Hour 2 - What is Fame?

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - What is Fame?
Date: February 11, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the changing concept of fame in America, exploring how social media and digital platforms have fragmented celebrity culture. The hosts recount personal anecdotes illustrating generational gaps in recognition and discuss how influence is now niche-dependent, rather than universally recognized. The episode then transitions to the high-profile Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case, critiquing media overcoverage due to celebrity connections and examining legal and procedural aspects of FBI searches. Finally, they debate the enduring Epstein scandal—arguing over victims’ responsibility to name names if further criminal charges are desired—before previewing a conversation with Alex Berenson about the social and health effects of widespread cannabis use.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fame in the Social Media Era

[00:00–07:32]

• Generational Fame Gaps:

  • Clay and Buck joke about their lack of familiarity with influencers and youth culture, as highlighted by their children calling them "unks" (slang for unhip uncles; [00:00–01:02]).
  • Buck observes that each social world now has its own celebrities, but they rarely cross into mainstream recognition as in the past ([01:02–03:22]):

    “Every world sort of universe has its own super famous people, but they don’t cross over in the same way that they did in the 80s and 90s when we had global superstars… We have a lot of islands of fame now and those islands of fame may not cross over at all.” — Buck Sexton [01:36]

  • Clay shares being dumbfounded by an Uber driver who couldn’t believe he didn’t know who Bad Bunny was ([02:33–03:22]).
  • Buck admits he didn’t realize Bad Bunny’s significance even after seeing him in a movie ([03:22–03:54]).

• Impact of Social Media:

  • Traditional paparazzi are “gone,” replaced by self-publicizing celebrities ([03:54–05:44]).
  • People can have massive followings in one demographic but remain unknown elsewhere—e.g., YouTube makeup stars drawing huge crowds ([03:54–05:44]).
  • Mr. Beast is discussed as an example of a celebrity who was huge among a niche youth audience before being acknowledged by the larger public ([05:44–07:32]):

    “My point on this is we have created a world where cultures don’t overlap all the time and where somebody can be super influential…” — Buck Sexton [06:53]

• Social Media Metrics:

  • Clay tells of a friend dating a Latin pop star with 60 million Instagram followers—a scale unheard of in conservative media ([07:32–07:49]).
  • General agreement that “what is fame and what is notoriety... has changed dramatically.” — Clay Travis [07:49]

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2. Celebrity and Media Bias in Crime Reporting: Nancy Guthrie Case

[07:49–14:50]

• High-Profile Cases Get Disproportionate Attention:

  • Audience notes the Nancy Guthrie case is being overcovered due to Savannah Guthrie’s fame.
  • White House statement expressing concern and prayers for the Guthrie family is played ([08:42–09:11]).

• Experience of Being Falsely Detained:

  • Clay and Buck speculate on the anxiety of having one’s house searched by the FBI in the course of a high-profile investigation ([09:11–13:11]).

    "If the FBI shows up banging on my door, even if I know that there's no truth to it at all... I would be like, what's going on here? Is somebody trying to set me up?" — Clay Travis [12:09]

  • Soundbite from homeowner whose house was searched for the missing person:

    "They came up telling us that ... somebody gave a tip that [Nancy Guthrie] was in my house ... I told them, you can go in and search ... We don't have nothing to hide." — Unidentified Woman [10:55]

• Search Procedures and Rights:

  • Buck, as a legal professional, insists he wouldn’t allow a search without a warrant, due to concern over evidence mishandling or being set up.
  • Clay argues most people would let the FBI in due to pressure, even though asserting their rights is legally correct ([13:11–14:50]).

    “You're—now, you go from a person of interest to a person of suspicion pretty fast...” — Clay Travis [14:33]

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3. Fragmented Influence and Digital Trends

[16:12–17:45]

• Weed vs. Alcohol: Shifting Social Habits:
  • Preview of upcoming interview with Alex Berenson about the surge in daily marijuana users (now outpacing alcohol users), especially among image-conscious younger generations ([16:12–16:45]).

    "One of the stats... most staggering to me was there are more daily users of weed than daily users of alcohol..." — Buck Sexton [16:41]

  • Clay theorizes this reflects a generation obsessed with appearance due to Instagram, TikTok, and fitness—alcohol is less compatible with those priorities ([16:45–17:45]).

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4. The Epstein Files: Calls for Accountability

[19:30–33:10]

• Fatigue and Frustration with the Epstein Narrative:

  • Clay expresses exhaustion with ongoing coverage and demands for more transparency, noting most victims have received significant financial settlements ([19:30–21:56]):

    “The Epstein civil victims ... have been paid over a hundred million dollars in civil damages... If there are other men who victimized you, sue them. Name them.” — Clay Travis [21:39]

  • Clarifies that simply being named in a file doesn’t mean criminal activity; many are unfairly maligned for mere association ([21:56–22:19]).
  • Stresses reality of legal process—files will not yield “smoking gun” evidence; prosecution depends on victims identifying perpetrators ([23:56–25:02]).

    “The only way ... that there could be additional criminal charges brought, is if people who say they are victims share what they say they were victimized doing, who did it to them. And then there's an investigation.” — Buck Sexton [25:02]

• Reassessment of Trump's Ties to Epstein:

  • Both hosts reiterate Trump had minimal connection to Epstein, even reporting him to police at one point; most high-profile associates were Democrats ([26:41–27:59]):

    “[Trump] actually was a guy who was grossed out by Epstein just by his be[ing]... sleazy and slimy at parties.” — Clay Travis [27:19] “If you really want to make it a Democrat Republican issue... there's far more left-leaning Democrat supporters interacting on a regular basis with Jeffrey Epstein.” — Buck Sexton [27:59]

• Unresolved Accountability:

  • Hosts repeatedly argue the only way new charges arise is for alleged victims to publicly name perpetrators ([32:48–33:07]):

    “If you were victimized by someone, not Epstein, who is dead… tell everybody.” — Clay Travis [32:48]

  • NDAs are not a valid excuse; any judge would throw out an NDA used to shield criminal conduct ([31:49–32:14]).

    “The Epstein estate is not suing a single person for violating the non-disclosure agreements... they're not suing anybody.” — Buck Sexton [31:31]

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5. Marijuana Attitudes – Preview

[34:28–37:03]

• Set-up for Alex Berenson Interview:

  • Clay and Buck disagree with a listener “William from Houston” (audio message at [36:13–36:41]) who calls them “totally out to lunch” on cannabis; they argue marijuana is more dangerous than portrayed.

    “I respectfully disagree, top to bottom. I think it's really bad and a really bad idea.” — Clay Travis [36:41]

• The episode closes with anticipation for a deeper, data-driven discussion on the impacts of widespread cannabis use.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Modern Fame:
  “We don't have the same recognition of fame as in the past ... we have a lot of islands of fame now, and those islands... may not cross over at all.”
  — Buck Sexton [01:36]

• On Legal Searches:
  “I'm not letting the FBI search my house for anything without a warrant... if the FBI shows up banging on my door... I'd be like, what's going on here? Is somebody trying to set me up?”
  — Clay Travis [12:09]

• On the Epstein Victims:
  “You are the victims. If people committed crimes, you are the victims. You have to bring the victimization to light and name your victimizers. Buck, what am I missing here?”
  — Clay Travis [22:19]

• On Trump's Ties to Epstein:
  “Trump, the guy who now we find out, was thanking the police for taking action on him… He wasn't doing any of this. Any of this criminal stuff. He just wasn't. It's very obvious.”
  — Clay Travis [26:41]

• On Cannabis Trends:
  “There are more daily users of weed than daily users of alcohol. And that has skyrocketed since we created legalization of weed in a way that...”
  — Buck Sexton [16:41]

• Listener Contrarian Take:
  “You guys are totally at the lunch on cannabis. The fact that cannabis use is increasing and it's more than alcohol is a really good thing...”
  — William, Houston listener [36:13]

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Segment Timestamps

• [00:00–07:32] – The Fragmentation of Fame & Social Media’s Effect
• [07:49–14:50] – Celebrity Crimes: The Nancy Guthrie Case & FBI Search Rights
• [16:12–17:45] – Marijuana Surpasses Alcohol; Social Trends
• [19:30–33:10] – Epstein Files: Media Frenzy, Suing Perpetrators, Legal Realities
• [34:28–37:03] – Setting Up Next Hour on Cannabis Debate

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Tone & Style

• Conversational and anecdotal, grounded in personal stories and audience engagement.
• Opinionated and occasionally combative—hosts debate and invite contrary opinions.
• Blending legal expertise (Buck’s lawyer background) with cultural commentary.
• Uses humor ("unks," “do it for Clay, do it for freedom”) to relate generational divides and media trends.

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For listeners wanting succinct insight into how fame has splintered in the digital age, the interplay between celebrity and criminal justice coverage, and the ongoing Epstein discourse, this episode provides opinionated takes, legal analysis, and sharp commentary on evolving American culture.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome in second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Definitely want to get some of your talkbacks and your calls this hour. We usually do that of course, in the back half. So send in those talkbacks now and if you got a call, by all means, give us a call in a little bit. Also on those emails, want to remind you to subscribe to our YouTube channel. Great video goes up on that YouTube every day of the show. And we want to reach the youth and they are on the YouTube. So we don't want to be a couple of unks. A word that I have learned from Clay's boys. We don't want to be UNCS. So we are on YouTube, which is very important so we can have the 20s and the 30s year olds of America listening in. So please go and subscribe and tell your kids or your grandkids that that's where they can find us. This where the cool kids hang these days. And that's where we can. Yes, you, you look like.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I, I'm just kind of, I'm just kind of laughing along because I was at, at the, at super bowl week and I was out to dinner with people who are in their 30s and consider themselves to be sort of, you know, with it in the social universe. And I was naming a couple of people that my boys are paying attention to now online, my teenage boys. And they had never heard of them and, and now those people are, they're like questioning everything. So it's just funny. I don't know at what age you become aware that you're not really aware of what young people are doing. Using the phrase young people is probably one sign of that. But I watched the Grammys like I popped it on. I don't know any of these people. Like, you know, the. Almost the entire arena of current music stars, I have almost no idea who any of them are. And even increasingly the social media world, I don't know any. I mean the TikTok stars, like all these people, we don't have the same recognition of fame as in the past. I actually think it's kind of interesting. Every world sort of universe has its own super famous people, but they don't cross over in the same way that they did in the 80s and 90s when we had global superstars in United States superstars. Everybody knew we have a lot of islands of fame now and those islands of fame may not cross over at all. Which is why we want you to subscribe to us on YouTube. Because we're trying to reach people who, frankly, have no idea we exist, because our arguments are good.

[Clay Travis]

This is actually reminding me of how my first year in Miami, there was absolute gridlock. And I lived in down. I lived in actual Miami, not Miami beach at the time. And there was total gridlock. And my Uber driver, we couldn't go. I mean, it was just. You could tell. It was like. I was like, is the president here? What is going on? I mean, you couldn't get anywhere in Miami. And he goes, it's a Bad Bunny concert. And I'm telling you, it was the first time I had ever heard of this. And I told him, I said, who is Bad Bunny? And he was. He was a young Latin American fellow, and he was absolutely could not believe that I did not know who Bad Bunny was. It was like. It was the craziest thing he had ever heard. It was like I was a space Martian who landed on Earth. And he was, like, poking and prodding me. He's like, you don't know Bad Bunny. I was like, I do not know Bad Bunny.

[Buck Sexton]

I watched Happy Gilmore 2. Bad Bunny is in that movie. I had no idea who he was. Like, he's the caddy in Happy Gilmore 2. There's a lot of famous celebrities who have different roles. Until the movie was over, I had never heard of him, and I had no earthly idea that he was a famous person. I was like, who is this guy who's not a very good actor that has been in this movie for the whole way? I had no idea. I'm like you. I had no earthly idea who this guy was.

[Clay Travis]

I also think that that fame and celebrity status because of social media. First of all, the. And this is a little digression from the news stories we talk about, but the era of, like, paparazzi as this thing, you know, think of it like the paparazzi chasing Princess Di. People share photos themselves now all the time for free, publicly, especially celebrities. So this idea that, like, you, oh, we need to catch a glimpse of somebody. I think that's gone now, largely gone, at least because of social media, and also ever knows there are cameras everywhere all the time. So you're gonna catch somebody like, you know, some famous actor, like, sneaking out of the strip club, and it's a big deal. Like, everyone knows everyone's everywhere all the time or sees everyone all the time. And so that. That's a big change. But also now, you know, if someone. If you're not famous in the worlds in which they inhabit. Clay, to your point, you don't really count. Like there are people. I saw one of the longest lines I have ever seen for anything. And I mean, including Star wars openings and new movie theaters in New York. And I had to ask. It was down in like the Flatiron district of Manhattan. And I'll never forget this. It went on for. There were so many people in line clay that they had to be separated for traffic. And so they had people like ushering people across the street because the line went for so long. I mean, they just. And they couldn't just block off the whole sidewalk with people. And I was just like, what is this? And it was for a YouTuber who did makeup tutorials. It was also, by the way, all like 18 year old girls basically in this line. But it was a YouTuber who did makeup tutorials who has millions and millions and millions of followers. I had never heard of this person before, so. So your point about there is a. There's just different channels now and people's existence. You can be super famous in one context and no one has any idea who you are.

[Buck Sexton]

Your YouTube example. This was the first time I realized how big YouTube was getting. I don't go to the mall that often, but I was going to the mall for like a Christmas last minute shopping trip and they had a tour of YouTube and personalities. This is probably like 15 years ago. And the entire mall was swarmed with kids such that you could barely move in the mall. And I had no idea who any of these people that they were clamoring to see. I'll give you an example because again, I have my own kids. I played in that celebrity poker match with Ted Cruz, Doyle Brunson with.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And Mr. Beast was like the most famous person you had ever sat next to in your life, according to your boys.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, the o. And. And Mr. Beast, I had really didn't know him at all. And now he's kind of. He's a billionaire. I think he's better known now than he was like four or five years ago by the general public. But that niche of teenage or, you know, like it was really tweens, right. Like if you were 8 to 12 about five years ago, 8 to 14, you were obsessed with Mr. Beast. Now those kids have gotten older, but I had no idea that audience existed. And so my point on this is we have created a world where cultures don't overlap all the time and where somebody can be super influential. I think honestly, Kamala got caught flat footed on this because she thought traditional celebrities endorsing her were going to make a difference. And Trump recognized the rise of the online ecosystem in a way that she did not. And I do think those guys that have young male audiences are uniquely influential in a way that I don't know. Queen Latifah and Beyonce are not those young male audiences online, they're more impactful than ever before.

[Clay Travis]

I had a buddy down here who went on a date with a Latin pop star, and I had. He told me, and I had never heard of this person before. And this woman had 60 million Instagram followers. Quite. 60 million?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. That's unbelievable.

[Clay Travis]

And I was like, that's a lot. That's, you know, if you're. If you're in conservative media and you have seven figures of Instagram followers, that's pretty unusual. I mean, there's some, you know, I mean, you know, Megyn Kelly has millions. Ben Shapiro. I mean, there are people who have a lot of Instagram followers, but they don't. They don't have 60 million that I could tell you. So the point is here, the world, what is fame and what is notoriety and all these things, it has changed dramatically. Okay, so that was a bit of a digression. Let's dive into something else. Well, this ties into the fame thing a bit because a lot of you have been pointing out that the Nancy Guthrie story is getting a hugely disproportionate amount of attention because she has a famous daughter. That is just true. That said, we want Nancy Guthrie to be returned home safe and sound, and we want the FBI to be able to bring this to the swiftest possible conclusion. Caroline Levitt in the White House. This is cut three. She spoke about this play. Play three.

[Caroline Levitt]

Everyone. Thank you. Thank you for coming today. I apologize for the delay. I was once again with the President. He and I were both reviewing the newly released surveillance footage from FBI in the Savannah Guthrie case on just this heartbreaking situation with respect to her mother. And once again, I will reiterate that the prayers of this entire White House are with Savannah and her family at this time. And we hope this person is found soon and that her mother is brought home safely.

[Clay Travis]

There we. I mean, that's where this is right now, Clay. They. They had a person of interest that they talked to. And it's quite clear this is not somebody who was involved in the kidnapping. And, and, you know, everything is. But I was just thinking about this when the story's breaking last night, when there's so Much attention on a case like this as there is is a national, big national story. It's leading a lot of news broadcasts right now and a leading a lot of news websites. Can you imagine you're the, you're the like the Uber Eats driver who was just geolocated to be in the vicinity when this happened. And the FBI team and the windbreakers and everything show up at your door. That's got to be. And you know, you have nothing to do with like. But that's got to be a heck of a moment.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I will say it's a positive that they've been able to geolocate some people and I guess they probably pulled up who that guy was and tried to photo match him with the information that they have of who was on the front porch. This is also however, a sign of how obsessively the media is covering this. That we know every intricate minute, picayune detail of this investigation that's going on such that. I mean they interviewed last night before I was going to bed. I saw some of this stuff happening on social media. Oh, they've detained someone. Maybe there's a person of interest. I put it on and Then shortly thereafter CNN's interviewing the guy's mom. And I was like, I'm not an expert on, you know, criminal profiling, but when the, when your mom comes out and does an interview and she's like, I, I don't know what's going on here. They're in the house, they're searching. I was like, do we have this audio?

[Clay Travis]

We have. It's cut, cut, cut to woman whose house is being searched for Nancy, Nancy Guthrie. She was like, we got, we got nothing to do with that play too.

[Unidentified Woman (Homeowner)]

They came up telling us that they had somebody gave a tip that the lady was in my house. I don't know her name. That we don't know. We don't know her at all. I don't know who she is. I don't know anything about her. They only said that they gave a tip that she was in my house. And I told them, you can go in and search for house. There's nobody there. I have nothing to buy. There's nobody in my house and I don't know what's going on. I mean getting family members that might know. No, they're, they're, they're investigating it. My son in law, he's not have nothing to do with that either. I don't know else have nothing to do with it either. I don't know what's going. What else to say? Yeah, they're just invading my property. I told him they're going in and out my house, taking a lot of pictures and everything. I mean, like, I told him, we're not hiding anything. I give him permission. If you go in search, there's nothing in the house. You won't find anything, because we don't have nothing to hide.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, if. If you. If you are the person here that they're showing up saying, we have a tip that Nancy Guthrie's in your home, do you just say. Do you go, whatever you want, FBI, just go for it? Or do you say, hold on a second. I need to see a warrant, and I need to speak to a lawyer.

[Buck Sexton]

I would see. Need to. I mean, this is. I'm a lawyer. My first thought would be, somebody's trying to set me up. So I. I don't want. I. I don't want anybody searching my home for anything without a warrant. Because I. I mean, and this. This may be me uniquely being a lawyer and a media figure, but if the FBI shows up banging on my door, even if I know that there's no truth to it at all, like, I mean, you know, Nancy Guthrie's not in my house, but I would be like, what's going on here? Is somebody trying to set me up? I would be nervous about the search process itself and somebody like, you know, basically planting evidence based on what we saw happen to Trump. I. I'm not letting the FBI search my house for anything without a warrant. Even now. Even now with Cash Patel, who I like and know as the FBI director, I am saying, no, sir. And I understand some people are gonna say, well, that seems like you're suspicious, but as a lawyer, I don't want people in my house without warrants, period. I mean, what would you do?

[Clay Travis]

I agree with you in principle, and you are correct on the law. I think if you're this person, you're this. This woman, and it's so hard to be like, excuse me, FBI. Excuse me. I'm going to wait for my attorney. And, you know, I just think that the pressure that somebody would feel. I'm not saying that it's the right move in response to the pressure, but the pressure to just be like, look for anything you want. I don't care.

[Buck Sexton]

Would be, well, most people are going to allow authorities in their house to search even without a warrant because you don't know your full rights. And you just. Because they ask, hey, are you okay? I mean, just, you know, paraphrasing. Are you okay? If we come in and search for so and so, most people don't think to then say, do you have a warrant? Because when you consent to a search, then you've consented. They can come through.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think a lot of cops. I don't know, we could take some talkbacks and some calls from cops and former FBI or current FBI on this. They want to call in. I think that they might start to. They. Again, there's a process as a procedure, but if you're the person, when someone shows up, knocks the door, says, we think that Nancy Guthrie is in your house, and you're like, excuse me, I want it. I want to see a warrant. And, like, I want my attorney present. I. I think that they get even if. My point here is that even though that is lawful and the right thing for someone to do in that circumstance, I think the cops would be like, oh, we might have a problem here.

[Buck Sexton]

I get it.

[Clay Travis]

If I don't have a problem, then it's fine. But I'm just saying, everyone, you're. Now, you go from a person of interest to a person of suspicion pretty fast in that situation. That's all. I just said observation. But Clay is right on the. You don't talk to the. Look, I don't talk to the FBI without it. Without an attorney present. I'll tell you that right now.

[Buck Sexton]

I just go out there, guys too much, try to set traps. Everything else. My first thought is, who set me up? The rules are the rules in the house.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, the rules are the rules. But this isn't like some random FBI guy knocking on your door and a windbreaker like, hey, can we talk about something? This is. We think Nancy. Nancy Guthrie's in your house.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

We are going to be joined by our friend Alex Baronson top of the third hour to talk about weed and how it has taken over the country. Just said a little bit of a preview there. Again, I was reading the New York Times editorial where basically the New York Times says, hey, we got this wrong. We did not know it was going to have the impact that it did. And one of the stats that I've read recently that is most staggering to me was there are more daily users of weed than daily users of alcohol. And that has skyrocketed since we created legalization of weed in a way that.

[Clay Travis]

I don't tell you a theory on that. I have a theory that in an era where people are more image, meaning their own personal image obsessed than ever before, their visual image because of really more Instagram than Facebook. But these things and now Tick tock and, and the revolution in Fitness and GLP1s and all this stuff, alcohol is a really tough thing to have as part of your daily routine if you're going to be fit and lean. I'm just saying it's a lot of calories. I think that's a lot of calories. It slows down your processing of other, you know, it basically messes up your metabolism for the period of time that you're metabolizing the alcohol. And it's a lot of calories. And I think a lot of people are just like, that's something that goes now. Yes, I know people smoke weed and maybe they get the munchies. But I'm just saying alcohol has already been on something of a, of a decline. That's very clear right now, especially with people in their 20s and 30s. So weed has been on the rise though.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

There has continued to be testimony going on in the Epstein case. Pam Bondi testifying on Capitol Hill. Here is my take on this, Buck, you tell me, and this may provoke some reactions. I, I am basically over the Epstein story and some of you are going to say, well, what in the mean, what in the world do you mean associated with this clay? The Epstein civil victims, that is the women who claim that they were victims of Epstein have been paid over a hundred million dollars in civil damages. They keep having all of these press conferences talking about how their victims, if you are a victim of someone, sue them. Give us their names instead. I mean, tell me what I'm missing here. And I, I mean, I look at the. They have press conferences all the time, the Epstein victims do, and they say, oh, we're victims. Oh, we're victims. I say, okay, you were paid out by the Epstein Estate over $100 million. If there are other men who victimized you, sue them. I, I, I don't understand what I mix like to me, if you believe instead of everybody focusing on, well, we got to see the emails. And let me say this, a lot of the people that are in the emails, you can criticize them for continuing to interact with Jeffrey Epstein. A lot of them did nothing wrong. People are ripping Howard Lutnick because he took his wife and kids to visit Epstein's island. Now you can say, I disagree with that. He should have never done it. You can have that take. He took his wife and kids to the island. He wasn't engaging in some sort of criminal sexual acts with his wife and kids there. And remember, everybody says, well, Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted sex offender at that time. Okay, that's accurate. But what he was convicted for was sleeping with a 17 and a half year old as, as Alan Dershowitz came on and talked about on this program. So are you supposed to have no contact with him whatsoever at that point in time? I, I just look at this and it feels like there is a total witch hunt. Everybody's name who's in the Epstein relationship now look, I got no relationship with Epstein. Buck's got no relationship with Epstein.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, every time there' drop, at least you and I could sit here and be like, yeah, we're not in those files.

[Buck Sexton]

We're not in the files. Like I, by the way, not every.

[Clay Travis]

Not. Can I just say I'm not, I'm not, I'm not casting. Well, maybe I am. There are some people in right wing media who very much are in the files. So it's not like, it's not like everyone that you think that you listen to on podcast or radio, whatever is not in the files. Some of them are, but Clay and I, not in the files. Not once.

[Buck Sexton]

No interaction with them at all. And this is again me coming from a legal perspective. And I understand a lot of times lawyers, if you're at least a decent lawyer, you try to solve problems. So if the problem here is that there are still men who committed crimes that have not been held accountable for them, the victims should name them. What am I missing? I, I tweeted this out a little bit ago. People said, well, they signed non disclosure agreements. Let me tell you something. The Epstein estate is not suing victims for naming people that sexually assaulted or raped them, ok? They're not doing that. That is my direct legal representation. And you say, well, a lot of them don't want to go public, okay? But a lot of them do. Because every time I look up on television, they're having another Epstein victim press conference where many of these women are stepping out and suing. I mean talking. And they keep saying, well, we want people prosecuted, we want people prosecuted. You are the victims. If people committed crimes, you are the victims. You have to bring the victimization to light and name your victimizers. Buck, what, what am I missing here, by the way? Open phone lines, 800-282-2882. We got millions of emails out there, people are getting dragged through the mud, some of them for doing nothing other than having business relationships. Like, I don't know what people expect to find at this point. And so again, the women who settled and said they were victims, if there's other men that you believe victimized you, sue them, name them. It feels self evident to me.

[Clay Travis]

This takes me to the beginning of this, which was handled poorly by the DOJ and the FBI from a just public relations perspective. But we told you, I said this, I said this all along. You're not going to find smoking gun criminality in the released files, because then they would be. Then everyone would say, why haven't you charged these individuals? Right. So, so there, I think that there was some expectation that when the release happened, all of a sudden we would know who the criminals were. No, the DOJ has had these. There's no way that they're going to have things that prove or at least allege criminality. And they took no action on that. I mean, that's just unrealistic. Right? So this is why it's the same thing also about. Tell you, with the JFK files, people like the JFK files, when they're released, we're gonna know. I promise you. You're not gonna know. You might get some. You might be more breadcrumbs. And there can be more people doing conspiracy theory podcasts and stuff about it. Fine. But there's not, oh my gosh, it was this guy or he was doing this. That's not how this works. So I don't know, the press conference.

[Buck Sexton]

It just feels like we're going down constant rabbit holes and people are expecting that there's going to be some resolution here. The only way I go to the essence of it, the only way that there could be additional criminal charges brought, is if people who say they are victims share what they say they were victimized doing, who did it to them. And then there's an investigation. Oftentimes civil lawsuits for people out there that are not lawyers, civil lawsuits lead to criminal charges. I mean, the way that Diddy, for instance, ended up in prison was because. What was the woman's name, who. That filed, you know, Cassie, I think, again, I'm. It was like his ex girlfriend. I think it was a woman, a singer named Cassie, if I'm not mistaken. She filed a blockbuster lawsuit accusing Diddy of a variety of sexual crimes. And that's how they ended up charging him with, with, with actual crimes. But it's a civil lawsuit. She was seeking monetary damages because individual Obviously can't bring criminal charges. So what's going on here? I just. If there are going to be charges brought on other individuals, then the alleged victims are going to have to speak out. And if that doesn't happen, it's just a one big distraction. We should mention, by the way, in the files, President Trump in 2006, according to. I believe it was an FBI agent, actually reached out to police and said, thank you for doing something here. And I'm paraphrasing. We all knew that he was a monster and that he was behaving inappropriately.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I mean, Trump. Also, the guy who kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar A Lago Trump, the guy who now we find out, was thanking the police for taking action on him. And the guy who the Democrat media has been desperate to try to dirty up with this thing the whole time, not only is he not dirty, and I've known this just because I also known Trump. I know his family, you know, Trump, we know, like, he just. He wasn't doing any of this. Any of this criminal stuff. He just wasn't. It's very obvious. There's no evidence whatsoever. There's no indication whatsoever. And he actually was a guy who was grossed out by Epstein just by his beat. But to be clear, just by the fact that he was, like, sleazy and slimy at parties.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

It's not that he even knew about the, you know, the underage stuff or the human trafficking or any of that. Trump was just like, this guy's a scumbag. And, you know, there's no credit given this at all. Clay, I'll tell you one thing. Sometimes I'll tweet out something random about, you know, oh, like, look at this Trump policy. It's great. And maniacs will swarm and be like, you're standing up for the pedophile. I'm like, these people are lunatics. They're delusional. Okay? Trump did nothing wrong on this one. And they cannot like Trump's policies that make the economy boom. They have that right as Americans. But to call somebody like a sex criminal because you don't like their politics is really tells you more about the person making the accusation than it does about the person who's done nothing wrong.

[Buck Sexton]

Also, all of that I sign off on. Also, we said. And again, this is something we're going to be proven, I think, 100% right about. I didn't even need to know what was in the Epstein files to know there was no criminal suggestions of Trump behavior of a criminal nature, because they tried to bankrupt and imprison Trump for the rest of his life based on paying $100,000 to Stormy Daniels. And you think Democrats during Joe Biden's administration sat on evidence that would have led to criminal charges for Trump relating to Epstein? I mean, come on, that just doesn't pass the smell test. And oh, by the way, if you really want to dive into the interactions Jeffrey Epstein had with famous and prominent people, overwhelmingly those people tended to be Democrats. So if you really, if you want to make it a Democrat Republican issue on the Epstein files, there's far more left leaning Democrat supporters interacting on a regular basis with Jeffrey Epstein than there are people on the right. So look, I think the story is kind of done every time producer Ali, is it fair to say? I mean, I'm speaking about it right now because Pam Bondi testified on Capitol Hill about them and there continues to be stories out there. Is it fair to say that in this audience, even the die hard Epstein people have largely like just come to recognize that the story is what it is or are they still.

[Clay Travis]

I'll jump in here, Ali, you can tell us, but I don't think so. I think people are still very, very bothered and feel like there's a lot that they don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

I think there is a segment that is very much, still cares about this. Like 5 or 10 of this audience is still obsessed with Epstein. I'd say a little bit more than that. Okay. I don't see it as much as I used to, like in the immediate when Pam Bondi, when the. So I thought I saw it really blow up.

[Clay Travis]

They did bozo, you agree? They did bozo stuff? Yes, in the early days, the binders and stuff. And so everyone who was upset about that and whatever, every right to be, it was bozo stuff. And you know, but then getting mad like I didn't give people a bunch of binders, like, I don't, I don't know what they want me.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, they said it was the most poorly handled part of Trump 2.0. They gave people binders and then Pam Bondi said she had the files on her desk and then they put out an email like, like right before July 4th, if I remember correctly. And they were like, oh, actually there's no more charges coming. There's nobody to be prosecute in the Epstein files. And people lost their minds over that because it was a mishandled story. But now that all the emails are out, now that all the interactions are out, by and large, I just come back around to Again, go to the people who are the victims. This is the people who were paid out by the Epstein estate over a hundred million dollars. Tell us who victimized you. You have the ability to actually tell us who committed the crimes. And if you're not going to do that, then I don't know what you're expecting to come out of the files themselves. If you were victimized, speak out. And they're not. And so the only excuse I've seen is, well, we signed non disclosure agreements with. As part of the payouts that we got.

[Clay Travis]

Didn't Elon say that he would pay the legal bills of. Didn't he. Didn't he share this?

[Buck Sexton]

I think he. I think you may be right about that. But let me tell you this.

[Clay Travis]

I think he said he would pay any of the legal bills of anyone who came forward. And you know, was like a. I think that's what it was.

[Buck Sexton]

Guys, let me tell. Let me tell you this. The Epstein estate is not suing a single person for violating the non disclosure agreements. I would put my legal degree on the line over that. They're not suing anybody. So I don't believe that that is the actual excuse.

[Clay Travis]

Also, by the way, a judge would throw out any NDA that was being.

[Buck Sexton]

Used to cover up criminal. Direct criminal behavior.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. A judge would be like, yeah, no, that NDA is. No, no, no, good. Just like the same way that, you know, there are plenty of things that you can sign and that don't actually. You can't sign yourself into perpetual servitude or slavery in this country. Like, that's not a thing you can do. There's no contract that would be upheld with that.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, the NDA, the person that you're accusing, if it's not Epstein, the NDA cannot protect a third party. Right. So anyway, it's that people who are buying that argument. Because some people dove in my mentions, they're like, well, they have NDAs. That doesn't apply. Tell us who assaulted you instead of making Pam Bondi testify. And instead of.

[Clay Travis]

I have seen people reason Clay, why what you're saying does not hold. And all the other stuff is, is sort of distraction or, or, or delusion. I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

If. If you were victimized by someone, not Epstein, who is dead. Okay. I'm sure these women were victimized by Epstein and they got paid by the Epstein estate. But if somebody not Epstein victimized you, tell everybody.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, we will.

[Clay Travis]

Like we, the American people will back you up.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, tell everybody.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, assuming that they're telling the truth, which you know.

[Buck Sexton]

Get your time in court to prove that this is true. Why? Again, that's the essence if you want more people prosecuted. We know who the victims are, allegedly because they accepted the payments from the Epstein estate. Tell us who else victimized you. They have the story here. It's not going to come from elsewhere. Look, being a victim of online identity theft can turn your life upside down rather quickly. When you learn your credit cards are being used online by someone other than yourself, it's the absolute worst feeling. Your best defense is online identity theft protection from Lifelock. They monitor hundreds of millions of data points every second for identity threats. When they see evidence your name and identity is being used without your permission as a member, they notify you immediately. If you do become a victim of identity theft, you get a restoration specialist at LifeLock who will fix the identity theft, guaranteed or your money back. Join now and save 40% off your first year with my name. Clay. When you sign up online or over the phone, Whichever is easiest, call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online to lifelock.com use promo code Clay for 40 off. That's lifelock.com promo code. Clay.

[Clay Travis]

We're gonna be talking to our friend Alex Baronson here, who is still should be known as really the hero of the COVID madness resistance. And so I will always hold him in a esteem for that. But also, there's a lot of great work on his substack. He does what I think people would call actual journalism, like digging into things and finding truths and unreported truths is his substack. So pretty, pretty clear branding on that. But he'll talk to us about marijuana. And like we were saying before, I think that weed, they. They snuck one in here where a lot of us, even on the right, who have a sort of more, maybe some libertarian leanings on this stuff, even the New York Times is now admitting that now they want to tax the you know what out of it and they want to find ways to just regulate this more. They don't want to ban it. But, Clay, it has been a pretty pretty. The negatives are far more prominent than we were told and the positives are far more limited than we were told. That's really, I think what this comes down to. It feels a little bit like Reagan's 1986amnesty.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, look it. It's. Here's the way I would put it if you told me right now, hey, Clay, your kids are never going to drink alcohol and they're never going to smoke anything, I would be like, sign me up. Right? Sign me up. If you told me your kids can drink alcohol or they can smoke weed, I would prefer my kids drink alcohol. And I don't think I would have said that, Buck. Ten years ago, I think I would have thought, well, weed is actually far more, less of an issue than.

[Clay Travis]

Let's jump into this real quick because Alex, we can have her. This, this is a talk back from William, one of our Houston listeners. This is D. Hit it.

[William (Houston Listener)]

Hey, Clay and Buck. Listen to your show every day. You guys are totally at the lunch on cannabis. The fact that cannabis use is increasing and it's more than alcohol is a really good thing because it's probably a thousand times less toxic, hundred times less harmful overall to health and everything else. So moderate, responsible use of cannabis in adults, not a bad thing at all. You guys are way, way behind the times. Need to wake up.

[Clay Travis]

I respectfully disagree, top to bottom. I think it's really bad and a really bad idea. And we're going to get into that with Alex here in a second. But William, to be clear, respect you, respect you calling in, respect your opinion on this because I know a lot of other people share that. But let's get into some facts, Clay. Let's get into some data and the realities of very widespread cannabis use use in America today.

[Buck Sexton]

No doubt. Alex Baronson next.

[Clay Travis]

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