent on government aid.”
• [14:59] Clay Travis: “$2.50 a gallon…probably a record low price in most of our lives when it comes to how much it costs to fill up for gas.”
• [21:19] Clay Travis: “You can’t vote until you’re 18...Can’t drive a car until you’re 16…What do you think is more likely to have a negative impact…someone renting a car at 25 or someone 13 or 14 years old on social media?”
• [27:48] Buck Sexton: “There’s the safety issue where children are being exposed…physical safety, right, as well as psychological safety.”
• [31:23] Buck Sexton: “I’m in favor of the death penalty for people who do this…set them up in front of a firing squad and not lose a second of sleep.”
• [34:29] Clay Travis: “The 15 and 16 year old boy is the dumbest creature that is convinced it is the smartest creature in the history of mankind.”

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Sections & Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:48 | Trump’s rally, Ilhan Omar controversy, immigration and welfare debate | | 14:08 | Trump on economic messaging, gas prices, cost of living | | 20:59 | Australia’s social media ban for children—setup and opinions | | 26:58 | Rationale for 16+ age limit on social media; personal parenting challenges | | 27:48 | Online safety, cyberbullying, mental health, and the problem with screen time | | 31:23 | Sextortion, predators, and severe legal consequences | | 33:39 | Maturity, dumb decisions, and the developmental risks for teens on social media | | 37:24 | Caller segment: individual responsibility vs. government action | | 41:52 | Alternative policy examples: age-gated content and online ID checks | | 43:48 | Gun talk and show close |

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Tone

• Combative, humorous and direct.
• Clay Travis: Blunt, passionate, and draws heavily on personal anecdote and data.
• Buck Sexton: Analytical, occasionally fiery, focused on the legal and systemic context.
• Both hosts are unafraid of controversy and use humor and sarcasm to engage listeners.

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Conclusion

Clay and Buck use this hour to link culture, law, and parenting—from headline immigration controversies to the everyday struggles of raising kids in an online world. The Australia social media ban acts as a prism for larger debates about government intervention, personal responsibility and the evolving risks facing American families.

Listeners are encouraged to weigh in, both through calls and polls, on whether America should follow Australia’s example and what the role of parents and government should be as society struggles to adapt to rapid technological and cultural change.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

And the entire Clay and Buck show. Wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful new year. Okay, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off now. I'm gonna make you guys a promise. We don't have a guest at 1:30 today, do we, Ally? PRODUCER ALLY no, we don't.

[Clay Travis]

Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

I didn't want to make that promise. And then they' JD Vance is joining us.

[Clay Travis]

Like, damn it.

[Buck Sexton]

Fuck.

[Clay Travis]

What are you doing?

[Buck Sexton]

No, we don't have a guest today in the bottom of this hour. So Clay, put a pin in it because we've promised this for days. We will talk about the Australia social media ban for kids, which which is the lead story on Fox News right now. I'm sure a lot of you are going to have thoughts on this one. I very much I've already been thinking about how I'm going to handle this issue as my little boy gets older. And I want to keep them as much in the real world. I want to keep my son as much in the real world and delay the virtual world as long as I can. That's my. And Clay, I know you've done. Anyway, I don't want to get ahead of it because we're going to dive into IT producer alley if I start if we start blabbing about Clay's rose, just be like, no, throw a flag. We have to talk Australia social because we promised we would talk about that. Okay. So that's going to happen. We will get to that this hour. You can send us your thoughts and talk backs in the meantime on it. And then at the very end, we'll get to some of those, A few things going on here. One is Trump is recognizing already the Democrats are going to run on this affordability issue because a lot of people are very frustrated about the economy. And that's real. That's out there. And you got to deal with it. You have to deal with it on the messaging front. You also have to deal with it on the numbers. Now, it was interesting. Uncle Bill yesterday was with us, Bill O'Reilly, Clay and he seemed, from what I could gather, to think that it's to say that, yeah, there's some stuff that's expensive, but also some of this is perception driven. And you know, the Democrats are fomenting discontent to the degree they can with this affordability issue. We'll get into this, but Trump was at a rally in Pennsylvania specifically on this issue of affordability. And because it's Trump, there were a lot of things that were covered, including this Ilhan Omar rant which is cut too, which I think you should all hear.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

I love this Elon Omar, whatever the hell her name is with a little Shoe, a little turban. I love her. She comes in, there's nothing, but she's always complaining. She comes from a country where, I mean, it's considered about the worst country in the world, right? They have no military, they have no nothing. They have no parliament. They don't know what the hell the word parliament means. They have nothing. They have no police. They. They police themselves. They kill each other all the time. I love it. She comes to our country and she's always complaining about the constitution allows me to do this, the concert. We ought to get her to hell out. She married her brother in order to get in, right? She married her brother. Can you imagine if Donald Trump married his sister? Beautiful. She's a beautiful person. If I married my sister to get my citizenship, do you think I'd last for about two hours or would it be something less than that? She married her brother to get in, therefore she's here illegally. She should get the hell out, throw the hell out. She does nothing but complain.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, this got a lot of attention. We will get into some of the actual economic policy and affordability stuff, but Ilhan Omar, interesting. She's getting so much more heat these days than aoc. Another member of the so called squad.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, and you can say, oh, that's not the best way to focus attention. I just shared this. This is from In Wokeness. Great account to follow on Twitter. According to their analysis, this graphic that they shared. Here's a question for you, Buck. What percentage of Somali families in Minnesota are on welfare?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, 60. I mean, 60. 70.

[Clay Travis]

I would guess 81%.

[Buck Sexton]

70 wasn't bad. 81. Yeah, it's good. Very.

[Clay Travis]

But, but so here's a. I mean, like, leave aside anybody from any country, how in the world have we created an immigration system by which anyone that we bring into the country at all should ever be able to go on welfare? I'm sorry, if you are an American citizen, as virtually everybody listening to this show is right now, why should our taxpayer dollars in any way go to immigrants who come to this country and immediately go on welfare? I mean, I don't even understand how this is a Republican, Democrat or independent issue. It should be 100% of Americans say, yeah, that's wrong. If we, if we need to support American citizens, that's people who are born in the United States with welfare, to help people get back on their feet, to help the families have more success. That is the decision that I think is one that charity we have, we have made. Now. Is the welfare system abused? Could it be more efficiently run. All of these things are true. There should be a zero percent immigrant welfare situation in this country. That's 81% data point shared by end.

[Buck Sexton]

Wokeness under the Immigration and Nationality act. Under existing federal statute, there's something called the public charge rule where for anyone who is supposed to be none. This is for legal immigrants to be clear. For legal immigrants, for anyone who is a prospective legal immigrant into America, this is the law. I am telling you right now. They are supposed to assess whether this person will be is likely to become dependent on government aid in the future. And if the answer is yes, they are not supposed to be allowed to immigrate to America. So understand that the law says they're supposed to be assessing or are you probably going to need welfare? If the answer is yes, you don't get to come and stay here. And yet 80% of Somali immigrant families to Minnesota. 80%, 8 out of 10 are getting welfare. What this tells you is that they are just ignoring what the law is. And I'm talking about the system, the immigration system that we have laws ignored. People are allowed in. We can all tell they're going to need welfare. They're scamming the American people, not just the Somalis. I'm talking about the people that have been running our immigration system and a lot of Republicans too. This is a bipartisan scam, my friends, that has been run. How many people even know about the public charge rule? Clay? How often do you see this talked about on cnn? Never.

[Clay Travis]

Never.

[Buck Sexton]

There's supposed to assess. That should be a blanket no. You're going to need. You're going to need welfare. Sorry, not allowed to come to America. I don't care how sad you are.

[Clay Travis]

Or how teary eyed you are because.

[Buck Sexton]

We'Re not the words. We're not World's Soup Kitchen.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, and I understand if you say that should never happen and it happens 10% of the time, you would say, you know what, there's a rounding error there. We're not going to be perfect in analyzing people's ability to make a move like this. It might happen sometimes. 81%, if it's over 50, the default should be. No one from those countries is allowed to immigrate here. I'm sorry. Because you, if you're flipping a coin on whether or not we're going to have to provide state federal resources for people from American taxpayers to come to our country, what this is, this is bonkers. Okay? And so if it's at 81%, it basically means that almost everybody coming from that country is going to immediately use up our taxpayer dollars in order to live here. What are we doing? How? I would love to see this broken down by country of origin, because I would think you could basically look at it. I would bet that there is a 5% use of welfare. If you're coming from Sweden to the United States, if you're coming to Japan, from Japan to the United States, if you're coming from. I mean, we can just look at the list. That's the people we should be bringing.

[Buck Sexton]

I would wager that less than 1% of Taiwanese Americans are on welfare. Less than 1% of Taiwanese American immigrants. They're the, they tend to be at the very, very top of the, you know, income scale. We went over, remember we talked about this yesterday and the people want to say, are you being racist? Nigerian Americans are doing great. Nigerian Americans, immigrants from Nigeria are about 80k. A household doing very nicely. Some people are saying very nicely, they're doing. Somali Americans are at 40. Something's going on there. It's cultural, it's the community. It's what the expectations are for the new arrivals. It's what the community that's there is pushing forward.

[Clay Travis]

Also your ability to actually have skill set to make you a strong member of the American workforce. Do you speak the language? Do you have education? Look, I mean, you guys all know this. There are people who have had extremely high level jobs in other countries that come here and have to drive taxi cabs around, have to run gas stations, have, you know, a lot of achievement in other countries. They come here, they have to start at the floor. But they have a skill set that allows them to be able to make a living and a work ethic that is second to none that will allow them to have success. 81%. 81%. Basically everyone listening to us in Minnesota right now. Explain to me how bringing all of these Somalis in, that has meant that your tax dollars go to non American citizens to immediately basically create a huge safety net for people that have no love for your country, no recognition of its excellence, and frankly limited to no benefit to the state of Minnesota. This is just a lie we've been being told and most people are not even looking at the data. To me, it's just, if you can't come to this country and avoid going on welfare, to your point, buck, it is the law, then how are we not applying it? How are we not limiting people from these countries when they're immediately arriving here and taking advantage of our goodwill?

[Buck Sexton]

I just Think the public charge rule is one of the best examples, though, of they've been lying to you about immigration for decades now. They don't want people to know what the law even is because they used those laws to get things passed at the time. Oh, we're going to have a public charge rule. Oh, but we're going to increase the H1BS in this country. At the same time, they use these things to throw people off so they don't know what's really happening. And to your point about the 81%, clay, that means that the exception is Somali immigrants to this country who aren't on welfare, who aren't just taking from the public treasury. And. And we're not even talking about the fraud stuff. Well, we have talked about that, but I'm saying that's in addition to all of this. But let's just go for a second here. I know this is a little bit of a hard term. We only have a little time on this one because we have to talk Australia social media stuff because everyone's fired up about it. Trump talking about the economy.

Here he is on. Gosh, we have. We have. Here he is talking about gas. Cut, cut five. Play this.

[Clay Travis]

Please.

[Buck Sexton]

No.

[Clay Travis]

Well, we're right now drilling more oil.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

Than we've ever done ever before. Prices are way down. We just had four states. It was just reported that four states had $1.99 a gallon.

We're so moving.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay. There's a whole hit list here of no tax on tips of the farmers of all these things so we can get into some of this. But Trump is out there telling everybody, I understand you're being told the economy is really bad and some things are pinched, the prices are high because of Biden inflation. But we're doing good things. And he's trying to remind everybody of that.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look. And price of oil and gas is one of the places that people go to the most to think about cost of goods. Again, I can't speak to everyone's price of gas everywhere in the country, but this morning on my drive down, I stopped to fill up my gas tank. $2.50 a gallon. Okay, between 10 Nashville, where I live, and Birmingham, Alabama, I stopped just a little ways outside of Nashville, $2.50 a gallon. That is, if you adjust for inflation, probably a record low price in most of our lives when it comes to how much it costs to fill up for gas. Now, some of you are gonna say, wait a minute, Clay, I'm saying adjusting for inflation because unfortunately, Joe Biden drove The cost of everything up 25% at least over the last several years. So we're now at four year lows, dollar to dollar, adjusted for inflation. I think gas at 250 a gallon, what I just paid for, I think that's probably the cheapest gas has ever been in my life. And I mean that. Again, adjusted for inflation. And some of you out there are going to say, well, I was a nickel, you know, okay, well, I don't know how that would have cost back in 1942 when you were paying a nickel a gallon or whatever the heck it was. But in my life, $2.50 adjusted, best price for gas that I can ever remember seeing as a function of inflation. That actually be a good graphic. Maybe one of our team can figure that out. Maybe ChatGPT or, or Grok can tell you. In fact, I'll do that during the break, right after I tell you about Cozy Earth. I told you the story. It's 100% true. Over Thanksgiving, we're watching college football, we're watching NFL games, My sister comes over and she sits down on the couch, she covers herself up. It's a little bit cool. Covers herself up with the Cozy Earth blanket. And within 15 minutes she had gone on cozyearth.com and bought her own blanket. And then she told me, she's like, oh man, this blanket's unbelievable. I said, it's cozier. I said, use my code. She said, oh, I didn't, I didn't know you had code. I said, yeah, well, 40% off if you use code. Clay. Not good. And then she went on and she bought my mom one and she bought another for her house because this is the most comfortable, warmest cover you can find. The bubble cuddle blanket. It is unbelievable. It's awesome. You get a hundred night trial, ten year warranty. We also sleep on these bamboo sheets. They are unbelievable. Cozyearth.com in time for the holidays. Cozyearth.com my name Clay. Make sure to order by Friday for guaranteed Christmas delivery. It's Wednesday. All you slackers out there, sorry. Buck was telling Christmas gift stories from back in his childhood. You don't want to be stopping to buy Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve.

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[Clay Travis]

U n D welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Holiday music bringing us back. We got a lot of holiday music feedback. We'll have some fun. By the way, open up phone lines. 800-282-2882. This Australia Banning under 16 year olds from social media.

I'm gonna like set it up for all of you to be able to, to weigh in on this. But let me give you a quick take and we'll also have some fun with your anger over my holiday music takes. Let me give you a quick take here, Buck, and we'll set the table a bit more when we come back. I actually think Australia has this right. Um, and I understand people out there who are going to say, Clay, what are you talking about? Look, in general, you can't vote until you're 18. You can't drive a car. This is general in the United States. Can't drive a car until you're 16. Can't drink alcohol till you're 21. To my knowledge, Buck, you can't even rent a car until you're like 25. Right? I don't think you can get a hotel room until you're 25 years old. What do you think is more likely to have a negative impact? Someone renting a car at 25 or someone 13 or 14 years old on social media? I think that we have stumbled into a world of social media where we had no idea what the consequences were. And I think we're just now seeing the mental health impact here. Now, will kids cheat on this? Yes, 1 billion percent. Kids are smarter at tech than the parents are. They'll lie about their age, they'll fight to get on. But I think the premise is the right one.

[Buck Sexton]

You're moving through this one pretty quickly. You gotta lay this. They've got to let this breathe. They got to let this.

[Clay Travis]

But I want to see if people agree with me. It may be that like.

[Buck Sexton]

But we're going to talk about this in the next segment, right? Or have you just done your whole.

[Clay Travis]

I'm setting the table for, for here. What I think is the. Is the right take. And I actually agree with Australia and I disagreed with much of what they have done in Australia to this point. Like you said, it turned into East Germany with East Germany with koalas.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's what happened during COVID It's true.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. You know Clay, I'm just gonna hand this off to you because you're, you're very fired up about Australia thing. I'm not even going to set this one up. I'm going to let you set this one up. Australia. It's just gone into effect. Social media ban for children. Tell everybody what's going on here.

[Clay Travis]

Look, every kid in America is on social media and a lot of them are getting on social media at 10, 11, 12 years old. They're lying about their age. And it has been shown to be incredibly destructive to mental health for so many kids out there and a lot of parents frankly, because social media just exploded in the last several years. They didn't really know what they were doing. I think we're going to look back on much of social media as a modern day equivalent to smoking. Meaning there were huge risk factors that many people undertook without realizing what they were getting into. And so recently schools have decided, hey, you know what, we're not going to make it standard that kids can sit around most schools with their cell phones all day long. And overwhelmingly behavior has gotten better. Kids pay better attention in class, there's less conflict. I think the standard across the United States, every state I think should have the ability to make their own decision on this. Uh, but I think a standard of kids aren't allowed on social media until 16 would be healthy. I would support it. Um, and you can say, okay, well, kids are still going to cheat and they're going to make fake, you know, accounts and they're going to lie about their ages and all those things. Yeah, I get it. But that happens with everything where you set an age limit. It doesn't mean it's going to be infallible. I think what would be important buck is most kids say now I've got to be on social media because all my friends are on social media. I think if you can eliminate that as a standard act where everybody else's kids aren't on either and kids have to go back to some form of face to face interaction. Remember, they can still text, they can still make phone calls, things like that that, you know, kids I think have been doing for some time. I think overwhelmingly mental health would get better. I just, I think it's a no brainer. I think Australia has got it 100% right. I'm curious what this audience would say. I'm going to actually put up a poll and maybe there are some kids that are already out for Christmas that want to call in and tell me why I'm an old unk and I'm wrong about this, but I would support this for my own kids being kept off social media. We have tried to keep them off social media as long as we can.

And look, I've got one that's about to be 16, at least in the near future. I've got one that's 17. So they would probably argue with me. In fact, I know they would. But kids often argue for things that are not in their best interest. And I think a standard rule of 16 and up to get social media, just like you have to generally be 16 to get a driver's license, would be a good call. Your kids are young. This will be resolved, I think to a large extent by the time your kids are older. I think for a lot of us out there that are parents around my age, social media just kind of exploded about 2008 and most parents really didn't know what to do with it. I think we're now seeing some of the major deleterious impacts that have occurred and we're responding to it in, in, in late fashion. But I think Australia is right. I would support this nationwide.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, there's multiple levels here of what's going on. There's the safety issue where children are being Exposed. And I mean actual physical safety, right. As well as psychological safety. But being exposed to predators and all kinds of, you know, very concerning stuff online. Because at some level online is like the Wild west, right? It's just you can be talking to somebody, especially with AI now people can be very sophisticated about pretending to be somebody that they're not. And whether it's scammers or predators or a whole, a whole range of nefarious online entities, kids, you have to protect the kids from that stuff. So that's, that's the first and most important line of this, I think, is the we got to make sure that your kids aren't being groomed, the kids aren't being, you know, targeted and, and you know, you don't know as a parent, right, because you think, oh, my kid's home with me, they're safe. You don't realize that they're making a plan and maybe they're going to lie to you about it. We've all read the stories, we see what goes on. So that part of it, the safety part of it, I'm just all in favor of and think it makes a whole lot of sense. And then there's sort of the more social and societal aspect of it where, you know, this stuff is, is a giant, generally speaking, it's a giant time waster. And it's something that I think really affects people's ability to not only interact with other human beings, live and in person, but, but also I think it's affecting our attention spans in ways that are a big problem. I think that people now are being trained, like our brains are all being trained to consume things in 60 or 30 or even 5 seconds, bytes of information. And that's actually not a good thing. So I like it on that, on that level as well. I would want children, kids, adolescents to be, you know, to have basically formed some level of who they are and some layers of judgment before they are going online. Because the other part of this is too, you know, what's online kind of lasts forever, as we know. And I think it's a good thing that if you're having a bad day as a 14 year old, you're not necessarily posting things to a public message board.

[Clay Travis]

Not only that, that you can't be reached by other classmates on social media that everyone can see instantaneously. If you had an awful experience at high school or in middle school, when in 1988 you didn't come home and then have everybody talking about it or posting a video of it, or constantly denigrating you, I just, this is a no brainer to me. And you mentioned safety. I saw Marsha Blackburn, senator from Tennessee, shared this story. I think it was reported by the New York Post. And this is something I think you should be talking to your kids and grandkids about and something that I talk to my kids about. And if you're young kids out there listening to us right now, you should be aware of it. Boys in particular. Have you seen this awful story about there are a ton of fake accounts pretending to be pretty girls and they jump in the dm, they create these fake profiles and they then reach out to young boys, you know, 14, 15, 16 year old boys and they start trying to talk to them in a sexually suggestive manner and eventually get them to send pictures. And then as soon as the pictures are sent, they demand payment of money or they say they're going to send the pictures to all your friends, all your family. Buck, there are a bunch of kids, teenage boys that have committed suicide over this.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm in favor of the death penalty for people who do this, by the way. I would set them up in front of a firing squad and not lose a second of sleep or anything else.

[Clay Travis]

If you do this to a kid, I like that.

[Buck Sexton]

You deserve, you deserve to be ended. Ended. I think it should be a death penalty offense to do this to children.

[Clay Travis]

Now the problem with that, of course, is that many of these accounts originate in overseas markets.

[Buck Sexton]

I know it's tough to track them down, but I think I know some veterans, I know some people that we could get together with Interpol, we could track these, these pieces of absolute vermin down. And I'm just saying.

It'S so evil what they do. And I truly mean that. I would be in favor of Congress passing a law that if you engage in sextortion, which is what they call these crimes against children, death penalty, take them out.

[Clay Travis]

I don't have a problem with it at all.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, we're blowing up the drug, you know, the drug runners.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So we find somebody internationally, you know, whatever we got to do, we got to take care of this because this is, it's horrible. There are kids that have committed suicide because of this. It's the most evil thing. And you want this to stop, let people know we're going to track them down anywhere in the world and they're really going to pay a price on this.

[Clay Travis]

I just put a, posted a poll, I said, I think Australia got it right by the way. 800-282-282 I think a lot of you are going to have strong opinions on this. Katie Miller, who just interviewed Elon Musk, scheduled to join us at the top of the next hour. She's a mom of a bunch of kids. I think she will have a strong take on this and I want to see. I'm curious. You can go vote in the poll. Do you agree with me that Australia got it right? Do you disagree? Um, and I understand some people are going to say, well, this is what parents need to do, Clay. This is what parenting is all about. Kids in general are way more sophisticated with social media than parents are. And the biggest problem I will tell you that parents are going to have is when the standard is every other kid is on social media and you don't allow your kid on social media, that makes it harder for parents to keep them off. If the standard is. Nobody is allowed on.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

If that's the standard, then there will be far fewer kids that are getting on social media. And if you told me right now.

We'Ve got a driver's license, age of 16, that seems reasonable to me. Social media seems akin to driving a car in that you need to have a certain level of maturity to be able to do it because there are, as Buck was just laying out, substantial risk factors associated with a social media account, to say nothing of. We were just talking about sextortion and all the awful things that can happen. But you can just be a moron and you can just do stupid things that get you kicked out of school or cost you college admissions because you were super duper dumb when you were 13 or 14 years old. I always like to say there is no person on the planet that is dumber and more filled with self confidence that they are actually brilliant than teenage boys. Teenage boys are the dumb and you and I have both been them.

[Buck Sexton]

So I, I thought, I thought I was really smart as a teenager and then in my 20s I had a lot of humility heaped on me.

[Clay Travis]

So yeah, the, the 15 and 16 year old boy is the dumbest creature that is convinced it is the smartest creature in the history of mankind. There is no gap in the history of our lives between reality versus expectation of what you think of yourself versus the reality of yourself than a 14, 15, 16 year old boy. I think to the best extent we can protect morons from being morons. And that is pretty much every teenage boy. I always like to say, Buck, I've been talking about this for a long time. Difference between teenage boys and teenage girls. No teenage girls. Final two words or ever. Watch this. Teenage boys are always trying to get attention. They're always trying to impress girls. They're always taking risks and doing stupid, super stupid things. And so this is certainly true for boys. I think for girls it's even scarier in many ways, Buck, because teenage girls are preyed upon even more than teenage boys and even preteen girls. I mean there are a lot of creeps on social media accounts out there. So I think the standard of 16 will take a bunch of your calls. We got loaded lines on this 800-282-2882. This is a big topic. As Australia's ban has officially gone into.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Also a little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We have got a ton of you who want to weigh in on a variety of different topics. Let's start here.

Derek in Arizona says it's The Parents Responsibility ll I'm 61 years old.

[Caller]

It's the parents responsibility to regulate their kids period. Just like you do your kids.

Another thing I will also say is what Australia does. Just think about what they did during the pandemic. I'm sorry. No making a law like that here. No.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. So what I would say to the people out there who say it's the parents responsibility. It's a very valid argument. Let me just ask that 10 athletes.

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[Clay Travis]

Responsibility to stop their kids from Drinking alcohol until they're 21. Is it the parents responsibility to stop their kid from driving until they're 16? Is it the parents responsibility to ensure that your kid doesn't go vote before they're 18? Why would you agree that there should be age limitations on certain things based on maturity and ability of kids to handle responsibility? Like parents don't get to decide, hey, what if parents can't drive a car?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I was gonna say parents can't just be like, yeah, like, but you know, Joey's cool, he's 15. I'm giving him this handle of vodka. He'll be great. Like, no, that's actually not allowed.

[Clay Travis]

And you couldn't decide, hey, you know what? This is my mature 12 year old. I'm fine with them driving to school every day. You would get arrested. So the state actually in some cultures.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, getting married, like they do arrange marriages in Iran at that age. Like very, very illegal in this country with good reason.

[Clay Travis]

So there are many age restrictions. So I don't buy the, oh, it's the parents responsibility. Look, parents should have the right to do a wide variety of things before the kids are 18. I actually think the state has a tremendous interest in determining for minor children that we get to the best possible results. Flip side, Tim in Arizona, he's got great taste.

[Caller]

Jj, I'm about your same age though I don't have any kids. But I agree 1/9illion percent with clay that you should be a minimum of 16 to be on any social media. You should have to Show a valid ID when you sign up. 16, 18, 21, whatever it takes.

[Clay Travis]

I'll give you an example.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Hey, let me give you an example of something that I think has been effective age limitation. I think it's in Florida too. Buck in Tennessee. If you're going to now look at pornographic material online, you have to be prove. You have to give your ID and prove you're over 18 years old. I've been, I'm over 18. I'm not giving the state my ID to go look at pornographic material. I'm just. Okay, I'm not going to. But young kids have been getting access to pornographic material. I bet the amount of even adults accessing that has diminished substantially. You know, it used to be hard to get a Playboy magazine back in the day. It wasn't very easy to see a naked girl if you're a boy or girl growing up, we've kind of run.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

I love gun trash talk. I'm not even sophisticated enough to be able to get involved in gun trash talk. By the way, loading.

[Buck Sexton]

Ron from Toledo. I appreciate that. You know, he's got to walk around with, you know, with a cane to make sure that he can balance his 1911 and make sure he can blow the dust off of it because it's an antique. So that's cool. It's no problem.

[Clay Travis]

When we come back, Katie Miller will join us. Stephen Miller's wife. She just interviewed Elon Musk and the interview has gone very well viral. But I bet she has a strong take on this as well. We will also get to all of your calls if you go 800-282-2882 fastest way. As always, use the talkback function on the app. Final hour of the program. Up next, let's keep having some fun hanging out here.

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