Hour 3 - Border Czar Tom Homan

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Hour 3 - Border Czar Tom Holman
Release Date: April 25, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In the third hour of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show," hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve deep into the pressing issue of U.S. border security by interviewing Tom Holman, the current Border Czar. The episode provides a comprehensive overview of the administration's strategies to secure the borders, the challenges faced, and the broader implications of immigration policies under different administrations.

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Interview with Tom Holman on Border Security

Assessing the First 100 Days

Clay Travis begins by discussing his recent meeting with Tom Holman at the White House, focusing on Holman's assessment of the initial 100 days in his role.

• Tom Holman [03:38]:
  "We're kicking ass. I mean, look at the numbers. In seven weeks, we got border crossings down over 90% and right now as of today, we're down 96%. So based on the data, real data, we have the most secure border in the history of this nation today, which is a huge success."

Holman highlights three key metrics demonstrating the administration's success:

1. Reduction in Border Crossings: A 96% decrease in illegal border crossings.
2. Decrease in "Gotaways": Down from 1,800 per day under Biden to less than 40 per day.
3. Apprehensions: A significant drop from over 11,000 daily apprehensions under Biden to just 178 on a recent day.

Comparison to the Biden Administration

Holman contrasts the current administration's policies with those of the previous one, emphasizing efficiency and stricter enforcement.

• Tom Holman [05:20]:
  "President Trump did in seven weeks what Joe Biden couldn't do in four years. We already secured the border at record levels during Trump 45, and we knew what we needed to do to get it back."

He criticizes the Biden administration for releasing large numbers of illegal immigrants and overwhelming the immigration system, ultimately hindering effective deportations.

Impact of Policy Changes

Holman explains how policy shifts have influenced the current immigration landscape, including self-deportation trends and the use of apps for reporting.

• Tom Holman [06:44]:
  "How significant do you think CBP1 app. I think we're over 5,000 already. A lot of people are just self-reporting without going through the CBP1 app."

He notes that with the border security measures in place, many illegal immigrants are choosing to leave voluntarily, further reducing the number of unauthorized individuals residing in the U.S.

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Challenges Faced

Judicial Obstacles and Long-Game Strategies

Holman addresses the systemic challenges posed by the judiciary and Democratic strategies aimed at prolonging the deportation process.

• Tom Holman [09:24]:
  "They’re playing the long game. They knew if they overwhelmed the system, these people couldn’t be returned right away. Maybe by the time five years roll around, seven years roll around, they have a Democratic administration. All of a sudden, boom, amnesty across the board."

He criticizes district court judges for issuing nationwide injunctions that impede ICE operations, arguing that such legal barriers prevent the swift deportation of illegal immigrants.

• Tom Holman [09:43]:
  "District court judges shouldn’t have to put a nationwide injunction outside of their district. They’re working with sanctuary city judges, radical judges, and NGOs."

Specific Incidents: Milwaukee Judge Case

Clay Travis highlights a recent incident involving a Milwaukee judge accused of obstructing ICE efforts, as described by Attorney General Pam Bondi.

• Clay Travis [27:22]:
  "An ICE agent is prepared to take this individual into custody. The judge is furious, runs interference, and sneaks the defendant out to avoid federal custody."

This case underscores the real-world implications of judicial resistance to federal immigration enforcement.

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Listener Reactions

Support for Tom Holman

Listeners express strong support for Holman and his efforts to secure the border amid significant personal and professional challenges.

• Trent from Denver [46:08]:
  "The guy is truly a legend. He’s a true American hero. It’s legendary what he’s doing. I wish it didn’t have to come to this, but he’s definitely the right guy for the job."

Trent emphasizes Holman's dedication and the importance of his role in maintaining national security.

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Clay Travis on Democratic Strategies and Future Implications

Clay Travis synthesizes the discussion, emphasizing the administration's efforts to secure the border against Democratic tactics aimed at undermining immigration enforcement.

• Clay Travis [46:49]:
  "Democrats are exploiting the incompatibility between the law that allows them to come in and the law that allows them to be sent out. They’re playing the long game because their gamble is there will not be the political power to get these people out once they get in."

He warns of the potential for ongoing border security issues if Democratic administrations continue their current approach, highlighting the necessity for strong and consistent enforcement to prevent future overwhelm.

• Clay Travis [46:49]:
  "When they flood in millions of more people, they want it to become such a mess that amnesty is given. Democrats are gambling that those granted amnesty will vote for them, securing their political power for generations."

Acknowledging Personal Sacrifices

Clay concludes by acknowledging the personal toll on individuals like Tom Holman, who work tirelessly under immense pressure.

• Clay Travis [23:24]:
  "You just heard me ask Tom Holman how many hours a week you’re working? He’s basically working all the time. He’s got a huge security detail because nobody is getting more personal threats against him and his family."

He commends Holman's dedication and humanity, particularly his efforts to support families affected by immigration policies.

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Notable Quotes

• Tom Holman [03:38]:
  "We have the most secure border in the history of this nation today, which is a huge success."

• Tom Holman [09:24]:
  "They’re playing the long game... They knew if they overwhelmed the system, these people couldn’t be returned right away."

• Trent from Denver [46:08]:
  "The guy is truly a legend. He’s a true American hero."

• Clay Travis [46:49]:
  "Democrats are exploiting the incompatibility between the law that allows them to come in and the law that allows them to be sent out."

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Key Takeaways

1. Significant Reduction in Illegal Border Crossings: The administration reports a 96% decrease in border crossings, attributing this success to stringent border security measures.

2. Challenges with Judicial Interference: Federal immigration enforcement faces significant obstacles from district court judges issuing nationwide injunctions, hindering ICE operations.

3. Long-Term Democratic Strategy: The Biden administration is accused of employing a long-game strategy to overwhelm the immigration system, aiming for eventual amnesty to secure political support.

4. Personal Sacrifices by Law Enforcement: Individuals like Tom Holman are working tirelessly, often at great personal cost, to uphold border security amidst escalating threats and challenges.

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This episode offers a critical perspective on current U.S. immigration policies, highlighting the administration's efforts to secure the borders while navigating complex legal and political challenges. Through Tom Holman's insights, listeners gain an in-depth understanding of the strategies employed to reduce illegal immigration and the obstacles faced in enforcing these policies.

Transcript

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Welcome back in our number three, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the final hour of the 14 hours. Up 15 hours underway now the 15th hour of the program and I'm up in D.C. right now and I spent some time over at the White House earlier today. Got to talk with Tom Holman who is implementing Donald Trump's border policy. And certainly a news breaking day in that arena. We talked a couple of hours ago this morning just next door to the White House in the Old Executive Office Building. This is what it sounded like. And it started with this first question for me, for Tom Homan, how would he assess the first hundred days of the work that they've been able to do so far and how well has it gone? This is what it sounded like.

[Tom Holman]

We're kicking ass. I mean, look at the numbers. I mean in seven weeks we got border crossings down over 90% and right now as today, we're down 96%. So based on the data, real data, we have the most secure border in the history of this nation today, which is a huge success. And other than just the numbers being down 96%, there's two other metrics I look at on the board that extraordinary. Under Joe Biden, we averaged 1800 got aways a day. 1800 known, got away as people we know across the border, but got away because the Borg patrol is too busy changing diapers, making baby form and so forth. We went from 1800 a day to less than 40. 40 is 42 minutes. We'll get them. We'll get them too. But, and, and, and, and the other number is of those that we apprehend every day under Joe Biden, we got over 11,000 a day. Today's number was 178. 11,278. The third metric I look at is how many people got released from the border because President Trump ended catching release, right? So from inauguration date to April 1st last year, January 20th, April 1st, last run of Biden, they released 184,000 people, illegal aliens into the United States. Same type here on Trump 9. Four of them were material witnesses we needed for criminal trial. Four was extremely urgent medical needs that we couldn't remove. Got to take care of the medical needs right away. And one was for a humanitarian reason. I think it was some sort of organ transplant for a dying child. 184,000 to 9. So we have the most secure border in the history of this nation right now.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so the border is secure is one of the biggest lies we were ever told. That Congress had to act to secure the border.

[Tom Holman]

President Trump did in seven weeks with Joe Biden couldn't have went to him four years. Like the president said, you just need a new president. Right. So we already secured the border at record levels during Trump 45 and we knew what we needed to do to get it back. Plus we're taking additional steps in addition to what we did before. Again, he achieved the most secure border in seven weeks. But now it's a record achievement because we're even securing it at a higher level now. You know president was able to do this because of his out of box thinker. Right. Whether you remain in Mexico program Thursday plus the consequences. People now know you come to our border, you're not being released in the United States. Go hide out. So you can't have strong border security if you don't have strong interior enforcement and consequences. So all this just plays into a great success.

[Clay Travis]

How many people do you think are illegally in the country right now?

[Tom Holman]

20 million.

[Clay Travis]

20 million? If there are 20 million, two part build on that. Do you think some people are now self deporting because they're aware that there are consequences for being here illegally? Do you think that's a real thing that's happening?

[Tom Holman]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

You do.

[Tom Holman]

How significant do you think CBP1 app. I think we're, if I remember correct, we're over 5,000 already. A lot of people are just self reporting without going through the CBP home app. The intelligence report showing caravans heading south. The daring gap which hundreds of thousands of people go north. Now people are going south.

[Clay Travis]

Oh wow.

[Tom Holman]

It's not shut down. Yeah. It's going south.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Tom Holman]

People realize that there's no free ride anymore. You're not going to be arrested at the border and released. You're going to be either immediately returned, you're going to be detained until we return you. You're not walking away from the border.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. So if, if some people are starting to self deport, obviously much of the media attention has been on the intentional deportations that are occurring inside of the country. And it seems to me, and you correct me if I'm wrong here we had a policy where Joe Biden lets 10 million plus illegals in. You said you think there's roughly 20 million illegals in the country at best case scenario rates right now, it would appear that we're deporting around 350,000 people on average a year. It seems like they have set up a policy where as many people illegally basically as possible can come in and then they're trying to restrict clearly the ability to send those people back out by throwing everything in front, legal obstacles, everything else. Is that an accurate assessment Picture absolutely.

[Tom Holman]

Is what they did. They played the long term plan. Right. They're playing the long game and they're pretty smart about it. You bring 10.5 million people into the country, you release the vast majority into the country. And not in ICE detention because they were placing IC detention at $127 a night for a bed. They get a hearing within 35 days. Yeah, we know. Nine out of 10 do not qualify for asylum. They get immediately removed. And nine out of 10, that's the immigration court data from 10 years. So let's not put them in icy tension because they'll get hearing within 35 days and go home. Let's release them and put them in a hotel room at 500 bucks a night, giving three meals a day, getting free medical care, giving work authorization within 920 days. Exactly why they came here. Not because of asylum, but to get a better life. I understand that purposely overwhelmed the system. So they backed the immigration court up on purpose. So now it's going to take three, five, seven years. If you go through all the appeal process could be as highest nine like courts in New York City. They knew if they overwhelmed the system, these people couldn't be returned right away. And maybe by the time that five years rolls around, seven years rolls around, they have a democratic administration. All of a sudden, boom, amnesty across the board.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Tom Holman]

So they're, they're long game. That's what they intended to do. That's not, it's not by accident. Isn't incompetence, isn't, you know, it's mismanagement. This is by design. They're what we're doing now, we're trying to move people as quick as possible. But now you got radical judges and district court. You got a district court judge issues a national injunction.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Tom Holman]

District. I used to work district. Right. So that's why we're taking this to the Supreme Court. District court judge shouldn't have to put a nationwide injunction outside of his district. They're sworn between sanctuary cities judges, radical judges and the NGOs. And people like AOC says she's going to educate people as to the constitutional rights. Don't open the door for ice. Don't talk to ice. You and I both know her end game is evaded law enforcement. That's about the change real fast. I'm not going to, I'm not going to talk about it right now. But next two weeks you want to see. We're no longer going to. We're no longer accept that. You're going to open the door or we're going to prosecute you. We're done. So with all these things working against us, we still got three times. We arrested three times more criminal aliens than Joe Biden did an entire year. We're accomplished that in two months. So ICE is rocking and rolling, but we could do a lot more if we didn't have these radical judges putting national nationwide injunction on us.

[Clay Travis]

You are constantly having to answer the accusation that you're raiding schools, that you're raiding churches, that you're going after kids. It's not true. But what do you want people to hear directly from you on that accusation?

[Tom Holman]

Sensitive location policy. Said ICE couldn't make arrests and sets of location churches, schools, hospitals, daycare centers and all this other stuff. We were the only federal law enforcement agency in the nation who had such a policy. FBI don't have that policy. DEA don't have that policy. ATF don't have that policy. So we did the way the policy could. We're sending a clear message. Significant public safety threats or national security threats have no sanctuary. For instance, we got an MS.13 member who was a senior in high school and we're looking for him. We can't find him. But now we got information he's sitting in a classroom right now. Significant public safety threat. We're going to that school with local authorities. We're going to place them under arrest. We're not going to sweep the school. We're not going to ask every student at school nationality. Same thing with churches. We know there's a national security connected with terrorism. He's attending mass. We're going to go to the church and we'll arrest him. Now we'll probably arrest him on his way out. We'll send somebody and watch, make sure he leaves. But we're going. There's no sanctuary for criminals and national security threats. And that's what the policy is about. You're not going to see a school being sweeped or a church being sweeped or any of that stuff. It's just garbage. But the left media puts that out and putting fear in the immigrant community to turn the tide against us. Right. I promise from day one we're going to be transparent with the American people. We can't lose the faith and support the American people. But the left's working real hard to send misinformation out. So people say, okay, maybe ICE is a radical group. I read last night, waste is compared to the Nazis, for God's sakes. And you look at what they're doing, they're concentrating public safety threats and national security threats. And the data clearly shows it. Every public safety threat we arrest in deport, this country's that much safer.

[Clay Travis]

When you see Democrats flying to El Salvador to make, in theory the focal point of your deportation policy, a alleged wife beater, a guy who was clearly adjudicated to be here illegally. Evidence a massive amount that he is an MS.13 gang member, and evidence out of Tennessee that he may well have been engaged in human trafficking because he was driving a human trafficker's car. And. And all the people that were in that vehicle were let go by Joe Biden's FBI. Are you sometimes in disbelief that this is the guy they decided to decide that they need to go to war to defend?

[Tom Holman]

Actually, I am. I mean, I knew I said it on numerous radio shows after President Trump won and we're waiting to come back in. I said, day one, they're going, they're going to vilify the men and women of ice. They're going to vilify the men and women of the border and everybody in this administration who's going to enforce immigration law. I call it day one. But I said they're going capture, capture a video first woman or child crying and play it on a reel over and over again. Yeah, I never thought for a moment they're going to support an MS.13 gang member designated terrorists that we removed to his homeland. He's home.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Tom Holman]

And we did the right thing and. But I find it, you know, I'm shocked every day that more want to go down there and hug him. Just it's ridiculous. And Van Halen went down there the day before he took went to El Salvador. There's an illegal alien that was charged with murder, released from custody. They ignored the ICE detainer and released into the street and we took custody back home. Rachel Morin was murdered in Maryland. How come he's not beaten with angel moms and dads? I mean, he ought to be fixing sanctuary status of that state rather than going and hugging on Ms. 13 terrorists. I find it shocking, but, you know, I Hope they keep doing it.

[Clay Travis]

How many hours a day are you working right now?

[Tom Holman]

I don't know. I work.

[Clay Travis]

How many hours do you sleep?

[Tom Holman]

When I leave, I can tell you this, since January 20th, I think I've had total days off without working. 4. I mean, even I'm home, I'm on my computer, working my security detail. I got the best security detail that exists. And these, these guys, they're awesome. And there are a lot of death threats against me and my family. And, and I'm working these guys to death. I mean, they're working seven days a week. And it's a tough job, but, you know, it's just, what we're doing is historic. When I retire for the third time, I'm going to say, okay, I'm done now.

[Clay Travis]

What are you going to do when you retire?

[Tom Holman]

I'll probably keep raising hell. The Democrat administration comes and tries to undo everything we did. I'm hoping Congress fix that. Congress and change a few laws to make this permanent so every four years we don't have to worry about another president coming in, undoing it all.

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[Tom Holman]

Because I'm a father and my worst nightmare is to bury my child. I've held many dying children throughout my career on the border. I've. I've found many dead children. And every child I see the face of God. And every child I've ever met, I don't care who that child is. So I was asked by a Capitol Police officer who's friends with his family, is there any way we can get him into White House and just look at the Resolute desk. Just, just see where the, the boss sits. I'm doing it. I think it's the right thing to do. And as a father, I just, you know, God bless the family. I just. It's any parent's worst nightmare. So I'll do whatever I can to bring a smile to his face, but it's. It's just a sad story all the way around.

[Clay Travis]

I wanted to close with that because when we sat down for the interview, he just said, hey, I've got to go. I've got 15 minutes. And he told me what he was going to be doing. But I think it speaks to Tom Homan. The guy is working almost every hour of every day to try to secure our nation's borders and to try to get bad guys out of this country. He's got a huge security detail because I bet second or third, probably to Trump and Elon Musk. Nobody is getting more personal threats against him and his family than Tom Homan is right now. And yet he still has the decency and humanity to be thinking, even amid all of those jobs, hey, I'm going to make the time to take a kid into the oval office who's 9 years old and has a severe, potentially deadly disease that he and his family are dealing with. I mean, I just think it's almost impossible not to love this guy. And to be as committed to his craft, to be as committed to what he's doing as he is should be an inspiration to all of us. Donald Trump made a hell of a hire with Tom Homan. When you think of Israel, you think of its history, you think of its innovation, ability to defend itself as a nation. You don't think everyone knows where's the nearest bomb shelter or has a plan to stay in contact with loved ones in the event of a missile attack. It's anything but normal there in that sense. But that's what is required. And that's one reason we're partnering with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to help provide life saving aid and security essentials. Your urgently needed gift today will go towards bomb shelters, flak jackets, bulletproof vests, armored security vehicles, ambulances, so much more. Call to make your gift at 888-488-IFCJ. You're also going to be helping to feed the elderly cut off from resources. SupportIFCJ.org that's support IFCJ.org welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. I'm up in D.C. you just heard my interview with Tom Holman, Buck out for the last hour as he is racing around with the new baby and family in town. We started off the show, though, a couple of hours ago talking about a judge in Milwaukee who was arrested for violating the law indefinitely, protecting, according to the accusations, someone who was in the process of being deported by ice. And the exact details of what that judge in the Milwaukee area had done had not been out. Attorney General Pam Bondi was just on FOX News explaining why that arrest occurred and what the judge did. Listen to this.

[Buck Sexton]

Rare for victims to want to cooperate. They wanted to cooperate. They were sitting in the courtroom with the state prosecutor. The judge learns that ICE was outside to get the guy because he had been deported in 2013, came back in our country, commits these crimes, charged with committing these crimes, victims in court. Judge finds out. She goes out in the hallway, screams at the immigration officers. She's furious, visibly shaken, upset, sends them off to talk to the chief judge. She comes back in the courtroom, you're going to believe this, takes the defendant and the defense attorney back, back in her chambers, takes him out of private exit and tells him to leave while a State prosecutor and victims of domestic violence are sitting in the courtroom.

[Clay Travis]

That is Attorney General Pam Bondi describing what she said happened in a Milwaukee courtroom. And again, to just unpack what she said there. There are witnesses that are prepared to testify about the crimes that this illegal alien has committed. There is an ICE agent who is aware that this person should not be in the country and is prepared to take the take this individual into custody. The judge is furious, runs interference, sends the ICE agent to talk to a chief judge in the courthouse and then brings the defense attorney and the illegal immigrant into her chambers and sneaks them out the back exit so that ICE can't take him into custody. Assuming that all of that is true, which is exactly what Pam Bondi just laid out, it's pretty jaw dropping that a judge would undertake that activity, clearly in contravention of the law. But a caller earlier asked the question, and I think this is what Tom Holman was suggesting to me in that interview when he said, over the next couple of weeks we're going to be doing way more with people who are breaking federal immigration law. A lot of different individuals out there have been arguing that they will not enforce federal immigration law. That's the basis to a large extent of the sanctuary city dynamic. There are a lot of mayors out there of big American cities that have basically said we're not going to cooperate with the federal government when it comes to trying to deport illegals that are in our cities. That's the entire concept of sanctuary cities. It's we're not going to in any way coordinate with the federal government. Now a little bit that can be a challenge because there's a difference between sometimes coordination and obstruction. What is that fine line between we're not going to participate and help you and we're actually going to obstruct you from doing your job. I would argue that when you are not cooperating, you are in some way obstructing somebody from doing their job. But certainly you're obstructing when you are a judge. And according to Pam Bondi, you are opening the back door exit of your chambers to allow someone who would have otherwise gone into federal custody to avoid going into federal custody. And it's going to take some of these individuals being prosecuted in order for others to understand what the consequences are for behavior such as this. We've got to talk back. Trent in Denver, Colorado. He's at Freedom 9307. By the way, thanks to our DC affiliate. I am broadcasting from Freedom 104.7 you can listen to us here in the DC area. Here is what Trent had to say reacting to the Tom Holman interview. Hey, Clay. Love everything you guys do. Love the interview with Tom Holman. The guy is truly a legend. He's a true American hero. It's. It's legendary what he's doing. I wish it didn't have to come to this, but, you know, he's definitely the right guy for the job and, you know, proud to be his fellow American. You know, another part of that interview, and I think the interview will be up on video. You'll be able to see it if you want to see the video from my Twitter account here in a little bit. But I asked him about his reaction to Joe Biden trying to claim that the guys who were. If you remember, in the early days of the Biden administration, there was a viral photo of Border Patrol agents, one guy on a horse trying to stop somebody from being able to cross illegally into the country. And the Biden team compared those actions to slavery, even said that the reins on the horse were basically being used to whip people, if you remember that. And then they had an investigation, and they found out, oh, that's. None of that's true, actually. Everything that. That this individual and the Border Patrol was doing was completely appropriate. There is a huge cadre of people out there. Many of them might be, well, listening to us right now, who went into the job at Border Patrol designed to protect America's borders. And over the four years of Joe Biden, suddenly, basically, as Tom Holman said, became a glorified Uber driver for illegal immigrants, as we just waved 10.5 million people into this country. And Tom Holman's saying, from a political perspective, this is the long game that's clearly being played by Democrats. And I think this is super important. We have sealed the southern border. You heard Tom Holman. The number of people that are actually getting into the country now is very small. So for all intents and purposes, our southern border is shut, and people are even being able to leave. They're actively deporting themselves. But what they recognize is in order to get 10.5 million illegals out of this country, we would have to average over the next four years, deporting a little bit over 2.5 million people a year. Right now, we're on pace to deport 350,000. That means just to get all of the Joe Biden illegals out at this pace, it would take roughly 30 years of constant work. That's presuming there's no Democrat administrations. That's presuming there are no changes in current immigration policy that we have today, which I think it's fair for you and me and everybody out there to acknowledge is highly unlikely. It would take 30 years just to get out the four years worth of illegals that Joe Biden allowed to enter this country. That's pretty wild to think about. And Democrats, trust me, have done that map, done that math, and they understand that it is in their favor and it's why they are using the courts to try to keep the deportation process so slow. And some of you probably going to email me because I get these emails. You're going to say, well, Obama or Clinton or insert George W. Bush, whichever president you want to cite. Well, they deported millions of people. That's not an accurate reflection of the numbers because they used to count as a deportation someone who was not allowed to enter the country. So everyone who was trying to come illegally when we still had a border, they were counted as if they had been deported when they weren't allowed to enter the country. The manpower required to take 2 million plus people inside of the country is substantial and get them out of the country. And that's why the Trump team is trying to be aggressive in the way that they apply immigration law. Because if they're not, then there's no way they can get much more than a couple of hundred thousand people a year out of this country, which means long range Democrats have won because they know that ultimately there's never going to be a process in place to get out all the people that we need to. All right, I'll take some of your calls. We'll close up shop next on the week. 800-282-28882. But I want to tell you, rapid radios are a modern walkie talkie that can allow you to connect with anybody in the US they're super helpful if there's a power outage for intra, for instance. We've had that recently in my area. You can get hooked up, they're ready out of the box. Battery life can last for five days without charging. We have them in the event of catastrophe. We also have them because my fourth grader likes to play around with these rapid radio walkie talkies. 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[Tom Holman]

Listen, it's the way Shador dresses. It's the way he talks and his culture, in my opinion, you see him at the draft last night. He's wearing all black, he got the ill chain on and he talks like a rapper. And, and you know, I keep hearing, oh, he's entitled. He feels entitled. I don't know. It's like these white boys that came before him don't feel entitled. Eli Manning, Archie Manning, when they said he don't want to play for San Diego, don't draft me, that's not entitlement. But that was acceptable. That was okay. This is a black man with means, comes from a home with means and has extreme confidence and is not submitting to y'all in your NFL culture in the way y'all want to.

[Clay Travis]

So the new racism is if your dad's actually rich, then teams are racist against you because you're already rich. This is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard, but it's the kind of argument you would expect from a guy who pulled a fire emergency fire alarm and then had to plead guilty to a misdemeanor over it and then couldn't even win a Democrat primary. But I did think that that was interesting in and of itself. Now there are several people who want to weigh in variety of different topics out there. And let me go ahead and hear first from David in New Orleans. We're talking with Tom Holman in the third hour about the challenges associated with deporting as many people as possible. And you've got to take what you got for us.

[Tom Holman]

Yes, sir. I just, it just occurred to me, listening to the recitation of the statistics of what it takes to do the deportation effort and how the Democrats are dragging it out, why isn't it just prudent for the administration to just proceed apace and just swamp the system? Because that's what the Democrats are trying to do, just go ahead and swamp the system with deportations and force the courts to completely resolve this by forcing them to make a national stand on whether or not the president has the authority to do it.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for the call. I think it's a smart question to some extent. I think that's what's occurring. They're looking for the courts to rule that the deportation process from the president should be as permissible as the entry of illegal immigrants was. And this is really the essence of the dispute here, which is so significant. Joe Biden was able to bring in 10.5 million illegal immigrants. The law allowed him to do that. The law does not right now allow Donald Trump to deport 10.5 million people as easily as it allowed them to come into the country. And so what Democrats are doing is they are exploiting the incompatibility between the law that allows them to come in and the law that allows them to be sent out. And Tom Holman, I think nailed it when he said they're playing the long game because their gamble is there will not be the political power wherewithal and also the legal ability to get these people out once they get in. And the alarming part here is all we've done is stop the flow. Granted, there's a few hundred thousand that are going back out, but 95% of the people who came here illegally are still here. The challenge that is unfortunate, but I think you have to be cognizant of and aware of if there is another Democrat president elected, he or she will do the same things that Joe Biden did. And what is now a stopped secure southern border will then become wide open all over again and they'll flood in millions and millions of more people. And what they want it to become is such a mess in this country because there are so many illegals that then at some point in time, amnesty is given. And when amnesty is given, Democrats are gambling that the people who are given amnesty are overwhelmingly going to be more likely to vote for them, which allows them to have political power for generations and generations to come. That is the game plan. Otherwise none of it makes any sense. That is what they are working towards and that is what Tom Homan and many people in ICE are trying to fight back against. We love all of you. Thank you for spending 15 hours with us. I'll be back with Buck on Monday. See y'all then.

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