Hour 2 - Where is Nancy Guthrie?

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - Where is Nancy Guthrie?
Date: February 3, 2026
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton | iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This hour of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" centers on several headline topics: the public release and implications of the Jeffrey Epstein case files, the mysterious disappearance of NBC anchor Savannah Guthrie’s mother (Nancy Guthrie), and cultural commentary about celebrity virtue signaling (notably Billie Eilish at the Grammys) and the current state of American pop music. The hosts blend humor with critique while taking listener calls to discuss and dissect these stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jeffrey Epstein Document Dump: What Did We Learn?

(00:04–13:32)

• Final Take on the Epstein Files

  • Clay opens with thoughts on the recent revelation of over 3 million Epstein-related documents, stating, "it feels to me like the Epstein story is basically over." (00:24)
  • He summarizes Epstein’s method: "He ingratiated himself into all of these circles... lots of young attractive women and lots of old rich guys who were interested in meeting young attractive women." (01:28)
  • Observes that celebrities weren’t involved: "There’s almost... no musician, no actor, no famous people that were interacting with Jeffrey Epstein. My bet... because famous people have easy access to attractive women." (02:05)

• No Smoking Gun, Only Reputational Damage

  • Buck notes, "I don't think [Dr. Peter] Attia’s name had ever come up in any of the stuff before at all," then addresses the non-criminal but embarrassing nature of many email revelations (03:49).
  • On transparency: “If you’re writing things that are embarrassing, that have nothing to do with a criminal enterprise, why should that all be made public under normal circumstances?” (05:13)
  • Distinction between criminality and unseemliness: “There’s nothing even vaguely criminal about that. It’s 100% legal and always will be and always should be, I might add.” (09:37)

• On Remaining Conspiracy Theories

  • Buck: "There will be people that never believe there's been enough transparency... The DOJ or FBI are going to say, we've released what we have. That's it." (06:56)
  • Both agree that, at this stage, further revelations are unlikely barring new evidence.

• Memorable Quotes

  • Clay: “If being scummy were a crime, most of Congress would be in prison.” (11:32)
  • Buck: “The cleanup that happened of really damaging information and... any other tapes, the surveillance, any of, if there was a blackmail operation operating here... that stuff got wiped a long time ago.” (12:36)

2. Listener Call: Ghislaine Maxwell and Prosecution in the Epstein Scandal

(15:13–17:13)

• Retired Law Enforcement Caller, Bob in Idaho

  • Expresses skepticism about real answers in released government files: "I can't believe anybody would think there would be anything in those files that our government would have allowed in the files."
  • Wonders: "How was Maxwell convicted of trafficking underage girls when nobody else was?"
  • Buck clarifies: "She trafficked for Epstein. She ran and recruited underage girls and brought them to Jeffrey Epstein." (16:06)

• Buck’s CIA Maxim

  • “If it were there, we would know about it... most secrets only stay secret for... a little while.” (16:33)

3. Developing: Savannah Guthrie’s Mother Missing

(19:13–23:32)

• Details on Nancy Guthrie’s Disappearance
  • Clay shares, "The mother of Savannah Guthrie, her name is Nancy Guthrie. She is 84 years old in Arizona... There are reports of blood and abductions here..." (19:46)
  • Suggests this is unlikely to be tied to Savannah’s public profile: "I just don’t think Savannah Guthrie is so famous that everybody would know... I'm just not sure that this is in any way actually connected to Savannah Guthrie." (19:58)
  • Buck draws connection to Michael Jordan’s father’s random murder: “Terrible things can happen to the family members of famous people too...” (20:45)
  • Clay (correcting info): “She does not have dementia. She has physical limitations... she can’t go very far. But her mind is all totally there.” (23:19)

4. Celebrity Virtue Signaling & the Grammys: Billie Eilish’s “Stolen Land” Moment

(23:32–26:11)

• Billie Eilish’s Grammy Speech
  • Billie: “No one is illegal on stolen land.”
  • Clay critiques: “If your land is stolen, the nicest thing you could do is actually give it back. And Billie Eilish lives in a multimillion dollar Los Angeles mansion...” (24:09)
  • Reports the Tongva tribe’s demand to return her home: “They are asking Billie Eilish to turn title to her mansion back over to the Tongva tribe..." (24:44)
  • Buck (skeptical): “I have a feeling she's going to hang on to that mansion and not think twice about it.” (26:11)

5. The State of Music & Pop Culture

(26:11–31:59)

• Cultural Decline in Music

  • Buck: “I think the state of music today in America is absolutely abysmal. Absolutely abysmal. Everything is auto tuned, everything is overproduced...” (27:16)
  • Cites Ben Domenech on X, agreeing pop music has declined even more than movies.

• Why the Decline?

  • Clay: “Great art requires risk... everyone’s afraid of being targeted on social media.” (28:03)
  • Buck points to economics and the end of the “garage band” dream: “You don’t have the same aspiration... the bands that are touring are parents’ bands. Bruce Springsteen, The Rolling Stones...” (28:40)

• Musical Nostalgia

  • Clay argues, “The 90s was the last time when there was great original music...” (31:01)
  • Buck: “Top music acts in the 90s were global superstars with tremendous cultural resonance...” (31:59)

• Debating Taylor Swift’s Legacy

  • Buck: “Even Taylor Swift... girls are not going to be listening to Taylor Swift songs in 20, 30 years. It’s forgettable stuff.”
  • Clay: “You’re 100% wrong on that. I give Taylor Swift credit. She’s got awful politics. She writes her own songs. She produces a new album every two years.” (32:53)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Epstein Scandal:

  • “There’s nothing even vaguely criminal about that. It’s 100% legal and always will be and always should be, I might add.” — Buck, (09:37)
  • "It feels to me like the Epstein story is basically over." — Clay, (00:24)
  • “If being scummy were a crime, most of Congress would be in prison.” — Clay, (11:32)

• On Government Secrecy:

  • "Most secrets only stay secret for... a little while.” — Buck, (16:33)

• On Celebrity Virtue Signaling:

  • “If your land is stolen, the nicest thing you could do is actually give it back.” — Clay, (24:09)
  • “I have a feeling she's going to hang on to that mansion and not think twice about it.” — Buck, (26:11)

• On Pop Culture Decline:

  • “I think the state of music today in America is absolutely abysmal. Everything is auto tuned, everything is overproduced.” — Buck, (27:16)
  • “Great art requires risk... everyone’s afraid of being targeted on social media.” — Clay, (28:03)
  • “The 90s was the last time when there was great original music being produced.” — Clay, (31:01)
  • “Girls are not going to be listening to Taylor Swift songs in 20, 30 years. It’s forgettable stuff.” — Buck, (32:53)
  • “You’re 100% wrong on that... She writes her own songs.” — Clay, (32:53)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Epstein Revelations Wrap-Up – 00:04–13:32
• Listener Call on Ghislaine Maxwell – 15:13–17:13
• Savannah Guthrie’s Mother Missing – 19:13–23:32
• Billie Eilish & “Stolen Land” at the Grammys – 23:32–26:11
• State of American Pop Music – 26:11–31:59
• Taylor Swift/Beatles Debate Tease & Show End – 33:02–36:47

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Tone and Style

The hosts’ tone is conversational, opinionated, and irreverent, moving easily from serious cultural analysis into more playful pop-culture banter. There’s a consistent thread of skepticism about mainstream narratives, with both hosts unafraid to joke at the expense of celebrities or politicians. Listener engagement is strong, and opinions are sharply (but humorously) stated.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• The major revelation is consensus from both hosts: the Epstein story has likely reached its conclusion–there’s no new bombshell.
• The disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, while grabbing headlines, is probably more tragic coincidence than high-profile targeted crime, but remains deeply concerning.
• Celebrity grandstanding is called out with irony and wit, especially regarding Billie Eilish and “stolen land.”
• They bemoan the state of modern culture, particularly music, seeing the ’90s as a last great epoch and debating the legacy of Taylor Swift vs. The Beatles.
• The episode ends with a classic Clay–Buck tease and a promotion for Buck’s new book—but keeps focus on news, opinions, and pop culture that matter to their audience.

Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

[B]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck walked back into a hornet's nest here. I'm going to dive into a topic here. In addition to the fun of Billie Eilish being on stolen land and the seriousness of the $2 million verdict by a New York jury for a young minor who got gender transition surgery. That's in quotation marks. That's not real. But we will discuss that. Buck. I did want to put a bow on this. And by the way, 800-282-2882 in the wake of the 3 million plus pages of Epstein revelations, it feels to me like the Epstein story is basically over. And even for the 5 or 10% of the audience out there, that is the most focused on this Epstein story. And I think the Trump administration, as we have said many times, did not handle this well in the first year. But there is a bit of breaking news out there. Bill and Hillary Clinton are going to testify in front of Congress to avoid potential charges for defying a congressional subpoena on two different days at the end of February. I jotted down the 26th and the 27th. It might have been the 27th and the 28th, but two days at the end of February. And I'm curious if you co sign on to this and certainly you guys can react as I did a ton of reading yesterday to make sure that I basically had read everything under the sun about the Epstein revelation and make sure that I wasn't missing anything. Effectively, it appears to me, based on all of these emails, that Jeffrey Epstein had access because of the work that he did with Ghislaine Maxwell to lots of young attractive women and lots of old rich guys were interested in meeting young attractive women. And Epstein used that as the lever to get access to all of these older rich men who otherwise didn't have access to young attractive women. And that was the way in which he ingratiated himself into all of these circles. I did think it was interesting. I'm out in la. There's almost Buck no one who is famous, right? No musician, no actor, no famous people that were interacting with Jeffrey Epstein. My bet on that is because famous people have easy access to attractive women. And, and really the game plan of Jeffrey Epstein was I'm going to use all these young attractive women to get access to primarily these old rich guys. And that was the name of the game. And he leveraged that to be able to make lots of money. Now, whether there were intelligence agencies in any way involved, blackmail The New York Times actually had a great write up of how Jeffrey Epstein made a lot of his money. Much of it comes through Lex Wexner, who was the founder of Victoria's Secret. But I actually think this story is becoming less and less complicated the more emails come out. This was a guy who was a pervert and had access to lots of young women. And there were a lot of men in powerful positions who were very wealthy that wanted access to those young women. And Jeffrey Epstein exploited that for those purposes. Do you cosign to most of that? Is there anything else that has leapt out to you from these 3 million documents that have been revealed?

[A]

It's a tough week for Peter Attia. Yeah, that, that, that definitely he. I did not, and I will tell you this, I don't think his name had ever come up in any of the stuff before at all. So he was one of these people who all of a sudden we go, oh, buddies with again, no, no allegation of criminal wrongdoing in any of this stuff. And that's obviously why they're. And he has been very. Dr. Attia has been very vociferous in that he knew nothing about Epstein trafficking underage girls and that he, you know, had no. I mean, of course this is what he's saying. This is what you would expect him to say. And I will just say though, the brand damage that some people are suffering as a result of this is really, we say brand reputational damage people are suffering from this is substantial. There were a lot of people who minimized their contact with Epstein and now because really non criminal email activity coming out has shown. And so this made you sort of wonder, why was there the hesitation to release a lot of this stuff? Well, the FBI, in the course of an investigation will get a lot of information and if it has nothing to do with criminality, it generally does not just release everything that they find. Right. And that's, I think, overall a good thing. There's, there's clear reason for this. You shouldn't be, you know, if you're, you know, if you're writing things that would just be kind of, again, non criminal. Another. But if you're writing things that are embarrassing, that have nothing to do with a criminal enterprise, why should that all be made public under normal circumstances? In this case, the public demanded, and for very good reason, a much broader transparency than you would get in a standard FBI investigation because of the reasons that we could spend hours and hours talking about when it comes to Epstein. So, yeah, I think that there are People that are more damaged by reputationally than I anticipated, meaning new names. It's one thing if somebody's already in there. The. The reality here, I think, is there will be people that never believe that there's been enough transparency, or rather that we've gotten the real answers. And I can understand that. I can understand that mindset. And I think that what, what now at this point, the FBI or the DOJ are going to say, we've released what we have. That's it. So I don't know what else you or I could do in terms of advocating for more transparency or anything else. And I will say this wasn't smoking gun. What we said all along is true. There's nothing in these emails that on a standalone basis, you could bring beyond a reasonable doubt criminal charges against anybody involved in. If there were, they probably would have brought those charges. Right. This is why it was somewhat established, I think, in advance that there might be people that look scummy, but looking scummy is not a crime, or else we'd have to throw most of Congress in prison, and that's where we are. So I think, Clay, maybe this brings a new phase, at least into the discussion. People will analyze this. They'll believe that there are a lot of connections that have been covered up. And I don't disagree with that, but I just don't know what else we can find that would shed the light on it that people want at this point. Does that, does that make sense? There is.

[B]

I think it's over. And look, I'm open. You guys can give us talkbacks. You can call in. Like, I did what I consider to be a pretty deep dive yesterday to make sure that I had looked at every different angle. And I think, again, this story, to me, based on all these emails coming out, is the story of a guy who got rich by having access to a lot of young, attractive girls. And there were a lot of old, rich guys that did not have access to young, attractive girls that were willing to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein because he would, you know, you'd go to a dinner and there were a bunch of pretty girls there. That's what a lot of these emails show.

[A]

Well, when you're saying, you know, this, this is where I do think some. We have to be clear, when you're saying access to young girls, would you. You know, because that's girls you're really talking about. I think a lot of these individuals who are not charged with. And there's no allegation out there by any of the women, by any of the women against, you know, numerous individuals, which I think is really, it'd be one thing if we had some of the women who, you know, who are abused, who are underage, saying this guy did this or that guy, you know, that and then can we prove it? It's another thing to say there's no, you know, because you have to be fair to people here. Epstein, this is a position that might, Epstein did interact with human beings who did nothing wrong and knew nothing about it. You know, that is a reality too.

[B]

When I'm, I'm saying older of age girls, right now we're Talking about people.

[A]

18, a lot of guys. This is, this is the key, the key difference. Sorry, I diverted there. But yes, you're saying what I wanted to say, which is that it's one thing for a guy, you know, who is a powerful rich guy to say, Epstein, he's got the Rolodex with all the over 18 Victoria's Secret models that.

[B]

I want to meet that 24 year old smoke and I'm 60 years old and otherwise, there's no way that I'm going to meet him. I'm saying that's what a lot of these emails look like to me.

[A]

Yes, that's. And that's. Now you can say, you know, age gap and that is 100%, you know, if 24 year old Victoria's Secret model, a lot of guys in their 50s and 60s, if they had a chance, you know, again, that's, this is the.

[B]

There'S, you can, you can judge that as much as you can, you can.

[A]

Judge that as well. There's nothing even vaguely criminal about that. It's 100% legal and always will be and always should be, I might add. There's nothing criminal about that. These are people who are adults, they are of age, of consent, everything is fine. So you can say it's, you know, it's like you could say it's unseemly, but you know, being rude to the maid is unseemly. We don't lock people up for that.

[B]

Right. So that's why to me, when I saw these emails, it's interesting, Epstein didn't really have celebrity friends. Right. And I'm talking about there weren't a lot of Hollywood people, there weren't a lot of musicians, they weren't actors, actresses that he was involved with. They were super rich. Guys tended to be older. And again, to me it feels like he would have a party and you would go to it. And there were eight Gorgeous models there and five old dudes. And he took advantage of being able to provide those kind of environments. That's what all of it read like to me.

[A]

Well, let's unpack that for a second. Celebrities don't, you know, if you're a top Hollywood actor, you know, you don't need Epstein.

[B]

You meet plenty of pretty girls and.

[A]

Of age, Victoria's Secret model or whatever. You know, again, we're being very clear. We're talking about women in their 20s. Let's just make it that clear. Women in their 20s. Epstein had access to women in their 20s, Les Wexner, the Victoria's Secret brand and others. But, but normal, you know, guys who are 30s, 40s, even into their 50s, who are successful and famous in any capacity, they don't need, you know, Johnny.

[B]

Depp doesn't need Jeffrey Epstein to meet girls. But if you're 60, if you're, if.

[A]

You'Re a 60 year old kind of, you know, if you're like a Reid Hoffman looking guy, he's in the flowers a lot. Reid Hoffman, you know, and I'm just saying this guy probably needed, you know, I don't know, he's not a guy that you would think would have an easy time with the ladies is all I'm saying.

[B]

Who is in the, who is in the emails was super rich guys that are probably socially awkward that are having trouble meeting women of age and they used Epstein and Epstein used them in order to meet attractive women. That's what stood out to me. Again, you guys out there, if I'm missing something, if Buck is missing something, then, then let us know. But it feels to me by and large like this story is. It's Bill Gates, right? It's Bill Gates who needs help meeting chicks. It's Reid Huff. And by the way, a lot of these people, very rich Democrat donors, A lot of these rich, supposedly super super. They have amazing media. Oh, what a hero all these guys are. Oh, they're so great. You're like, ah, they actually seem pretty scummy in the emails with Epstein. But again, to your point, if being scummy were a crime, most of Congress would be in prison. And, and so to me it kind of stood out. That's what jumped out at me. I'm glad the emails are out now. It doesn't feel to me like there's anything else really.

[A]

The cleanup that happened of, of really damaging information and, or any other tapes, the surveillance, any of, if there was a blackmail operation operating here, which I still believe was at least a Part of this that's been gone for a long time, which we've said here, I mean that. That's my assessment, is that that stuff got wiped a long time ago. And so now you have what you have. I'm not saying it answers all the questions. I'm not saying it's. It shows you everything that should be shown. I'm just saying I don't see where the other. Where the next phase of demand for transparency is. Is going to go at this stage. I mean, you know, if there was something else that I thought we have to release. What else is going to be released now?

[B]

I think we're.

[A]

We're where we. Where we are on this one.

[B]

So.

[A]

So. But I'm sure some of you would disagree and you will let us know that because you are not shy about talking about when you disagree with us. And if I can just pivot for something far less serious for a moment here, Clay, before I actually get into a serious read, but far less serious, we have to have a fulsome discussion about this mustache.

[B]

I can tell when you're looking at me on video. Even I sometimes am looking.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Let's get some calls. Let's get some calls. Bob in Idaho wants to talk. Talk. What's up, Bob? Retired law enforcement officer, escape from California. And so my take on the whole thing is I can't believe anybody would think there would be anything in those files that our government would have allowed in. The files. Similar to jfk. Did people really think there was going to be a smoking gun? It blows me away that people even are that naive. However, I don't understand how Maxwell was convicted of trafficking underage girls right when nobody else.

[B]

Sorry to cut you off. She trafficked for Epstein. That's what she was convicted of. She ran and recruited underage girls and brought them to Jeffrey Epstein. Then he engaged in, you know, sexual acts with them.

[A]

Okay, so she was convicted of. Just between Jeffrey and her and trafficking for Jeffrey. Other, not other people. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, Bob, thanks for calling in, but Bob raised the point. I just want to say, I don't know if there's like a Buck Maxim, but I say this a lot. It's like, guys, if it were there, we would know about it. And this comes from my time in the CIA. Trust me. If something's like, really amazing as a piece of information, I say amazing, like, as in it would give amazement. You go, oh, my gosh. The revelation, the eureka. Very, very hard to keep that stuff secret when everybody wants to know the problem. Most secrets only stay secret for. You're just trying to keep it secret long enough that you can get. I'm talking about now on the intelligence side of things, intelligence community. Clay, you're just trying to keep it under wraps as long as you can until it gets out, because eventually it's going to get out.

[B]

Yeah. And that's what your argument has been. For instance, with the JFK files. Everything else, you guys can load up phones. We don't have any guests today. 800-282-2882. If we're missing something, let us know. But I have done a lot of reading on this, and to me, the story, the conversation we just had is the essence of this story.

[A]

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[B]

She hasn't had a lot of experience with the stash because I did it on Sunday and then I headed out to California. She was listening earlier. If she's listening now, she can give a talk back. I will say when I walked in in the house having first produced the stash, she erupted in laughter, which I don't know if that's good or bad, look, but I do know it's good to save up to $1,000 on your cell phone bill. And all you have to do is go to your phones right now and type in pound two five zero, say clay and buck, and you can save up to $1,000 over the course of 2026 for you and your family. How much difference could $1,000 mean to your budget? Probably quite a lot. You can keep your same phone, you can keep your same phone number. But all you need to do £2 5 0, say Clay and Buck join Pure Talk. I use it to stay in touch with my 18 and 15 year old. It saves me a bundle. It can save you a Bundle as well. £2.50, say Clay and Buck. Welcome back in Clay Travis, BUCK SEXTON SHOW One story that we have not covered very much that at the top of most of the newscast right now, and I want to give you this update. The mother of Savannah Guthrie, her name is Nancy Guthrie. She is 84 years old in Arizona. We have a big audience listening to us in Arizona. The sheriff is going to give an update on this story. Savannah Guthrie is a host on the Today Show. I'm sure many of you are familiar with her. Buck, I have read a decent amount about this. It's a very strange story. My take, and I don't know if you would sign off on this as well, is that Savannah Guthrie is not so famous that I would think most people would know who Savannah Guthrie's mom is. And so as there are reports of blood and abductions here, I don't know if this is just she's a victim and it has nothing to do at all with Savannah Guthrie. I think the reason it has caught a lot of attention is because there is a connection to Savannah Guthrie. But again, I could be wrong here. I just don't think Savannah Guthrie is so famous that everybody would know. If you told me J.D. vance's mom was abducted, I would say, okay, you know, if you told me that there were there are certain people that I would say, well, there's no way that's coincidental. And I'm just not sure that this is in any way actually connected to Savannah Guthrie. Does that make sense? I mean, it.

[A]

I mean, and I. Look, I hope that they find Savannah Guthrie's mother unharmed and that the perpetrators are punished the fullest extent of the law. The first thing that my brain went to, though, when I read this is remember the. Just heartbreaking story of Michael Jordan's dad.

[B]

Yes. I thought the same thing.

[A]

Just. Yeah. Someone who's Savannah Guthrie is not quite as known globally as Michael Jordan was. Michael Jordan was, I think, pre Trump, Michael Jordan might have become the most famous person on the planet for a period of time. I think he probably was the most recognizable, most famous, you know, sports icon, but really cultural icon. His dad was, if memory serves, napping in his car, like, taking a. Taking a. Basically a snooze. And people woke him up to carjack him and shot him in the chest, killed him. Totally. Just horrific random act of violence. I think both those guys got life in prison, the two that did the carjacking. But, you know, terrible things can happen to the family and members of famous people, too. And this is when you're talking about a woman with dementia. 83, you said Clay. Is that rich? I think.

[B]

84. I think they're putting the details up about her right now. 5, 5 foot 5, 150 pounds, they say. Last seen on January 31st and again in Arizona. And they're about to have a press conference. Sorry to cut you off, but the. Just the photos are everywhere, and certainly a lot of you are listening in the Arizona area. And if. Keep your eyes open. Obviously we want something not negative to come out associated with this story. But, yes, to your point, Jordan's dad was murdered. And it appears to have nothing to do with the fact that Michael Jordan.

[A]

This is what I mean, totally random. Just happened to be the son of one of. One of the most famous people on the planet. And I think this woman, Savannah Guthrie's mother, happened to be the mother of one of the most famous broadcasters around in America today. Look, I. Like I said, I hope that they find her. But the indicators here. To say it's highly concerning is an understatement. You know, someone's being abducted, there's blood. We'll see. All you can do is pray and hope that they find her somewhere. You always have that possibility that the kidnappers or the abductors, maybe they figured out who her daughter was and realized this is a bad idea. Hopeful that they would have realized it's a bad idea and just, you know, left her at a bus stop somewhere, you know, who knows. But right now it's highly concerning is all you can all you can say about the facts as they have been presented.

[B]

So that press conference has not yet started but I wanted to make sure that we gave you the latest on that and we will be running on that press conference for the sheriff's updates on Nancy Guthrie.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry. She does not have dementia. She has physical limitations. Pardon me. I read somewhere that she had some disability but she has physical limitations in her movement so she can't go very far. But her mind is all totally there.

[B]

Last seen January 31st. If you are listening to us in Arizona, certainly keep your eyes peeled there as that is where she has disappeared. And again, we will update you on what the latest is here shortly. Much less serious. I'm out in Los Angeles, Buck. So I thought that this was, this is very funny and I thought we could have some fun with this. The Grammy awards were insanely woke as one might imagine. And we talked about that quite a lot yesterday. And maybe the wokest part of the entire Grammy Awards was when Billie Eilish singer got up and said no one is illegal on stolen land. Here is that cut, I believe cut 31 from Sunday night at the Grammys. I love you so much. I feel so honored every time I get to be in this room. And as grateful as I feel, I honestly don't feel like I need to say anything but that no one is illegal on stolen land. All right, Buck, I had some fun with this yesterday on the show and I pointed out, hey, if your land is stolen, the nicest thing you could do is actually give it back. And Billie Eilish lives in a multimillion dollar Los Angeles mansion. She had just one song of the year. So this is very funny. The Tongva tribe not familiar with their work. The Tongva tribe says in the they used to have the LA area. Great place to be living if you were a tribe, by the way, I would imagine, you know, nice land in. They say Billie Eilish is living in a mansion built on their ancestral land. As the first people of the greater loss. This is the Tongva tribe in a statement to Fox News. As the first people of the greater Los Angeles basin, we do understand that her home is situated in our ancestral land. Eilish has not contacted our tribe directly regarding our property. They are asking. It's really funny. Good for them. They're asking Billie Eilish to turn title to her mansion back over to the Tongva tribe because she is living on their stolen land. Buck, do you think that Billie Eilish, who won song of the year and was so fast to say no one is illegal when we're living on stolen land. Why is Billie Eilish not willing to turn back over her multimillion dollar mansion? I will say too, there are lots of footage, lots of drones of this, this property of hers. Now she stepped really in it. To my knowledge she has not commented since they have demanded their land back.

[A]

We'll have to just wait and see. I have a feeling she's going to hang on to that mansion and not think twice about it. Clay, one thing that I was thinking about with the Grammys was that I think the state of get ready for it. You ready to get off my lawn? Everybody. You ready to get off my lawn? I think the state Speaking of stolen land, the state of music today in this country in general. Don't tell me oh I love this band or oh, but what about this country? I don't know anything about country music. I, I, I know I know more about college SEC football coaches than I do about country music. So don't, don't come at me with the country music. Clay's like, yeah, it's actually true. Who is the guy that you're like, you don't know who that is? Morgan Wallen. Oh yeah. Because like Morgan Wallen I'm like is that a rum.

[B]

Knowing Pat Summerall and Morgan Wallen is a very different universes. But yeah, Morgan Wallen is one of the only artists in the, in the world frankly that could sell out stadiums all all around the country.

[A]

And now I celebrate his whole catalog including the throwing the chair off the roof apparently. Anyway, I think the state of music today in America is absolutely abysmal. Absolutely abysmal. I think that the stuff that people are first of all, everything is auto tuned, everything is overproduced. There's nothing that's I think music has got people complain about and hat tip. Ben Dominich has said something like this on X and I liked it. I think he's totally right. But I've been thinking this for that's why I like this tweet. I've been thinking this for a long time now. Movies have gotten bad. I think you might be able to argue that like pop music is even worse than like the descent of Pop music is even worse than the descent of of movies over the last what.

[B]

Do you attribute that to? Because I think it's certainly true. Is it so movies. I think it's that everybody got afraid of being targeted on social media. So I think the same thing is true for novels. All of a sudden if you make a joke that the wrong person is offended by or you try to write a book, if you're a white person, that's from the perspective of someone other than a white person. It's. Oh, cultural appropriation. Is it just a culture of fear in taking risk? And everybody so afraid of being targeted in a social media era that, I mean, great art requires risk would be my big picture argument.

[A]

I think the, I think the economics of it have, have changed a lot. I think that, I think that it's far, for most people, it's far less lucrative and far less of a dream to be an even just a successful band today than it was before. I just, I just think, think about this in the 90s when you want you maybe, and maybe this is a Gen X millennial thing more than anything else, but the whole notion of the garage band, that you want to get together with your buddies, you're going to have a. You're going to get together, you're going to play rock and roll and maybe you'll play it like the school dance and then maybe you'll play at a local venue and then somebody will sign you to some big record label and all this stuff, this is, this is all gone. This doesn't really exist the same way and you don't have the same aspiration. I don't think people think of rock stars with anywhere near the same. First of all, if you look at the biggest touring acts in the world today, for the most part, with the exception of like a Taylor Swift and I can't speak to again, I know nothing about the contemporary hip hop scene. I know nothing about it. So just put that aside too. I don't know about country music, I don't know about hip hop. But Clay, you look at the bands that are touring, there are parents bands.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of them are.

[A]

It's. It's Bruce Springsteen, the most overrated music act of all time. It's the beat, not the Beatles.

[B]

Sorry, Rolling Stones.

[A]

Yeah, the Rolling Stones. That's what I meant. The Rolling Stones, the other ones. These bands are still touring. I mean, they're rolling these guys out there with oxygen tanks attached to them. It's crazy. And these are the bands that are still like, you know, doing sellout and everything else. So I, I think that it's very obvious the music industry isn't what it used to be. And I'll just say this, you know, I Look forward to introducing my son when he gets old enough to. I don't care who you are. If you have any appreciation for music and you hear like a great AC DC riff or, you know, even some of the music we play on the show as our, as our rejoin music. Like that Tears for Fear song which I love, which was my number two behind our, our theme song to be the theme song on this show. Rule the World. Those are in 50 years. People like, that's a great song.

[B]

There's.

[A]

There's the music that's being made over the last 10, 15 years. No one's gonna be like, that's a great song. They're gonna be like, what is that? Someone make that with a synthesizer in the room by themselves. It's bizarre.

[B]

I would argue, and I'm gonna get people fired up now. The 90s was the last time when there was great original music being produced across the different band of audio, right? So you had, I would argue, the peak of rock, meaning diversity of rock was incredible in the 90s. Rap, I would argue, actually by far peaked in the late 90s. If you go look at all the different rap artists, you could actually understand what a rap artist did back then. My sons listen to rap now. It's all this mumble core stuff. You can't hear anything the guys are saying. I mean, it's absurd. You go back and look at R and B, which I think is mostly overrated, but all of it peaked in the late 90s in terms of the diversity of music. You go back and look at all of the different bands that put out great music. And since then it's collapsed. And by the way, it's also collapsed in movies. There's nothing funny that's being produced in movies anymore. I think because they're all afraid.

[A]

On the music thing though, Clay top music acts in the 90s were global superstars with tremendous cultural resonance. And remember, like U2, which now in retrospect, I actually would put it. I listened to a lot of U2 in high school, so I'm guilty of this too. And some of you are going to boo me for saying this. Kind of overrated. A lot of the songs kind of sound the same. But U2 was sort of like Coldplay before there was Coldplay, but they used to travel. They'd meet with the Pope and they meet with the head of the UN and everyone's oh, and music. And music's going to save the world. The Live Aid and all these different things that would go on. The cultural impact of the contemporary music scene 20, 20 years ago and earlier dwarfs what we have today by far. And honestly, even Taylor Swift, she's super successful. I'm telling you this right now. I'm calling my shot. Girls are not going to be listening to Taylor swift songs in 20, 30 years. It's forgettable stuff. Most you're.

[B]

You're 100% wrong on that. I give Taylor Swift credit. She's got awful politics. She writes her own songs. She produces a new album every two years.

[A]

I'm not saying she's not super talented. What's okay, Clay, what's the I'm going to put him on the side.

[B]

I'm not good.

[A]

Okay, Mr. Mustache, what's the best Taylor Swift song you're going to tell us we come back from this break?

[B]

I'll do that. And I guarantee you that all the girls listening to Taylor Swift now will be rocking out to it when they're 70. By the way, serious press conference underway. We'll give you the latest on the Savannah Guthrie investigation as well. But I want to tell you Cozy Earth right now. Spend the Valentine's Day in bed with Cozy Earth PJs. Right now. They have a buy one, get one free deal on the bamboo fabric pajama sets. They are awesome. Put two in the cart and when you type in Clay Bogo, one of them is free again. Two PJs just in time for Valentine's Day. One for your wife, one for your mom, one for both your girlfriends. Get hooked up right now. Bogo. What better thing could you do than give both your girlfriends the exact same Valentine's Day gift? What a romantic man you are. Go online to cozyearth.com use my name and the Bogo term. That's Clay Bogo. To get these PJs for someone you love and get a post purchase survey. Tell them you heard about Cozy Earth right here on Clay and Buck one more time. Go check them out. These PJs are awesome. You get two for the price of one. Cozyearth.com Code Clay Bogo News you can count on. And some laughs too.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Something that I needed to tell you guys about that I didn't tell you about before. It's very exciting. At Clay Suggestion. I also have a mustache. Just kidding. At Clay Suggestion. I just want to see if you'd go to our YouTube channel. I recorded the audiobook of Manufacturing Delusion myself and it will also. It is also available for preorder right now. The book comes out in two weeks, my friends. February 17th. Two weeks. Manufacturing delusion. I need you guys to not wait though. It's a little bit like opening weekend at the movies. It's all about that first week and it's all about the pre orders leading into the first week. The book is awesome. Okay, there's really cool stuff. I talk in the beginning about my first, my first CIA mission, which was to Nigeria of all places, which you have not heard me talk about much here before on the show or at all, really. I've never talked about on the air before. Some crazy stuff going on over there back in the day. And then I talk about Iraq, I talk about Afghanistan, I talk about NYPD intelligence division. But more importantly, I talk about how the forces of the left and totalitarianism brainwash you. And truly use the tactics of mind control that you would teach to a, to a intelligence officer, that you would use for a cult, that you would use for Stalinist indoctrination camp. They're using some of these tactics and that's what the book is all about. So please go get a copy. Great for you. Great for your kids. And if you want the audiobook, audiobook narrated by yours truly. So if you like this voice of mine, you will be able to have it all read to you, which I think is very, very exciting stuff. Now, Clay, thank you for letting me do the shameless plug. Mr. Clay, your. Oh, I was gonna say this isn't a mustache question. The best Taylor Swift song. I'm just gonna. Clay, tell me, tell everyone what you said to me in the break about Taylor Swift.

[B]

I think she's the modern day version of the Beatles. And when we come back, this is gonna be quite the tease. I will give you my favorite Taylor Swift songs. I'll make an even stronger argument about the Beatles and much more. Seriously, what is the latest on the story of Savannah Guthrie's mother and big jury trial in New York? All that.

[A]

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