Hour 3 - A Steve Forbes Smackdown

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 - A Steve Forbes Smackdown

Date: January 30, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this eventful and fast-paced third hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton welcomed Julie Kelly, acclaimed journalist and Substack writer, to analyze the legal double standards facing journalists, especially in light of Don Lemon’s arrest. The conversation focused on how independent media and January 6 defendants were treated versus mainstream media figures. The hosts also delved into Steve Forbes’ fiery comments about Ilhan Omar’s finances, celebrated unique American history tidbits, and, in good humor, engaged with their audience about everything from celebrity attractiveness to mustache fashion.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Don Lemon’s Arrest and Media Double Standards

[00:39–13:32]

• Julie Kelly’s Legal Breakdown:

  • Kelly praised Minnesota's Attorney General Pam Bondi for securing a grand jury indictment against Don Lemon, despite alleged interference by district judges tied to state political figures.

    “...I really have to commend Attorney General Pam Bondi and her team for pursuing this grand jury indictment, despite the active and politically motivated involvement and obstruction by at least two judges in the district of Minnesota...”
    — Julie Kelly (01:34)

  • Lemon faces two counts: conspiracy against rights and violation of the Faith Act, related to his participation in a church protest/riot with known agitators.

• Comparison to January 6 Defendants:

  • Only eight January 6 defendants attempted to use "journalism" as a defense, all from right-wing or independent outlets, and none found success in court.

    “...GroK said eight defendants had tried to cite journalism as some form of defense from a variety of different right wing news organizations...”
    — Buck Sexton (02:23)

  • Julie Kelly highlighted that, unlike Lemon, these journalists were not covered by established media credentials and faced harsh prosecution, sometimes harsher than cases involving accused terrorists.

• Credentialing Double Standards:

  • Prosecution focused on whether individuals were formally credentialed by recognized media outlets, excluding independent journalists from First Amendment protections.

    “...If you were on a so-called credentialed media list, then you were fine. But if you weren't and you were there as an independent journalist... they don't recognize independent journalists in the nation's capital.”
    — Julie Kelly (07:05)

• Legal and Political Ramifications:

  • Buck and Julie agree: the standard set against Jan 6 defendants is now, ironically, being leveraged against left-leaning activists.
  • Don Lemon “aspires to be a martyr,” but precedent may lead to real consequences if convicted:

    “I think that there is a big side of him that wants this. Now he’s some journalistic martyr, but that will be cold comfort if he is convicted by Minnesota jury trial and he goes to federal prison for a few years.”
    — Julie Kelly (12:26)

2. Steve Forbes’ Sharp Critique of Ilhan Omar

[15:36–17:11]

• Steve Forbes called Omar’s financial growth “a money laundering operation,” comparing it to the criminality of Capone and Soprano.

  “Her version of the American dream is the Al Capone version... that is steal it, steal it from the taxpayers.”
  — Steve Forbes (16:09)

• Forbes raised questions about suspicious investments and “missing” winery assets, emphasizing that such political wealth accumulation “doesn’t add up.”
• Buck noted that Forbes, not known for hyperbole, raising these points makes them more troubling.

3. Celebrating Unique American History

[17:52–18:37]

• Sean Duffy announced an IndyCar race down Pennsylvania Avenue for America’s 250th birthday, referencing the last capital city race: a horse race under Thomas Jefferson in 1801.

  “The last time we had a race in the capital city, bud, was... 1801 Thomas Jefferson with a horse race.”
  — Buck Sexton (18:30)

• Clay commented on the “coolness” of the historical reference and event.

4. Lifespan Increase and Crime Decrease

[32:12–33:34]

• Buck shared uplifting news: the average US lifespan hit a record 79 years, partly attributed to a plunge in fentanyl deaths, following border security improvements.

  “The overall average age longevity lifespan hit an all time record high in 2024... attributed to a large extent to the fact that fentanyl deaths are collapsing in this country.”
  — Buck Sexton (32:12)

• Murders also hit a 125-year low.

5. Listener Engagement: Pop Culture, Mustaches, and Lighthearted Banter

[20:07–38:01]

• Natalie Portman’s Attractiveness Debate:

  • Heated listener and host debate on whether Natalie Portman deserves “most beautiful” status.

    “If you really look at her... you, you will be like, I think she kind of looks like a 15 year old boy. I'm just telling you the truth.”
    — Clay Travis (22:17) “Natalie Portman looks like a 15 year old boy version of Audrey Hepburn. There you go.”
    — Clay Travis (23:34)

  • Clay’s mom calls in to defend Portman; Clay responds with gentle ribbing.

    “I can’t believe my own mom turned her back on me. Here you take us to break. I, I, I’ve been, I've been betrayed by my own, my own kin.”
    — Buck Sexton (30:10)

• Super Bowl Mustache Movement:

  • Callers and co-hosts discuss the merits (and limitations) of facial hair for the Super Bowl, with some enthusiasm for a mustache revival.

    “I think you may seriously become a mustache guy... I think Lara's going to love it. I think people would really like it.”
    — Clay Travis (34:54)

  • Judy from Alabama fondly recalls her late husband’s mustache.

    “He had a mustache until he passed away in 2023.”
    — Judy, caller (33:59)

• Star Wars Trivia Hijinks:

  • Listeners debate the (creepy) age gap between Anakin and Padme in Episode I.

    “Anakin Skywalker was nine years old in episode one and Padme was 14. So when they started dating, Anakin was 19 and she was 24.”
    — Doug, caller (37:23)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Julie Kelly on Jan 6 & Double Standards:

  “None of the First Amendment defenses were successful before D.C. judges over the course of four years. Now all of a sudden I see these same journalists... now are claiming that those rights are conferred to far more aggressive, violent and sustained demonstrators and protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere.”
  — Julie Kelly (09:14)

• Steve Forbes Smackdown:

  “Her version of the American dream is the Al Capone version of the American dream, Tony Soprano version... And so when somebody cloaks themselves in the, oh, the American dream. And so you have numbers like this from minus 1,000 to 30, 40 million, you know something is not right.”
  — Steve Forbes (16:09)

• Clay on Natalie Portman:

  “She's good looking, but mid for a celebrity. I, the hard truths are always hard to hear.”
  — Clay Travis (29:38)

• Listener Humor on Don Lemon’s Judge:

  “If Don Lemon's judge is a middle aged woman, will his defense team ask her to recuse herself because she's no longer in her prime? Just a thought.”
  — Listener via talkback (25:39)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Don Lemon Arrest Analysis (Julie Kelly): [00:39–13:32]
• Steve Forbes on Ilhan Omar’s Wealth: [15:36–17:11]
• IndyCar on Pennsylvania Avenue / TJ Horse Race: [17:52–18:37]
• US Lifespan and Crime News: [32:12–33:34]
• Natalie Portman Banter / Listener Calls: [20:07–38:01]
• Super Bowl Mustache Movement: [34:05, 34:54]
• Star Wars/Padme-Anakin Age Debate: [37:23–37:40]

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Tone and Style

The hour is spirited, irreverent, and heavy on audience interaction. Clay and Buck combine serious political analysis with humor, playful disagreements, and pop culture asides. The segment with Julie Kelly is detailed and incisive, setting a factual and slightly combative tone around media fairness and legal precedent.

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Summary Conclusion

This hour is essential listening for anyone interested in the interplay between media, the legal system, and politics—especially regarding the shifting standards of who is treated as “press” and how First Amendment defenses are applied along ideological lines. Steve Forbes brings a sharp edge to the financial scrutiny of politicians. Listeners are reminded that The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show likes to end the week with audience laughs, lively debate, and the comfort of mustache nostalgia.

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For more legal deep dives, political analysis, and a healthy dose of pop culture banter, listen to the full episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Julie Kelly]

Ilya Malinin, redefining this sport.

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Friday, February 6th.

[Buck Sexton]

NBC and Peacock, welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast.

[Clay Travis]

Third hour of Clay and Buck on this Friday, January 30th is underway. We are rocking. My friends, thank you for being here. And we are joined by our friend Julie Kelly. Now Substack is declassified. Kelly is excellent. I'm a subscriber. Julie, thank you for being back here.

[Julie Kelly]

Hey guys, thank you for having me on. What an interesting turn of events today.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, you could certainly, you could certainly put it that way. Don Lamont has been taken into custody for charges. I before we get into the we're going to ask you clearly about the J6 parallels in the defense here and you know, those cases and how they were treated as whether they were journalists or not, in detail. And we want you to share that with this audience. But just what's your first 30,000 foot overview? Don Lamont in custody reaction Julie, given that you've been following this case closely.

[Julie Kelly]

I mean, I really have to commend Attorney General Pam Bondi and her team for pursuing this grand jury indictment, despite the active and politically motivated involvement and obstruction by at least two judges in the district of Minnesota, the Chief Judge Patrick Schlitz and and of course, the magistrate Judge Doug Nico, whose wife is the top aide to Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison. So they kept pushing, even though both of those judges tried very hard to prevent these indictments and cases from moving forward. So this is a big win, especially given the political climate in Minnesota right now to get a grand jury indictment on those two counts, conspiracy against Rights and violation of the Faith Act.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, few people know about Jan6 charges more than you. We've talked to you about Jan6 charges for five years basically now since we started doing the show, you've been coming on with us. I did a GROK search. I remember talking about it with you a bit on, hey, how many people alleged that they were journalists or they were doing documentary film or basically they were there to chronicle what was going, not as direct protesters. Grok said eight defendants had tried to cite journalism as some form of defense from a variety of different right wing news organizations. I didn't hear anybody on the left, New York Times, cnn msnbc, the usual suspects who were all screaming First Amendment for Don Lemon. Now, saying anything about those people who were charged, what can you tell us about how that defense was used and who was charged and what the impact was when it was tried to be cited as defense in the Jan.6 cases?

[Julie Kelly]

Correct. So that is accurate. There are eight. There were eight who were charged who in varying degrees took, you know, the defense as independent journalists. Most people are very familiar with Steve Baker, who was not at the Blaze at the time, but was an independent journalist covering the events. Of course, he was charged with those four common misdemeanors, as was Owen Schroyer at infowars. I just posted that criminal complaint by the Biden DOJ and Chris Wray FBI and they fully acknowledged that Owen Schroyer was a host for an Infowars show. And that did not protect him from also being charged with slavery for federal misdemeanors and also took a plea deal and the DOJ wanted him in prison for six months. He was sentenced to 60 days in prison. So, yes, of course, in all of these news organizations and press or advocacy organizations, they all endorse that, either with their silence or by covering what was happening to them without any sort of question as to the rights of independent journalists. So here we have Don Lemon very clearly on video working with these well known agitators dating back to the George Floyd riots, these alleged journalists. But of course they are activists, working with them before the storming of the church, being involved in the storming, confronting, getting in the face of the pastor, who apparently these activists, these rioters, I guess we can call them church rioters, were trying to hunt down as an alleged ICE agent and then later bragging about how not only they have successfully terrorized these worshipers, families with young children, but also that one reason they did it is because the people in that church had demonstrated something along the lines of white supremacy. So he was not there as a journalist. Obviously we know his political affiliations and he was part of that unconstitutional and now illegal demonstration.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking of Julie Kelly here, go check out declassified on her substack. And Julie, so to me, we know there's a lot of double standard stuff. We talk about that. And clearly the J6 defendants were treated, I mean, they were treated like they were people colluding with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or something. I mean, they, they were treated absolutely horribly, in some ways worse actually than people who were. And I know because I was involved in counterterrorism investigations or terrorism investigations. So it was Grotesque. What happened to them did in those cases? You mentioned someone who worked for the Blaze, but I was a Blaze reporter, so that hits home. I mean, years ago, so I would have thought of myself as First Amendment covered as any journalist I know. You said he wasn't there, but clearly that's what he does for a living. He's a reporter. What were some of the. If there were any tests, thresholds, red lines that were set up by the prosecution as why These individuals on January 6th were part of the mob versus, you see what I mean? Like how did they. Or was it just they were there and they didn't even get into those kinds of details? Was it, you know, if you, if you crossed over, over the barrier, if you were cheering people on, did they get into the specifics as to what went beyond journalism or was it just J6 bad, throw you in the dungeon?

[Julie Kelly]

It basically the argument was because they were not credentialed. They were not credentialed and they were not with an established media organization. So you saw there were of course a lot of reporters and photographers, videographers who are on the grounds and inside the building. They didn't face charges because if you were on a so called credentialed media list, then you were fine. But if you weren't and you were there as an independent journalist, and I could tell you this, as someone who covered all of the court proceedings, I could not get press credentials at the D.C. courthouse. Of course, that's different than the Capitol because I was not aligned with a well known big name media organization. So they don't recognize independent journalists in the nation's capital. But of course, if you're Don Lemon, they do. But aside from even the First Amendment rights as member of the press, this relates to a much larger issue of First Amendment rights overall. We keep seeing this over and over, whether it's Renee Goode or Alex Pretty or any of these very aggressive and in some cases unlawful demonstrators. Well, this is covered under their First Amendment rights. That was the complete opposite of how the Biden doj, Chris Wray, FBI, and all of these federal judges in Washington handled similar defenses by J6ers. Yes, we were on government grounds. Yes, we were yelling at police. Yes, we were yelling about our lawmakers. That's our First Amendment right. No, no, no. Not for at least 1,600 of them. None of the First Amendment defenses were successful before D.C. judges over the course of four years. Now all of a sudden I see these same journalists who laughed off 1A defenses of J6ers overall and now are claiming that those rights are conferred to far more aggressive, violent and sustained demonstrators and protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere.

[Buck Sexton]

You know what, I think this is significant too, Julie, because again, this is just kind of my rudimentary analysis of precedent. Entering the Capitol where news happens every day to cover news, is much more defensible to me from a journalistic perspective, no matter which organization you claim to represent, than entering a church is right. And Don Lemon is not now affiliated with cnn. He's not now affiliated with MSNBC or the New York or any of these left leaning organizations. I would argue he's functionally equivalent to many of these right wing news organizations in that many of them are reporting as business people and journalists on their own. And by the way, this is becoming more and more common as people become independent and build out new independent brands. And so I actually think the Jan Sixers have a much better argument than Don Lemon did when you consider where he's going and the precedent set by January six on capital versus Church.

[Julie Kelly]

Oh, absolutely, correct, yes. I mean, this was a Wednesday afternoon government taxpayer owned property outside and then of course inside where they're conducting business that of course any American is allowed to and certainly covered by the First Amendment to protest or even to try to interfere with. But this has, this is completely opposite of what we're seeing with these violent demonstrators in Minneapolis storming a Church in St. Paul on a Sunday, trying to hunt down an alleged ICE agent and of course terrorizing all of these families and committing multiple crimes. I mean, they're lucky this is all that they're going to get. And keep in mind, the magistrate judge who's married to the Ellison aide, he declined. Those two face charges in the other three individuals who had been charged earlier. So they're still really getting a slap on the wrist considering what they could be charged with. But again, you know, when all this was happening in January 6th and some of us were saying the left and the Democrats are not going to like when these rules apply to them, well, they laugh that off because no one ever thought that it would. But that doj, FBI, federal judges all set extensive precedent in case law. And how now one a what used to be First Amendment protected rights were completely decimated. What charges, what case law can be applied now that we're seeing this happen to them.

[Buck Sexton]

Julie Buck and I both think having analyzed all of this legally, everything else, there's a difference between being able to indict someone legally and what the larger impact is going to be from a political perspective. Having analyzed all of this, do you agree with us that this is probably the best thing that could happen to Don Lemon, that he dreams of being a martyr in this context and that deep down he is ecstatic that this has happened?

[Julie Kelly]

I think that's a very good analysis. You could see how he just keeps pushing the envelope, right? So he's also been with Mike Fanon on Capitol grounds. They got in the face of Nancy Mace a few months ago. So he keeps pushing and pushing. And you're right, I think that there is a big side of him that wants this. Now he's some journalistic martyr, but that will be cold comfort if he is convicted by Minnesota jury trial jury and he goes to federal prison for a few years. But aside from that, it really exposes a lot of these journalists, news organizations who, where we started, were completely silent when this was happening to independent reporters for January 6th. And now we see their crocodile tears over their alleged colleague, Don Lamond.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you, Julie. Have a fantastic weekend. We appreciate all the work you have been doing and are doing. And we'll talk to you again, I'm sure, soon.

[Julie Kelly]

Thanks, Clay. Take care, Buck. Talk to you soon.

[Buck Sexton]

That is Julie Kelly putting in context. What is. I. I don't. I would think that at a bare minimum, you would have to acknowledge the Jan.6 precedent on my trusty quad box. Zero mention of the Jan.6 precedents when it comes to charging journalists related to that in any way. So you're getting a little bit better legal training on this show. Go figure. Than you would most media out there. Save some money this year. Switch your cell phone service to Pure talk for just 25 bucks a month. Pure Talk will give you unlimited talk, text and plenty of data. Compare that to your current monthly cell phone bill from one of the big wireless companies. And if you're paying a hundred dollars or more every month, why not make the switch? Your cell phone service will still be on the same towers and the same network as one of the big wireless companies, and you'll still have great nationwide 5G service. The only difference is you'll be saving $600 to $1,000 a year, if not more. Pure talk. American Wireless Company, one that supports our veterans and invests in the US only customer service team. So when you call, you're talking to somebody right here in the good old usa. No contract, no cancellation fee. You can keep your same phone and your same phone number. All you have to do is dial pound250, say the keywords clay and buck. You'll get 50% off your first month. Again, dial pound250, say clay and buck to make the switch to Pure Talk today. That's £250, say clay and buck.

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[Julie Kelly]

Ilia Malin redefining this sport.

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Friday, February 6, on NBC.

[Buck Sexton]

And Peacock, let's play a couple of cuts out here. 800-282-2882 of things that we have talked about so far during the course of the week. Steve Forbes, kind of a guy, some of you will know, chairman, editor in chief of Forbes magazine, says we've talked about how did Elon Omar end up with the money that she claims to have? Steve Forbes says straight out it's a money laundering operation. This is pretty aggressive guy who knows business. This is cut 31.

[Steve Forbes]

The Biden administration examined, started examining her finances and that of her husband. And so, surprise, surprise, that investigation went nowhere. But it's amazing how people can go into Congress and then become these entrepreneurial investing geniuses where they come in. She had under $1,000 of net worth and her husband didn't have much. And suddenly now they're multimillionaires. Is there a money laundering operation here? And in terms of the firms themselves, they have a sketchy background. That winery in California that she and her husband own, where did that come from? Where's the wine there. And nobody can seem to find it. So there's a lot of smelly stuff here. And that's why in the American dream, her version of the American dream is the Al Capone version of the American dream, Tony Soprano version of the American dream. And that is steal it, steal it from the taxpayers. And so there's a lot of stuff here. And so when somebody cloaks themselves in the, oh, the American dream. And so you have numbers like this from minus 1,000 to 30, 40 million, you know something is not right.

[Buck Sexton]

The reason I wanted to play that buck is Steve Forbes is not exactly known as a bomb thrower. So when he's going off on Elon Omar like that, I do think it raises a lot of questions about where her money is coming from. They've also looked into the equity investment fund that her husband runs and basically the location seems to be non existent. There's just a lot of questions here. One other thing, President Trump, we got a couple of cuts here Let me hit a couple of these. In the White House earlier was announcing the IndyCar race. This was Sean Duffy saying we're going to celebrate America's 250th birthday. I just thought this was cool news cut 29.

[Sean Duffy]

The President gave us all a directive which I'm grateful for. We're going to celebrate America's 250th birthday. And he asked all of us to think outside the box. How do we make this historic and cool and let's all do this together. And he loves the country and loves the birthday. And so we at DOT were working on this concept. We didn't know at the same time Penske was working on the same project too. And so we've come together and Doug has been a wonderful partner. But to think 190 miles an hour down Pennsylvania Avenue. This is going to be wild. The last time we had a race in the capital city, bud was when.

[Buck Sexton]

1801 Thomas Jefferson with a horse race.

[Sean Duffy]

A horse race in 1801, Mr. President. Now we're going to do it. We're going to do a real race.

[Steve Forbes]

That's so great.

[Buck Sexton]

That's such a great. That's pretty cool. I didn't know about the Thomas Jefferson horse race in 1801. That's before the Louisiana Purchase even occurred. That was a little bit earlier. In the Oval Office we'll continue to break down some of these things including. You want some good news, Buck? Do you see age span hit an all time record in 2024 in the United States. The average lifespan not getting a ton of attention but I thought that was pretty cool. May mention that before we finish out the week. Look. Failed storm response. In parts of my home state of Tennessee, my home city of Nashville, it's been nothing less than shameful and unbelievable amounts of people, hundreds of thousands of them have been dealing without power just in my hometown of Nashville. All over the country people have been dealing with power failures associated with this storm. Rapid radios makes sense. We got a bomb cyclone potentially coming in this weekend. With east coast storm impacting many as well. Having rapid radios on hand can make all the difference in staying connected when everything's temporarily out of order. Right now you can get up to 60% off the most popular radios out there. No contracts, whole year of service included. Now's the perfect moment to experience why rapid radios are trusted by hundreds of thousands of people. Great deal. Get prepared for catastrophe with rapid radios dot com. That's rapid radios dot com.

[Clay Travis]

It is. Talk back time and call time and email Time. Let's get into all of that. So let's, let's do it, my friends. Let's, let's have this chat. Let's have this conversation with all the above. If it sounds like I'm stalling, it's because my list just froze as I was trying to open it up. Okay, here we go. Do we have some. Let's do the live callers first because they're patiently waiting.

[Buck Sexton]

Judith.

[Clay Travis]

Judith.

[Buck Sexton]

Judith's got great taste as well. Judith, fire away.

[Julie Kelly]

Hi, Buck.

[Natalie Portman's Mom]

Usually I respect your opinion so highly, but on this Natalie Point Portman, you are dead wrong. And you know you're supposed to base your opinion on facts. So I'd like to know what Natalie Portman movies have you even seen? Why don't you tell us that? I bet you haven't seen many. You're doubling down on stupid. And she's very pretty.

[Buck Sexton]

That's Natalie Portman's mom. Just Duggan. And you, Buck, with the two by four.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, I could tell you I saw Black Swan. Garbage. Garbage. That was a pretty good movie. No, garbage. Movie trash. Not as bad as Sinners. To be fair, Sinners is the worst ever. But Natalie Portman in Black Swan is. The whole thing was preposterous. Preposterous.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought Black Swan was pretty good. I will say this, Buck. I watched Laura. I don't like to blame people. It's not my thing, but my wife is 100% to blame. Here. We're getting ready for bed. Laura puts on Begonia, which I believe is nominated for a Academy Award. Maybe the worst two hours of my life. I, I, I watched this movie and I just, I regret every minute that I spent watching it. I think it's nominated for an Academy Award. It was actually pretty awful. And so I am, I, I usually get criticized for being too kind, saying, hey, I like the rip for the enjoyable watch. Begonia was utterly time wasted and I thought it was awful. I just.

[Clay Travis]

Look, Natalie Portman. I understand that big Hollywood and the machinery of the media has been telling you that she's like the most beautiful woman in the world for a long time. I understand this. But if you really look at her and you just forget that her name was Natalie Portman, formerly Natalie Hirschlag. If you really just look at her, you, you will be like, I think she kind of looks like a 15 year old boy. I'm just telling you the truth. I'm just here to tell the truth. People could get mad at me, but I speak the truth. And that's you know, he's got her hair always back in some little ponytail. I don't get it. I don't get it. Look, Sydney Sweeney, you know, that's, that's there's a reason she's going to be a billionaire off the lingerie company. Like, this is a, this is a sex symbol. Okay, if we're talking about this in the media context. Natalie Portman, most beautiful woman. Again, is she good looking? Yes, of course. I'm not saying she's ugly, I'm not a lunatic. But is she. She's always on these lists. Oh, the most beautiful woman. Google it. Oh, the most beautiful woman in the world. Get out of here. Get out of here. Not even, not even the conversation. Not even up there. Like old school Catherine Deneuve.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, people got mad. Catherine. Good lord.

[Clay Travis]

She's not even, she's not even. She's not Audrey Hepburn level. I'll go back to the classics, baby. She's just, man, she's just. Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

Like Audrey Heburn. Actually, Natalie Portman looks a lot like Audrey. He.

[Clay Travis]

Natalie Portman looks like a 15 year old boy version of Audrey Hepburn. There you go.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, people came after me for being correct about the fact that it was weird that she was playing as a grown woman alongside a little kid. And, and people were like, well, you know, Anakin's 9 in that movie and she's supposed to be 14. Why didn't they just make Anakin 14 2? Right? And then you could have played the adult actors in that role. But this doesn't help because they paid Natalie portman play a 14 year old in that movie. And everybody was like, yeah, I can see that. I think that makes total sense. Marilyn Monroe. Maybe we could go there. Who was the French bombshell who just died? Brigitte Bardot.

[Clay Travis]

Brigitte Bardot.

[Buck Sexton]

That's Monica Bellucci.

[Clay Travis]

These are beautiful women. These are women that if you're, if you're elevating them. And by the way, I'm not trying to. And it's not about superficial whatever, but we're talking about global icons of beauty making tons of money and global fame. The fact that Natalie Portman, for some of you is even in that conversation is just evidence of the Portman propaganda. I'm sorry, I'm just, I gotta tell you the truth.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, we got some amazing talkbacks. Let me hit a bunch of these here. Jay, podcast listener, rt, he's weighing in.

[Tom (Caller)]

Hey, Buck, Just wanted to let you know my wife is a big fan.

[Julie Kelly]

Of the show and she's also A cousin of hacksaw Jim Duggan.

[Buck Sexton]

That's legit.

[Clay Travis]

That's cool.

[Buck Sexton]

Is Jim Duggan still alive? Do we know? I hope so. Yeah, I'm not sure either. Let's see.

[Clay Travis]

We got a lot of, a lot of those guys to get that size. We're taking more than just eating chicken breast. If you get.

[Buck Sexton]

Are you suggesting that the 1980s era wrestlers might have been making unhealthy decisions for their lifestyles?

[Clay Travis]

Maybe just a little bit. I don't think the Ultimate Warrior just did more push ups than the next guy. I'm going to put it that way. I'm going to, I'm going to throw that out there.

[Buck Sexton]

Matt. In Rockville, Maryland, just outside of D.C. podcast listener F says, this is pretty funny. Let's listen.

[Clay Travis]

Just a question. If Don Lemon's judge is a middle aged woman, will his defense team ask her to recuse herself because she's no longer in her prime? Just a thought.

[Buck Sexton]

Funny. That's very well played. That's the last time Don Lemon made news, which is why he's ecstatic that he got arrested. Because in the past he had to deal with the fact that he was the guy who got fired for saying that any woman past 40 was outside of her prime. And then when he got questioned on.

[Clay Travis]

It, he got doubled down on it.

[Buck Sexton]

Google it. His response was like Don Lemon sitting down in front of his computer and typing in, when are women in their prom? I mean, if you wondered whether he was gay or not, that's a pretty good sign that he was gay.

[Clay Travis]

You know who really loved that? All the 55 year old female executives working at CNN. They, they loved that Don Lemon comment, let me tell you.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, he thought he was gay and black and CNN could not fire him because he was doubly protected and he was such a moron that they managed to fire him. This is not good for me. By the way, G, Michael in Milwaukee, we love our Milwaukee listeners.

[G. Michael (Caller)]

Cut G. Wanted to circle back for a little fun topic on a Friday. You guys are discussing facial hair for the super bowl on next week. I think you're discussing on Tuesday's show. Just curious if Buck would get on that. I think it'd be pretty funny to see both Clay and Buck rocking mustaches and maybe start a little movement short term to bring the mustache back. Curious your thoughts. Have a good weekend.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I have to jump in on this one first just because I have to beat Clay to the punch on this one. Clay, I think, can actually grow a mustache. Like a mustache Worthy of Magnum PI oh. One of you pointed out that Magnum drove a. Not a Testarossa, but a. It was a different car.

[Buck Sexton]

A gt.

[Clay Travis]

A Mustang gt, I think, or something. So a cool car, but not a Testarossa. Was Sonny Crockett in Miami Vice so questionable?

[Buck Sexton]

I never even thought about this, because when you're a kid, you don't think about these things. How did he drive a Ferrari? How. Now producer Greg is firing back that there is dispute over what car he drove.

[Sean Duffy]

Oh, okay.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, it was a Ferrari. Okay, so I'm right. Yeah. I thought it was a Ferrari. We got an email from a VIP saying that I messed that one up. And because I'm me, I'm so. I'm so quick to. To correct myself. Perhaps it was a Ferrari. Higgins. Higgins definitely could afford a Ferrari. See that house he was rocking in?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, Higgins was loaded. But, yeah, Magnum PI Like, I don't know exactly how he could have got. But you're gonna confess that you don't think you can grow a mustache.

[Clay Travis]

You know, you're like my Higgins, man. I gotta come check out Castle Travis. You know what I'm saying? Ride around in some of your Ferraris.

[Buck Sexton]

It does. It does. The new. Does somewhat resemble a castle. Laura built it. She has off of Begonia. Again, awful movie. I don't know if anybody out there else has even watched it, but she has good taste on cars. You don't think you can. I mean, a good taste on houses. You don't think you can grow a mustache?

[Clay Travis]

No, I. So my facial hair is patchy and different colored and light. And so my mustache, I don't even think I would. Think I would have to color it. Which, now that I'm saying that out loud, I think would be even better if I, like, had a really. Like, a really, you know, clearly dyed mustache for the Super Bowl. Maybe that would actually add something to this. But you. You already have the. You have the full. If you have everything else, you got a stash. You're good. I. You can see I got. I've got, like. This is like peach fuzz up here. This looks like I'm. I'm trying to buy beer at the bodega in high school. Like, this is not good.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking not good. I just got a text message. It's not ideal. My own mom. Buck is right. Natalie Portman is not that pretty. Just average.

[Julie Kelly]

Boom.

[Clay Travis]

You know, Clay, how many times have I talked about the wisdom. The wisdom of Mrs. Travis over all these years. She is a lady who knows what she sees. And sees what she knows. She's, she's locked in. She's locked in.

[Julie Kelly]

Thank you.

[Buck Sexton]

I can't believe I'm answering Clay's mom. My mom has bad taste when it comes to women. I have much better taste.

[Clay Travis]

For yourself. If you think for yourself for one second when you're looking at Allie Portman, you're not just to be. I'm not saying she's ugly. I'm not being mean. I'm just saying most beautiful woman on earth. Are you out of your mind? She's okay. She is. To borrow from Kevin in the office. Mid, mid for a celebrity, not mid for a person. She's good looking, but mid for a celebrity. I, the hard truths are always hard to hear. Everybody but Clay's mom is with me. Clay, you just got, you just got hacksaw Jim Duggan, buddy.

[Buck Sexton]

You just, I can't believe my own mom turned her back on me. Turned her back on me. Here you take us to break. I, I, I've been, I've been betrayed by my own, my own kin.

[Clay Travis]

We got, we got to get going here with more talkbacks and calls. Everybody, this is how we close it out. We want to hear from all of you all over the country. Almost 600 stations, so we should get plenty of talkbacks, plenty of calls. 800-282-2882, pylon Join the righteousness of Clay's own mom, who felt the need to come to the defense of sanity, even if it meant that Clay is going to have to take an L on this one. Going to have to take the L. Brutal. Come back here. Come back here in a second. Twice every minute on average. Ok, this is kind of a hard turn because we're talking about safety and security now from where we just were. But we'll get back to that other stuff in a second. But there are a lot of home invasions that still happen in this country. Trump's making the country safer. But you know this, there's still a lot of bad stuff that goes down and this is a question of being prepared. See, here's the thing about preparing your home with the proper security, with the proper non lethal from Sabre, it's all about that preparation. Hopefully you never have to use it. You want to train with it, you want to have it handy. You need to have it before there's a problem. But maybe you never have to use it, but you still need to have it. So that's where Saber comes in. The Sabre home defense launcher delivers seven powerful impact pepper projectiles. That's two more than the competitors out there. Because when you have to defend yourself, extra stopping power is all to the good. And that protection doesn't stop in your home when you're on the move. Saber pepper sprays, pepper gels and stun guns gives you compact reliable protection wherever life takes you. When safety matters, America chooses Sabre, the number one brand trusted by police and millions worldwide. Sabre S A B R E is how it's spelled. Don't wait for a close call. Get protection now@sabre radio.com that's S A B R E radio.com or call 844-824-SAFE.

[Buck Sexton]

We got a bunch of people who want to weigh in variety of different topics. We will hit you in a moment. I did want to give some good news. I mentioned this earlier and I don't think it's going to get that much attention. So I want you to hear it from us. The overall average age longevity lifespan hit an all time record high in 2024. 79 years old up about six months. Attributed to a large extent Buck to the fact that fentanyl deaths are collapsing in this country. I don't think it's coincidental that the border is now secure and suddenly the amount of people that are dying young ages has collapsed and as a result the average lifespan setting an all time high. Remember we also set 125 year low going all the way back to 1900 for murders. And by the way, for those of you who paid attention to the wild west, I tend to think maybe there were a few deaths they didn't tally back in the 1880s and early 1900s. So I bet we are actually dealing with the lowest murder rate maybe in the history of the United States. Overall. We got people who want to to weigh in. Let's see Judy in Birmingham, Alabama. Judy, thanks for listening.

[Julie Kelly]

Hey Clay. Oh this is so exciting to talk to you. It's a first time caller. Love your show. Just wanted to weigh in on the mustache. Please. Please do have a mustache. I think it would be so sexy. My husband had a mustache when I met him in 1978. We married in 1981. He had a mustache until he passed away in 2023.

[Buck Sexton]

We're sorry that he had no mustache. You're pro mustache. Do you have kids, Judy?

[Julie Kelly]

I do, I have a daughter.

[Buck Sexton]

Grandkids. Any grandkids? Are you a grandma?

[Julie Kelly]

No, no, no. Just a daughter and a son in law for now.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, well tell them to get started on having babies. The only reason I was asking is because. Thank you for Calling. You have great taste.

[Clay Travis]

I want to ask Julie her age, but can I just say my thesis here remains strong. I might have had to in the photo line. Watch Julie's hands getting a little headsy on the hip there. I'm just saying. But you guys all think is like, whatever we say. I've been with Clay's wife when we're having this conversation, and some nice grandma from the Midwest is getting a little handsy with Clay. I don't know what to tell you. They just love to just hold them close and squeeze them tight.

[Buck Sexton]

I appreciate Judy calling. I mean, she just proves my point. All women, grandma age, moms, they love me.

[Clay Travis]

I think you may seriously become a mustache guy. Like, I'm going to make this call right now. I think Lara's going to love it. I think it's. I think it's very okoron and. And people would really like it.

[Buck Sexton]

Mustache for the Super Bowl. I'm not going to wear it to the bar mitzvah, bat mitzvah combo that I'm going to tomorrow because nobody's going to know me and I don't want to intimidate the kids. But come Sunday, I'm going to. Going to have a mustache. Paul in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Paul, what you got for us?

[Tom (Caller)]

You mean Tom?

[Clay Travis]

Sure.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Producer Greg's gonna get on probation because these names don't sound very similar. Yeah, sorry. It's Tom, not Paul in Chattanooga. What you got for us?

[Tom (Caller)]

Well, just a couple of quick things. The first one is I'm not big on Natalie Portman, but a lot of people do not realize, I think, really one of her best roles ever, and she was actually kind of sexy in it. She was the mom with the baby in Cold Mountain.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought that was Renee Zellweger.

[Tom (Caller)]

No, she was a friend of what the book of the girl with the baby. You know, she went out and shot.

[Clay Travis]

I'm gonna check. I'm going to grok.

[Buck Sexton]

I have Cold Mountain was a great movie. Paul, you sound. Are you born and raised, Chattanooga, Tennessee?

[Tom (Caller)]

No, I'm Tom, not Paul. My dad was a Paul.

[Clay Travis]

No, he's right. He's right.

[Buck Sexton]

She's. Are you born Chattanooga?

[Tom (Caller)]

Well, in fact, I probably grew up about a mile from your grandparents in Red bank from where you told me they lived.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right. I said, you sound exactly like everybody that I grew up going to visit in Chattanooga, Tennessee when I was a kid. So thank you, Tom, for calling and you are 100% right to close out the week. You are right. She was in Cold Mountain back in the day.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I just thought it was fun. It's like Portman Zellweger. That would be kind of a tough one. But he got it right. He nailed it. D. Michael from Florida hit it on the Talk.

[Buck Sexton]

Congratulations on getting Sirius xm, guys. That's awesome. I wonder how Buck feels knowing that Natalie Portman helped get you guys there. Channel 123. How did Natalie Portman help us February 9th? Well, it's probably just skyrocketing ratings because she's so good.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's for sure.

[Buck Sexton]

Doug in Phoenix. To close out the shop for the week, Doug and kfyi.

[Clay Travis]

Hi, Doug in Phoenix here. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna be the actually guy. Anakin Skywalker was nine years old in episode one and Padme was 14. So when they started dating, Anakin was 19 and she was 24. I like Star wars guy. There. I like it.

[Buck Sexton]

Why couldn't they both just be 14 in episode one? Why do we have to pretend that there's this age gap? I don't get it. Love you guys. Back next week. Speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

[Clay Travis]

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