Hour 3 - A New Low for Democrats

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show: Hour 3 - A New Low for Democrats
Release Date: March 25, 2025
Host/Author: Premiere Networks

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1. Introduction and Brief Recap

In this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck delve into the latest political controversies, media dynamics, and emerging figures within the Democratic Party. Skipping over the usual advertisements and introductory segments, the hosts focus on dissecting recent events that highlight what they perceive as the declining standards within the Democratic ranks.

2. The Jeffrey Goldberg Text Chain Controversy

Timestamp: [01:03] - [07:43]

Clay Travis opens the discussion by addressing a recent scandal involving a private text chain that included Jeffrey Goldberg, a prominent Atlantic editor. The controversy stems from Mike Walsh, a staffer, adding Goldberg to a group chat with approximately 18 members, leading to widespread media attention.

• Clay Travis: "I suspect that this story, by and large, unless there's some other component that hasn't dropped yet, is going to be gone within 24 hours." [03:10]

Buck Sexton concurs, emphasizing the lack of ill intent behind the inclusion of Goldberg in the chat.

• Buck Sexton: "This is just a mistake. The same way that, you know, anybody could make an error when they're, you know, driving on the highway or something." [05:21]

Clay criticizes the media’s approach to the incident, arguing that reporters overstepped by publicizing private communications without moral justification.

• Clay Travis: "The reporter not acknowledging himself and admitting when he recognized that he had no business being on the text chain is actually the more indefensible in many ways morally." [06:15]

3. Geopolitical Developments: Black Sea and Ukraine-Russia Ceasefire Talks

Timestamp: [04:00] - [04:50]

Shifting focus to international affairs, Clay highlights significant progress in ceasefire negotiations between Ukraine and Russia, taking place in Saudi Arabia. He posits that this development overshadowed the Goldberg text chain controversy, deeming it a more substantial and enduring news story.

• Clay Travis: "The Black Sea is now not going to be a point of conflict... talks continue in Saudi Arabia, between Ukraine, Russia, and United States emissaries that are trying to bring peace." [04:20]

4. Media's Attempt to Attack Trump

Timestamp: [04:50] - [08:04]

Clay and Buck discuss the ongoing media efforts to undermine former President Donald Trump, suggesting that the media prefers targeting Trump and his associates over more pressing national and international issues. They argue that media narratives often distract from significant geopolitical developments.

• Buck Sexton: "This is not all the stuff about, oh, this is about our national security police. These people don't care about national security." [05:28]

Clay criticizes the media’s prioritization of partisan attacks over substantive policy discussions.

• Clay Travis: "It’s emblematic of the failure of the Democrat Party to have a real message that ridiculing a popular statewide elected governor of the state that you represent is their go-to line of attack." [24:35]

5. Discussion on Group Texts and Media Ethics

Timestamp: [07:43] - [08:04]

The conversation shifts to the ethics of sharing private group texts in the media. Clay argues that reporters should refrain from publicizing private exchanges that are irrelevant or accidental.

• Clay Travis: "If I had been on this text thread, first of all, I would have left. But if I had said, let's give him a benefit of the doubt... I wouldn't be trying to humiliate and embarrass the Trump national defense team." [06:15]

Buck shares personal experiences with being added to unwelcome group messages, reinforcing the theme of privacy invasion.

6. Comments on Rich Backgrounds of Politicians (Jasmine Crockett)

Timestamp: [21:32] - [27:39]

Clay and Buck critique Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett from Texas, highlighting her affluent background and questioning her authenticity in portraying herself as a grassroots advocate. They mock her attempts to connect with "the streets," suggesting it undermines her credibility.

• Clay Travis: "What does it say about her that instead of being educated, forthright and an advocate in some way... she would basically turn into... someone from the streets?" [23:00]

Buck characterizes Crockett as a political distraction unlikely to ascend to significant leadership roles within the Democratic Party.

• Buck Sexton: "I think that Crockett is getting a lot of attention but has no... there's no way that she's going to find herself in a leadership position within the Democrat Party, in my opinion." [26:35]

7. AOC as a Political Brand and Potential Presidential Candidate

Timestamp: [29:03] - [36:00]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) as a formidable political figure with presidential aspirations. Clay and Buck praise her social media prowess and widespread recognition, predicting her potential rise to the presidency due to her savvy political branding.

• Buck Sexton: "AOC is a political brand. Just the fact that we have initials for her and everybody knows who we're talking about, she has huge social media recognition." [32:58]

• Clay Travis: "She's a politician celebrity. It's different. She's not just a politician, she's a politician celebrity." [34:27]

They contrast AOC’s visibility with other Democratic figures, emphasizing her unique position as both a politician and a public figure.

8. Chuck Schumer's Remarks and Future Senate Elections

Timestamp: [29:03] - [33:11]

The hosts analyze Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s recent statements and speculate on his future in politics. They believe Schumer may announce his retirement ahead of the 2026 elections, potentially paving the way for AOC or another prominent Democratic figure to ascend within the party.

• Clay Travis: "I think what's going to happen with Schumer is Republicans, if they get the right candidates... will pick up seats in the Senate... I think Schumer will announce this is his final term." [31:30]

Buck underscores the challenges Democrats face in maintaining Senate majority amidst rising Republican candidates.

• Buck Sexton: "AOC is a political brand... she has the media profile... it's a politician celebrity." [33:11]

9. Listener Talkbacks and Anecdotes

Timestamp: [38:43] - [41:33]

The episode concludes with listener feedback and humorous exchanges between Clay and Buck. A listener from Oklahoma City comments on a previous segment's discussion about media content preferences, leading to a lighthearted banter about nudity and violence in television.

• Listener Jasmine Crockett: "Bucky kind of stole my heart yesterday when you were talking about a television show being too body..." [39:41]

Buck and Clay share a playful moment, further humanizing the hosts and engaging with their audience.

Conclusion

In Hour 3 - A New Low for Democrats, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton offer a critical examination of recent political events and figures within the Democratic Party. From scrutinizing media ethics and internal party dynamics to highlighting potential shifts in political leadership, the hosts present their perspectives with a blend of analysis and humor. Notable quotes throughout the episode underscore their skepticism towards media-driven narratives and their predictions for the evolving landscape of American politics.

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Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis:
  "The reporter not acknowledging himself and admitting when he recognized that he had no business being on the text chain is actually the more indefensible in many ways morally." [06:15]

• Buck Sexton:
  "AOC is a politician brand... she has huge social media recognition." [32:58]

• Clay Travis:
  "She's a politician celebrity. It's different. She's not just a politician, she's a politician celebrity." [34:27]

• Chuck Schumer:
  "Look, I'm not stepping down... Under a shutdown, the executive branch has sole power to determine what is, quote, essential." [29:09]

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Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. I hope all of you are having fantastic Tuesdays wherever you may be across the country. As we roll through the program here, our thanks to Dr. Laura, who many of you are reacting to very positively. That was just on at the end of our middle part of last hour and there are still a lot of reactions pouring in, variety of different topics out there. Let's talk about a couple of things we discussed earlier in the program. The text message, tele, telegram, telegraph signal. I guess it was a private exchange that involved the Atlantic editor, which has turned into a big story. Buck. A little bit of more news has come out associated with that. It was evidently a Mike Walls staffer who put the Jonah, sorry, Jeffrey Goldberg on the text chain of around 18 different people we've been talking about. How did that happen? That is the report that that individual was the one who added Jeffrey Goldberg to the chat. So that in and of itself is. Is further being discussed. And I think, and I'm curious if you would agree with me on this, that this is probably a 24 hour story now. It's gonna blip up, get a lot of attention. It appears that Trump is not gonna fire anybody. I think oftentimes Trump is of the opinion that when the Beltway insiders demand that something be done, he's actually far less likely to do it because he trusts their opinions and their analysis of situations far less based on his own political instincts and experience as president. And so I suspect that this story, by and large, unless there's some other component that hasn't dropped yet, is going to be gone within 24 hours. Particularly because the biggest story on international geopolitical front so far today is that the Black Sea is now not going to be a point of conflict, according to stepping towards a closer element of a ceasefire, but between Ukraine and Russia as talks continue in Saudi Arabia, between Ukraine, Russia and United States emissaries that are trying to bring peace. So I tend to think that that is going to be the bigger story. Certainly in Trump world. As we have all learned, it's actually hard for a story to last for more than 24 hours. But the things that they've continued to try to glom onto egg prices, they're down about 50% since Trump came into office. If they haven't dropped where you are yet, they will. I appreciate the fact that everyone in America feels compelled to let me know what they paid for eggs whenever I say that egg prices have dropped. And overall, the stock market has rebounded a decent amount. Was it a couple of weeks ago? I think it was Buck. When I was on spring break with the kids. Suddenly everybody became terrified that the market was going to collapse. The market may or may not go down substantially in the months ahead. No one knows for sure. Long range tends to do well, but in the short term, several months can go up or down. But the market is up now for the last six months. So this isn't even a major correction that is underway. It's fallen from the heights, but it hasn't fallen over the last six months. So they're looking desperately for a way to attack Trump. Elon has been the preferred method to attack Trump of late, as he has been trying to undertake Doge cuts and Tesla has been the target of that. But I tend to think, you tell me, as the national security expert on the show, whether you sign on to that, whether you think there will be lingering aspects associated with this story. I'm not saying Democrats aren't going to try to prolong it. I'm just saying it doesn't appear to me that there's that much there there.

[Buck Sexton]

No, this is. We're not even going to be thinking about this in a day. And now that it's come out that Mike Walsh wasn't even the responsible. I don't. It's not guilty. He didn't mean, you know, there was no ill intent here by anybody, with the possible exception of Jeffrey Goldberg.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

This is just a, this is a mistake. The same way that, you know, anybody could make an error when they're, you know, driving on the highway or something.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you need to be careful, and there is accountability for things. But I think this is, this is going to very quickly go into the no harm, no foul category. And it's just a reminder, though, that Democrat regime media will do whatever they can to destroy anyone they can in Trump's orbit. I mean, this is not all the stuff about, oh, this is about our national security police. These people don't care about national security. They don't care about the best interest of the United States. They care about power. They do not want to do what is necessary to secure our borders. They do not want to do what is necessary to make our streets safe. And they don't want to do what is in the US Interests abroad at the expense of our adversaries. So I don't really need to have any lectures from the, the Democrat caucus on this one. I think that we've had enough.

[Clay Travis]

I also think stories like these linger when we see that there are private discussions that are different than the public pronouncements. By and large, everybody privately is saying the same thing that they're saying publicly, and so the hypocrisy here doesn't even exist. If anything, again, I come back to, look, I wish that this Signal chat had not existed. I wish that this reporter had not been on it. But if I'm looking at the morality involved here, the reporter staying on the text chain and writing about a text chain that he was in no business intended to be a part of is actually the more indefensible in many ways morally. I'm not talking about national security interests, but the reporter not acknowledging himself and admitting when he recognized that he had no business being on the text chain. I would fill this, strip it outside of national security. If in your own private life, you ended up on a text chain that you shouldn't have been on and then you shared it publicly, even though the people were inadvertently involved in it, I think most of you would have raised your hand or at a minimum, just dropped out of the text chain. And I bet there are a lot of you who have been on big group text chains that maybe not didn't make the most sense. Buck, have you ever been on a big text chain and you're like, man, I have no interest in being on this.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah, I've. I'VE I've removed myself from text chains, people have put me on. I've removed myself from email lists people have put me on. And I've been in that situation too, where you're online. This happened with email in particular, where somebody sends some email to group and I'm like, ooh, I'm out of. I know. I don't like you. I don't. I'm out of here. So I have no part of whatever crazy stuff you guys are talking about.

[Clay Travis]

So, yeah, I remember this. Spent a couple of years ago now. I was on a dance mom thread because when my kids were young. Oh, this is funny.

[Buck Sexton]

To backup flute music, obviously.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, they needed backup flute music. I know. My wife had a. She was finishing law school for those of you who remember. She went back to law school and she had finals and she had our two youngest boys. They played every sport, but she also had them doing, like, dance because she did dance and they were young and anyway, I was responsible for the competition that they went to the boys group. But all the dance moms were on a thread and I just remember it was like, hey, have you seen Jenny's, like, you know, sequin top? Hey, we're missing. And I just remember thinking like, this is the worst group text chain that I could imagine possibly being on. I've been on a lot of little league group chat. I've been coaching all those things. The dance mom group thread that I group text that I was on for that competition very short period of time. I can't tell you how excited I was to exit because I had no idea what was being talked about. I didn't even understand some of the descriptions of the outfits and all of the things that go into whatever girls wear for dance competitions. And the fact that I had to keep up with the boys outfits was a challenge in and of itself. And so I. I am very happy to leave group text that I was. That. That I was not intended to be on. And so. And by the way, to me saving it, let me just say this. And publicly trying to humiliate the guys that are on it for purposes of your own personal benefit. If I had been on this text thread, first of all, I would have left. But if I had said, let's give him an benefit of the doubt and just say, like, there were tons of messages sent. He wasn't on his phone. He like goes back in and looks and sees them all later, I probably would have reached out to Pete Hegseth and the other people on the text chain and I would have said, hey, guys, you need to know, like, this was probably not a smart thing to do. I'm not going to publish this. Let's work down the line. I may need help from you, you may need help from me. I mean, this is how media often works. I wouldn't be trying to humiliate and embarrass the Trump national defense team because, Buck, when I come back to this, they weren't engaging in some sort of awful behavior. They were discussing privately the same things that they were saying publicly. I don't see this other than the, the, the fact that this guy was on it as some major scandal. If anything, these are relatively young guys. And I come back again to most younger guys and gals, if you're under the age of 50, feel more comfortable engaging in conversation on text oftentimes than you would on phones. And so I think this story is going to go away in 24 hours. But I do think it's emblematic of, remember, there's a media out there that is looking for any misstep to not only attack you, but try to humiliate you. And the Atlantic, I'm sorry, with a lot of their reporting that they've had. Laureen Powell Jobs owns this outlet that by and large they've lost tons of money. It is a political outlet for her to get and influence public policy. That's why she bought it.

[Buck Sexton]

The female billionaires who are now in charge of their husbands, either divorced or dearly departed, in charge of their fortunes, these leftists, there's a number of them, they are so bad for the country. I'm just saying, you know, there's, this is a challenge that we have to deal with, unfortunately. You got a few, you got Mackenzie Bezos running around, you got Laureen Powell Jobs. These women have enormous amounts of wealth just because of who they married and are funding some of the worst and most annoying causes imaginable. So this is something, I know that's a little bit of a side note what we're talking about, but I think it's an important one because they're going to cause problems for a long time because they, you know, there was no, there was no discipline required for them to become billionaires. There was no capitalist impulse or anything like that. And so they're the most left wing beliefs possible are totally in play when you basically get handed $100 billion or 50 billion or 200 billion or whatever it is.

[Clay Travis]

Right. Nice problem to have. Hub Buc to, what's the great line? I made my money the old fashioned way. I inherited it. And there's a lot of people out there that inherit massive amounts of money, didn't make it themselves and feel compelled to throw that money around. And by the way, can happen in both directions, right? Republicans, Democrats. The other canard there. Canard. Maybe the wrong aphorism that you could kind of dive into is, what do they say? First generation makes it, second generation preserves it, third generation wastes it. It doesn't take very long to go from learning what it takes to create. A lot of you out there who are parents and grandparents know what I'm talking about. To create wealth and work hard at small business and build it into something substantial. Sons and daughters may preserve it, maybe they grow it a little bit. A lot of times by grandkids. They're wasting it because they've grown up with that opportunity and that entitlement and they don't know what it's required to end up creating it. Now sometimes in the case of the Jobs family, the money gets so big it's almost impossible to waste. Right? Like the fortune is so substantial. I mean, there's still a lot of people in the Rockefeller family that are living off Standard Oil, the money that was made there, because it's almost impossible to blow it all. But general rule, first generation makes it, second generation preserves it, third generation waste it all.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck, Bernie Sanders and team. This is 27. Bernie Sanders and AOC have been a traveling road show of sorts. They got the definitely elder elder statesman and the up and coming generation of communists. And Bernie went on abc, which should be pretty friendly territory. And this is how it went. Play it.

[Clay Travis]

Would you like to see her joining.

[Jonathan Karl]

The Senate right now? We have, as I said, just a whole lot of people in the Congress. Okay, Jonathan, thanks.

[Clay Travis]

Wait, I got one more. I got one more. That's important.

[Jonathan Karl]

Well, I ask you. Okay, you know, you want to do nonsense, do nonsense. No, I, I don't want to talk about inside the beltway stuff. I got 32, 000 people.

[Buck Sexton]

I was just asking you about AOC.

[Jonathan Karl]

Because she was out, you know, fine, but I don't want to talk about this. What was the last question?

[Clay Travis]

I was going to ask you one more question about you. I mean, that's all.

[Jonathan Karl]

I was literally your last. What is your question?

[Clay Travis]

I mean, it's easier.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just say I think Bernie's a little grumpy. I think Bernie needs a nap and a sippy cup there. He's not allowed to be asked about whether AOC should join him in the Senate. He made it sound like somebody asked some like, personal question about his, you know, his family or something.

[Clay Travis]

It's actually a no brainer to ask that question. And I was that. Who was that? Jonathan, Carl, whoever he was slapping around. I'm not sure who exactly that was at abc. That's who it sounded like to me. I haven't seen that clip. But I do think that the panic is real inside of the Democrat Party. I mean, we've got some audio data that reflects again, the number that I hit you yesterday with. I our friend Ryan Garduski, who's a part of the podcast data, we talked about it with him last week. But the fact that young white kids under the age of 20 voted for Donald Trump 75 to 25 is a holy crap moment. Think about this. Young white kids voted more for Trump than old white guys did. You are 75 plus and you are listening to us right now. 18 and 19 year old white kids voted for Donald Trump at a higher rate than you did. I think there's a lot of old guys out there like, holy crap. I think what we Talked about with Dr. Laura is a big part of this book, is that when you've been taught your whole life that you're the reason everything sucks in a country, by the way, that is still pretty awesome. And you haven't had any power at all, right? Like you're 15 years old and suddenly your school shuts down and you're home on zoom and you're hearing, oh, white men are the cause of all the problems in the world. You're kind of sitting around, you're like, this is BS And I think Bernie, even though he's, whatever he is, 83 years old. I think, I think Bernie is not a crazy anti masculine guy. And I think he has to look around at his party right now and be like, we burned this whole thing down. I really do. And when you got Tim Wall saying he can beat up most Trump voters and everybody's just kind of laughing at him. That's a sign that you're not winning very many arguments right now.

[Buck Sexton]

You never. And you know, we're people that have to deal with this online. Apparently everyone can kick your ass and my ass. Everyone is smarter than you. Everyone is smarter than me.

[Clay Travis]

Right?

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you get this from people. They're, they love to. You never want to be the guy who's like, yeah, I bet you wouldn't say that to my face when you have some like, anonymous Twitter account yelling at you. It doesn't, you know, and this is kind of what Tim Waltz fell into. You know, people are going to say what they're going to say. And if you have to tell everybody, you know, it's like if you have to say you're the king, are you really the king? You know what I'm saying? This is what Tim Walsh forgot. Delicious steaks out of this world. Hamburgers, pork chops and chicken like you've never tasted before. It all comes from Good Ranchers. This is the company connecting your family with second and third generation American ranchers. And the cuts of meat that will change the way you create meals at home. You pick what you want delivered based on your family's preferences. Freshly packed in a good rancher's box, sent your way via overnight delivery with all the necessary packaging to keep your items frozen. Every cut of meat you get is without antibiotics, without seed oils, just pure delicious proteins of whatever kind you want. Beef, chicken, pork, all born raised, harvested right here in the US you know exactly where you're getting this from. Go online to goodranchers.com place your order and use my name. Buck. You'll save $25 off at Good Ranchers. I just got my last Good Ranchers order last week. It's delicious. We're already working our way through it. Go to goodranchers.com use code buck for $25 off when you pick your next box.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program. Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas. Texas, given a lot of good things to the world. Jasmine Crockett now one of them. She has become one of the leading spokespersons for the Democrat Party. And you know, her background is interesting, Buck, because she's a little bit like the rapper. Remember back in the day on 8 Mile when Eminem goes head to head in the rap battle? You're Buck may not remember 8 Mile as well as I do. But he delivers the culminating knockout punch. Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen Eight Mile yet in the 20 years that it's been out against a other rapper by pointing out that his family is actually super rich and he went to a very high end private school called Cranbrook, which is one of the richest kids schools in the Detroit area. I know this. My wife is from the Detroit area. Cranbrook. Very good school, but very expensive school. Private school. Jasmine Crockett. It turns out Buck went to a high school that cost over $30,000 a year. And she now cosplays as if she is someone from the streets, which raises a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party, I think in general, when you pretend to be something that you are not in order to try to draw attention to yourself and gain political prominence. What does it say about her that instead of being educated, forthright and an advocate in some way in a public manner for what she believes that she would basically turn into? Remember we played her a couple of weeks ago saying Trump is Putin's hoe. That she would basically turn into a version of herself that is not representative of how she was raised. Well, here she is going after the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott. And this is what she said a little bit earlier and I believe of all things, a human rights event. Listen, because we in these hot ass Texas streets, honey. Y'all know we got Governor High Wheels down there. Come on now. And the only thing hot about him.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Is that he is a hot ass mess, honey.

[Clay Travis]

So, so, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. Now I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott. For those of you who don't know, that's an insult because Greg Abbott is actually confined to a wheelchair because a tree fell on him when he was in his 20s. So when she calls him Governor Hot Wheels, she's actually insulting him because of a disability that he has and then she attacks in some way. For those of you who don't know his physical appearance, the only thing hot about him is the fact that he's a hot mess is actually really good. Governor, I think by and large has been. Certainly the average Texan agrees based on the voting returns. But to go after a guy who's in a wheelchair by mocking the fact that he's in a wheelchair. Again, I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott. I'd probably roll out in a Governor Hot Wheels T shirt the next time that I did a public event because I would mock her mockery by mocking it that way. But I do think it's emblematic of the failure of the Democrat Party to have a real message that ridiculing a popular statewide elected governor of the state that you represent for being in a wheelchair is their go to line of attack. And that Jasmine Crockett would be regularly on the front lines as an outspoken advocate for the Democrat Party is frankly the best thing I can think about for Republicans.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, I. I think that she's largely a political distraction insofar as she's never going to be. You know, AOC and the squad were. There was a lot of media attention because some of them, and particularly like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar, you know, they represented this young, diverse, far left part of the party. But I think, Clay, it was very obvious early on that AOC was the only one who was going to try to elevate. And we see that happening right now. I mean, it's still in progress, still in process or in progress. But she was the only one who had aspirations of maybe being speaker of the House, maybe being president or aspirations. The wrong word, possibility. Right. Within the Democrat ranks. She's become, you know, our friend Jesse Kelly says she has. She's no longer a street communist. Right. She's more of a organizer, I think he uses. That's a very good term he's come up with. Right. She's no longer street communist, she's more of a, you know, politburo communist. Like she's elevating herself.

[Clay Travis]

She can sit in the boardroom meetings.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, exactly. She can sit there with Stalin and the rest deciding, you know, what happens to everybody. But I think that Crockett is getting a lot of attention, but has no. There's no way that she's going to find herself in a leadership position within the Democrat Party, in my opinion. So I don't spend too much time and saying something like Governor Hot Wheels. I don't even think Greg Abbott cares, cuz I don't think that anyone expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that. The only thing that upsets me is that she shares a name with the greatest coffee company of all time, which happens to also be named for a great American hero. It's a great name. You know, it's a Scottish. A Scottish origin name, which I looked this up.

[Clay Travis]

Crockett is Crockett.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah. It's a. There's different spellings of it. In fact, Davey spelled his name or there are different spellings of his name during his life because of the sort of derivation of it. From the Scottish Highlands. Yeah. Fun fact for everybody. There you go.

[Clay Travis]

I don't. I'm not the kind of person who obviously a lot of people say awful things. Going to shock you about me or Buck. I'm not the kind of person who like grabs my pearls and falls onto a feigning couch. So I wouldn't encourage. I understand some people are like, this is beyond the pale. This is outrageous. I think the way to deal with something like this, again, if I were giving advice to Greg Abbott, would be with humor. Because Governor Hot Wheels is actually kind of a funny nickname. And you can throw it back on her by leaning into the humor and proving that you are going to mock her by doing so. I think that's a smart way to, to attack it. But I do think that this is emblematic of them not really having a strategy. The fact, I agree with you that Jasmine Crockett doesn't have a next level. Right. If you think about it in a sports term, you're like, okay, you're the kind of boxer that can knock out somebody who's a so called tomato can. But you don't have heavyweight title aspirations. Like you're kind of just a mid range guy in the boxing world. I think that's where Jasmine Crockett is. I think they have aspirations that AOC could be their heavyweight. I think they think. I agree with you that they could elevate her. I think Chuck, this is my prediction. I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce that he's not going to run for reelection. Remember, he won reelection in 22, so he doesn't leave until 28. I think he'll announce he's not running an endorser.

[Buck Sexton]

23 here. Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not stepping down. Play 23.

[Chuck Schumer]

Look, I'm not stepping down. And let me just say this. I knew when I cast my vote against the government shutdown that it would be that there'd be a lot of controversy. And there was. But let me tell you and your audience why I did it, why I felt was so important. The CR was certainly bad, you know, the continuing resolution. But a shutdown would be 15 or 20 times worse. Under a shutdown, the executive branch has sole power to determine what is, quote, essential. And they can determine without any court supervision. The courts have ruled it's solely up to the executive what to shut down with Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote. They would eviscerate the federal government.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, he's saying, I'm still the best shot that we have for leadership on the Democrat side. I'm not, as I said, I'm not stepping down. And I don't see anybody who poses, you know, the option here would be and this is what Bernie Sanders, I think, was referring to who could run in the Senate against Schumer from New York, aoc. But I think Democrats are very, they're hesitant about this. Remember Bernie Clay? This is kind of a little funny anecdote. I was at CNN in 2015 when the Democrats were running their primary, you know, into 2016 when Democrats were running their primary. And all of the CNN commentators would say out of the side, the Democrats would say out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really got the base. And Bernie's really. And then they'd go on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus and they knew it was going to happen. It'd be like, well, we know that Hillary is really, Bernie's great, but Hillary. But off air, they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really where the bases. They totally, they, they scammed Bernie out of the nomination twice. And it's twice. And it's because we all saw this, right? And it's because came out in some of the WikiLeaks stuff. And it's all because they recognize that the whole game Democrats have to play is to be socialists who call themselves something else. And you can't be too honest about this because you can't win 51% of the electorate if you tell people you're actually a socialist. But with aoc, do they think that there's some new era they are entering where they can do a rebrand? I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

I think what's going to happen with Schumer is Republicans, if they get the right candidates and I think they are, are going to pick up seats in the Senate, I believe in 2026. I think Georgia, if Brian Kemp, the governor will run, I think that New Hampshire, if they can get Sununu, is the, is the governor right now, right. Whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I think it was him. I might have screwed up his name. Michigan's in play. We've got multiple different states out there. I think if I were setting over under on pickups in the Senate, I would set it at one and a half. I think there's a good chance that Republicans come out of 2026 in the Senate with 55 senators versus 45 at that point in time with only two years left on his term. I think Schumer will announce this is his final term and I think he will set the stage for AOC to become the senator from New York. And to your point, Buck, I think that will then set the table for her to be president now, to run for president. Now, she may not even want to be in the Senate because the argument is, does she need to be in the Senate to run for president in 2028? Remember, everybody's running for the Democrats in 2028. They're going to have 25 names out there, Republican side, maybe not as many because it looks like JD Vance is going to be gobbling up if things keep going well. A lot of money and a lot of endorsements. But the Democrat side, everybody is running.

[Buck Sexton]

I'll just say it. AOC is a political brand. Just the fact that we have initials for her and everybody knows who we're talking about, she has huge social media recognition.

[Clay Travis]

This is.

[Buck Sexton]

As soon as we were talking about this, I think it was in January, after the election class, like, you know who I think it'll be and you know, occasionally I waver on it because she'll have such a stupid sound bite, but it doesn't. Stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president. Look at Joe Biden. But AOC has the media profile. And I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an all out. It's. When I say media, I don't, I don't mean who can get on CBS News. I mean social media, Internet recognizability, ability to direct a news cycle, ability to kind of capture public attention. It's really hard to win in politics. Look at Trump is a, is an entertainment phenomenon as much as he is a political phenomenon. And those two things I think go hand in hand. Now this is why I don't think somebody, you know, people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer, no, you know, she plays well enough with Democrats in Michigan, but I just don't think that she's. She doesn't have the name, she doesn't have the profile, she doesn't have the sizzle, if you will. And I know some of you will laugh at me. I'm gonna remember who was laughing at me. But AOC is a, it's like she's a character in American politics. It's different. She's not just a politician, she's a politician celebrity.

[Clay Travis]

She's pretty. She may glazier.

[Buck Sexton]

She's pretty.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, look, I think you have to talk about cosmetic aspects.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, no, no, no, it matters. You're right. I just think it's funny. Like, she's pretty.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, she is pretty. But I think she also could have a kid. I mean, some of you are going to laugh at some of this, but it makes. She's married now, right? If she has a kid, it makes her more relatable for a lot of people out there. I think she'll probably have kids at some point, I would bet. And my biggest attack on her would be I don't think she's very smart. I think she gets exposed sometimes. And you're right that that may not matter. But I think if she's going up against, let's say, like, I think Mayor Pete has almost no chance because he's a gay white guy and black guys are not going to vote for a gay white guy. But I think Mayor Pete is actually a pretty smart guy, right? Like, I don't think he's a moron. Elizabeth Warren, she's too old now, but she's intelligent. There are like, Gavin Newsom is evil, evil Keanu Reeves, but I don't think he's a moron. I think he's just a inveterate liar. There are people, I think that would expose AOC in an intellectual game again.

[Buck Sexton]

I know I sound like. And you know, you can throw whatever heat you want at me, everyone, but I think aoc, she is ignorant, but she is savvy. And savvy may be meaning she doesn't know very much, but she's cunning and that may be enough. I just keep an eye on it.

[Clay Travis]

I think a lot of smart people.

[Buck Sexton]

Who could be around her and write the speeches and tell her to memorize the talking points, you know, and she doesn't have dementia. She's got that going for her.

[Clay Travis]

She does have that going for her. That is very nice. We'll come back, we'll have some fun with this. Hillsdale College faculty and administration. They have the perfect way for you to learn from their classes without having to visit the Michigan campus. They've got a great series of online video courses you can watch on your computer phone on demand, free of charge. I'm telling you, you're going to love these. Whether it's the history of the Constitution, the nation, our nation. How about the Roman Empire, Greatest books ever written, World War I, World War II. What would you like to know more about? Maybe you can listen while you're driving the kids to or from school. You can listen as you go about your day to day activities. Maybe you're going for jogs, going for walks and looking for something to learn. A little bit. While you're doing that, you can stream all these for free on your own time. No grades, no worries. Just learning for learning sake@clay and buck4hillsdale.com these are incredibly intelligent instructors giving their wisdom and their education direct to you. No cost. Easy to get started. Pick out the shows that appeal to you the most. The classes, the parts of history that you feel like you would wish you knew more about. Clay&buck4hillsdale.com One more time Clay&Buck F O R for hillsdale.com have fun with the guys on Sundays. The Sunday Hang podcast. It's silly. It's goofy. It's good times. Find it in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nate Silver]

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[Maria Konnikova]

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[Nate Silver]

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[Buck Sexton]

We got some talkbacks and we have a quick flashback here. This cut 32. I was. I didn't know that I was gonna get Clay to spit out his Crockett yesterday, but I managed. It was not intentional, but it just happened. We were talking about salacious television scenes and bobs and other things. And this cut 32, just a reminder from yesterday. I do not do well with, you know, maybe my mind is more like a delicate flower these days when it comes to my content and entertainment. I don't like things that are too violent. I don't like things that are too Bawdy, perhaps. Is that the right word? I got him to choke on his Crockett. I got him to choke on his Crockett coffee. Look at that. That was awesome.

[Clay Travis]

My Crockett coffee.

[Buck Sexton]

Out everywhere you go.

[Clay Travis]

Body. Were you born in 1924?

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I'm just saying. Well, we have a talk back here from one of our wonderful listeners in Oklahoma City. This is ff. Play it.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Bucky. Kind of stole my heart yesterday when you were talking about a television show being too body and that you didn't like those with nudity and bad language and too much violence. Clay, on the other hand, you kind of mess up in my books when you started talking about how much you like the nudity and the wildness. Sorry, just my opinion. Love you guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, you might be too bawdy for our Oklahoma listener.

[Clay Travis]

Evidently so. Look, I want violence, I want nudity. I want adult programming if. If I'm going to be watching. So I apologize for having too much of a body take.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I will point out because one of the producers is like, let's just remember though, I can't be with Clay for more than five minutes before a middle aged woman wants to touch him on the shoulder.

[Jonathan Karl]

It's true.

[Clay Travis]

They love me.

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