Hour 3 - A Detransitioners Story

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 – A Detransitioner's Story
Date: February 20, 2026
Host: Clay Travis
Guest: Soren Aldaco

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Overview

This hour centers on Soren Aldaco’s powerful and personal journey through gender transition as a minor, her eventual detransition, and the active legal battle she’s waging against the medical professionals and institutions involved in her adolescent care. The episode unfolds as both an exposé and a cautionary tale, with Clay Travis guiding a detailed, emotional conversation that has implications for parents, doctors, lawmakers, and the broader public grappling with the ethics and impacts of youth gender transition procedures.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Soren's Early Experience with Online Communities and Gender Identity

[05:11–09:05]

• Soren describes first grappling with unhappiness around age 11, compounded by experiences of online grooming and trauma in chat rooms and art forums (notably via her Nintendo DSi).
• She was initially seeking community and connection through creative online platforms, not gender-specific spaces.
• The internet and online communities exposed her to transgender identities and role-playing, which blurred lines between fantasy and reality.

Notable Quote:
"The idea that I could adopt a new name and a new appearance and almost be like the characters we would create...that was eventually affirmed around age 15."
— Soren Aldaco (05:38)

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2. Family Dynamics and Psychiatric Involvement

[09:05–11:01]

• Soren recounts meeting her biological father and stepmother, leading up to an inpatient psychiatric stay after a conflict at home.
• She describes how a psychiatrist encouraged her to “come out” as trans, attributing her unhappiness solely to gender identity, rather than complex family issues.
• School and summer camp environments (notably Duke University’s gifted program) played a reinforcing role by socially affirming her new male identity.

Notable Quote:
"He saw the transgender part of it and ran with it and essentially, like, diagnosed me then and there."
— Soren Aldaco (09:54)

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3. Medicalization: Hormones and Surgery as a Minor and Young Adult

[11:01–13:47]

• Testosterone was prescribed at 17 after a brief (30-minute) consultation with a nurse practitioner, without her mother’s consent.
• By age 19, Soren underwent a double mastectomy. The process was described as shockingly casual and minimally supervised.
• Insurance covered the extensive surgery, with little in the way of counseling or aftercare.
• The physical aftermath included severe post-op complications (blood pooling, lack of drains) and later corrective intervention by breast oncology – not her original surgeons.

Notable Quote:
"My original surgeons were real eager to take my money and do the initial surgery, but were nowhere to be found when it came to the follow up care."
— Soren Aldaco (14:11)

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4. Realizations, Regret, and Detransition

[13:51–15:17]

• Soren’s regret and reconsideration began almost immediately after the surgery, spurred by ongoing health issues and the lack of attention from her care team.
• University classes and independent reflection led her to recognize the role of adult role models and the influence of profit motives in the gender transition industry.
• She decided to detransition while still 19.

Notable Quote:
"I realized, okay, there's a different way to be living my life. I can reclaim my life from this medical industry."
— Soren Aldaco (14:52)

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5. Legal Battle and Implications

[20:48–24:12]

• Soren is currently the plaintiff in a high-profile lawsuit, recently heard by the Texas Supreme Court, contesting when the statute of limitations began for suing her therapist and medical team.
• Central argument: harm occurred at the time of surgery, not when preparatory letters were written, thus extending her window to pursue legal action.
• Soren aims for accountability and reform in how medical professionals approach pediatric gender transition, hoping to prevent similar outcomes for others.

Notable Quote:
"I'm definitely hoping that they'll slow down and they'll think about how to actually help these kids because the surgery and the hormones that they gave me didn’t do anything but make matters worse."
— Soren Aldaco (23:00)

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6. Reflection, Recovery, and Advice for Young People

[23:11–24:12]

• Soren expresses resilience and gratitude for support, sharing that she recently married and is focused on her future, though acknowledging the permanence of her early medical interventions.
• Her retrospective advice to her younger self is to exercise patience, seek diverse perspectives, and spend less time online.
• She encourages others to be open to learning from disagreement.

Notable Quote:
"You can learn a lot from the people you disagree with... As long as you’re pursuing truth, none of those are bad things."
— Soren Aldaco (23:59)

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7. Host Reactions, Listener Calls, and Societal Discussion

[24:12–45:39]

• Clay Travis denounces the medical and insurance systems that enabled these procedures, urging legislative reform – especially the abolition of statutes of limitation for such lawsuits.
• He contends that doctors, hospitals, and insurers should face civil and criminal liability for the performance of gender-affirming surgeries on minors and young adults.
• Multiple callers (including an 83-year-old reflecting on "tomboy" childhoods and a parent of a breast cancer patient) debate where responsibility lies – with parents, doctors, or society at large.
• The episode closes with broader calls for "common sense," parental empowerment, and further discussion on future legal and cultural directions.

Notable Quotes:
"We need these doctors, at a minimum, held financially responsible for all these surgeries. I think they should lose their medical licenses, and I think that many of them should actually face criminal prosecution — because they're making millions of dollars to destroy young bodies. It's barbaric."
— Clay Travis (28:16)

"If there was a big red button that would just demolish the Internet, I would smash that button with my forehead."
— Soren Aldaco (46:59)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Soren’s Story, Early Internet Involvement: 05:11–09:05
• Family and Psychiatric Diagnosis: 09:05–11:01
• Medicalization (Hormones and Surgery): 11:01–13:47
• Regrets and Detransitioning: 13:51–15:17
• Lawsuit Overview: 20:48–24:12
• Personal Recovery and Advice: 23:11–24:12
• Clay Travis Monologue & Listener Calls: 24:12–45:39
• Dramatic “Red Button” Internet Commentary: 46:59

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Memorable Quotes

• "The idea that I could adopt a new name and a new appearance and almost be like the characters we would create...that was eventually affirmed around age 15.”
  — Soren Aldaco (05:38)

• "He saw the transgender part of it and ran with it and essentially, like, diagnosed me then and there."
  — Soren Aldaco (09:54)

• "My original surgeons were real eager to take my money and do the initial surgery, but were nowhere to be found when it came to the follow up care."
  — Soren Aldaco (14:11)

• "If there was a big red button that would just demolish the Internet, I would smash that button with my forehead."
  — Soren Aldaco (46:59)

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Tone & Language

The tone is urgent, emotional, and direct. Clay Travis foregrounds parental concern and skepticism about the medical system, often employing charged rhetoric (“barbaric,” “criminal”) to critique the ease and frequency of adolescent gender transition interventions. Soren’s narrative is clear, honest, and often reflective, communicating both pain and growth as she advocates for reform.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode sheds light on the journey of a young detransitioner, Soren Aldaco, charting her path from isolated and confused preteen, to medicalized transgender patient, to resilient young woman pursuing justice against what she sees as a deeply flawed system. It's a vital listen for anyone concerned with youth mental health, medical ethics, parental roles, and the future of American gender policy — and is likely to spark both empathy and robust debate, regardless of prior knowledge or opinion on the subject.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in Friday edition of the program, Buck ducked out last hour. He's doing a bunch of final minimum minute kind of because the first week is so important. Advertisement for his book Manufacturing Delusion, which we would all encourage you to go get. It's I think the number six book on Amazon right now, has a very, very good chance to be at the top of the bestseller list across the country. Thanks to you guys, Manufacturing Delusion. You can go buy your copy like I did. The President of the United States has just ended his press conference and walked out discussing all of the impacts of today's Supreme Court ruling on tariffs. If you did not hear six to three, we'll get into this more some this hour. The Supreme Court ruled that President Trump did not have the authority to implement the tariffs as he had done under the existing legislation. But they did not tell us what should happen with the tariffs that have been collected so far. They also in the dissent, Brett Kavanaugh specifically said, hey, we think he does have the authority if he puts it under this legislation. Instead, the president has now said he will be doing that again. I'll put my lawyer hat on and discuss some of this going forward with all of you, but a lot of details coming out there. We are joined now, though, by a by a woman that I'm excited to have on the program who wrote a really powerful op ed in the Wall Street Journal last week detailing what her life was like as she got caught in the gender transition medical system beginning at the age of 11. She decided that she was under the tutelage of a lot of different people. I want to hear her story in detail that she was a girl in a boy's body, began to receive treatments for that, and then as she got older, came to regret that immensely. And her name is Soren Aldaco. She is with us right now. Soren, I appreciate you writing the op ed that you did in the Wall Street Journal and I appreciate you coming on with us right now. So I just want to give you an opportunity to tell your story. I believe according to what I've heard, you started receiving treatments around the age of 11. Tell us how that happened and what your experience was like in the gender reassignment world.

[Soren Aldaco]

Yeah, thanks for having me. Well, at age 11, I was actually Kind of doing all of this on my own. I was on the Internet in all different corners of the Internet, from chat rooms to online art forums. And unfortunately, I got into some pretty. Pretty dark corners where I was groomed. So already going through something that kids struggle with generally, right? Puberty. I have this added trauma on top of that, this thing that made me feel scared in my body. And when I was speaking to some of those girls on the art forum, I discovered transgender identity as a manifestation almost of the role playing that we were doing, this idea that I could adopt a new name and a new appearance and almost be like the characters that we would create. So that was eventually affirmed around age 15, when I met my dad and my stepmom for the first time. I went inpatient, actually, after having a fight with my stepdad. And it was inpatient that a psychiatrist pressured me to come out to him as transgender and then told my family that actually my distress had nothing to do with my home life, my turbulent home life, but in fact, it was because I was transgender. So fast forward two years after that, I met a nurse practitioner through a support group that my dad and my stepmom were taking me to. He prescribed me testosterone without my mom's consent after just 30 minutes. And by age 19, I had a double mastectomy that I would have massive, massive complications from.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, thank you. That is a big picture. I want to dial back in, if we can, to some of these details. And again, thank you for coming on and telling us this story. So 11 years old, you are getting on the Internet. I assume these are chat rooms of some sort. And what was your initial draw on the Internet? Where did you enter? Because I think this is important for a lot of parents and grandparents. You didn't initially enter into the idea that you were trans. You were an unhappy 11 year old. It sounds like you go on the Internet. Where did you go? What sort of chat rooms, what sort of Internet sites were you on where people found you and started to try to address your unhappiness and potentially give you a solution for it? How did that happen?

[Soren Aldaco]

What's interesting is this occurred around the same time that Instagram and other social media apps were coming around. However, I actually entered onto the Internet using my handheld Nintendo device, my dsi, the I stood for Internet. And the app specifically was a Flipnote app, where me and lots of people, young and old, would create little animations that were hand drawn, comment on those animations, find community through fandoms, through these TV shows and comic books, etcetera. That we. We liked. So that.

[Clay Travis]

So this had nothing to do, in theory, with gender in any way. You're going on into these, I guess, if it's through your Nintendo handheld device, a lot of kids are on there. And then people start to interact with you, and you start to make friends online, and they start to push you in the direction of. Of. Of embracing this idea that you might be a boy in a girl's body.

[Soren Aldaco]

That's correct.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so you were profoundly unhappy. How old are you now, by the way?

[Soren Aldaco]

I'm 23.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so you're 23 at 15. I want to go. I believe you said you went in to see a psychiatrist, and you had, at that point, convinced yourself that one of the reasons you were unhappy through the conversations that you were having online, I would imagine were a part of this, was that you were, in fact, a boy in a girl's body. What is that like when you tell the psychiatrist that? What is that discussion like? Quizzing. And for your parents, now that you can look back on it, what was it like for them?

[Soren Aldaco]

When I first spoke to the psychiatrist, he was mostly curious about why the name on my door was different from the name on my chart. I remember telling him. He had asked me, you know, when are you happy? When are. What are moments that you find happiness? And I told him about the summer camp I was going to at Duke University. It was like a gifted and talented summer camp. He spent three weeks with a bunch of other kids who had taken their SATs in seventh grade and scored well. And I remember I'd go to this camp, and all my needs were taken care of. I felt like I belonged for the first time. I was also being socially transitioned at this camp. All the faculty, administrators were using my boy name and boy pronouns, as were the other children. And so I told him about this, and instead of recognizing that it was just okay, you found other, like, smart kids that you could get along with for the first time. You could be a kid for three weeks. When I came from a hard home life. Right. He saw the transgender part of it and ran with it and essentially, like, diagnosed me then and there.

[Clay Travis]

So he attributed your happiness not to being in a comfortable, welcoming environment with other smart kids who were kind to you, but instead to the fact that they were telling you you were a different gender, and so your happiness was connected to your gender, not to the environment that surrounded you.

[Soren Aldaco]

That's correct, yeah. Because at home, my family just. They wouldn't have entertained that idea. They wouldn't have entertained the idea that I was a boy. And when they were told, they were actually super shocked. My mom and my stepdad, who had raised me my entire life, they said to my dad and my stepmom, you know, we thought maybe she'd come to us saying she liked girls. But, you know, the idea that I could be a boy trapped in a girl's body, that wasn't even mainstream at the time.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so 15, he says the doctor, she says, the psychiatrist says, hey, this is an issue. You are a boy trapped in a girl's body. At 17, you start to get testosterone. If I jotted down my notes correctly, what kind of sign off is required for that because you're still a minor

[Soren Aldaco]

at that time, there was no sign off required. There were maybe forms that we filled off or filled, filled out in the regular course of the doctor's questionnaires. But my mom, who is the only one on my birth certificate certificate, the only one legally allowed to sign off on these things, she wasn't consulted whatsoever.

[Clay Travis]

17 years old, you're on testosterone. 19 years old. So just after you attain the age of majority, you decide that you want to have top surgery, you want to have your breast removed. That seems like a hugely impactful decision. What was that process like? And for people out there who may not know what happened after that, what kind of surgery reaction, what does your body do when things like that occur?

[Soren Aldaco]

When I first wanted to get a mastectomy, I remember going into these Facebook groups where countless other young, young women were having mastectomies and posting their. Their photos before and after of their surgeries, all identifying as transgender. And when I sought out a surgery team, it really was just, you give us this, this payment for the consultation. You come in. It's not even actually. You come in, you answer a phone call. In my case, talk to the surgeon for a few, basically confirm, yeah, I want the surgery. And they send you a bunch of paperwork telling you what letters to get, what the letters need to say, and all these other details just around getting insurance to cover it, essentially. So it was pretty straightforward at that point. But when I had the surgery a week before was the first time I had ever met the surgeon. It was a real cut and dry kind of, hey, we're having surgery next week. Make sure you don't smoke cigarettes, which I didn't even do at the time. That was about the only advice I was given. And then after this, no, I was

[Clay Travis]

just going to say, your insurance pays for this. So your insurance pays for, at the time, a healthy 19 year old girl to have her breasts removed and basically you barely meet the doctor, you go in and you have this incredibly significant elective surgery with it. Sounds like very minimal supervision associated with it.

[Soren Aldaco]

Yeah, exactly. And what's unfortunate is in the case of the surgeries that they give these young people who identify as trans, in the case of these mastectomies, they're drainless. Regular mastectomies have drains. The women stay overnight. In many cases, these, you know, I was sent home the same day without drains and five days later went back for post op. But by then I was, I was bruising significantly. I had blood pooling in my chest and in my sides and they didn't really seem to think it was a problem whatsoever.

[Clay Travis]

This seems like. And again, I don't know very much about it, but to have your breast removed as basically outpatient surgery For a healthy 19 year old, I mean, this sounds barbaric to me.

[Soren Aldaco]

Yeah, definitely. It's absurd in hindsight.

[Clay Travis]

And so when did you start to question the decisions that you had made and that the medical establishment had helped pull you along through? When did you start to say, hey, was this the right decision? You're 19, I think you said you're 23, now you're 19. At what point do you start thinking, oh my goodness, have I made the right choice?

[Soren Aldaco]

Shortly after my surgery, when those complications continued to get worse, when the bruising continued to darken and I was told, you know, it'll get lighter with time, I tried reaching out to my surgery team on several different occasions and they were equally dismissive at each. I eventually ended up seeing breast oncology at a different hospital in the er. And it was there they had to cut my scars back open, insert drains, and I had to drain my chest manually for the next couple of weeks. Around that point, I thought, okay. My original surgeons were real eager to take my money and do the initial surgery, but were nowhere to be found when it came to the follow up care. I started following the money from there, realized just how profitable this industry is, that you can be a lifelong medical patient and end up affording these individuals, these doctors, performing these procedures, millions of dollars. And alongside the classes I was taking at the University of Texas at Austin, where I was learning about how important role models are to our concept of self and growing up to think of ourselves in a healthy manner, just realized, okay, there's a different way to be living my life. I can reclaim my life from this medical industry. And that that process only took about six months. I was still 19 when I transitioned.

[Clay Travis]

Can you come back and you stay with us Because I want to ask about the lawsuit and make sure that you give an opportunity because I'm hearing all this and candidly, I think a lot of these doctors, not only should they lose their medical licenses, I think they should be charged with crimes because this is indefensible. Do you have a couple more minutes to spend with us?

[Soren Aldaco]

Absolutely.

[Clay Travis]

We've got her sornal deco. The op ed that she wrote for the Wall Street Journal is [e-mail] I encourage moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas out there to read this because I think it's very important. And Soren's bravery in telling this story is also very important. We will come back here in a sec and find out more about this lawsuit, which I think could be incredibly important for so many other young people out there that might find themselves in a similar situation. But I want to tell you the Tunnel of Towers foundation honors America's heroes and their families when tragedy strikes. Heroes like Scott Abrams. For more than three decades, Scott served his community and country as a United States Marine, a New York City police detective and a volunteer firefighter. While he was on his NYPD motorcycle escorting the funeral procession of a four year old child, his life changed in an instant. He was hit by a bus, crushing four vertebrae in his neck and leaving him partially paralyzed. Scott's recovery was grueling, but through unwavering love, strength and perseverance, Scott, his wife Tara and their son Joshua made it through unimaginable challenges. Tunnel the Towers honored Scott and his family with a mortgage free smart home. Thanks to supporters like you, Scott now has a home he can move freely in as he heals and raises his family with dignity. More heroes are waiting and in need of assistance. Honor their sacrifices now. Join both Buck and myself in donating $11 a month to tunnel the towers [e-mail] that's t the number 2t.org sometimes all you can do is laugh and they do a lot of it with the Sunday hang. Join Clay and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

In Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, we are talking with Soren Aldeco who has shared bravely her story of her experience inside of the gender transition world. At 19 years old, she had a double mastectomy voluntarily because she believed she was a boy. 15 years old, met with a psychiatrist, initially became aware of the concept by going online at the age of 11 where she eventually found discussions surrounding these issues. It sounds like you're much happier now. You mentioned that you're at the University of Texas at Austin great school and you now have filed a lawsuit and you feel it is part of your role to speak out for other parents, grandparents and the kids out there that might be like you were at 11, 15, 17 years old. What's the status of the lawsuit?

[Soren Aldaco]

Well, just last week the lawsuit was heard before the Supreme Court of Texas. They were looking at a pretty specific issue in my case having to do with the statute of limitations. So the timeline, I'm allowed to sue after the harm occurs. There was disagreement between us and the defendants on what the statute of limitations when it starts. And we argue that it started in the case of my therapist when she wrote the letter for my mastectomy. They argue it didn't start until or they argue my apologies. They argue it started with the letter being authored. We argue it didn't start until the surgery occurred because harm didn't occur until the surgery and I couldn't have sued until then.

[Clay Travis]

So they're trying to argue there's no liability because of a statute of limitation issue, not because there was malpractice committed in your case, which I'm guessing is the ballpark argument here. Let me say this. Any legislatures that are out there and members of the legislator legislature all over the country, you guys need to eliminate statute of limitation laws for these young kids who have these surgeries Listen to me carefully on that because these lawsuits need to happen. Soren, I would imagine one of the goals here is if you hold these doctors and these hospitals accountable for what they did to you, they won't be able to do it to other young children. I assume that is to a large extent your goal.

[Soren Aldaco]

I'm definitely hoping that, yeah, they'll slow down and they'll, they'll think about how to actually help these kids because the surgery and the hormones that they gave me didn't do anything but make matters worse.

[Clay Travis]

How are you now?

[Soren Aldaco]

Well, I'm doing great. Not that I have the hormones and surgery to thank for that. Mostly I just, I feel very resilient and emboldened. I was married last month and so starting that life and moving forward, having something to look forward to, that's been great just admits the reality that the issues I experience from medical transition are going to be lifelong.

[Clay Travis]

What do you wish you could say to 11 year old Soren, to 15 year old Soren, to 19 year old Soren?

[Soren Aldaco]

The easiest thing would be to get off your phone and go outside. Not that she would have listened to, but really just to try and be patient and get information from as many sources as possible. Something I learned, I feel far too late was you can learn a lot from the people you disagree with. And if you disagree with someone right, you're either going to be more affirmed in what you already believe, you're going to have nuance added to it, or you're going to change your mind. And as long as you're pursuing truth, none of those are bad things.

[Clay Travis]

Well, we are all of us in this audience rooting for you, praying for you to continue to have great things happen in your life. Thank you for sharing your story. You can read it at the Wall Street Journal and please keep us updated on what the Texas Supreme Court does.

[Soren Aldaco]

For sure. Thanks.

[Clay Travis]

That is Soren Aldeco. When we come back, we'll dive back into the tariffs. I bet that a lot of you are going to want to react to her. 800-282-2882. You can also use the talkback function. We're going to make sure that gets up on YouTube. So for those of you out there with kids or grandkids that you think might benefit from hearing that conversation, I think there are a lot of people that would be in that camp. More on this, more on tariffs. We'll finish off the final half hour of the week. Next. Thanks for hanging out with us on the Clay and Buck Show. Speaking truth and Having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. A lot of you weighing in. And again, I would encourage you to go read Soren Eldecko's piece. There are going to be a lot and I think it's incredibly sad. There are going to be a lot of people like her and a lot of people that are on the flip side having surgeries in different ways that realize, oh man, I was just a really depressed kid in my teenage years and I had all sorts of hormones going on. But I think the story that she shared is an important one. And if you didn't hear it, we're going to put it up on YouTube. I would encourage you, if you're just getting in your cars right now, go listen to it. Because I think a lot of parents, a lot of grandparents, a lot of teachers out there who are dealing with adolescents age 11, unhappy kid, goes online initially, goes on handheld Nintendo device she plays games on. Eventually that leads into people finding her online and saying, hey, maybe the reason you're unhappy is because you're actually a boy in a girl's body. Then goes off to sounds like a really smart kid. Goes to a Duke summer camp. People there believe they're doing the kind thing by saying, oh, you're a boy. We're gonna start calling you by a different name. We're gonna start calling you a boy. Goes to a psychiatrist at 15. Psychiatrist says, oh, you are, you're a boy. Start giving testosterone to her at 17. By 19, a doctor took her breasts off and sent her home in the same day. Voluntary breast removal surgery. Some of you out there that have had breast cancer and had to have mastectomies as a result of that. Think about how wild that is that you would allow a child, because a 19 year old is still a child in many ways to have voluntary breast removal surgery and then send them home the same day. How about the fact that insurance dollars paid for that? And right now she's got a case in front of the Supreme Court that has to deal with a statute of limitations related issue. And I want to reiterate something that I think is really important. We got members of state legislatures in all 50 states, I would wager, listening to us right now from Alaska all the way to Florida, somebody in the state legislature in every 50 states is listening right here. And if it's not somebody who's a member, certainly staff are listening. Eliminate statutes of limitations on these medical malpractice suits because the doctors are going to try to say Well, I believe Soren's 23 years old now. Well, sorry, the statute of limitations told on our decision to take your boobs off. And so as a result. Oh, our bad. There's no way for you to be able to sue on this. Well, think about your own childhood. How often when you were 15 or 16, by the time you were 25, did you think, I can't believe we did that. I can't believe I did that. I can't believe that me and my friends did that. I can't believe that we made the choices that we did. Oh, tough break. You've been sterilized. You can't have kids anymore. And the people who encouraged you to have these surgeries, the insurance companies that paid for it, the hospitals that okayed it, the doctors that signed off on it. Oh, they're not responsible anymore? Nope. We need these doctors, at a minimum, held financially responsible for all these surgeries. I think they should lose their medical licenses, and I think that many of them should actually face criminal prosecution because they're making millions of dollars to destroy young bodies. It's barbaric. And I appreciate Soren telling her story with all of us and sharing that story in the Wall Street Journal, because what do you hear all the time? If you're a mom or you're a dad or you're a grandma or grandpa or you're a teacher, you're a preacher. They have really tried to emotionally manipulate people by saying, would you rather have. I guarantee you, at some point, Soren's family heard, would you rather have a dead daughter or a live son? The idea being, if you don't allow these surgeries to happen, your kid's gonna commit suicide and it's gonna be your fault. It's just. It. It. It is. It is barbaric that we have allowed this to occur in any way. And I think this is one where the plaintiff's lawyers out there. I know we got plaintiff's lawyers listening. This is one where the plaintiff's lawyers are going to be the good guys, because it's going to take multimillion dollar verdicts. We just saw one come out of New York for a lot of people to do what they know they should do, but they're cowards to do it. What do I mean by that? There's a lot of bean counters that work in hospitals trying to get their 8% increased profit margin every year, and when they start to see insurance rates go up on these surgeries because the doctors are getting hit with huge medical malpractice. Bills. A lot of them are going to start to do what we've seen happen all over the country. They're going to start to say, you know what? I don't know if this hospital should do these kind of surgeries anymore. It's not because they're making the moral choice. It's because they're going to use the business side imperatives to dictate the choices that they make. And they may know morally it's been in the wrong, but they're afraid of being targeted by the trans community where they say, oh my goodness, insert hospital here doesn't allow top surgeries anymore for teenage girls. They're, they're the bad guy. And they're afraid of losing their job and having themselves targeted so they can use the financial side as an excuse for why they should be making the choice that they're not morally brave enough to make. Plaintiff lawyers fire file these lawsuits. Members of the state legislature file bills eliminating statute of limitations for anyone who has so called gender reassignment surgery. Allow these kids, as they age into adults and realize what adults did to them, to come back and hold the doctors, the hospitals, the insurance companies accountable for decisions that frankly, they weren't old enough and mature enough to be able to make on their own. And I think you're gonna hear sadly way more people like Soren coming out and speaking out and telling you about what happened to them. A lot of people weighing in Jeannie in Syracuse, New York. What about Jeannie? What have you got for us?

[Soren Aldaco]

I feel that everyone that encountered this young woman is at fault. And I totally agree with everything you just said because as an 83 old woman, I still remember poverty. And I remember at least five friends that went through different systems than I did. We had to discuss it, but in my age, the nurse would send a note home to my mother and father and say, I want to have your child meet with the nurse with just women and discuss what they're going through as the 11 and 12 year olds. I have not even heard a thing about lat now. And it made a difference. It explained why you have this feeling, that feeling. And no one listened except the mother to this young woman. And they're all at fault. The camp is at fault. They didn't hear you say about that camp.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, thank you for the call, Jeannie. And let me just say this, tomboys are real. There's a lot of you out there listening right now that when you were 10, 11, 12 years old, you might have Dressed like a boy. You might have run around and played athletics with boys. You might have felt more like you were a boy than a girl. And then puberty happens and everybody's a little bit uncomfortable with their body when puberty happens, boys and girls. And instead of somebody saying, hey, you're going to be okay, like Jeannie just said, who's 83 years old. People had sanity back then. Now it is a form of toxic empathy. And the camp is guilty, too. The camp thought that they were being kind. They thought that they were helping a troubled child by telling her, oh, you're really a boy. Sometimes the best love is tough love. Adults sitting down, kids and saying, I know you feel this way right now. You're wrong. Trust me on this. And by the way, what's the harm in saying if you still feel this way when you are 25 or 35 or 45, you have an entire life to change your body. You don't need to do it when you're 15 or 17, you don't need to have your breast chopped off at 19. And elective surgery. I just can't believe we're here at all. Kevin in San Ramon, California. Kevin, what you got for us?

[Soren Aldaco]

Love you guys. And looking to get Clay's book or Buck's book, but looking at the Sirius XM for three hours of that. I hope that comes up soon.

[Clay Travis]

And let me. Let me say. Sorry to cut you off, Kevin. We are only on channel 123 first two hours, so it's not your Sirius that's wrong. If you're reaching out. Sirius XM, the third hour is being added soon on channel 123. First two hours are there, if you're listening and then you're like, wait, what happened? I promise the third hour is coming soon. Sorry to cut you off, Kevin, but we've gotten some questions about that and I wanted to make sure that I mentioned it.

[Soren Aldaco]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

I think that was Kevin calling in. Hope he gets Buck's book. Buck had to duck out. He's doing promotion everywhere for that book. Frank in Fort Myers, Florida. Frank, thanks for calling.

[Soren Aldaco]

Thanks for taking my call. I love your show. Listen, I. Sorry, I disagree with you with the doctors in the hospitals being accountable. What about the accountability of the parents. Surgery?

[Clay Travis]

Okay, let me ask you a question. Hold on. Let me. Let me ask you a question, Frank. And I want you to think about this as if you're a mom or dad. I'm a dad. If a doctor sits down. If a doctor sits down with you and Your kid is incredibly troubled and you're taking them to a psychiatrist, you're taking them to a psychologist, you're taking them to all different sorts of doctors. And they say to you, if your daughter doesn't have this surgery, she's going to kill herself. This is medically necessary in my opinion. I don't think it's the parents that are the villains here. I agree with you. I wish that more. That's why I want to have this conversation. I wish that more parents would push back. But a lot of us, parents, grandparents, teachers, have been taught defer to doctors on medical judgment. When a doctor who has gone to school for seven years is saying, in my professional opinion, your son or daughter needs this surgery, I think it's hard for most parents to say, particularly when they're being emotionally manipulated and they're saying, your kid's going to kill themselves unless we do this surgery, I think it's hard to blame the parents.

[Soren Aldaco]

Yeah, I think that's a bit extreme. I still. They should have taken to another doctor then. I disagree with that. I do believe that the parents are at 100% fall here for allowing this to go through.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, let me ask you this, Let me ask you. Hold on, Frank, let me ask you this. Go ahead. What if instead of Soren saying, I think I'm a boy in a girl's body, she had said, I think I'm a pirate and I need to have my leg chopped off because I want a peg leg and I want you to also take one of my eyes because I want to wear an eye patch. And a doctor said, you know what? I think you are a pirate. We should take your leg off and your eye off. Would you think that the doctor deserved no criticism?

[Soren Aldaco]

No, because the doctor's completely wrong. That's why I said, go to another doctor.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I appreciate you, but what if all the doctors, what if. Thanks for the call. What if the medical establishment all had the same opinion, which they did until about a year ago, which is, this is medically necessary surgery, and what if they had fought so hard? Think about this. Insurance covered it. Insurance Companies cover a 19 year old girl saying, I need to get my boobs chopped off. Now, not, not to get graphic with you, but insurance companies would not cover a 19 year old girl who went in and said, my boobs are not big enough. I need to have breast augmentation surgery. We got a whole rig job going on here. And by the way, you can have all different sorts of plastic surgery if that makes you happier. But Unless it's medically necessary, it's not covered by insurance. So this has been defined as medically necessary, such that her breasts were removed and the insurance company paid for it. Ben in Reading, California. Ben, what you got for us?

[Soren Aldaco]

Just wanted to call and confirm that, yes, you can be sent home after either breast surgery or breast removal that day.

[Clay Travis]

They. Yeah, that. I don't know. I don't know a lot about this. Ben, did your. I think it says your wife had to have the surgery for breast cancer.

[Soren Aldaco]

Breast cancer. Had breast removal. And it was like she. You know, there was a process to it, of course, and. But one day you end up going in and 45 minutes, hour later, you know, you're out of surgery, and then a few hours later, you're being sent home.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, well, let me. Let me. Sorry to cut you off, but I. Okay, that may well be true. It may depend on the type of surgery. What I would point out is your wife had breast cancer surgery, because otherwise she might have died of breast cancer.

[Soren Aldaco]

Well, depending. They had to remove it because of the style of the kind of breast.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. So she had a serious medical condition that required her to have surgery to have her breasts removed. She wasn't 19 years old. And deciding to have her breasts removed voluntarily. And having seen that surgery. Yes.

[Soren Aldaco]

What I'm confirming is they do send you home.

[Clay Travis]

But having seen that. Okay, I appreciate that. Having seen that surgery, what would you think if you found that 19 year olds were voluntarily having their breasts removed?

[Soren Aldaco]

Horrible. Because I can also tell you that my daughter's best friend had it done.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Soren Aldaco]

And she cannot understand why her best friend did that. Also, you know that that person moved. Moved north from California to Oregon. And. And I don't know if some other things happened up there because Oregon is kind of a monkey state.

[Clay Travis]

Regarding. Well, thank you for the call. I've got to hit a break here, but thank you for the call about that call. I don't know necessarily how long people stay in surgery, stay in hospitals after surgery. The big issue here is the surgery shouldn't exist. It should not be done for anybody. Look, if you want to make your home a little bit safer, Sabre can do it. They have every kind of home security you could possibly imagine. You can get hooked up right now, if you go to sabre radio.com, we have every home security device on the Sabre website, whether it's the pepper projectile launcher, whether it is all these different pepper sprays, if you're out and about, different door security, all of it makes a tremendous difference. For my family. We have kids and kids are sometimes knuckleheads and they can get into the things that you're trying to protect your home with. So if you're a parent or grandparent, you're worried about the kids getting into lethal ways to defend yourself. That's what Sabre was made for, to defend in a non lethal manner. Pepper sprays, pepper gel, stun guns. They got it all. Check them out. Saberradio.com 844-824 safe that's saberradio.com 844-8240 safe keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 47

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