Hour 3 - AOC/KAMALA: DUMB OR DUMBER?

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 – AOC/KAMALA: DUMB OR DUMBER?

Date: July 7, 2026
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay and Buck dive into the political drama surrounding Graham Platner, the embattled Democratic Senate nominee from Maine facing serious allegations, and debate ongoing rumors about whether he will bow out of his race. They deliver a pointed, humorous critique of the Democratic Party's challenges connecting with male voters and discuss high-profile figures like Kamala Harris and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (“AOC”). The episode culminates with an irreverent debate: Who’s smarter, AOC or Kamala?

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Main Segments & Insights

1. Graham Platner Scandal and the Democratic Dilemma

[01:00–14:14]

• Big news focus: The mounting pressure on Graham Platner over allegations ranging from a Nazi tattoo, inappropriate conduct towards women, and Reddit posts.
  • Clay frames the situation: “Worst defeat for Egypt since the parting of the Red Sea… but the biggest story right now is what is Graham Platner going to do?”
  • Bernie Sanders’ public statement urging Platner to step down is discussed.
• Perception of voter responsibility:
  • Clay questions the logic of dropping out: “If you were accused of something that you say you didn’t do…doesn't dropping out make it seem like you did it?”
• Incentives and party maneuvering:
  • Buck: “What is the incentive for Graham Platner to drop out after a story comes out that he says is categorically false?... What is the upside?”
• Conspiracy and timing:
  • Clay emphasizes suspect timing around the release of allegations: “The timing… is such a Democrat hit job… They waited until everybody's paying attention on the week out. They’ve got a full week to increase their pressure.”
• How political figures are pushed out:
  • Buck hypothesizes about backroom deals: “His wife, Jill, had a book come out and it was number one on the NYT bestsellers… laundered through book deals and speaking fees and board seats… That’s how they got Joe Biden out. That’s what it came down to.”
• Notable Quote:
  • Clay Travis, [05:52]: “If you were accused of something that you say you didn't do…doesn't dropping out make it seem like you did it? I wouldn't drop out if I didn't do it. There's a 0% chance I would drop out.”
  • Buck Sexton, [08:53]: “That’s how they got Joe Biden out. That’s what it came down to. Good old-fashioned cold hard cash laundered through book deals and speaking fees…”

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2. Media Handling and Victim Testimony

[10:00–14:14]

• Lindsey Fifield’s statement:
  • Clay summarizes a significant post from one of Platner’s accusers critiquing the New York Times’ handling of evidence: “She gave them contact info for witnesses, her roommates, screenshots, but NYT did not call everyone.”
• Idea of “holding the cards”:
  • Clay: “They let Platner get the nomination and they had potentially the ability…to really take him down and keep him from getting the nomination. He has all the cards now, Buck.”
• Notable Quote:
  • Clay Travis, [12:51]: “If I were him, I would actually go and use your example with Kamala and Biden and say switching to Kamala didn’t help us. … The difference is I don’t have dementia. … I am not going to drop down.”

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3. Masculinity and the Democrats’ “Normal Guy” Problem

[16:15–26:37]

• Democrats can’t find a relatable male candidate:
  • Buck: “A big subtext…Democrats have a real problem with seeming like they can find a white guy from the working class...who seems like a normal guy, a bro, if you will.”
  • Clay: “There are no normal men in the Democrat Party. … They either go crazy, borderline felon who’s psychotic, or they have super effeminate Talaricos and Tim Wallses.”
• Wildest campaign quotes:
  • Clay references a Platner quote from the NYT: “He said if someone tried to rob him that he would rape the robbery, but not in a gay way, just to establish dominance. And the campaign admitted that he said it.”
• Masculinity spectrum:
  • Buck: “There is, in fact, a space in masculinity between sociopath who should be in prison…and like jazz hands. … it’s not necessarily you’re either Hannibal Lector or you are Pee Wee Herman.”
• Notable Quotes:
  • Buck Sexton, [17:52]: “A big subtext…Democrats have a real problem with seeming like they can find a white guy from the working class...”
  • Clay Travis, [19:16]: “They either go crazy borderline felon who’s psychotic or they have super effeminate Talaricos and Tim Wallses. They can’t just have normal dudes.”
  • Clay Travis, [21:34]: “Who among us hasn’t been accused of rape, Buck?”

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4. Party Orthodoxy and Disconnect from Male Voters

[27:59–31:07]

• Broader male disengagement:
  • Clay: “Not only have they lost a lot of white guys, increasingly they are having trouble speaking to Hispanic, Asian and black guys. The Democrat party has a colossal issue with men in general.”
  • Democrats’ issues connecting with so-called “normal” men are exacerbated, even for politicians like Wes Moore forced to conform to party lines on gender identity for minors.
  • Buck: “The Democrat party now basically has a litmus test…that eliminates the people who fail the test are run-of-the-mill everyday dudes.”
• Notable Quote:
  • Clay Travis, [27:59]: “Not only have they lost a lot of white guys, increasingly they are having trouble speaking to Hispanic, Asian and Black guys. The Democrat party has a colossal issue with men in general.”

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5. The 2028 Democratic Field: Kamala vs. AOC (Dumb or Dumber?)

[31:07–34:00]

• Speculation on succession:
  • Clay: “This is why Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee in 2028, because men are not showing up to vote… You know who is? Black women.”
  • Buck notes: “AOC is having a moment right now…she could be top of the ticket.”
• The intelligence debate:
  • Clay: “I actually think AOC is a dumber version of Kamala. She’s sophisticated on social media, but…not as intelligent as Kamala.”
  • Buck: “I think AOC’s got about five IQ points on Kamala...If you just did a straight-up IQ test, I think AOC has more cognitive ability than Kamala.”
  • They propose a poll for listeners: “Who is smarter, AOC or Kamala?”
• Listener call-in:
  • [39:34] E. Sena from New Mexico compares AOC to the Kardashians by their ability to succeed: “The Kardashians, everybody thinks they’re dumb, but they’re really not. …Same thing with AOC…somehow she figured out a way to get into office.”
• Notable Quotes:
  • Clay Travis, [32:01]: “AOC is a dumber version of Kamala. … I don’t think AOC could pass a bar exam.”
  • Buck Sexton, [32:39]: “I think AOC’s got about five IQ points on Kamala. I think she’s smarter than Kamala.”

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6. Brief Touch: The Tyler Robinson Case

[37:14–39:34]

• Addressing conspiracies:
  • Listeners call in to weigh on the Tyler Robinson trial evidence, with Buck and Clay urging reason: “The notion that the bullet itself is somehow dispositive…it proves that this guy didn’t do it is…absurd.”
  • Clay: “In order for your conspiracy to be true, all of the people who knew and loved Charlie Kirk the most are either being lied to, and hundreds of investigators are all lying. For what reason?”

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Notable Quotes

• Clay Travis, [05:52]:
  "If you were accused of something that you say you didn't do…doesn't dropping out make it seem like you did it? I wouldn't drop out if I didn't do it. There's a 0% chance I would drop out."
• Buck Sexton, [08:53]:
  "That's how they got Joe Biden out. That’s what it came down to. Good old-fashioned cold hard cash laundered through book deals and speaking fees."
• Clay Travis, [17:52]:
  “There are no normal men in the Democrat Party. ...They either go crazy, borderline felon who’s psychotic, or they have super effeminate Talaricos and Tim Wallses.”
• Buck Sexton, [19:16]:
  “There is, in fact, a space in masculinity between sociopath who should be in prison… and like jazz hands.”
• Clay Travis, [32:01]:
  “AOC is a dumber version of Kamala… I don’t think AOC could pass a bar exam.”
• Buck Sexton, [32:39]:
  “I think AOC’s got about five IQ points on Kamala. I think she’s smarter than Kamala.”
• Caller E. Sena, [39:40]:
  “The Kardashians, everybody thinks they’re dumb, but they’re really not…it’s the same thing with AOC…she figured out a way to get into office.”

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Key Takeaways

• The Graham Platner case is a microcosm of the Democratic Party’s woes—caught between needing “authentic,” working-class male candidates and failing to vet or select viable ones.
• Both hosts agree that Democratic establishment pressure often involves financial incentives, not just public appeals.
• A recurring theme is the Democrats’ inability to connect with male voters, encapsulated by the Platner fiasco and extended to their 2028 presidential bench.
• The satirical debate of “AOC vs. Kamala: Dumb or Dumber?” lampoons both contenders while highlighting perceived intellectual gaps in Democratic leadership.
• Listener engagement adds humorous dimension to the intelligence debate, spotlighting the “Kardashian Theory” of success as evidence of savvy.

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Memorable Moments & Timestamps

• [05:52] – Clay: “Doesn’t dropping out make it seem like you did it?... There’s a 0% chance I would drop out.”
• [08:53] – Buck’s take on political payoffs: “Cold hard cash laundered through book deals…that’s how they got Joe Biden out.”
• [17:52] – Clay’s parody: “There are no normal men in the Democrat Party.”
• [19:16] – Buck: “There is, in fact, a space in masculinity between sociopath… and jazz hands.”
• [32:01–33:36] – Clay and Buck in a lighthearted back-and-forth on whether AOC or Kamala is “dumber.”
• [39:40] – Listener E. Sena: “The Kardashians, everybody thinks they’re dumb, but they’re really not… Same thing with AOC.”
• [40:24] – Clay’s closing word: “The answer is Kamala, sadly. We’ll be back tomorrow.”

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Tone & Style

Clay and Buck deliver the show with trademark irreverence—a mix of sarcasm, mockery, and pointed critique mixed with real political analysis. Their banter is fast-paced, colloquial, and peppered with cultural references, metaphors, and polling ideas—all while taking direct aim at Democratic figures and the party’s strategic missteps.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back. In our number three, Clay and Buck rolling through a ton of different stories. If you happen to be Egyptian and listening to this show, don't know that there's tons of Egyptians listening. Worst defeat for Egypt since the parting of the Red Sea, buck. They were up 2:0 with 78 minutes into the game. Argentina, then the defending World cup champion, scored three goals in 13 minutes and they win it in regulation. One of the biggest comebacks in modern sports history. Tom Brady tweeting that it may be even better. Sorry Atlanta area sports Fans. Than the 28 to 3 Patriots Super bowl title comeback that just happened. Big story, obviously, in the world of politics, Graham Platner, the drama surrounding what is he or not? What is he going to do or not? Is he going to drop out? He has until July 13th to drop out and allow the Democrats to select a new replacement. They would have two weeks to select a replacement until July 27th. Bernie Sanders, who was one of the top endorsers of Graham Platner, has finally broken his silence, weighed in, and he says he thinks it's best for Graham Platner if he were to drop out to step down and allow a replacement to be selected. Uh, we have been talking about the evidence in the Tyler Robinson case as that evidence is being revealed. Uh, by the way, Bernie Sanders saying, I've spoken with Graham Platner about the best path forward for Maine in light of these very serious allegations, I have recommended that he step aside. That just now from Bernie Sanders. Um, we have talked about the Tyler Robinson trial evidence. We are taking calls on that. We have Talked about Mitch McConnell and shared from Scott Jennings of CNN the conversation that he relayed with Mitch McConnell as Mitch McConnell has not been seen for several weeks and continues to suffer from significant health related issues. All of that underway and we will continue to follow them. But, but I would say in general, Buck, the biggest story that is out there right now is what is Graham Platner going to do? Will he or won't he step down? There is substantial evidence, at least if you look at Kalshee and Polymarket, that he is going to be stepping down. But both you and I are of the opinion that he won this primary in June. A lot of these allegations about him, the Nazi tattoo, the Reddit post, the inappropriate conduct with women were readily apparent. And any of the Democrat primary voters could have researched this. He won overwhelmingly. He was, he defeated Janet Mills, the sitting governor. They spent tens of millions of dollars she did to try to attack Graham Platner. And the voters of Maine in that primary race said Platner's our guy and we're standing behind him. I wouldn't drop out. I'm just going to be honest with you. And, and, and this is me just being honest in general. Buck, if, if you were accused of something that you say you didn't do and that's what he says, doesn't dropping out make it seem like you did it? I wouldn't drop out if I didn't do it. There's a 0% chance I would drop out.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I think about the, again we talked last hour about incentives and incentives being such a good indicator for what's true, what's not, what's going to happen and what won't. What is the incentive for Graham Platner to drop out after a story comes out that he says is, is categorically false? He says any allegations of non consensual sexual activity are false. No if, ands or buts. That is, I'm just, that's his position. That's the position he's taking. If somebody, if you're running for office and someone alleges something like this against you and you are telling everybody it is absolutely false, but then you step out, people are going to believe it is true. Everyone knows that. So what is the upside for him to say, you know what, enough is enough for the people of, for the Democrats of Maine, I will allow somebody else to take this position. I think it's not there. I think, Clay, I'm not going to be betting on this one, but I think the markets may have this One wrong that he's going to drop out in the next 24 hours. We'll see.

[Clay Travis]

It is interesting also that all of the allegations that came out in the New York Times, if you go back and parse them, Democrats knew the sexual assault allegations were out there because they managed to get the New York Times not to directly call this sexual assault, even though there were definitely assault allegations that were intimated in a very significant way in that New York Times piece. And I just. The timing on this is such a Democrat hit job. They didn't put it out before the July 4th holiday. They waited until everybody's back home, everybody's paying attention on the week out. They've got a full week to increase their pressure to dial it up. And I just, I wonder if. If Graham Platner is going to have the stones to stay in, and if he doesn't, I feel very confident that it's going to be because he got paid. I mean, do you disagree with that? That they're going to come to.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, then that goes to incentives.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

That goes to. Why would he drop out? Well, if they say, and I understand the way that he could try to maintain some degree of reputation after this, if he did step down, is to say, I flatly deny all these allegations, but it has become a distraction. And we all know the political speak, right? It has become a distraction for the people of Maine. The. And so for their benefit, even though these are false allegations, et cetera, et cetera, I will step aside. But he doesn't actually care about the people of Maine. This is the point. He's going to do what's best for him. So unless you change that calculation, I don't think that he's this. I'll tell you something. When we were discussing whether Joe Biden would step down and it was a close call, Clay thought he would eventually be pushed out. I thought he would make it through, but it was a close call. I think that's fair to say. He stuck out. For how long? How long did he last after the debate?

[Clay Travis]

Three weeks.

[Buck Sexton]

I would say almost a month. Okay, so a few weeks he did additional interviews. He did that Stephanopoulos interview. And they. He was trying to stick it out, and there was no mechanism to force him out. It was only convincing him. So how'd they convince him? Well, I'll tell you something. His wife just had a book come out. You may have noticed this. I pay attention to these things sometimes. His wife, Jill, Dr. Jill Biden, had a book come out and it was number one of the New York Times bestseller list in his first week. And it had this funny little dagger like this little knife next to it on the bestseller list, which is the indicator of someone who had yeah, they sold a lot of books, but someone bought all of those books or some entities bought those books called a bulk buy. You know, Jeff Bezos could easily be the bestselling author in like the history of the world if he wanted to just spend a billion dollars and buy his own books. You know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

Correct.

[Buck Sexton]

So this is a way of making sure that the system isn't gamed without people at least knowing now, they let her game it. They put her at number one. They could have just kept her off the list. Why, Buck? Why are you talking about this? I'm sure Jill Biden got a seven figure advance for a crappy memoir someone else wrote for her that nobody cares about. I'm sure Jill Biden is going to be invited to give speeches about her book and probably paid speeches about her book at a whole range of places for 100 grand, 150 grand to show up. You know, all this kind of stuff, all these different Democrat controlled NGOs and foundations all. How does all that matter the real conversation, whether it was Pelosi, Obama, whatever with Biden was, you don't step aside and the Bidens can't squeeze another dime out of this town. That's how they got Joe Biden out. That's what it came down to. Good old fashioned cold hard cash laundered through book deals and speaking fees and board seats and Hunter Biden stuff and blah blah, blah. This is, that's how they play the

[Clay Travis]

game to be independently wealthy because you can't get as much financial pressure brought against you. Let me read this because we were scheduled. Some of you will remember Lindsey Fifield, who was one of the top accusers of Graham Platner in the New York Times case. The story that came out, she posted this earlier today. I understand why Democrat leaders didn't take our stories seriously when the Times reported them in June, but are taking them seriously now. It was by design. The line most shared from the piece was the claim that the New York Times, quote, could not corroborate my story despite talking to two of my friends. I gave them the contact information for five friends they called the two who I clarified would not know about the abuse, but would be able to affirm our relationship, timeline, events, etc. They didn't call the other three. I also gave them the names of all my former Roommates who remembered him stalking our row house and waiting for me to return. I gave them screenshots of messages between these roommates and I discussing it. I gave them names of other men I dated who might have remembered him following us around and showing up on my stoop after we walked home from Dates to confront us. I gave him emails to my landlord asking for to be able to move. I told them during premarital counseling, I spoke about the abuse because I had to explain why I reacted. Anytime he lost his temper the way I did, they said, oh, no, we don't need to bother him or my priest. Besides, I'd written about it in my diary. As the weeks dragged on, I stopped trying to give them evidence because the amount I had already given them seemed to overwhelm them. And I thought it meant they had more than enough to verify every one of my claims. My friends might not have known the details. All of this they said they couldn't corroborate. This is interesting, because they let Platner get the nomination and they had potentially the ability, the New York Times did, to really take him down and keep him from getting the nomination. He has all the cards now, Buck. They can't force him directly now. You're right. They can offer him cash, they can offer him inducements, they can offer him all sorts of different aspects in order to be able to drop out. But if he just says, screw you guys, I'm the nominee. If I were him, I would actually go and use your example with Kamala and Biden and say switching to Kamala didn't help us. She lost every key state. You're trying to get me to do what Joe Biden did. The difference is I don't have dementia. I'm the selected member. I am not going to drop down.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I think that's where we are. We'll see. I mean, it could be wrong. And there. There are these stories out there, or rather rumors about other stories that could hit. And maybe at that point it becomes too much. And at some level, it may also be that a person who has received so much opprobrium has had so many calumnies thrown in their direction that they want to shirk away. They just honestly can't handle the scrutiny anymore, and so they step aside. I don't think that's this guy. I don't think that's him. But I would. Somebody might ask this, Clay, why Swallow. We know why Democrats pushed him out because they were.

[Clay Travis]

But that was easy for the primary, so they could actually so that was easy. Primary.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. They didn't want to have a disaster where they actually had a guy that then would be a possible liability in the general, so. But why would Swalwell step out? I think it was because it was just so grotesque and embarrassing.

[Clay Travis]

He knew he wasn't going to win at that point, so he dropped out. The difference here is Platner's got it. And here's the other thing. What else does he have? This is why I told you Kamala was going to run some of these people. Platner doesn't have kids. He doesn't seem to have a life outside of politics that would make him feel in any way fulfilled. This is it for him.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I wouldn't drop out. I'll be honest with you. I just wouldn't do it.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. It has been pretty remarkable to see some of the walkbacks from different members of the Democrat establishment, as well as journalists, members of the press corps, etc. Who all of a sudden are like, oh, it turns out the Nazi tattoo guy were all kinds of red flags in front of him. It turns out I shouldn't have endorsed him. And I would now like to rescind my endorsement of this guy. Let me just say a big part of this, Clay, I think a big subtext in all of this going on with this Senate race in Maine is Democrats have a real problem with seeming like they can find a white guy from the working class anywhere in the country to run for office who seems like a normal guy, a bro, if you will. And this was the closest thing that they could come up with. And so they were really putting him in, like, this special category of, hey, we need more. We need guys who wear trucker hats and not ironically and live in Brooklyn. Like, we need guys who actually drive trucks. You know, we need something like that. And I think that they kind of cast him and then they realized that they were stuck with him. And now they're starting to feel like maybe it wasn't worth the juice, wasn't worth the squeeze.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think what it represents is there are no normal men in the Democrat Party. There are people like James Talarico and Tim Walls, who I would say are on the effeminate masculine scale. They are more effeminate than they are masculine. And then you got guys like Graham Platner who are psychotic. And I mean, again, in that New York Times story, and it was maybe the most staggering part of the New York Times story last month, Buck was he said if someone tried to rob him that he would rape the robbery, but not in a gay way, just to establish dominance. And the campaign admitted that he said it. Buck, have you ever heard a guy say ever, like, even in any way, like, hey, I'm going to rape another guy, but not in a gay way just to establish dominance? Maybe they say that in prisons. I, I, I don't know, I, I've never heard like they, they just can't find a normal dude. Right. They either go crazy borderline felon who's psychotic or they have super effeminate Talaricos and Tim Wallses. They can't just have normal dudes.

[Buck Sexton]

There is, there is in fact a, a space in masculinity between sociopath who should be in prison and has clear issues and like jazz hands.

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[Clay Travis]

Like, that's where most guys are.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, there is a space there. You know, it's not necessarily. You're either Hannibal Lecter or you are,

[Clay Travis]

you know, Pee Wee Herman.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, exactly. That's good. That gets it done.

[Clay Travis]

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Can you.

[Graham Platner]

I can just tell you there is nothing out there that that is going to be will run counter to any of the stories that I've talked about openly this entire campaign. And I know everyone continues to be like, oh, what else is coming?

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so you say there's nothing out

[Clay Travis]

there that could be concerning.

[Buck Sexton]

And this may seem a little bit rich.

[Graham Platner]

I just want to make this clear. There's there's nothing out there that's actually concerning. People will make everything seem very concerning because that's what people do in politics.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, nothing out there very concerning except a few rape allegations happened. So who among us hasn't been accused of rape? Buck. This also ties in Cut eight. We were talking about the normal male universe, which is between jazz hands and rape allegations. Here is Graham Platner saying that he represents. This is one month ago on NPR saying that he represents healthy masculinity. Cut 8.

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You represent masculinity in certain ways. The Democrats have trouble connecting with male voters. What describe the masculinity that you represent.

[Graham Platner]

I think it's just a healthy form of it, which is. Yeah, look, I mean, I lift weights, I shoot guns. My background is obviously in the military. I work outside. Most of my hobbies are things that people tend to associate with, like manly stuff. I guess the exact same time I go to therapy, I have a very open sort of dialogue and emotional relationship with my wife. I am. I work incredibly hard to put myself in places where I share space with folks.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so this is exactly.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

What I was saying a few minutes ago, Clay, which is this is why this guy not only became their nominee, but was. They were so desperate to give him a pass, even though basic oppo research must have turned this. Because they'll do that on their own side too, to know what they're working with. Must have turned this stuff up very early on. And yeah, it's because they do not have. Then this is the demographic nationally and certainly in Maine as well, specifically in Maine that Democrats are weakest with, which is white guys who don't sit in a comfy air conditioned office, you know, nine, ten hours a day, who shoot guns. I mean, he says, you know, lift weights. He's got kind of a handlebar mustache, too. So I guess that goes to. Is that. Is it a handlebar? Is that what we would call it? I think, right. Yeah, it's some form of mustache. And yeah, that's. They. They found this guy and I think they really like the tallorico. Thing to me is. Is just more for comedy value now than comedy value than anything else. I mean, Texans, you got to show up, you know, you never know. All that applies. The guy's just absurd for the state of Texas, this guy. If Democrats were casting who they wanted to be their head fake candidate in Maine, the party that, you know, wants to trans the kids and have the open borders and all this stuff, they actually want to present themselves in Maine as the party of Graham Platner still. And that's why this whole thing has turned into such a train wreck for them.

[Joel Osteen]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And I also think it's a great example of sometimes you know what you need, but you lack the skills to find the person who has the knowledge that you need. Let me give you an example, Buck. I. If you told me, hey, Clay, you have to watch mechanics in a car shop and you have to pick who the best mechanic is. I don't have the skill to know how to fix cars, to be able to tell you if I have five mechanics in front of me, which of those mechanics is the best. My car's broken down. I know that I need to get it fixed. I don't have the skill set when I'm getting talked to about how to get my car fixed. I don't know enough about cars to be able to pick the best mechanic. Democrats know that their party is broken with men, but they so lack the ability to connect with normal men that they can't actually pick someone who is the solution to the problem that they know they have. Right. That's how you get Tim Walls. Oh, well, he wears Carhartt. Oh, well, he wears boots. Oh, he was a former coach. Remember they tried to introduce him as Coach Walls. They didn't even call him governor. He's just like Eric Taylor on Friday Night Lights. We're going to win, football fans. And then people start watching him do the jazz hands and the kicks and everything else, and they say, this dude is not normal. He's not a normal guy. Same thing now with Platner, same thing with Talarico.

[Buck Sexton]

And the issue is for guys who are the archetype of what Platner was trying to represent and connect with, what the heck would you have in common with the Democrat party of 2026? And what really, you know, because there have. There are these things. There are. There are people who, for example, maybe they're in a. They're in like a machinist union or something. And they. Okay, there are exceptions, I get that. But if you look at the run of the mill white guy, American voter, what does he want to do with the Democrat Party these days? How is the Democrat Party here? Even more so. How is the Democrat party trying to cater to his interests in any meaningful way when they let in 10 million plus illegals in four years of Biden? All the affirmative action stuff, all the boss lady women's empowerment stuff. I mean, you go down this whole list, Democrats have a plan of what they Want to give to everybody at some level except white guys who work outside sometimes and maybe lift weight, shoot guns and have facial hair. I mean that's the demographic that they don't have.

[Clay Travis]

Here's the challenge that they've got Buck building on where they are right now. I think not only have they lost a lot of white guys, increasingly they are having trouble speaking to Hispanic, Asian and black guys. The Democrat party has a colossal issue with men in general. Now this is why I think your theory back in the day before he came out and said that he'd be okay with his 12 year old kid or whatever it was, transing himself. Wes Moore was supposed to be the normal guy. I think so far he has not on the national stage been able to answer questions because the Democrat party is so crazy that even a normal guy, and I do think Wes Moore, as Democrats go, may be a normal guy. Even a normal guy has to answer questions about Democrat party insanity which makes him abnormal and disconnected from the average male. Because I, I gotta be honest with you, there is not a single man listening to us right now. And I don't even think Wes Moore believed the answer he gave. Who is asked, what would you say if your 12 year old son decided he wanted to be a girl? I think every man listening to us right now, most women, but certainly every man would say, yeah, we're not doing that. You're 12, let's go through puberty. When you're over 18, you can make lifestyle choices that may be different. No man is saying, hey, let's talk about chopping your penis off. You're a girl, let's just chop your penis off, let's pump you full of estrogen. Like Wes Moore doesn't even believe that. But Democrat party orthodoxy is so crazy on some of these issues that you're having to have guys say I'm okay with a girl, with a boy competing in girl sports. You're not. But the, the, the barrier, even if you are a normal guy, the barrier to what you have to say is so far disconnected from normal masculinity that they are destroying any ability to connect.

[Buck Sexton]

The Democrat party now basically has a litmus test for exactly the things that you just laid out that eliminates the people who fail the test are run of the mill, normal everyday dudes, American dudes, that's who they, the bros out there, that's who they have such a disconnect with. They're aware of that. They know that. I mean just because demographically the data shows it and it's a threat to their power. But this is also leading them to make decisions like this, where all they want is authenticity. And they are inherently inauthentic about it, because you can't really be Graham Platner and be a Democrat as they want him to be. Right. I mean, there's no way. If you push this guy on some of these issues, he's going to say the things that he would need to say in order for Ms. Or Mississippi now to be happy with them and other oyster farmers to be happy with him. There's going to be a problem there.

[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

This is.

[Clay Travis]

This is such the cultural problem that Democrats have. And, Buck, this is why Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee in 2028, because men are not showing up to vote in big numbers in the Democrat primary. You know who is? Black women. And then she's going to show up when she's the nominee, Buck. And she's going to try to pick another bland white guy. And I think it'll be somebody like Andy Beshear, you know.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, who's surging right now in your favorite markets where the gambling occurs.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

A OC Is having a moment right now. I think it's because Gavin Newsom's had a rough week.

[Clay Travis]

Yep.

[Buck Sexton]

But AOC is increasingly talked about not as a. I've always thought she was the vice president, you know, nominee. I've always thought she was going to be the night. But people are saying now she could be top of the ticket.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think. And I could be wrong on this, but I. That makes sense to me, because the AOC rise really, to me, is partly about kneecapping Kamala Harris because she could have some of the same appeal to minority women as Kamala Harris. You know, all of the criticisms that we have about Kamala Harris, that she can't sit for an interview, that she's an empty vessel. I actually think AOC is a dumber version of Kamala. She's sophisticated on social media, but in terms of being able to actually answer complicated questions, I think AOC is not as intelligent as Kamala.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I did. I just.

[Clay Travis]

I think so.

[Graham Platner]

I think.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you're way off on this one. I think AOC has got about five IQ points on Kamala. I think she's smarter than Kamala.

[Clay Travis]

Whatever you think of Kamala, she passed the bar. What is AOC Ever done? She was a bartender in. I know she went to bu, but she went to a rich kid's school in Westchester. Tries to pretend now that she's AOC from the Bronx. Kamala passed a bar exam. She was an ag. She was.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay. She failed at first.

[Clay Travis]

That's true.

[Buck Sexton]

She failed at first. Okay.

[Clay Travis]

Not ideal for my argument. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think AOC could pass a bar exam.

[Buck Sexton]

I still think AOC is smarter than I think I. You know what I think this audience is with me. I think they think AOC if you had like a general knowledge test or if you just did like a straight up in depth iq. I think AOC has more cognitive ability than Kamala.

[Clay Travis]

This is a fun one. Let's put up a poll question who is smarter, AOC or Kamala. In the meantime, by the way, we'll get to some of your calls. We'll get some of your talk backs. If you're a camper outdoorsman, you want to take along Rapid Radios. Modern day walkie talkies. They'll work all over the place. Even if you find yourself in a dead cell zone or you're in a remote spot spot, having a rapid radio will keep you connected. Rapid Radios utilizes nationwide LTE network. Everybody's network, no matter where you are, you can connect. They fit into the palm of your hand. Push a button, boom, you can talk thousands of miles. Crystal clear audio, 100% private, 256 bit encryption. Anyone can listen inside of your network. No one can listen outside of your network. So you can talk to your family coast to coast and you don't have to worry about anybody else being able to hear. No contracts, no monthly fees, reasonable annual renewal fee. Rapid Radios.com use code bundle right now Rapid Radios.com code bundle and when you buy two, you get one free. You buy four, you get two free. You can get hooked up. Right now, every bundle includes a full year of service. Rapidradios.com bundle that's Rapidradios.com bundle. Level up your brain and balance out your day with the right amount of information and entertainment. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the I Hearts radio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Joel Osteen]

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[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

going to finish the Joel Osteen Daily Podcast.

[Joel Osteen]

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[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

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[Joel Osteen]

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[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Closing up shop for today. Wanna remind you, go check out the Clay and Buck podcast network. Got a lot of great shows there. Got this show up there hour by hour all. Also YouTube. We have a lot of YouTube, some people are saying, but you'd know that better than anybody. The greatest YouTube is the Clay and Buck YouTube channel, which you can all go and subscribe to, believe me. And yeah, that's all good stuff. I wanted to get to Zach in Oklahoma here. What's going on, Zach?

[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

Hey, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Good to talk to you. You too. So, yeah, I was told the call screener. I've got it.

[Clay Travis]

Take on Charlie Kirk. I've killed over 300 big game animals with a rifle and I can tell you that bullets can do some very

[Buck Sexton]

strange things when they hit tissue and bone. Yeah, yeah. They don't always go a 30 out 6 will not always go through and through in a deer, for example. So, yeah, I mean this is. People are. But this is why I asked. Thank you, Zach. Is that. Do you want to share that? Anything else?

[Announcer]

No, that's it.

[Buck Sexton]

No. Hey, appreciate that. And you're somebody who knows he's talking about. But this is, you know, again, trying to be respectful and invite different points of view here for people who want to talk things out in a civil fashion, whatever the topic may be. But if you're going to question the expertise of the people that are testifying about this in law enforcement, you want to know something about what you're talking about, right? And the notion that the. That this, the bullet itself is somehow dispositive, it proves that this guy didn't do it is. I just think there's. That's frankly absurd. I just think it's an absurd take. I've. I've heard it a lot from people. I've seen it a lot on. On online. It's. If that is the objection to Tyler Robinson did this, that is not a. That is not a rational objection, as in a, you know, that does not prove innocence or even reasonable doubt.

[Clay Travis]

I just would come back to hundreds of law enforcement are involved in this investigation. Cash Patel is personal friends with Charlie Kirk. President Trump is personal friends with Charlie Kirk. J.D. vance is personal friends with Charlie Kirk. Donald Trump Jr. Personal friends with Charlie Kirk. His wife and his parents are all there for the trial. In order for your conspiracy to be true, all of the people who knew and loved Charlie Kirk the most are either being lied to, and hundreds of investigators are all lying. For what reason? To try to frame someone, to allow someone else to go free. It doesn't add up.

[Buck Sexton]

Someone weighed in on something very important here. E. Sena from New Mexico. Hit it, guys.

[Announcer]

So as far as who's smarter, AOC or Kamala? Aoc And I use the Kardashian theory. The Kardashians, everybody thinks they're dumb, but they're really not. I mean, they didn't do anything. And look how. They're worth millions, right? Same thing with the aoc. She didn't go to law school or anything, but somehow she figured out a way to get into office.

[Buck Sexton]

I think the. I think that the Kardashians are worth more like a billion plus, by the way.

[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

Oh, yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Not just millions.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, they're billionaires. But I think the brains behind much of the Kardashian team is Kris Jenner, who actually I do believe is Mark. The answer is Kamala, sadly. We'll be back tomorrow.

[Joel Osteen]

What God started in my life, he's

[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

going to finish the Joel Osteen Daily Podcast.

[Joel Osteen]

Surely goodness and mercy will follow me all the days of my life. What was meant for my harm. Lord, I want to thank you. Right now, you're turning to my advantage.

[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

Your daily source of hope and encouragement.

[Joel Osteen]

Your second wind is on its way. God is about to breathe on your life in a new way.

[Joel Osteen Podcast Promoter]

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