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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
It is Ryan here and I have a question for you. What do you do when you win? Like, are you a fist pumper?
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Clay Travis
A Woo hooer?
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Buck Sexton
A hand clapper?
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. Lotta news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't wanna live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.
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Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.
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Dennis Black
How about something about a comedic tone?
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Jack Armstrong
We have a winner. Yes, listen to Armstrong and Getty. Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
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Ron Johnson
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane. I can't begin to tell you please.
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Buck Sexton
To hear the whole story. Listen to Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jack Armstrong
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast.
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Joe Getty
Welcome back in Clay Travis, BUCK SEXTON show so many different moving stories over the weekend that we are chasing here with all of you on Monday with the bright the Biden health situation is such a huge story. We talked about it the whole first hour at so an hour from now we're going to have part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. Also fox news contributor Dr. Nicole Sapphire to analyze this from a doc doctor perspective what she thinks of Biden's health. We bring in now. I was texting with him on Friday. He was listening to Buck as I was trying to get to the airport. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, in addition to everything else going on, the biggest thing on Capitol Hill right now is the so called big beautiful bill which is trying to be passed at some point between now and Memorial Day is understanding. You were hearing the discussion about the budget. You've been really outspoken and I think, frankly, right. Senator Johnson with us now from Wisconsin about the fact that we basically are embedding the Biden budget in this new one and the COVID spending, instead of being ratcheted back down, is now a part of the American budget going forward. But I want you to lay that out because I think it's a very cogent argument and it's one that this audience needs to hear.
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Ron Johnson
Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. As I said, my Wall Street Journal column, too often the reality of these budget debates get obscured in minor details, politically charged issues and demagoguery. And that's what's going on right now. Listen, I'm a big supporter of President Trump. I could not be happier with how boldly, decisively, swiftly he's acting to honor the promises made. But the problem is, I have to be honest, the big beautiful bill, it's just mislabeled. I would think the number one goal of any of this Republican budget reconciliation would be to not increase the deficit. That'd be the first goal. You know, we should start bending the spending curve down. We should start reducing the projected debt. But that's not what's happening. So again, we lose sight of the big picture, lose sight of the forest for really arguing over twigs and leaves. And so let me just kind of lay out the reality. First of all, you have to understand how the increase in spending from 2019 to this year is unprecedented except under World War II, which by the way, we return to a pre war level spending by 1948, actually below where we were from the start of the war. So it's possible if you have responsible leadership. But again, unprecedented level from 4.4 trillion or better way to put that $4,400 billion over $7,000 billion dollars. That's a 58% increase in the last six years. Completely unprecedented. Now I always use the analogy of a family, no family. If they had an illness and they had to borrow $50,000 to pay off those medical bills, if that family member got well, they wouldn't keep borrowing that money and spending at that level. But that's exactly what we've done. So we have a once in a lifet opportunity to address this unprecedented level of increase in spending. And we're not doing it. We're doing the same old thing. And as you said too, we're literally codifying what we all ran said. We're going to repeal and replace Obamacare. We're not talking about Medicaid here. Nobody wants to reduce benefits for the disabled and the people that Medicaid was designed for. What we're addressing is how Obamacare, the Medicaid expansion for single working age, able bodied, childless adults, they get paid 90 cents on the dollar by the federal government, which is causing all kinds of abuse at the state level. Basically state stealing from the federal government, not checking eligibility, allowing illegal immigrants to get Medicaid, putting at risk the Medicaid for those children. So the whole SALT debate, the green new scam, none of these things are being addressed honestly. And if you really look at it, look at the numbers and I look at the numbers, we will actually increase the deficit over the next 10 years going from right now $37 trillion in debt. CBO says we'll be at 59. My guess, we probably increase that by about $4 trillion with the big new.
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Joe Getty
Deal.
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Ron Johnson
The big beautiful bill that puts it 62 to 63 trillion dollars. Again, you have to be honest. And by the way, I know Buck at the end of the show, or I think you might have asked me this last time, what are you going to cut? It's impossible to say, you know, Medicaid absolutely have to go after that. But what you need is a process. We've never had a process to control spending in the federal government. We don't have a budget balanced budget requirement. I didn't realize that the appropriation committees were actually established because the authorizing committees were big spenders. Well, that didn't work. The Budget act didn't work. Simpson Bowles didn't work. The Budget Control act didn't work. So what I've been proposing is what Doge has shown us how to do. You have to do the work. You have to go line by line, contract by contract, through over a couple thousand lines of the federal budget, the entire budget. And I have to believe, and having gone from 4400 billion to 7000 billion dollars, that you will find hundreds of billions of dollars of spending that if you eliminate it, nobody would even notice other than the grifters who are sucking at the public trough. They're sucking down that waste, fraud and abuse. So you got to go through that process, the work, passing a big beautiful bill by the end of this week. We haven't gone through the work. We're doing the same old thing, exempt almost every program, look at a few things that's not painful enough. Nobody even noticed that. Let's have all the savings toward the tail end of the, of the budget period, clap our hands, say we did a good job. No, this is completely inadequate understanding. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to get it right. Let's take the time. By the way, the way you do it is split it up this way. John Thune, the Senate always wanted to, at this point, I think he's, whatever this House sends us, we need to skinny it up, provide the border funding, the defense funding, take a lot of their spending reductions. You know, use what the House did, at least 100, 850. That was the Senate resolution. Extend the current tax law, take an automatic tax increase off the table, give President Trump debt ceiling relief, but not $5 trillion. Let's, let's keep a little pressure on so we can come back and do it, do another iteration of this, not only using the 2025 budget, but probably also the fiscal 2026 for further reconciliations. You've got to do this in multiple steps. You can't do it one big step. Because if we do that, we won't come back and we will blow in our once in a lifetime opportunity.
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Clay Travis
Well, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us as always. And I guess just there's a frustration that I think I have and I'm sure I'm not alone here, which is that you're telling us all of this and everything that you are saying makes sense and certainly is, along with what we have been told needs to happen numerically, mathematically, like this is. And that's, I think, at the heart of Doge and at the heart of a big part of what was promised with this new administration would be we're going to, we're going to tackle this and do what is necessary based on the numbers so that we don't head off of a, of a fiscal cliff. And yet, you know, the White House, I was watching this morning, the press conference, White House seems to love the bill, thinks it's a huge step forward, and it's fantastic. So, I mean, I have to ask, where's the, where's the disconnect here? And how is this, how is it possible? You're telling us the work's not being done, the cuts aren't being made, and there's far too much of a debt increase here. Meanwhile, the White House and certainly a lot of other Republicans are saying, this is amazing. This is moving us forward. Like, where is the, just where is that disconnect? Explain to me how that's possible.
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Ron Johnson
Well, it's the difference between rhetoric and reality. So the reality is that the House says, oh, we're going to cut 1.5 trillion. Sounds like a lot, but that's 150 billion. That take us from over 7 trillion to just under $7 trillion. Okay. I don't, I know that the people that voted for Trump wanted to defeat the deep state, defeat the deep state by funding it at Biden's levels. So, again, the numbers just don't add up. According to CBO, we'll add $22 trillion to the debt over the next 10 years. That's $2.2 trillion per year of deficit spending. And we're going to add to that with a big, new, beautiful bill. So, again, that is the reality. The other stuff is all rhetoric. Washington runs on rhetoric. That's why we're $37 trillion in debt. And this is the way it's always done. You know, package everything into some really big bill so that you force people who don't want an automatic tax increase, who don't want to see a default on the debt to vote for something that is completely inadequate. And that's how you force it through. So you break it up. You do it in the things we first agree on the border defense, take as many spending reductions as the House has already identified, bank that extend the current tax law, give President Trump a smaller increase in debt ceiling, then you can come back. There's plenty of reasons to come back. President Trump's tax priorities. We're going to have to come back because the debt ceiling hasn't been raised for four years, by the way. Just Just extend the debt ceiling into the beginning of next year will probably require some, some something like two and a half to $3 trillion. That ought to shock everybody. We have to stop whistling by the graveyard here.
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Joe Getty
We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. You're a business guy, and unfortunately there are not that many business guys in, in Congress in general, certainly almost none on the, on the Democrat side. What do you expect to see? We're at 37, $38 trillion national debt right now. If, as these numbers continue to go, we're talking about 75, $100 trillion in the next generation, I don't think those are crazy numbers. The debt becomes a higher and higher part. Paying interest on the debt becomes a higher and higher part, to say nothing of Social Security, Medicare, all of those things. At what point does this era of you can always keep borrowing. Do we run into a wa. Are we already there? And is that one of the lessons the bond market is giving us? This is getting in the weeds a little bit. But you know that where it really hits people is you can't get a low rate on your mortgage, your insurance rates, your interest rates on cars and on your credit cards. I mean, it's just not coming back down like maybe we thought it would.
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Ron Johnson
Well, the fact that a dollar you held in 2019 is only worth 80 cents, that's certainly an indication of, not quite as noticeable of a debt crisis. The real danger is when the US Dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency. And you know, the BRIC countries are trying to replace the dollar as the reserve currency. More and more global trade is being done in those currencies. And why is that important is if we're not the world's reserve currency, if we just can't keep printing money, we're all sudden going to be subject to global debt markets. And again, it's not a good sign that Moody's now is the third credit agency that's downgraded our credit rating. That's not a good sign. That ought to wake people up. But when that happens, all of a sudden, creditors around the world go, hmm, yeah, I'll loan some more money, but not at that interest rate. We've already got interest now exceeding a trillion dollars a year more than we spent on defense over the next 10 years, about $14 trillion. Just interest on the debt. Of the $89 trillion going to spend 14 trillion is just on interest. It buys nothing. It's just paying off. Irresponsible government basically is there.
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Clay Travis
You know, I know you're you Senate types don't like to name names among your colleagues, especially on your own side. But Senator Johnson, I just. As you're telling us this, you're laying this out. Are the Senate Republicans, who don't care, it seems, about what you're laying out, unaware of it, or do they just like to make sure all the piggies stay at the trough and it's not their problem?
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Ron Johnson
So three years ago, when we were debating on the spending bill, I asked my Senate colleagues, hey, anybody know how much we spent in total last year? Nobody answered. I went out to the Washington press corps, asked the same question. Somebody said, well, it's over $1 trillion now. That's just discretionary spend. That's only 25% of our budget. Nobody knew because we never talk about it, okay? We're the largest financial entity in the world. We're supposedly the 535 members of the board of directors, and nobody knew in total how much we spend. Again, we never discussed it. We only appropriate the 25 cent of the budget. Everything else is on automatic pilot. And by the way, that's one of the devious things the unit party has done. They've shifted what should be discretionary spending into other mandatory. When I talk about, and this is something else I had to reveal, I'm providing all this information to my colleagues now. We went from $642 billion of other mandatory not Social Security, not Medicare, not even Medicaid, from about 642 in 2019 up to about $1.3 trillion two years ago. It's still over a trillion dollars now, just in that alone. You take a look at how much we increased spending above and beyond 2019, plus up for inflation, population growth, that'd be a reasonable control, right? There's literally hundreds of billions of dollars that we've increased spending beyond that control. So that's, that's why you have to go line by line. That's how you do it in business. You have a budget review panel. That's where I propose Senators, House members, members of omb, bring up these department heads with their budget gurus, go line by line, justify this. Why is this spending line so much more above 2019 level, plus inflation and population growth? Yet you have to do the work Doge has shown us. And by the way, the point being made, that has to be made, it's great. I mean, I love what Doge has done. It's identified, it exposes. It's also exposed how clueless and oblivious Congress is to the waste fraud and abuse. But how do we bank those? How do we codify it? We haven't gotten a rescission package out of this administration yet. They've talked about a 9,000,100. Apparently that's already been tanked because we haven't got it. I mean you have to at some point in time codify what Doge is identifying on their website got turned into law. You got to end the spending and we're not doing it.
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Joe Getty
Senator Ron Johnson, we appreciate you. You always have an open forum here with our audience. They love you. We appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for filling us in.
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Ron Johnson
Thanks for the opportunity. Take care.
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Joe Getty
For sure. I love Senator Ron Johnson because that whole discussion buck, I even started to smile, laugh a little bit to myself. I'm just picturing Ron Johnson being like, this is what it would be like if you were his kid and you came home and the credit card bill was not in any way defensible. Right? Kid goes off to college and dad looks at the credit card bill. Dad is just going line by line, just utterly disgusted. You spent this on an Uber. You couldn't have gotten pizza cheaper than this. Like it is. It is just the ultimate American dad budget analysis. And you know what? He's right about virtually everything he's saying, as your dad was often right when he was going through all your spending when you were a young knucklehead kid. If your gutters have leaves, branches, or in my case, wiffle balls, you're gonna have a mess on your hands if you don't clean them out. But if you're anything like me, you're probably procrastinating. Not that excited about getting up on a ladder and walking around on your roof. But a clean gutter will clear the way out for a carefree summer. Whether you're tired of unclogging your gutters or don't want an older family member getting on a ladder, it's time for a better solution. Right now, save up to 30% off@leaffilter.com Clayandbuck Gutter Flag Gutter clogs aren't just a nuisance. They can cause extensive water damage. Let Leaffilters trusted pro help protect your home from flooding, foundation issues and more. They'll clean out, realign, seal your gutters before installing Leaffilter's award winning patented technology, America's number one gutter protection system. Schedule your free inspection. Get up to 30% off your entire purchase at leaffilter.com clayandbuck that's L eafilter.com clayandbuck Buck see the representative for warranty details.
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Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.
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Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy.
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Dennis Black
Modern world about something about a comedic tone.
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Jack Armstrong
We have a winner.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Jack Armstrong
Listen to Armstrong, you geti on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
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Dennis Black
Did you make a mistake in sending.
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Jack Armstrong
Arms to Tehran, sir?
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Joe Getty
No.
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Dennis Black
No one was letting me.
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Buck Sexton
It became known as the Iran Contra.
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Ron Johnson
Affair, and I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second, I'm going to ask.
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Buck Sexton
I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Ron Johnson
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
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Clay Travis
Please do.
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Buck Sexton
To hear the whole story. Listen to Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Just real quick, I wanted you to hear from. Oh no, we actually don't have time for Clay. I have to hear from the White House later about the big beautiful bill because the clock has. We have Jay Feely who is running for Congress. You're going to be introducing this fellow next. I remember him very high rating when I used to play the Madden PlayStation game as a kicker. So, so I was, I was appreciative of how much he helped my team.
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Joe Getty
He is a great former kicker now running in the 5th congressional district to replace Andy Biggs who is running for governor. We'll update you on all that in the great state of Arizona when we come back.
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Joe Getty
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we head out to the state of Arizona what's gonna be a major battleground as it always has been the past several cycles but certainly in 2026 opportunity to replace the governor there. Big battle going on over who the representative will be and wanting to go to D.C. friend of the show Jay Feely Arizona's 5th congressional district Jay Feely many of you know played in the NFL 14 years has been also 10 years as an NFL analyst with CBS and what's this stat is pretty cool stat. Pat Summerall is the only kicker to be in the broadcast booth more than you doing NFL games is that I mean everybody knows Pat Summerall is the legendary co host of John Madden back in the day but also a lot of people don't realize this. Pat Summerall, father of Susie Wiles who is now the chief of staff in Trump Administration 2.0. Tying it all together there for you, Jay.
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Jay Feely
Yeah, just an honor to be even mentioned with Pat Summerall because he is such a legend and, you know, very cool to see what Susie is doing with President Trump and how respected she is. You know, we've gotten to know each other a couple times with St. Jude because I've done a lot with St. Jude. I had a niece of mine who has gone twice to St. Jude Hospital to have surgery on her cancer, and they were amazing to her, and so I've supported them and Susie has as well. So they give away the Pat Summerall Award every year. But excited for my opportunity to run for office, I just felt like this was the time I had said no for a few years. And to be honest and candid, I love my job. I love doing NFL games and calling games and being in the booth and getting to do all the production meetings and sit down with coaches and players and work for five months and then having seven months off, but really felt called. My wife and I did that this was the time for us to serve our country.
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Clay Travis
Jay, thank you for being on the show and appreciate that you've decided that you are, or you have been called, perhaps a better way of putting it, to put your hat in the ring to be a member of our illustrious, well, Congress. Some days it's illustrious, some days we feel like it's letting us down a little bit. But we know you'll do a great job if you get there, and it's all looking good for you in that respect so far.
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Joe Getty
How do you feel?
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Clay Travis
Where do you fit in, or what's your put it? I'll put it this way. What is your relationship to Maga, Jay, and the movement that has become really the leadership, the tip of the spear for the Republican Party?
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Jay Feely
Well, I've supported President Trump for a long time, ever since he first ran for office. We got to know each other when I was with the jets, playing for the jets, and he wasn't running for office yet himself. We were just doing some charity events together with his foundation. And, you know, I really was impressed with just who he was and his willingness to serve. He didn't have to run for office. You know, he's wealthy and rich and famous and doing his TV shows. And he decided that he wanted to try to make this country better, similar to what I feel. And I think, you know, the things that we believe in economically, free markets and less taxes and equal opportunity and limited government, the need to balance the budget, you know, those are all things that I want to try to do and be an advocate for in Congress.
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Joe Getty
Jay, I'm curious in your experience, Trump 1.0, you said you were a Trump guy. It was the case that if you were in sports media, people wanted you to keep your head down and not acknowledge that you were a Trump guy. Trump 2.0 now Politico's got a huge story about it today. The sports world loves Trump. What do you think has changed? Do you think it's just a function of people are being more honest now? Do you think it was the Biden term was so bad? You've been a Trump guy for a while. What's different as it pertains to the culture? Whether it's Christian Pulisic, Jon Jones, the cheering at the Super bowl, what is going on that sports fans and Trump are now in love with each other?
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Jay Feely
I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there. I think part of it was he was labeled a racist when he was running in 2016. But I think when you look at his administration and Biden's administration and the differences and what happened to our country, think people got frustrated with COVID when we lost our, our liberties. I think they saw the hypocrisy of the Democrat Party when you had the BLM riots and the response to destruction of people's property and their businesses and murders. I think when you look at the DEI policies and the transgender policies and guys playing in girls sports, I think people have rejected that.
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Joe Getty
Let me, let me cut you off there for a sec, because I think as a locker room guy, I had this, we had this conversation with the HUD secretary last week, and I think it's important. What percentage of NFL players, current and past, do you think believe that men should be able to compete against women?
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Jay Feely
I would say it's under 5%. I think it's a very, very low number. I think anybody who has a sister watch their sisters play sports or myself with my daughters. The reason I got into coaching, like there was not a girls soccer team at the high school that my daugh was going to go to. And I said, well, that's ridiculous. We have to have a girls soccer team. And they were like, well, we need a coach. And I said, well, I'll coach the team, you know, and to provide that opportunity. I love what sports does to develop discipline and toughness and camaraderie and fighting for something that's greater than yourself. Those are all lessons that you learn in sports to carry on the rest of your lives. And I never want to see a girl not have an opportunity because some guy decides I want to take my physical and biological advantages and go play a sport that I know that physically I'm better or you know, I'll give you another example. Like we would play because I wanted our girls to win a state championship. So we're going to practice against our guys team. That was really good. But I would sit down beforehand with the guys coach and all the players on the guys team and be like listen, you can't go in for tackles full speed against our girls. I don't want somebody getting hurt in this practice. I want your speed and your power to stretch them and to push them but I don't want them getting injured. And that's the kind of situation they create when you have girls competing against or guys competing against competing names. Girls in a physical sport.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, no, absolutely. Jay, I'm wondering. I've never actually, I don't think I've ever gotten to talk to an NFL kicker before. Certainly not one of your of your stature. I'm, I'm sort of, and I'm a very casual observer of professional sports. I'm not at clay level where it is a life's passion. Not, not, not by a long shot. But I do wonder and knowing what I know about this and having actually beaten most of the Amherst College men's football team at Madden because I was good at video games and tournaments when I was in college and you were a fantastic kicker. That's what I remember. I probably won some money off some of my friends thanks to your leg. Is being a kicker in the NFL the greatest job in the NFL or the most stressful job in the NFL? Because on the one hand I think you get to make great money, right? And this stuff is all pretty well known. You make great money as a professional athlete and you get to put points on the board and the team has to love you. But also like if you hit the upright and you don't get might be a lonely ride back on the bus. Like how, how should one think about that?
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Jay Feely
Well, I would say punter is a better job than kicker because if you have four out of five good punts in a game, you're going to have a good game. It's okay if you didn't have one great punt as long as they don't return it for a touchdown. Whereas kicking, you know, you can only miss three or four kicks in a year to have a good year where they're not going to look at replacing you and those kicks, game winning kicks, like, you can't come in and miss a couple game winners and a team and a fan base, not think about replacing you. And that's kind of the reality of kicking. You have to be able to handle pressure and you have to be able to handle failure, you know, and that was probably my greatest attribute. I wasn't. I couldn't kick it the farthest. I wasn't the best. I wasn't the most accurate, but I could handle failure. And it didn't defeat me, didn't break me going forward, you know, and when I got to the point in my career where I was like, okay, I failed as bad as I could fail, Saturday Night Live did a spoof about me called the Jay Feely Story, the Long Ride Home. And it didn't break me. That allowed me to be a lot better because I started losing some of that fear of failure and just having fun out there. And then the next nine years after that skit, I didn't miss another game winner.
- [32:52]
Joe Getty
What is it like as a kicker to be mocked on Saturday Night Live?
- [32:56]
Clay Travis
I didn't know about that. I had no idea about it either.
- [32:59]
Jay Feely
Yeah, so I missed three game winners with the. With the Giants out in Seattle late in the season, one at the end of the game, two in overtime, obviously the worst game of my career. And, you know, the next. Next week, I'm getting ready to. We're gonna play Philadelphia Saturday night. I'm trying to go to sleep. I'm trying not to lose my job the next day. And I get a bunch of text messages and they're like, dude, they're killing you on Saturday Night Live right now. And of course, I didn't look at it or watch it. I go play the game the next day at Philadelphia. We go to overtime again. I got a game winner again. And they call timeout to ice me. And they play a montage of my misses on the jumbotron in the stadium from the. From the game where I missed all the game winners. And you're sitting there. And that's where mental discipline comes in because you can't let your mind wander. You know, if you miss this kick, you're probably going to lose your job, your kids are going to have to change schools, you're going to have to sell the house and move. You don't know if you'll ever have a job in the NFL again, but you can't let your mind think about those things. You have to discipline it, to not allow it to wander to either Think about the positive implications or the negative implications. And I think that's the challenge with kicking. It's why you see guys that. That are really good one year and then have a really bad miss and then can never do it again.
- [34:12]
Joe Getty
Did you make the kick?
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Jay Feely
Of course. And I played for nine more years if I missed it.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, but you may. You made that kick. Now, is that still allowed? This is a great. I didn't know this backstory.
- [34:22]
Clay Travis
This is.
- [34:23]
Joe Getty
Is it still. Is it allowed in the NFL to show negative highlights still on the Jumbotron? Like, I don't remember seeing a montage of kicker misses. I'm a season ticket holder. Is that still allowed today or has that been this. I've never even heard of that.
- [34:38]
Jay Feely
So the mayor family was not happy after that game. I know they went to the NFL and complained about it because you kind of. You take that and you extrapolate. Say, think of all the things you could put up on a Jumbotron during a game.
- [34:49]
Joe Getty
Oh, yeah, totally.
- [34:50]
Jay Feely
The opposing players, you know, mind, you know, you can put.
- [34:52]
Clay Travis
Yeah, I would. I would say that falls into a category of actually bad sportsmanship. I don't even. I don't think that's all in good fun. I think it's bad sportsmanship.
- [34:59]
Jay Feely
It's a city of brotherly love, so what do you expect?
- [35:02]
Clay Travis
Oh, it was Philly. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, they do have that courthouse under the stadium, right?
- [35:08]
Joe Getty
So I bet that made the winning kick after they did that. Unbelievably joyful for you in that celebration.
- [35:17]
Clay Travis
Would you always know, Jay, when you kicked? Would you always know, like, the second you made contact? You know, obviously there's like a couple seconds where it's. Where it's airborne. Right. Would you know, every time you hit it, I got it or I didn't.
- [35:30]
Jay Feely
Pretty much as soon as you make contact, you know, if that ball starting where you want, there were. You know, there's a couple of times with win, like the first kick in that game I was talking about where I missed the game winner. I hit it exactly where I wanted in Seattle. I thought the wind was going to bring it back, right. And it shifted and it brought it left and you missed by, you know, a little bit. But for the most part, you know, when you hit, it's like a golfer. You kind of know the ball comes off, you know, okay, I hit that one.
- [35:52]
Clay Travis
Well, was the best kick you ever made?
- [35:57]
Jay Feely
The most important kick I ever made was probably in high school in the state semifinals. I had a game winner at the end of the game, and I make that kick and we go on to the state finals. And for me, that was when I first started thinking about doing kicking as a career. I hadn't. I was a soccer player. I kind of played everything. Growing up until that moment, you know, I never really looked at kicking as something I wanted to do, you know, and then that kick led to me going to college at Michigan and then getting into the NFL and then broadcasting for 10 years and now running for office. I kind of feel like that kick started the journey for me over the next quarter of a century.
- [36:37]
Clay Travis
Very cool.
- [36:38]
Joe Getty
All right, how do people, if they want to support you in Arizona's fifth, what should they know and what should they do?
- [36:45]
Jay Feely
Well, they should know that, first of all, I'm a fighter and I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs. You know, working in broadcast media for a major network like cbs, like, people didn't like that you would talk about your support of Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump. And I was never afraid to do that. I would post pictures when he and I would get together and play golf, and I would get called into the principal's office all the time for doing that. And my perspective always was, listen, you're not going to do that if I'm posting something that's liberal. So don't do it if I post something that's conservative. But I think people should know that I'm going to stand up and be an advocate for conservative principles and the America first policy. You can go to Jay feelyforcongress.com Sign my petition if you live in the district or you can support us financially. But more than anything, I just want to be somebody who is willing to talk about their beliefs and do it in a compassionate way and be able to advocate for Republicans and conservative causes. And, you know, we're going to have a fight in 2026 to keep the House and the Senate, and I want to be part of that fight.
- [37:47]
Joe Getty
Jay, one thing people may not know about you, Tom Brady, teammate at the University of Michigan. Quickly, on your way out, what's Brady like?
- [37:55]
Jay Feely
He is the most compassionate dude, you know, I mean, I never knew he was going to be as good as he was. You know, we were at college for four years together and room together in some of the summers and worked at the University of Michigan golf course together. And I just never knew he would be as good as he was. But I knew he was a great leader. I think that's the thing that stands out the most, is his willingness to be humble and to take all the stuff that Belichick gave to him and to use him as an example for everyone else. That's what led to the greatness because he had those leadership qualities to bring everybody together and then the, the insatiable desire to be the best ever.
- [38:35]
Joe Getty
Awesome stuff. Well, we hope the the voters of Arizona's 5th congressional district are listening. And I love that you were willing to take the slings and arrows for being a Trump guy when it wasn't popular to be a Trump guy.
- [38:48]
Jay Feely
Thanks for having me on. Thanks for you guys. Everything you guys do. Love listening.
- [38:52]
Joe Getty
Appreciate that. That's Jay feely. Awesome dude. Encourage you guys if you're in Arizona again, 2026. Once again, Arizona is going to be a focal point, one of the big battlegrounds. Trump won by a lot, but they're going to have the governor's race, the congressional races, a lot going on there. You heard about prescription drug prices last week, right? President Trump signed an executive order last Monday slashing the cost of prescription drugs. Drugs going after price gouging for drugs you're getting with Obamacare. It'll be a little while until all that kicks in, but what about trying to save money on your health insurance? Now we want to introduce you to Ease for Everyone. Compared to Obamacare, Ease for Everyone comes with a monthly cost as low as $262. You get access to over 400 prescription drugs for free. Not just at a lower cost, but no cost, $0. And unlike the broken promise of Obamacare, you actually get to keep your doctor. Plus you get free unlimited virtual primary care. You can have affordable health care for as low as 262 bucks a month. Today. Go online to ease for everyone.com Clay to join today, that's ease for everyone.com Clay.
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Dennis Black
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- [41:13]
Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.
- [41:25]
Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
- [41:26]
Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy.
- [41:30]
Clay Travis
Modern world about something about a comedic tone.
- [41:35]
Jack Armstrong
We have a winner.
- [41:36]
Clay Travis
Yes.
- [41:37]
Jack Armstrong
Listen to Armstrong, you geti on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [41:44]
Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
- [41:52]
Dennis Black
Did you make a mistake in sending.
- [41:54]
Jack Armstrong
Arms to Tehran, sir?
- [41:56]
Joe Getty
No.
- [41:58]
Buck Sexton
It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
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Ron Johnson
And I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second, I'm going to ask.
- [42:05]
Buck Sexton
I'm Leon Nayfak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
- [42:24]
Ron Johnson
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
- [42:30]
Clay Travis
Please do.
- [42:35]
Buck Sexton
To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:44]
Clay Travis
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- [43:27]
Ron Johnson
Yes, sir.
- [43:28]
Jay Feely
I was calling because the one thing.
- [43:29]
Ron Johnson
That nobody's brought up is the White House doctor. Okay? He passed four physicals. The doctor's supposed to certify this guy to be the president, the commander in chief. He had to have known he had cognitive decline and yet certified him to be commander in Chief.
- [43:46]
Dennis Black
He needs to be called on the carpet.
- [43:47]
Ron Johnson
He lied about my Biden's physicals.
- [43:50]
Joe Getty
Yeah, we talked about this. And we'll talk with Dr. Sapphire legitimately in the next segment, not only about cognitive decline, but also cancer. And what I'm seeing is even more people. Instead of there being, oh, sympathy for Biden. Most people are saying there's no way. They just found out about this on Friday. And paired with the cognitive issues, this makes what they were doing with Biden even more indefensible. We'll see what Dr. Safire, part of the Clay and Buck Podcast network, thinks next.
- [44:26]
Jack Armstrong
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Clay Travis
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Jack Armstrong
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Dennis Black
Ever notice your dog slowing down and having health issues and wonder, what can I do to make them better? Well, my friend, add rough greens to your dog's food for 90 days and I guarantee you'll see changes that will amaze you.
- [45:09]
Jay Feely
You.
- [45:09]
Dennis Black
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- [45:56]
Jack Armstrong
Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on Demand? We're not boring. Lotta news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like, hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.
- [46:07]
Joe Getty
He's Joe Getty.
- [46:08]
Jack Armstrong
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.
- [46:12]
Dennis Black
How about something about a comedic tone?
- [46:17]
Jack Armstrong
We have a winner.
- [46:18]
Clay Travis
Yes.
- [46:19]
Jack Armstrong
Listen to Armstrong and Getty on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [46:26]
Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
- [46:38]
Ron Johnson
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
- [46:43]
Buck Sexton
Please do. To hear the whole story. Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [46:56]
Jack Armstrong
You're listening to an iHeart podcast.