Hour 2 - Where Do You Draw the Line?

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 – Where Do You Draw the Line?
Date: October 21, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the boundaries of acceptable conduct in public life—especially politics, media, and education—using recent political controversies to explore where to "draw the line" on truth, accountability, and the consequences of speech and behavior. The hosts, with their characteristic blend of sarcasm and cultural critique, challenge the narratives around the Biden administration, discuss public figures' integrity, debate the complexities of free speech versus professional standards, and reflect on the ongoing fallout from pandemic-era leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Biden Administration Memoirs & Legacy

• Karine Jean-Pierre’s Book Tour:
  The hosts react to former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre’s media appearances for her new book, noting her claim to have become “an independent” and questioning the honesty and utility of such memoirs.
  • Clay: "She remains a professional liar." [03:26]
  • Buck: Critiques the trend of administration officials trying to rehabilitate their images via memoir, predicting these attempts won’t succeed—“I don't think that Karine Jean Pierre is going to be welcome in the next White House administration.” [05:32]
• Biden’s Fitness for Office:
  Both hosts openly doubt President Biden’s capability to serve beyond 2025, referencing both his health issues and perceived lack of leadership, with analogies to a "regency period" in monarchies.
  • Clay: “The advisory team around him was clearly running the country. And there’s something deeply dishonest about that that the American people have now come to grips with.” [04:47]
  • Buck: "I'm not even sure he's going to be alive in 2028... Much less could he be President." [03:51]
• Press Accessibility:
  Responding to Jean-Pierre's claim Biden spoke frequently to the press, they refute the assertion.
  • Clay: "He wasn't good off the cuff." [07:10]
  • Buck: "He wasn't doing press conferences." [07:11]
  • Clay: “He didn’t talk very often. And when he did, it wasn’t very good. He sounded very old…" [07:16]

2. Media & Democratic Party Accountability

• Turning on the Biden White House:
  The hosts highlight how figures like Stephen Colbert are now willing to openly question or criticize Biden’s fitness and the White House spokesperson’s spin.
  • Buck: "Stephen Colbert’s calling her out. …usually everybody just kind of, you know, bends the knee, like pretends, 'Oh, you’re a hero…'" [08:24]
• Embarrassment of Ongoing Spin:
  Travis and Sexton argue that continuing to defend Biden has become “embarrassing and shameful” for many in the media and Democratic ranks.
  • Buck: "They've passed the point of being propagandist, and now it is embarrassing and shameful to them…" [11:46]
• Future of the Democratic Party:
  Discussion turns to whether the party can escape the “stench of Biden protectionism,” with implications for potential 2028 candidates.
  • Buck: "Anyone connected to Biden—they lied, they covered up. … That's increasingly becoming even more apparent." [12:55]

3. Free Speech, Cancel Culture & Professional Standards

• Chicago Teacher Controversy:
  The hosts debate whether an elementary school teacher should face consequences for publicly celebrating the assassination of a right-wing public figure.

  • Clay: "There is a morality component to being an elementary school teacher and you can be fired for violating that morality component." [25:19]
  • Listener Brandon (Michigan): "If my kids’ teacher worked at Hooters, I’d probably be more interested in going to conferences and school activities." [26:44]
  • Listener Ken (California): "You can’t be for the First Amendment and boobs and give this teacher criticism over her First Amendment right for expression…" [27:03] The exchange explores distinctions between protected speech and acceptable professional conduct—whether, for example, a teacher can be a stripper, or a public figure can keep a job after “crossing the line.”

• Drawing the Line on Speech:
  Clay and Buck emphasize that the First Amendment protects citizens from government censorship, not professional consequences.

  • Clay: "The First Amendment doesn’t mean that there aren’t consequences for your behavior." [27:33]
  • Buck: "If you started just dropping all kinds of curse words… and [the boss] fired you. You don’t have a First Amendment argument." [29:27] They argue that “leftists” only defend free speech situationally, while the standard is inconsistently applied depending on the cause.

• Comparison to Cancel Culture Cases:
  Referencing controversies involving Jimmy Kimmel, Roseanne, Gina Carano, and Disney, the hosts argue that recent defenses of certain celebrities are inconsistent with past treatment of others on the right.

4. Political Developments in New York City

• NYC Mayoral Race & Party Dynamics:
  Brief assessment of Curtis Sliwa’s prospects in the mayoral race and the role of polls; skepticism about Andrew Cuomo as the city’s “savior” despite his poor leadership during COVID.
  • Buck: “Andrew Cuomo, who was one of the worst governors during COVID is now the savior, supposedly, of New York City.” [22:40]

5. COVID-19, Hypocrisy & Media Revisionism

• Revisiting COVID Narratives:
  Kicks off with the story of Kyrie Irving’s refusal to take the COVID vaccine and public figures’ shifting positions.
  • Buck: "Most people won’t even acknowledge that Kyrie Irving and Aaron Rodgers… were in fact correct." [37:00]
• Hostility to Pandemic Skeptics:
  The hosts recall how critics of pandemic policies were maligned, and commend Stephen A. Smith for now recognizing Irving’s stance.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Biden’s Tenure & Mental Fitness:

  • Clay: “As this cancer treatments and radiation… I hope he is, but I'm not even sure he's going to be alive in 2028. Much less could he be President of the United States until then." [03:51]
  • Buck: "I think actually this ties in with your mom. Donnie, take Buck, which is a lot of these jobs do themselves. ...the legacy of Biden 2020–2024." [04:10]

• On Media Self-Delusion:

  • Buck: “You’re lying about your lie when you say Biden maybe could have done it... You’re lying again. You’re not even coming clean now.” [05:59]
  • Clay: “When Stephen Colbert is cutting you off and basically saying, I’m not even going to allow you to lie to this audience anymore.” [10:07]

• On Democrats' Media Defenders:

  • Buck: "It meant that people like you and I, they can't sit on a panel with us and talk about... they'll get ridiculed... if they try to make the argument that Biden... they know that, Clay. They hate that. And Trump won. So it's a disaster." [10:49]

• On Drawing Lines in Professional Conduct:

  • Clay: “I think most people would not want their kids' elementary school teacher to be a stripper.” [25:19]
  • Listener Ken: “Yes, it's abhorrent. Yes, it's tacky. Yes, it's despicable. Hate speech has still got to be protective speech, whether we like it or not.” [27:03]
  • Clay: “If you are a public school teacher... I don’t think you should be teaching kids if you are going around publicly celebrating... assassination.” [27:33]

• On Pandemic Double Standards:

  • Clay: "You remember... when Kyrie Irving refused to get the COVID shot in Brooklyn, and they wouldn’t allow him to play in the games, but they would allow him to sit in the crowd courtside..." [34:17]
  • Stephen A. Smith: "Now, obviously, in hindsight, the brother (Irving) right, because we see all the conspiracy theories that come out and props to him for... having the foresight to see that we didn't see at the time." [36:06]

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Important Timestamps by Segment

| Time | Segment / Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:26 | Critique of Karine Jean-Pierre, Biden's capacity to serve, and the Biden administration memoirs | | 07:07 | Discussion of media transparency, Biden's lack of press engagement | | 08:24 | Stephen Colbert calling out White House spin, media turning on Biden spokespersons | | 11:46 | Buck: Democrats "passed the point of being propagandist," ongoing embarrassment | | 12:55 | The problem of “Biden protectionism” for future Democratic candidates | | 25:14 | Outrage over Chicago teacher's celebration of assassination, debating boundaries in professional conduct | | 26:38 | Listener feedback (Brandon: Hooters/teachers), expanding discussion on standards | | 27:03 | Listener Ken: defense of speech, pushback on firing the teacher | | 29:27 | Clay on real-world standards for speech in the workplace | | 34:17 | Revisiting pandemic-era hypocrisy: Kyrie Irving's vaccine stance | | 36:06 | Stephen A. Smith reverses stance on Kyrie Irving's refusal to get vaccinated | | 42:48 | Tease of Trump-Putin meeting updates, NYC mayoral analysis, audience participation | | 44:25 | Listener Tammy: double standards in reactions to political assassinations |

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Tone & Style

The episode features the show's characteristic mix of sharp political commentary, sarcasm, and occasional exasperation with contemporary cultural debates. Both hosts riff back and forth, taking live audience reactions, and using real-world examples to probe the fuzziness and perceived double standards in the American public discourse on decency, free speech, and political ethics.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a lively dissection of political accountability, the culture of spin, and the real-world complexities of free speech in high-stakes, high-visibility professions. Clay and Buck use timely examples to illuminate persistent double standards, the dynamics of media enablement, and the perils facing public servants who try to rewrite their histories post-factum.

Transcript

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TRAVIS Buck SEXTON SHOW we are rolling through the program with all of you. President Trump continues to speak in the Rose Garden. He's having a lunch for the Republican senators there. We will update you on any major news that may come out of that. As the shut continues. There continues to be, as Buck has discussed, the 107 days book of Kamala Harris is not necessarily creating a huge stir nationwide. And she's not alone now in having a book about the first term of the Biden administration. In fact, Karine Jean Pierre, we have not talked about her that much, mercifully as she has to a large extent vanished since she stepped down as White House chief spokesperson, as the White House press secretary. But she is doing interviews now for her own book. She now says that she is no longer an a Democrat. She says that she is an independent, um, and in a availability so promoting this book, she said several interesting things that I want to play for you because while she is now no longer White House press secretary, she remains a professional liar. And she first was asked, hey, does Joe Biden, did Joe Biden have the ability to serve as president until 2028, she says, I don't know, basically cut one now.

[Clay Travis]

You know, God love him, we send him our best, but he, you know, has, has cancer. Like the notion that this person was up for being president to 2028, was up for the communications responsibility of this job and fighting.

[Buck Sexton]

No. Well, if you want again, he would have to have been president all the way till 2028. I think that's an absurd thing to suggest that he could have been president. Do you think he could have been President 2028?

[Clay Travis]

Look, I, I, I can't speak today.

[Buck Sexton]

I can't speak to it. I mean, I think it's pretty self. I'm not sure sadly that Joe Biden is even going to be alive in 2028. Buck. I mean, as this cancer treatments and radiation, everything else he's going through, um, I hope he is, but I'm not even sure he's going to be alive in 28. 2028. Much less could he be President of the United States until then. Um, I don't think clearly he was capable of being President of the United States until 2025. We dodged a bullet that, that there wasn't some bigger issue at stake. And I think actually this ties in with your mom. Donnie, take Buck, which is a lot of these jobs do themselves. And so whether or not there is extreme competence at the top, the train keeps on moving no matter who's in charge. And I think that's kind of the legacy of Biden 2020-2024.

[Clay Travis]

You want to talk about no Kings? It's been a long standing historical reality. If you go back into history, you'll see there are plenty of times where in monarchies somebody ascended to the throne who was 8. Yeah. Or 12 or whatever. And usually there is a regency period that they set up. Well, this was something like that under the Biden administration, except it was the very end of his, of his days or his years rather, and not at the beginning of it. But he really wasn't running things in a meaningful sense. The advisory team around him was clearly running the country. And there's something deeply dishonest about that that the American people have now come to grips with. Even Democrats have had to go, oh yeah, that's what we were doing. And this is why I think there's going to be a huge push among Democrats for an entirely fresh start with whatever the next team is going to be. I don't think that Karine Jean Pierre is going to be welcome in the next White House administration. I don't think that any of the top Biden advisers are going to be. I think this is a moment. It's a bit like the way the Bush team and the Bush era really was cleared out from the Republican Party during the Obama years and beyond and obviously the Trump years. So I think you're going to see something like that with, with the Biden, the Biden folks, because her answer here, I always go back and forth. I actually think it's worse to suggest that you are so. Because we could tell from watching him on tv. So if you're around him physically a lot more than you and I are, you're going to tell me that you were that lacking in perception, really that stupid, that you couldn't tell this was going on. That's worse. But it's also a lie. So you're lying about your lie when you say that Biden maybe could have done it or I couldn't tell or whatever. You're lying again. You're not even coming clean now.

[Buck Sexton]

And she's continuing to lie. I wanted to play this because she said when told, Trump speaks way more to the media. And again, Trump has been speaking for basically the whole first hour that we have been on the air right now in the Rose Garden. And here is Karine Jean Pierre saying that's not true. You just didn't pay attention to how often Biden was speaking. Cut three. He talked way less to the press.

[Clay Travis]

Than Donald Trump does. Way less.

[Buck Sexton]

And he wasn't out there at all.

[Clay Travis]

He wasn't good off the cuff.

[Buck Sexton]

He wasn't doing press conferences.

[Clay Travis]

Let's just be real.

[Buck Sexton]

Like he didn't do.

[Clay Travis]

That's not true, Tim. You're conflating all of it. That's what you're. No, you're. First you're telling me he didn't talk well about it. Then you're telling me he didn't talk at all. He didn't do either. He didn't talk very often. And when he did, it wasn't very good. He sounded very old, paying attention to what we were doing at the White House.

[Buck Sexton]

But I paid attention that. I'm with you on the policies.

[Clay Travis]

I'm talking about his performance. The president. The president spoke to the American people a couple times a week. He traveled and did domestic travel and talked directly to the American people.

[Buck Sexton]

This is, I mean, next level lies.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. No, it's not. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. Interesting, isn't it, that they're putting out these Biden administration memoirs and I think These are all, I think these are efforts to rehabilitate the individual image of people like Kamala and Karine Jean Pierre. I also think some, some Biden White House folks, Clay, are seeing this and realizing, I don't think I'm going to write a book because if it's not working for Kamala and Kareem Jean Pierre, you think it's going to work for like Jeff. Was it Jeff Zients? Wasn't he one of the guys who was like a big.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Or John Kirby or all these like, this is, this is how bad it is for Karine Jean Pierre. Stephen Colbert's calling her out. Ste. I haven't even heard this yet, but this is cut five. Colbert is going after Kari Jean Pierre over Biden's mental acuity. This is how bad it is. To your point, Buck, usually everybody just kind of, you know, bends the knee, like pretends, oh, you're a hero. Let's go ahead and let you have your media circuit. Cut five. It's not even happening on Colbert.

[Clay Travis]

Now in a moment of great pressure on stage, we saw someone shock us and worry us and no, nothing could assuage that worry. So I don't think it was necessarily.

[Buck Sexton]

A betrayal of Joe Biden as other.

[Clay Travis]

People saying, we don't think we were shown Joe Biden that you saw, I saw every day a really ugly assault on someone who had 50 plus years of experience and who again objectively had done a good job as president of the United States. And it was heartbreaking to see that type of behavior. I think all of that, everything you're saying, I cannot fault the, the factual basis of what you're saying or your feelings about it. But what happened was, was the debate performance.

[Buck Sexton]

Everything is downstream of that.

[Clay Travis]

And no one is saying that the debate performance wasn't shocking, wasn't a disappointment. No one is saying such a light. I use your words.

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[Buck Sexton]

I mean, when, when, when Stephen Colbert is cutting you off and basically saying, I'm not even going to allow you to lie to this audience anymore.

[Clay Travis]

But this, this actually makes perfect sense because I've said this all along. It's like a principle that I apply to Democrats. So they're never, it never surprises me when this happens. They will remember if they have to embarrass themselves in order to promote the Democrat, you know, they'll remember that that's where they, whether it's journos or former late night, you know, so called Comedy, hosts, all that stuff. And they realized they lit their credibility on fire to protect this guy and Trump became president anyway. Yes, it's One thing in 2020 to have done this, which they all did, because they could always, they could look at their voters, they could look at the Democrats in the eye and say, yeah, guys, the whole point is, you know, we won. Who cares? Whatever lies we had to tell were justified. But this time around, they got caught lying in a way that was embarrassing to them as individuals. It meant that people like you and I, they can't sit on a panel with us and talk about. They'll get ridiculed, they will get smoked if they try to make the argument that Biden, we didn't know that he had the, you know, they know that, Clay. They hate that. And Trump won. So it's a disaster. And really, Karine Jean Pierre going on this book tour, she is in fact, for people like Colbert, just a reminder of the Biden disaster. Same thing with Kamala. Nobody really wants to hear it. They're trying and nobody wants to hear it.

[Buck Sexton]

I think what it is is you hit on it, too. They've passed the point of being propagandist and now it is embarrassing and shameful to them that they would continue to advocate for Joe Biden. And this is why I do think you're right. There's probably a lot of people that worked in the Biden White House that are maybe not going to write books because they're seeing what the reaction is when you come out and try to make the argument that you think Biden did a good job. I would also point this out, and this is the big question, I think going forward, to what extent is the stench of Biden protectionism going to remain a story for Democrats going forward? Because if it is, then it would torpedo Kamala. Mayor Pete, any of the individuals that are hoping that they can advance and be the nominee again in 28. And I wonder behind the scenes whether Gavin Newsom, who is playing all his angles here, is going to try to knock everybody out over this as well. Because anyone connected to Biden, they lied, they covered up. There's no argument. That's increasingly becoming even more apparent.

[Clay Travis]

It's worse than that, though, Clay. They lied and they failed. Yeah, lying is not a problem for Democrats. They lied about Biden in 2020. He was, he was scrambled eggs in 2020. And they caught me flat footed on that one because I was like, guys, come on, it can't be Biden. Sure enough, lying and failing. And that's where I think Gavin Newsom, metaphorically speaking, smells blood in the water on this one. He knows. He knows that the no Kings protesters, they all feel betrayed because they looked like clowns. All of them in their social circles, if they knew a single person who wasn't a Biden voter, they look like idiots in retrospect saying, oh, no, he's fine, he's fine. And then Donald Trump becomes the next president of the United States. Unforgivable.

[Buck Sexton]

And they're still trying to tell the lie. That's maybe the part that surprised me. I'm surprised that KJP just doesn't say, look, we knew Biden was going downhill, but we thought that he was far better than Trump and we didn't want to embolden Trump. Why not just make that argument at this point?

[Clay Travis]

Well, that was why I also found the whole Tapper original sin book. The whole premise is dishonest because we went on this show every day for four years saying, guys, Biden is not.

[Buck Sexton]

Of sound mind and it was self evident. And in fact, they accused us of being liars for even being willing to say it. And then the debate happened and overnight we were all truth tellers.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. So it's, the whole thing just doesn't add up. And it's a continuing. It's an ongoing disaster story for the Democrats politically. And they deserve it. They deserve it. Look, we're living in a time when lies are easy. We're just talking about the lies Democrats tell. And truth is costly. And nowhere is this more devastating than the battle for life. And that's exactly what Natalia faced. Her first reaction to pregnancy was, I've got to get an abortion, because that's the lie she was told. But once she heard the heartbeat of her child, she knew that God wanted her to have her baby and that all things would be possible through him. Natalia chose life and was provided with love, support and resources throughout her pregnancy at preborn clinics. This happens at preborn clinics on average 200 times a day because of support from people just like you, the pro life community moms who are overwhelmed and getting pressure. Well, when they go into a preborn clinic, they suddenly see their child, hear the truth, hear that heartbeat, and they realize they're not alone. Friend. That moment of Truth costs just $28 to sponsor an ultrasound. An ultrasound doubles a baby's chance at life. So now is not the time for silence. It's time for courage. A time for truth. Give now, please, if you can dial pound250 and say the keyword baby that's pound250 say baby or visit preborn.com buck preborn.com buck sponsored by preborn want to.

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When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes or just asked why Benghazi?

[Clay Travis]

The truth became a web of lies.

[Leon Neyfakh]

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

[Buck Sexton]

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

[Leon Neyfakh]

Bad faith, political warfare and frankly, bullshit.

[Clay Travis]

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

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Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

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Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW we have got 13 days until the New York City mayor's race, until the governor's race in New Jersey, until the governor's race in Virginia. And I woke up this morning as one of the few people who still buys print newspapers. And I'm in New York City still flying back home tonight. And the front page of the New York Post book, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, says, just walk away beret. Even allies tell Sliwa to drop mayor bid. Don't let Zoran win. And you know, you grew up in New York City. The tabloids don't have the same impact necessarily that they used to do back in the day. But as the conservative leaning tabloid, when the Post puts the Republican mayor nominee on the front page of the paper and says basically making fun of him, get out of this race. You have no chance of winning. The pressure on, on Sleewa to drop out continues to rise. You grew up in New York City, Buck. Do you think there's any way Curtis Lewa drops out or do you think at this point, 13 days out, it doesn't matter because early voting starts, I think in a few days. If he's not going to drop out in the next couple of days, it's over.

[Clay Travis]

I don't see him dropping out at all. And I see, I see Zoran Mamdani as the next mayor of New York. I'm just basing this on the polls and all of the now can we also just people say, what about the polls with Trump? Polls can be Wrong within three or four points. And in a presidential election that makes all the difference. It's very rare for every single pollster to be wrong by 30 points. Yes, there's a difference. Okay, that.

[Leon Neyfakh]

Just.

[Clay Travis]

Just to get this, because I'm seeing you guys are anointing. Mom, I'm not anointing anything. I'm the one who thinks it's insane that Mamdani could become the mayor of New York. I'm the one who wants to do whatever we can through this election process to make him not the mayor. But unfortunately, the numbers are the numbers. You're Talking about an 8 to 1 Democrat to Republican city and no variation of the numbers coming even close to. To a Cuomo win. Even if rather with. With Curtis Lewis staying in. There's no variation that I've seen that does that. My. The thing that makes me pretty sanguine about it all, Clay. Not as sanguine as you, sir, but sanguine about it all is I don't think Cuomo would be good. Yeah, I. Maybe not insane is not the same thing as good. I think he'd be a very bad mayor in some respects. People keep talking about the COVID thing. He was the no bail, no jail guy. It was Andrew Cuomo who was like, you know what? Let's let that maniac out who just punched the old lady on the subway. Let's let him out. Even though it's the 50th time he's been arrested. Nope, no bail. That's the Cuomo routine.

[Buck Sexton]

This is where blue cities leave themselves with no real option. Andrew Cuomo, who was one of the worst governors during COVID is now the savior, supposedly of New York City. Which is why shining light in a dark room potentially 13 days from now. I think it's going to help Elise Stefanik in the governor's race, and I think it's going to help in the midterms for both the House and the Senate. Look, if you're trying to save some money this holiday season, take advantage of PureTalk's cell phone service pricing. Without a doubt, it's the best value in the wireless biz. The average sized family of four can save over $1,000 a year when they switch from big wireless companies to. To PureTalk. Because PureTalk gives you unlimited talk, text, plenty of Data for just 25 bucks a month on their lightning fast 5G network. Plus right now, they'll take an additional 50% off your first month. That's immediate savings you can take immediate action on. And if you make the switch right now, you can save an additional 50% off in the first month. Here's how you switch. You can keep your same phone number and your same phone. Just say £2. Just dial £250, say Clay and Buck. That's £2 5 0, say Clay and Buck. And you can save up to $1,000. £2, 5 0, say Clay and Buck. Welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW we are going to be in Indiana tomorrow as we span the globe, span the country.

[Clay Travis]

Wayne, baby, Fort Wayne here we come.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. So we are looking forward to seeing many of you at Woe's 100 year celebration. That's a pretty impressive thing. So we're going to be in Fort Wayne, Indiana tomorrow. We're going to be meeting a lot of you in that area. We look forward to that event. And if you are listening to us in that region, well, maybe you will see us as we are rolling through. All right, Buck, you mentioned it. You leave me and you have no idea what might come on. I thought I was making the least controversial argument that's ever taken place. Let me reiterate what happened. This Chicago area teacher, I'm sure you saw the video, Buck, as the no Kings protests were going on, a Trump affiliated car is driving by to Turning Point usa. Driving by. And this elementary school teacher celebrates by putting her hand to her throat as if she is, she's mimicking the Charlie Kirk assassination.

[Clay Travis]

Disgusting.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean really.

[Clay Travis]

And psychotic disgusting stuff.

[Buck Sexton]

And I said as a part of the argument that, look, I'm a free speech guy, but there is a morality component to being an elementary school teacher and you can be fired for violating that morality component. And as an example, as an example, I said, for instance, I think most people would not want their kids elementary school teacher to be a stripper. And I can't believe it. But we have been, we have been deluged by people that actually disagreed with me. So here we have a wide variety. Some of them are very funny. But I thought we could play some of these, some of these talkbacks. And Brandon, I also said, by the way, that there's a middle ground, right? Where if you worked as a waiter or waitress at Applebee's, I think that you could clearly probably have both jobs, right? A lot of teachers have multiple jobs. Maybe you work in the summer when you're out of school. And I said but Hooters might be a more of a middle ground, right? Like where people could agree or disagree. But Brandon in Michigan says he'd go to a lot More school activities if his kids teacher also worked at Hooters. This is BB Brandon weighing in.

[Clay Travis]

Travis. I'm just going to say, if my kids teacher worked at Hooters, I'd probably.

[Buck Sexton]

Be a lot more interested in going.

[Clay Travis]

To conferences and going to school activities.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, thank you, Brandon. And then Ken in California, he's fired up at me. I'm the. My opinion that you can't be a stripper in an elementary school teacher. He's mad. He says, hey, Clay, you're wrong.

[Clay Travis]

Cc, you know, you can't be for the first amendment and boobs and give this teacher criticism over her first amendment right for expression. Yes, it's abhorrent. Yes, it's tacky. Yes, it's despicable. Hate speech has still got to be protective speech, whether we like it or not. And I don't like it, but she did it and it's not against the law.

[Leon Neyfakh]

I this.

[Clay Travis]

I'm gone for one hour.

[Buck Sexton]

I know you have the keys to.

[Clay Travis]

The car solo and our entire inbox today is about boobs. And.

[Buck Sexton]

But I mean, I am of the opinion. I said this on the show. I think, Buck, you would sign off like if we employed someone on the Clay and Buck show that celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. I believe in the first amendment. The first amendment doesn't mean that there aren't consequences for your behavior. And if you are a public school teacher, elementary school, I don't think you should be teaching kids if you are going around publicly celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. That's my opinion. I wouldn't want my third grader. I wouldn't want to walk in there and know that she had been at a no Kings Protestant doing celebratory gestures having to do with Charlie Kirk's murder because that would influence her teaching.

[Clay Travis]

To all the people who are saying this about that teacher, for example, these are. It's always situational with leftists. They want what they want, how they want it when they want it. There's no principle, there's no rule that we can all be held to. And I just give you this. If Jimmy Kimmel or this teacher had. Had been shouting a racial slur, a racial slur that you're never allowed to say, would we be hearing about free speech arguments? Would. Would they be saying, oh, but you know, it's free speech. You're. You're allowed to say that. No, you're not.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

So where is the line here? The line is what is abhorrent to the people that you are either serving in the case of a teacher, the community you're serving. Or to a very unfunny late night talk show host who's representing a broader corporate brand. And this is true of anybody, I might add. You don't make. You don't get to make a free speech argument. If you walked into Initech while you're working for Lumberg and you told Lumberg what you really think of him. When he's like, would you come in and work on Saturday?

[Buck Sexton]

Great movie.

[Clay Travis]

And you started great movie. And you started just dropping all kinds of curse words and telling him what you really think of him and his stupid suspenders and the whole thing. And he fired you. You don't have a First Amendment argument. I just feel like people intentionally confuse this thing now where you are entitled. If you are advancing leftist ideology in some capacity. The First Amendment means you have an ironclad right to not be fired from your job or have there be any consequences for it. Then people say, well, what about when the cancel culture stuff. The cancel culture stuff was unreasonable and irrational firing of people for saying entirely valid and normal and things that half the country agrees with.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. And look again, I think that public school, elementary school teachers, which are being funded by all of our taxpayers. I don't think it's a too high of a standard of behavior to expect that you're not going to be in public celebrating a public assassination of a figure. And so I think if you did that and Rachel Maddow had gotten shot. And you were a super right winger, which I don't think people would even really celebrate it. The consequence, on the same side, you shouldn't be celebrating political assassinations and making a living teaching young kids. I don't think that's a crazy.

[Clay Travis]

Anybody who's defending anybody who is. I don't mean anyone who is defending this particular teacher who made this, this abhorrent gesture. If, if, if that teacher had walked, you know, if that teacher was walking the streets with a, you know, George Floyd got what he deserved. He was a convicted felon, drug addict, you know, written on her teacher. Would any of them be making the case that, you know, that's okay, free speech? No, they would not. Yes, they would all be saying, oh, but it's the racism and, and the bad things. And they can't be corrupting the mind of the youth and all this other stuff that. So this is why I found the Jimmy Kimmel argument, which ties into this too, just absurd on its face. It's like he said something that pissed off a Lot of people. He doesn't have a First Amendment right to keep that job that he has forever. There are a million things. Not only do we have FCC regulations here on radio, there are a million things that if either of us said, we get into a lot of trouble. Yeah, really, it's, you know, have you betrayed your audience. Right. Or have you betrayed a large enough portion of your audience with what you've said or outraged them with what you've said that you cease to be able to function as somebody who they can trust and who is still a viable show? Well, I mean, this is the real. What was happening on the other side and the cancel culture wars was people were. Were creating a fiction that there was outrage at somebody this happened to Rush. Outrage at somebody for something that was said, and then there were actions taken based on the lie that this was actually so outrageous.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, look, I think if you went back in time and you were looking at the Jimmy Kimmel thing, the FCC weighing in, I think actually made it a bigger story than it would have been if nobody had weighed in at all on the government level. Because then they said, oh, well, this is government pressure and coercion. Look, the reality is he missed four days and now he's back on the air, and there is virtually no discussion about this.

[Leon Neyfakh]

But if you.

[Clay Travis]

But that also tells you there was no real fear of government coercion because they wouldn't have just put him on the air a few days later. So that was a pretext.

[Buck Sexton]

The whole thing was. Again, that's why I said if you didn't say anything about Roseanne or Gina Carano when they were canceled at Disney, which almost no one did, we talked about that quite a lot. Then I don't understand how you decide that Jimmy Kimmel is the line in the sand that you will draw. I mean, the ACLU getting involved in everybody else. But yes, your bigger picture point is an important one. The government restricting your speech is what you should be concerned about. That's actually what Alex Berenson's lawsuit, which I think is still pending, is about, because that's what Joe Biden did. Joe Biden went to Facebook and he went to Twitter and He went to YouTube and they threatened. They said, if you don't take down these posts that we don't like relating to Covid, there's going to be a punishment. And now everybody suddenly is circling around and saying what you and I said for a long time. Which brings me to cut 28. You remember Buck in New York City when Kyrie Irving refused to get the COVID shot in Brooklyn, and they wouldn't allow him to play in the games, but they would allow him to sit in the crowd courtside. Do you remember that absurdity of COVID They wouldn't let him play in the game, but they would allow him to sit on the court and watch the games. That was the line that they were drawing at that point in time.

[Clay Travis]

I remember being in line for the Columbus Circle, New York City, Whole Foods peak pandemic time, and they were enforcing with. With Prussian efficiency, six feet of distancing between people standing in the line.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

And then you got into the place, you got into the Whole Foods, and it was absolutely mobbed with people like, shoulder to shoulder in all the aisles and everything. You know, unlimited time to shop, do whatever you want to do. So outside, where you actually cannot spread the virus, in open air, in open air, six feet of distancing inside, shoulder to shoulder with worthless masks on. And, you know, there is. This is all you need to know about. Somebody is a public figure, as a leader, as a commentator. How were they during COVID It was the stress test in all these respects. Which just brings me full circle to Cuomo. He was awful. He was as bad as Gavin Newsom. He was as bad as Gretchen Whitmer. He was absolutely terrible. In fact, I think you could argue he was the worst because he really set the tone of panic and authoritarianism alongside it that then all these other states followed because New York got hit first.

[Buck Sexton]

And here to close out, to tie in all of this as the story has altered, Stephen A. Smith, ESPN's most prominent employee, now says, hey, Kyrie Irving was right. He should have never taken the COVID shot. And they came after Kyrie Irving. They came after Aaron Rodgers. They came after everybody who was in athletics that refused. And I do give a little bit of credit to Stephen A. Because he's now pointing out that. That Kyrie was right, whereas most people out there are still saying nothing at all. Cut 28.

[NFL Network Announcer]

Kyrie's a good brother. We used to butt heads because he missed work too damn much. And I'm like, yo, man, this brother's electrifying. I want to see this brother dancing on a basketball court. I want to hear no about no COVID vaccine. Get your ass on the court. I ain't see you. Now, obviously, in hindsight, the brother, right, because we see all the conspiracy theories that come out and props to him for look, for. For seeing, for. For having the foresight to see that we didn't See that at the time. And then. But you also, I have to understand, I'm living in a world where you got cats making 38, 40, 45 million. You got GMs and owners complaining about it, and you got billionaires looking me in the face and saying, yo, Stephen A, I that damn vaccine. Who the hell are they not to take the vaccine? And we're living in a country where the government was imposing all of that on us. So I'm sitting there going like this. We all taking the risk. Kyrie said no, props to him, but I didn't view it that way.

[Buck Sexton]

So he was right. Most people won't even acknowledge that Kyrie Irving and Aaron Rodgers and other prominent athletes who said, I'm not going to get the COVID shot were in fact correct. But it's just one of very many things that, to your point, Andrew Cuomo, who is now supposed to be the savior of New York, was 1 billion percent wrong on.

[Clay Travis]

He was terrible. This is why I can't get that energized about the anything to defeat. I think Sliwa probably feels this way too. I haven't heard him say this, but we're supposed to go and break out, you know, and break the glass, do anything we can to so that Andrew Cuomo can be the mayor.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, he's horrible. Yes, I get it. I think he. I think he hates Cuomo. By the way, we are right here I am in the New York City studio with our team and producer Ali is wearing her cozy earth cashmere sweater because she says that we keep it too cold in the studio here, I gotta be honest, we have these cozy earth bamboo sheets. I don't know if you have them on your beds yet, Buck. They're unbelievable.

[Clay Travis]

They are so we got them on the baby crib too.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Fireworks in the fourth quarter.

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[Leon Neyfakh]

When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked why Benghazi?

[Clay Travis]

The truth became a web of lies.

[Leon Neyfakh]

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

[Buck Sexton]

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

[Leon Neyfakh]

Bad faith, political warfare and frankly, bullshit.

[Clay Travis]

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

[Leon Neyfakh]

Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

[Buck Sexton]

Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.

[Leon Neyfakh]

I'm Leon Naifak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco Benghazi.

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[Clay Travis]

Yeah, that's right. Lock her up.

[Leon Neyfakh]

Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in here to Clay Anne Buck, Trump just finished speaking. We're gonna bring you some of the most important takeaways from that coming up here in a few minutes time. Also, we've got some updates on the Trump Putin meeting that was supposed to happen as well as a whole range of other things coming out of that conversation. So we shall be diving into that and we also be taking more of your calls and your talkbacks, perhaps more analysis of the New York City mayoral situation and want to tell you to drink some Crockett coffee. In the meantime, I'm going to go down and get a cup of Crockett coffee. Speed is being a little bit fussy. He's probably trying to remind me, daddy, you need some Crockett coffee right now or else you will become fussy, which nobody likes. When Daddy is fussy, that is bad. And when he doesn't have enough caffeine because he doesn't have enough Crockett, then that's definitely bad. Go to crockettcoffee.com please subscribe. We've got Clay's book coming out next month, my book coming out in January. We're going to have some special deals for our Crockett subscribers there and other exciting things going on, including fantastic gear. Get yourself a Crockett hat. We got Crockett trucker hats for our truckers out there. And with that we have some where I was going to do a talk back, a VIP email actually. How this is from Tammy Clay. What if the teacher celebrated the assassination of Martin Luther King? How would it be any different? We cannot have this in our society. This is not hate speech. This is terroristic in nature, has no place around children. You can't say one political assassination is good and righteous while the other is evil. There's no such thing as justified political assassination.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's well said. Yeah, I think that's really well said. And again, they haven't fired her. She still is employed, according to the team, as a Chicago public school teacher. So she is still molding the minds of young people all over the Chicago area. Can you trust trust her to be honest and forthright? I do not believe so.

[Clay Travis]

Podcast listener JJ KK on the talkbacks play it.

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I'm a retired Dade county detective.

[Clay Travis]

I, I worked vice down in Miami back in the 80s and I once arrested a hooker, a call girl who.

[NFL Network Announcer]

Was actually a teacher in the daytime. So yeah, dancers, that's nice compared to what I encountered.

[Clay Travis]

Well, can I just say, Clay, this guy was actually Miami Vice.

[Buck Sexton]

Ah, yes, Crockett Tubbs.

[NFL Network Announcer]

The NFL International games continue on NFL Network. And here our stars come out in the morning.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's go.

[NFL Network Announcer]

Week 10, Bajan Robinson and the Falcons take on Daniel Jones and the Colts in Berlin.

[Clay Travis]

Fireworks in the fourth quarter.

[NFL Network Announcer]

Then in week 11, Jaden Daniels and the Commanders face Tua and the Dolphins in Madrid. Snooze off. Game on. It's Sunday morning Football continues November 9th at 9:30 Eastern only on NFL Network.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Who's a good boy?

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

The truth became a web of lies.

[Leon Neyfakh]

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