Buck Sexton (22:06)
So I've got a lot of thoughts about this and I do want to hear from some of you. Although we're going to be coming to the close of the show here pretty soon, so maybe get your talk backs ready, your emails ready, because we won't have that much time for calls. Here's, here's what I see on this. This guy was part of these Colombia protests. Mahmoud Khalil. We'll just call him Khalil from here on out in Arabic class. My Arabic name was Khaled, for those who want to know. Back in the day. It's been a while. I could still write it, I guess, if I had to. So, yeah. Anyway, so this guy Khalil, he was arrested at his home by ICE agents and is facing deportation. He's a big pro Palestinian guy. Now, this is where it all gets kind of. This is where a lot of the fighting happens, right? Because they say, well, you're allowed to be pro Palestinian. Okay. Yeah, you're allowed to be pro Palestinian. Sure. I'm talking about First Amendment stuff. But are you pro Palestinian, you pro Hamas? Hamas is a terrorist entity. If you are selling T shirts to raise money for Hamas, it's a designated terrorist. And I'm not saying he did this. I'm just working through some of the, the, you know, the intricacies here of this, of this case. If you're selling T shirts or mugs, you know, if you're selling a mug, I heart Hamas. First of all, you're a lunatic. Second of all, and you're trying to send that money to Hamas, that's material support to a terrorist organization. I think you can get 10 year, 10 years federal for that. Right? So that's clearly a violation of the law, and that's for anybody. You're here as an American green card. Hold it. Doesn't matter any. You can't do that. You're on. You're in U.S. jurisdiction of any kind, and you're doing material support for terrorist organization. Now, can you speak in favor of a terrorist organization under the First Amendment? Clearly you can. So you can say, you know, I, you can say that I agreed with, you know, the plans of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi to create a caliphate or something. You know, you can say that, but you can't take any steps to advance or assist or help because then again, we get back to material support, you can't be a U.S. spokesman for that group, then you're definitely going to Gitmo or something. So there are places where this crosses over very quickly. Here is what we know about this guy Khalil. He was at Columbia. He was a prominent Face of these, again, they call them protests. It was really. There were Jewish students who were, you know, hounded and harassed on campus. I hate all of that. Like, I, you know how I feel about Israel's fight against Hamas could not be more in favor of Israel doing what it needs to defend itself. You know how I feel about anti Semitism. And it has no place anywhere. And here's the only place where I have a little bit of a question about this. On the one hand, I feel very strongly that if you're, if you're a guest here, you've got to be on. Meaning if you're not, you know, if you're somebody who's visited, and this even includes people who have a green card, you're not yet a citizen. If you break the law, you gotta go. You gotta go, right? That I am. And that has not been the case, as we've seen, with a lot of. There's so, so much of a lack of enforcement on this. But if you break the law, you gotta go. And it doesn't have to be like a rape or a murder. It's just if you break the law and you are charged with a crime, you gotta go. The issue that I see here is this guy, I don't believe has been charged with any crime. I don't believe he's been charged with any crime. He, his behavior, from what I can gather from everything, is abhorrent. I disagree with him on everything. I think he's a scumbag. He's a guest in this country. Yes. So he has that elevated, that elevated expectation of, you know, you don't get to just do whatever. Like, you don't get. And now in the actual laws that pertain to this with. When it comes to immigration, there are, you know, there are things that specifically cite a desire to overthrow the United States by force. So if you're. Even so there are ideological places where, you know, first of it, if you come to this country and you're. Let's say you're from communist China and you are visiting on a student visa and you start saying out in public, I think that there should be a violent revolution to overthrow the United States government. I'm out. We can, we can kick your butt out of here. That is in the law. There's no, no doubt about that. Right. That is, that is statute. I actually was reading the statute before I came on this morning to make sure a lot of immigration statutes are ignored, as we know, and that should not be the case because they are existing law. Just like all the other laws with this guy. Where I think it gets interesting is, has he, if he's going to be sent home as a, as somebody who's here on a student visa as a green card holder. I've heard both, by the way. Guys, can we check on that? Is he a green card holder or is he here on a student visa? Or is it, is it one, then the other? Is it both? Got to check his status. You should be on your best behavior here. You do not have the full rights of a citizen here. Obviously you can't vote. There's a whole bunch of things. If you're a guest here, you, you should just be thankful and total obedience to the law. If he broke the law, and that's why we're sending him home. Well, there should, there should at least be a charge filed, right, that somebody should charge him with. And there's a bunch that I think would apply here. Harassment and, you know, intimidation. Menacing, I believe is a statute in the penal code in New York City, if memory serves, from when I was in the nypd, briefly in the nypd and I was kind of like a hired nerd for the nypd. I wasn't doing the like real cop stuff, but I think menacing would be in there. You know, assault and battery, destruction of property, any of that. But to say that he's done it and therefore we're kicking him out without him being charged with any of that, that I know he's a scumbag. I don't like this guy or what he stands for either. But we, there, there is due, like there is due process. We still do need due process. So has he gotten that due process yet? That, that is a question that I have about this. A judge has already blocked, now it's, I'm sure, a left wing judge, his removal from the US Pending an action on habeas. As in why is this guy in custody? This is going to get interesting. Because if he's in custody for not, you know, for saying bad things, okay, well, that's not really a crime. If he's in custody for breaking laws, let's bring that charge and then let's go and let's find him guilty and then let's send his ass home. Very straightforward. Again, I'm all for you have to behave and you have to obey the law in this country. If, especially if you're a visitor or else you go home. No, no if, ands or buts. But if we're saying that he was trying to call for the violent. I think he wanted to call for. By the way, I'm raising questions here. I haven't been able to look at everything this guy's ever said. And there's. I think he said he wants to. The downfall of Western civilization. Right? And that's where we get to. Can you look at the downfall of Western civilization as the equivalent in statute of a violent overthrow of the United States government? You know, it's, it's getting pretty close. This is where the judgment starts to come in again. Anybody who wants the violent overthrow of, or the overthrow rather of Western civilization, I'm opposed to with every fiber of my being. It would be a disaster not just for those of us who live in Western civilization, but for the rest of the world because we kind of prop up civilization for everybody else to. Just saying. So I want to see what, what exactly it was that. And this is going to come out in the habeas. Habeas corpus petition, right? This is what they're fighting over. Okay, well, why is this guy in custody? And I keep hearing all of these different things and now I'm just going to. I'm going to say this. Is this applicable in this case, specifically applying to issues of anti Semitism and anti Jewish speech on campus? Is it going to be applied to other speech on campus that is particularly problematic? And who is going to determine what that problematic speech may be? I bring it up because. Let's just fast forward. Forget about where we are now. Our team, the good guys are in charge. And I know it's like we trust them, right? For the most part. We. You go to a. If I say AOC administration, you'll all just start laughing. So you won't even follow the analogy. But you go to a Gavin Newsom, you're probably still laughing. A Gavin Newsom administration. And somebody on campus wants to say or is saying things that are highly, highly offensive to Democrats. Are they going to be able to. And they're visiting, right? They're not an American citizen. They do not have full citizenship rights. Are Democrats going to be able to say you're calling for the extermination of trans people. You're calling for violence against trans people. I know you're going to tell me, oh, no, come on. These people think that a man can become a woman. You don't think they're going to make this argument at some point if we start to open this up again? There has to be. I just want to know what the clear process is here. Mahmoud Khalil stands for everything, stands against everything. That I stand for on the issues that concerns him or on the reasons. And his anti Semitism is vile and the guy shouldn't be in this country. But I just want, and this is where the habeas petition comes in. We need clarity on, well, what is the reason that he's being removed? Because if, if the executive branch can point to someone and say, well, you're a visitor here and I just don't like what you're saying. Even if in this case it's fully warranted and we totally agree with it, there's a precedent that they can just tell people, oh no, you're not allowed to come here and say that you're not allowed to come here as a, as a refugee from say as a white refugee from South Africa, which is another thing that Trump has been talking about and talk about the state racism in South Africa against white South Africa. No, no, no, not allowed. That's creating, you know, racial disharmony in this country. And it's a, so you have to, you have to go home again in the Gavin Newsom administration. You see what I'm saying? I want clarity on this. I don't, I'm not opposed to it, but I want some of these answers because we need to be clear about what the standard is. And the standard can't just be a one off standard on this issue. As, as awful as the anti Semitism stuff on campus was. Because if it is just speech we really don't like on campus. Remember I wrote my college thesis on speech codes on campus. Right. So this is going back for me a long time. I was thinking about this issue over 20 years ago and researching it and looking at all the different speech codes of a whole range of different schools. If it's just going to be, you say things that are really heinous and bad and then they claim that somehow that's inciting violence and then that's a violation of your, your student visa, the other side is going to be in power at some point and I can assure you they will abuse this, which is why the process matters. So I have a little bit of a different take on this. I think that some other people on the right right now, in so much as I want more, I just want, I want more issues, more answers rather, and more clarity on this one. But yes, if you break the law and your visitor gone, if you violate statute, your visitor gone, that, that is absolutely. But you got to do one of those. Show me the violation of the statute. Show me where the law is broken and show me where the charge has been leveled. It can't just be someone determines it because they say so. Right. I would think, unless I guess maybe an immigration judge can just unilaterally decide based on this is where you have to get very, very specific in the immigration statute. That may be the case. Executive branch may have full authority to tell this guy that, you know, you go packing and I'm not opposed to that at all. I'm for that. I just want to know what is he being sent packing for? Because saying stupid, heinous things. I need more spec. I need more specificity than that. If it's overthrowing Western civilization is tantamount to overthrowing the United States government. Well, let's have this will come out in the habeas petition, by the way. So we will return to this issue. But I wanted to be, you know, intellectually honest with you as I work through this one and just see what's really, what's really at issue, what's really going on here. Because I know right now it's like, oh, our team is in charge and it's the pendulum will swing, my friends. Keep that in mind. 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