Hour 3 - Buck's Great Rush Story

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show - Hour 3: Buck's Great Rush Story

Release Date: April 18, 2025

Introduction

In the third hour of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show," Buck Sexton revisits a significant milestone in his broadcasting career—his debut filling in for the legendary Rush Limbaugh. This episode not only delves into Buck's personal challenges during his first major broadcast but also transitions into broader discussions on social media censorship and societal perceptions of height in dating. The episode is enriched with listener interactions, providing diverse perspectives on these topics.

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1. Buck's Memorable Broadcast Debut

Timestamp: [02:26] - [07:34]

Buck Sexton shares an intimate recount of his first broadcast experience filling in for Rush Limbaugh 11 years prior. Despite being ill with a severe cold that compromised his vocal cords, Buck persevered with the support of his resourceful mother.

• Buck Sexton ([02:33], [04:44]):
  “It was 11 years ago today that you made your debut behind the golden EIB microphone... How did it come about anything like that you might want to share with us.”
  “I had nothing, no voice whatsoever. And that sounds obviously like I'm going to wimp out of this.”

• Ali ([03:02], [05:04]):
  “This guy's got ridiculous love affair here that he would remember... 11 years is impressive.”
  “Producer Greg says a cold. He sounds like he's going through puberty.”

Buck describes the intense moment when his mother contacts an opera specialist to save his broadcast, ultimately administering a steroid shot that allowed him to perform despite his vocal limitations.

• Buck Sexton ([07:34]):
  “I tell you, 11 years ago... it's something you never forget.”

2. Social Media Censorship and Elon Musk's Acquisition of Twitter

Timestamp: [11:35] - [16:52]

The conversation shifts to the pervasive issue of social media censorship, especially highlighted during the COVID-19 pandemic. Buck reflects on a tweet storm he initiated about the need for conservative ownership of media platforms, which he believes culminated in Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter.

• Buck Sexton ([12:38]):
  “Elon bought Twitter four years later and I think changed the trajectory of the 2024 election and online discourse as it exists.”
  “That was the darkest June of 2020, the darkest days of social media censorship in a lot of ways.”

• Ali ([14:15], [16:52]):
  “I remember trying to argue for schools reopening and to play sports... it was a huge signpost for returning to cultural normalcy.”
  “We knew what we were dealing with... we're the first generation now that has had this kind of social media and online presence.”

They discuss the long-term impacts of social media policies on free speech and the political landscape, emphasizing the importance of accountability and truth in media narratives.

3. The Height in Dating Debate

Timestamp: [25:03] - [44:57]

Buck introduces a controversial study suggesting that a significant percentage of women on online dating platforms prefer men who are six feet tall or taller. This sparks a lively debate among the hosts and listeners, exploring societal standards and personal preferences in dating.

• Buck Sexton ([25:03]):
  “It's not even a minor thing. This is a big issue.”
  “Don’t let that go when it really counted.”

• Jesse Kelly ([26:34]):
  “Height is all that matters. Absolutely all that matters.”

• Carol Markowitz ([28:46], [29:17]):
  “Dating apps have destroyed dating life by making people have these unrealistic expectations.”
  “Go have the messy in-person interactions... You'll be so much better off.”

• Lisa Booth ([31:23]):
  “Every woman wants to feel smaller than her boyfriend... it matters, but a woman would make an exception for a really incredible man.”

• Josh ([43:52]):
  “Women can judge men on things they can't control... but men can’t even judge women on things they can control.”

The discussion highlights differing viewpoints:

• Buck and Jesse advocate for the importance of height, with Jesse taking a staunch stance.
• Carol and Lisa encourage moving beyond superficial metrics and emphasize real-life interactions.
• Listener Josh points out the double standards in societal expectations.

Buck underscores the complexity of modern dating, linking it to broader social media influences and personal self-improvement.

4. Listener Interactions and Perspectives

Timestamp: [41:12] - [44:57]

The episode features calls from listeners like Jared, a former Navy SEAL, who challenges the height supremacy notion by emphasizing skills and personal attributes over physical stature.

• Jared ([42:06]):
  “The shorter you are, the better you are, the more stealth you are.”

Buck and Ali engage with these perspectives, reinforcing the episode's theme of balancing societal expectations with personal qualities.

Conclusion

In this engaging episode, Buck Sexton not only revisits a pivotal moment in his career but also opens the floor to significant societal discussions. From personal resilience in broadcasting to the intricate dynamics of social media and dating standards, "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" offers a comprehensive exploration of topics that resonate with a diverse audience. The inclusion of listener feedback enriches the conversation, providing multiple angles on the issues at hand.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Buck Sexton ([02:33]):
  “I had nothing, no voice whatsoever. And that sounds obviously like I'm going to wimp out of this.”

• Jesse Kelly ([26:34]):
  “Height is all that matters. Absolutely all that matters.”

• Carol Markowitz ([29:17]):
  “Get off the apps, go have the messy in-person interactions... You'll be so much better off.”

• Lisa Booth ([31:23]):
  “Every woman wants to feel smaller than her boyfriend... it matters, but a woman would make an exception for a really incredible man.”

• Josh ([43:52]):
  “Women can judge men on things they can't control... but men can’t even judge women on things they can control.”

This episode serves as a testament to Buck Sexton's enduring presence in the broadcasting world and his ability to navigate and facilitate discussions on pivotal social issues.

Transcript

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[Steve]

From Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania listening via who Am640 in Akron.

[Buck Sexton]

Got a question for you buck.

[Steve]

It was 11 years ago today that you made your debut behind the golden EIB microphone. Would like and it was Good Friday too. Would like to know your thoughts, recollections from that day. How did it come about anything like that you might want to share with us. Be really interesting. Thanks, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

First of all, Clay, incredible memory from this guy because he is not a cousin or an uncle of mine. I did not put him up to this. I know that's a pretty wild recall.

[Ali]

This guy's got ridiculous love affair here that he would remember, but credit to him, 11 years. 11, 11 years. Not even like it was 10 or 5. It's like, you know, 11 is kind of a, no offense to anybody celebrating their 11th wedding anniversary, but usually it's not like, oh, my goodness. But yes, this is impressive.

[Buck Sexton]

So, Steve, I have. Yes, it was 11 years ago I sat at the Golden EIB. Mike. A young buck. 30. 30. Gosh, how old am I? 32 years old. I was either the youngest or maybe Hannity. I don't know, guys, we got to check on this. Was Hannity the youngest to ever sit at the EIB Mike at that time or is it me? I think we're within a year of each other. So I don't know who gets the who gets the youngest title. But you want to know what it was like? I'll tell you about what it was like. First of all, the team pulled this when they saw this. Talk back. They pulled this up. This was. I don't even know what this is gonna sound like, but, well, let's just say here's what it was like years ago. Cut 25, filling in for Rush. And now filling in for Rush Limbaugh. He's a national security editor for the Blaze. A former CIA officer who served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's also worked as a counter terrorism specialist for the New York Police Department. Ladies and gentlemen, here's Buck Sexton. Buck Sexton here filling in for Rush Limbaugh today. I'm also just to bring you up to speed. The national security editor of the blaze.com and fighting a tiny bit of a cold, but couldn't pass up this opportunity to have a chance to speak to all of you.

[Ali]

You sound so young. You sound so incredibly young.

[Buck Sexton]

I was. I was very young. But beyond that. So this is. You asked what it was like. Fast forward. I get Rush's team reached out. I had filled in for Glenn Clay. I had filled in for.

[Ali]

Hold on one joke before you tell your serious story. Producer Greg says a cold. He sounds like he's going through puberty. So.

[Buck Sexton]

Wow. Producer Greg at two. Greg. Right. Right after the Rangers game. Greg. Really? Really. Oh, I see how.

[Ali]

All right, now you can tell your serious story. But I wanted to let Greg deliver a shot across the bow to start, so.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, let me. Let me just say this. This is all. This is all true. If my mom's listening, she's going to have flashbacks. Because I had been at the Blaze only for a couple of years at this point. I'd filled in for Glenn, and then I filled in for Sean Hannity, and then Rush's team. Sure enough, they said, we're going to let you sit at the. At the Golden Mic. And I was. You know, this was a huge break in my career. I was incredibly excited. And I came down. The week of it, I came down with a cold. And I remember thinking, okay, this will be fine, because the cold will be bad on the Monday, Tuesday, but by Friday, I should be okay. What I didn't realize is that sometimes if you're going to get laryngitis, it happens toward the end of the cold, or rather, you know, mid to end of the cold, because your vocal cords get so inflamed and dried out from the virus. Clay, the day before I had that show, I had the only time in my life this has happened to me. I could not speak at all. I had no voice whatsoever. And that sounds obviously like I'm going to wimp out of this. So I can't. I don't know what I'm going to do. So I'm scrambling. I'm drinking tea, I'm doing all this sort of stuff. And God bless her, I call my mom. I say, mom, I got to fill in for Rush tomorrow, by the way. I was like, I mean, I had nothing, no voice, nothing. And she finds. She's just scrambling. We're doing online research. She finds somebody who is the person, the doctor in New York, who opera singers go to when it's opera night and they have, oh, and there's something that she can do. And so my mom. And this is all my mom, I gotta say. My mom calls this doctor who says, I'm not open tomorrow. I'm going to the Hamptons. My mom says my son is filling in for the biggest radio show in the country, I guess, in the world. I don't know if there's a bigger show in China, but, you know, biggest show in the world. Can you please just help him? Like, whatever you can do. She goes, all right. The day of, I go in there and I go in there, 10 o'clock in the morning. She looks at my vocal cords, Dr. Coravin. She looks at my vocal cords, Clay, and she goes, you. You are. You are cooked. There's no chance you're going to be able to do this show. The only option is I'm going to give you a steroid shot. The steroid shot will bring the inflammation of your vocal cords down, but it will only last three to four hours.

[Ali]

Oh, wow.

[Buck Sexton]

So it's like 10:30 in the morning the day of the show. And, you know, she doesn't. She didn't know. She just knew I was doing a show. She know what time I'm like, that actually will work. Can you give me the shot later? Can we do it? And so that I started out that show, I said I had a bit of a cold. I was shaking, that my voice the whole time was going to just disappear, and I would sound like a huge. A huge wimp. And at the. By the end of the show, by the way, the voice was pretty much gone. And that night, I couldn't speak again. So that was the whole. If you're wondering. And for days, at the anxiety level, for days afterwards, I was just, like, shaking at home, like, oh, my God, I was so scared my voice was gonna go, but it went well enough. They had me back. Here we are.

[Ali]

Okay, so I want to give. So first of all, that's great. The doctor was there and she was willing to do this. Did your mom think on the spot about the idea of opera singers and how they were treated? I actually am curious how. I mean, that's a brilliant idea that she would have had because we make a living based on being able to talk. But I wouldn't even have thought. I mean, first of all. And you're in New York City. I don't. Nashville. I would have been totally in trouble because I can't imagine doctors like my mom loves.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, my mom was. She was in the near. She was in, you know, ballet at American Ballet Theater. And so she loves classical music, and she has friends in the opera in New York and everything. So she knows that world a bit, but it was totally her idea, and.

[Ali]

I wouldn't even thought about it. That's mom saving the day.

[Buck Sexton]

You totally saved the day. And the doctor. The doctor looked at me. She was like. She's like, your vote. You have. She actually said, if I tried to push through without the steroid, you can do permanent damage because you can create scar tissue because of all the inflammation in your vocal box. So this, it was just at all. All the stars alive. But people ask, yeah, my 11 day. I have never been nervous doing anything in media in my life before or since. That was the only time and by far the biggest time I was ever nervous. Yes. Being by behind the golden EIB, Mike, when, you know, Rush was having his 680 stations or whatever it was. But Clay, the whole time I come back from break, I was like, I can still talk. Okay, we got one more segment. We got one more segment. I told the team, ali, dude, Ali, you remember, you were there. So was Mike.

[Greg]

They were both there running behind the mic.

[Clay Travis]

I do remember.

[Buck Sexton]

And I remember meeting you that day.

[Greg]

Buck, I would have had no idea.

[Buck Sexton]

You were cool as a cucumber. I was shaking like a leaf. I was shaking like a leaf. So, yeah, that was. I mean, Clay, you're the same. I can tell you the same thing. Even when the first time I did tv, like the first time I was on cable news, I was like, I was CIA, baby. Cool as a cucumber. Like, this isn't gonna faze me. This was when I was like, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh my God. So I remember it, trust me, 11 years ago. And mom, you are the greatest mom, but also a genius on the spot.

[Ali]

I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, even to think, okay, who would be able to treat this, who would be able to figure out a way to make this happen? Because this is always an issue for singers, right? I know. I. I think I came on the air and talked about the fact that I went to watch Adele and some of you were like, what? It was an incredible. Right? She was amazing in Caesars, but then she's had to cancel a ton of her performances because of vocal fold related issues. And obviously when you are an incredible talent like that, something as simple, as simple as a cold can throw everything into an uproar. So I wouldn't have even thought about that. But credit to your mom, because you probably got. How many doctors like that are there in the nation? 10 very.

[Buck Sexton]

That specialize. That specialize in this. Because most people would just say, look, you got a cold. Like go home from work. Like, you know, it's just don't talk.

[Ali]

As much as you ordinarily, fine.

[Buck Sexton]

It's not a major medical issue unless you make a living and have a performance of some kind with your voice. But yeah, I like to tell people I'm such a vocal athlete that I had to take steroids, performance enhancing drugs for my.

[Ali]

So how long did it take for your voice to get back to normal after you took the steroid shot to be able to do the show on that Friday?

[Buck Sexton]

Three days, Two to three days still.

[Ali]

Of just like being shut down?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah. Horse, you know, sounded totally weird. But yeah. So when I met Ali and the team and Mike. And Mike. Mike Mamon was there. Mike knew I was nervous as hell. But anyway, when I was there, they were there and. And that was how it all went. Can I also do one more throwback? So that was the 11 year anniversary we had. The one thing I think, Clay, you'll appreciate this because in the absolute, you and I got to know each other for the first time because of COVID because I was like, who's this sports guy who actually understands that masks are crazy and that we shouldn't shut all this stuff down? Perusa Mock, who went to the Rangers game, who knows sports, was like, you got to know this Clay guy. He's saying what you're saying. May, April, May 2020, we're talking about very, very early on. But I was so frustrated about what was going on with the social media platforms at that time that I just, straight up, I went on a rant on Twitter about how it's never going to change. We need a billionaire who's conservative to step up and buy one of these things because otherwise we're just toast. And rush, this is June 16, 2020. He read the whole thing on air. Listen to this.

[Jesse Kelly]

Many of you might remember the former guest host on this program, Buck Sexton of the CIA. Buck now tweets a lot. Does he have his own show now or. Yeah, he does. Wait, wait. Buck has been on a tweet storm and had to put it in one of those, one of those thread apps because there's so many tweets. And he's ticked off at. At how conservative. Everything has just given up, has just seated the country, seated Hollywood seated music, seated television, seated the media, seated everything, doesn't understand it. If one of the conservative billionaires out there has any stomach for saving their country from this mob, they should buy and flip a major media platform or fund a new one and make it an unsinkable aircraft carrier of true free speech.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay Elon bought Twitter four years later and I think changed the trajectory of the 2024 election and online discourse as it exists. And, you know, so it was a long time coming. And Rush saw too, that with the. Remember, that was the height of the censorship on social media and we were just getting pummeled. Shut Down Locked and isn't amazing. Now we're talking about COVID Reckoning, and we actually have a free. We have. And we have Truth, and we have Rumble and these other platforms. But that was like the darkest June of 2020, the darkest days of social media censorship in a lot of ways.

[Ali]

Oh, I totally remember. I mean, that was when I was trying to argue for schools reopening and to play sports. And you would have thought that I was the craziest person on the planet. Right? I mean, just the idea that. And I'm thankful that I lived in Tennessee and people like Ron DeSantis and a lot of you who live in red states, your schools open back up. My kids went back to school in August of 2020, but I knew if we could play sports, it would be a huge signpost for returning to cultural normalcy. And at that point in time. It's not just that Elon. You're right. It's not just that Elon bought Twitter. It's that suddenly he's awoken. Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, other people who weren't as brave to lead the charge, but they've at least been willing to follow the charge up the hill to try to put back in place some measure of free speech principles in the online marketplace.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. Elon flipping X, as I thought at the time, right when he was doing it. And you were the first one who ever told me that that was even under consideration. I remember you said, hey, I think Elon because of the Babylon B account freeze and because he knows Seth Dillon. Seth Dillon, right. Yeah, Seth Dillon. And you know that this may happen, which at the time seemed like, oh, my gosh, like, that's sure enough. $43 billion later, Elon flips it around. But that also puts downstream pressure on the other social media platforms. Not to be fair, and I know they're not. And Facebook is still a wasteland in a lot of ways for free speech, but to be less oppressive, because they don't want to lose all market share to. For half the country. So, I mean, that was an enormously important shift that we should never lose sight of. Because Clay, I mean, we were talking about this stuff, and you and I were discussing masks in 2020. It was like. It was like the end times for free speech. It really was. Couldn't say stuff about the election in that year. By the end of the year, Trump got kicked off of social media. Couldn't say, masks don't work. These. These websites attacking us. And, you know, I'm sure you had this too. I had the New York Times attack me. I had. What's that Fact. What's the fact? Check.org what all these organizations, I don't.

[Ali]

Even know some of those even still exist. But yes, there was an entire cottage industry of places designed to attack anyone who had the gall to speak out in any way against COVID lockdowns or Covid shots or asking they came after.

[Buck Sexton]

You and the people who were attacked. And I know a lot of you in your personal capacities felt the same thing. We felt what we dealt with it publicly and in a professional setting on radio and on tv. But we were right about everything. So I feel good about that. Remember that. Don't ever let that go when it really counted.

[Ali]

Where were you?

[Buck Sexton]

And I can look at Clay and Clay can look at me. We know where we were on the COVID stuff and I know a lot of you, it's the same same deal. And that's why I think the accountability still matters. Look, I'm going to the gun range tomorrow. I'm going to be training with my, with my brother and we got a whole slew of firearms that we're going to be putting ourselves through our paces with. And let me tell you, you know, we both carry. And if you're going to be somebody who carries or you're even considering it, you need to become a member of uscca. USCCA members get self defense education training and self defense liability insurance. And that's because if you do have to use your your firearm to defend yourself, it is ruinously expensive even if you did everything right. If they bring not just a criminal case, which they could do even if you're on the right side of this, they could just bring a civil case. And now you've got to deal with that too. You need USCCA to have your back. The line between victim and victory is preparation. Every USCCA member also gets access to 24. 7 critical response team and attorney network in the event of a self defense incident. In today's world you can do everything right and still end up in jail. USCCA is there for you. They serve new gun owners, longtime firearm enthusiasts and everyone in between. 100% satisfaction guarantee. Your membership is backed by USCCA. 30 day, 100% money back bulletproof guarantee. Go to uscca.com buck that's uscca.com buck.

[Ali]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Ryan in Montana here. Clay, you live in Nashville, Tennessee, the country music capital of the world. I'm willing to bet there's a few vocal doctors there.

[Ali]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We were talking about this story that got a lot of attention. It's really more of just a the. And I have to give credit to my friend Jedediah Bila, who's now relaunched her podcast. You know her from the View and from Fox News for many years. She shared some data. It's not even new data, but it's come up in conversation with. With people that I know lately that women are. Let's just say it, okay? When we say women, we're speaking in generalities here, but something like 85% of women won't date a guy, say they don't want to date a guy. Maybe it's a better way of putting it. Who's under 6ft tall. And 14% of guys are actually over 6ft tall. So there's a little bit of a Math mismatch here. Now, a lot of you weighed in. We'll get to some of that. A lot of talkbacks, a lot of emails, including friends of the show who have their own programs. One of them might be confused from a distance. Clay with Paul Bunyan, because he is so enormous that he. He hits his head on the bottom of pretty much everyone's ceiling on a regular basis.

[Ali]

Let me just say here, cut you off a little bit. Paul Bunyan is like a rugged, masculine, brawny man, gangly, not particularly strong, more like Jolly Green Giant, but without the muscles, is the way that I would describe Jesse Kelly.

[Buck Sexton]

Wow. Well, I'm just going to put it out there. Jesse taking some shots at the. The shorter brethren among us out there. Here's what he said. Play it.

[H]

What's up? It's me, Jesse Kelly and Clay and Buck asked me if I would weigh in on the controversy that apparently has popped up over tall guys versus short guys. What women prefer, what they should prefer. So I just. I wanted to first of all clear something up. Okay. Life is all about balance, right? Everything's about striking a balance. The right amount of time at work, the right amount of time at home, the right. Everything's about a balance, right? Well, everything in our life works this way. If you're a dude who's under 6ft tall, you're most likely somebody who peaked in grade school or high school. That's actually when you stop growing as well. And during that time, usually it's the short guys. He gets the leg hair first. He drives a nicer car than everyone else, and for a few years he gets to be the top dog. Then he stops growing at 5 6, like most children do. And then the girl that used to date you now looks over at me towering above you, and she automatically knows it's not just that I'm taller, it's that I'm a superior being in virtually every way. It's not about your income or your hair or anything else. Height is all that matters. Absolutely all that matters. And the women listening know that is true. You short guys don't get down on yourself at all. Listen, there's someone out there for everybody. There are women who will lower their standards for you, and you should thank God for them.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, Just so you know, Jesse is like 6 9, so he thinks everybody is short. Yes, he is leaning into this Heidism, Clay in a big way. I did. I did hear a mention of hair, though, there.

[Ali]

Well, he doesn't have any hair, but he's fortunate because he's so tall, most people can't tell. Now we have other reactions. Carol Markowitz, who is a mother of three and quite, quite charming, has a.

[Buck Sexton]

Great show on the Clay and Buck Podcast network which you should all check out and normally with Mary Katherine Ham. She's one of our wonderful podcast hosts.

[Ali]

I think that Carol Markowitz has one of the best voices out there for a woman's host. Like when you hear her voice, it sounds like something that would be a audiobook voice, not for like a professional voice actor. So here is Carol Markowitz reacting to the controversy over women not being willing willing to date short men.

[I]

Hey, Clay and Buck. It's Carol Markowitz from the Carol Markowitz show and normally on the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. I fully agree with Buck that dating apps have destroyed dating life by making people have these unrealistic expectations. People have really lost all perspective about what makes attraction and what they actually want in a partner. Online dating makes you feel like you can punch in the perfect dimensions for your possible boyfriend or girlfriend and filter by those parameters. So why shouldn't you? But I think that for men, there's always another woman on the next swipe, so why settle for this one? And for women, they rather wait than get someone they don't consider perfect. It's bad. My message every day, all the time, get off the apps, go have the messy in person interactions that will show you who people really are. Let it be awkward, let it be weird, but at least it's real. Go have a real life. Go meet people in real life. You'll be so much better off.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's perfect. By the way, I totally agree with her. I rest my case. I think she nailed it. And we, I didn't even hear that till we just played it on the air.

[Ali]

Now I will also submit that Carol loved the interaction, probably not surprisingly based on the comment that she just gave there of the Atlanta Braves sideline reporter and the girl that he was interviewing during the course of that game. That turned into a huge story here this week that Buck was in disbelief could have ever been controversial in any way. And I think it is kind of a refreshing take. Hey, meet somebody in person. Have an actual face to face interaction with them. And this is, I believe we've also got Lisa Booth, also a part of the Clay and Buck Podcast network. Continuing the breakdown, we just heard from Carol Markowitz and from Jesse Kelly. Here is what Lisa had to say.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey guys.

[Greg]

Lisa with the truth with Lisa Booth. So here's the truth. Does height matter? That Is the question. Well, the honest answer is, of course it does. I mean, look, every woman wants to feel smaller than her boyfriend or her significant other. We want to feel protected in his arms. So of course it matters. Of course we would rather have someone who's taller. However, look, I think every woman's dated a guy who is maybe around the same height. So yeah, I mean, look, you would date someone if you really fell in love with someone who is a little bit shorter. It's not the end of the world, but it matters. I don't think I would go shorter, though, because, you know, this isn't limbo, you know, so, you know, so it does matter. But I think a woman would make an exception for a really incredible man.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, Clay, I love that we basically, and we did not coordinate this. We just asked those friends of the show and you know, they had, they had seen on Social and everything this back and forth. What's your take on it? We really have Jesse Kelly, who, let's just be honest, Jesse Kelly is a height supremacist. Ok, yes, he is a height supremacist. It's all about height with him. Everything else is secondary. And he just looks down his nose from way up there in the clouds of being 69 or 610 or whatever. And all of us little, we're like Lilliputians and he's Gulliver and that's how the world is. Okay. Carol takes more the, you know, the we shouldn't be superficial and get off the apps and you're not building, you're not building like a car where you get to pick the heated seats or whatever. You're meeting a person. And I think Lisa is a little bit in between of, look, it's not everything, but it does matter and women should look into this. So I feel like we've got, I want to open up lines and talk backs and everything so people can tell us who's whose position on this they find most amenable. Do you want to do the talk back from Russell?

[Ali]

Yeah. I also think Carol's position is a really interesting one because I don't only think women hold out and are waiting for the right guy. I actually think sometimes they hold out and then they look back and they're like, you know what? I should have gone with guy A or guy C or guy F that I dated. And then they're also measuring not only their ideal standard, but also some other guy who went on and got married to somebody else. And they're thinking to themselves, if they stay Single man. Did I blow it in that relationship, too? Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's a lie. You know, I'm happy that it worked out for me the way I did, because I couldn't love my wife more than I do, and I think she's my soulmate, and we have the cutest baby and everything's perfect. But every lady, when Buck was single, who walked away from the Buckster, Big mistake. Just like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Big mistake. Huge.

[Ali]

Well, I think, yeah, I think that if you walk away from a relationship and then the guy ends up getting married and he's got a good family and everything else, I think a lot of those women look back, and I do think the one thing that you nailed is. I do think Instagram has changed it, because in years past, you dated a guy, but people had to come meet him. Right? Like you. In order to know who your friend was dating, you went to lunch or you went to dinner or you went to a party or a social event with them, and you judged them based on face to face. There wasn't as much of an immediate, oh, what does it look like on Instagram? What does it look like on social media? And I think that many women have fallen victim to what is the social media reaction going to be to my new guy? And if it's not, hey, this is the perfect guy, then they're unhappy. And look, the numbers reflect that. We're true. Lots of women out there are now never getting married.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. Well, that's. This is why it's actually. This is not a minor thing. This is a big issue. You know, Elon. And there's a whole other conversation here about Elon's approach to this. But I have tremendous respect for Elon. He's fantastic. Says, we're not having enough babies, which is true. If you look the chart on us, Babies over time is just slowly but surely going down. Marriage formation has also been going down, not catastrophically, and it's actually had a bit of a rebound in some demographics recently, but marriage formation is going down. And, Clay, I think that, you know, we are the first generation now. We're seeing the first generation now that has had this kind of social media and online presence. I mean, here's a perfect example of this. How many women out there, when they post a photo with their not. Let's say not their husband, but, you know, their boyfriend or fiance, if they're the same height or he's a little smaller, would feel weird about it. Yeah, I think. I think the number is very high. Which I think is a little silly in my opinion. But you know what? I want to open this up because I have a feeling we'll get some people because people have very strong feelings on this. But I want to hear from all of you and also I want you to have the energy to go get after it in the gym. So height. Who cares about height if you're jacked, Let me tell you, that's going to help you a lot, guys. At least be the best version, the strongest, best, healthiest version of yourself. That's always the goal. That's what I'm trying to do and that's what you should be doing. And having the right chemistry, as I call it, is critical in that process. Look, I know what I speak of here. I lost 40 pounds. I'm the best shape. I've been in at least 10 years. And I think that chalk has been a really helpful tool in my toolkit. Go to chalk.com their best selling male vitality stack has been proven in studies to increase testosterone levels by as much as 20% in just three months time. Testosterone is your body's natural source of energy and over time, as we age, guys, it declines. It just does. Chalk can boost your t Chalk's male vitality stack critical in this process. And chalk has a female vitality stack as well. I'm going to tell you this. My mother in law just took chalk chad mode this morning because she wanted to get a little bit of a pick me up and she's flying around now, cooking, doing all kinds of stuff. Go to chalk.com choq.com use my name Buck for a massive discount on any subscription for life. That's chalk choq.com use buck as your promo code.

[Ali]

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[Ali]

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[Ali]

Welcome back in clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Closing up shop Friday edition of the program. Encourage you you just heard from Carol Markowitz, Lisa Booth, Jesse Kelly, but Carol Markowitz, Lisa Booth in particular a part of the Clay and Buck Podcast network. If you have not subscribed, make sure you go subscribe. We love you listening to this program. There's all sorts of special Easter egg treats that get dropped into the podcast universe from us, but we have put together an incredibly talented podcast network. Whatever you're looking for, whether it's a mom perspective or a badass Navy SEAL perspective. Basically, we've got you covered.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, go check out the David Rutherford podcast as well. And as for our friend Jesse Kelly, he's on hundreds of stations. His show is doing fantastically. He's lighting his cigars with thousand dollar bills, so you don't need to puff up his head. All 6 foot 8 up there in the sky anymore. That he already already is is his confidence doesn't need any boost. I can assure you, caller, Jared is a former Navy SEAL and he's five three. What's up, Jared?

[Steve]

Yes, I'm so honored to finally get through to guys, but I haven't ever. I'll be honest, I've never tried to get through you guys, but it was with Rush Limbaugh and with you, the subject going on, I'm like, oh, Lord, I've got to call in. I got to try it one more time. And I'm so honored to actually be on. Thank you very much. So the Navy program, they want Navy SEALs to be short the shorter you are and stealthier you'll be and less hidden. So it doesn't matter. They'll take tall men. But as a 5 foot 3 ex Navy, very proud.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so, Jared, you're a badass, and we love you and we appreciate you serving our country. Let me ask you, though, tallest woman you've ever dated.

[Steve]

Five, six.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, that's in the strikes. No, but also, you know, you're, you know, Navy guy. You show them the anchor tattoo on your bicep. You're a seal. You know, you're a little bit of a special case. I'm just going to say this like, you know, I'm sure you did fine with the ladies.

[Steve]

Well, you know, the point of the matter is, hey, in my world, the shorter you are, and in this world, the better you are, the more stealth you are. But you know what? Again, I go back to when you get in the real world. Yeah, it's kind of hard to get a woman when you're my size.

[Ali]

Thank you for the call.

[Buck Sexton]

Appreciate you calling in Jared. Thank you for your service. We got a talk back here from Russell in Salt Lake CC he listens on K N R S, where we are consistently number one. Thank you, Salt Lake City. We love you. Play it. Guys, guys, guys. You got it all wrong.

[Ali]

It's not the height.

[Buck Sexton]

It's the guitar in the guy's hands. I think it's the flute, personally, but.

[Ali]

The fluid in everybody's hands. What percentage of musicians in rock bands Got into music solely for girls.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I think Dave Navarro of. Of what is he, Nine Inch Nails or. No, not nine inches.

[Ali]

No. Red. Red Hot Chili Peppers, right?

[Buck Sexton]

Was he. Yeah, Red Hot Chili Pepper. Sorry. I think he's like 52 or 5 3. Like some of these guys that are on stage.

[Ali]

Oh, yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

You never see anyone really sort of standing some of these big rock. I mean, wasn't Prince was like 4 11. He was tiny. Yeah.

[Ali]

Actually pretty good basketball player to remember the Chappelle skit. Like, that was based in reality. Prince was a high school basketball. Pretty good player in the Minneapolis area.

[Buck Sexton]

Josh in California wants to weigh in. Josh, what do you have for us? Hey, I was just calling because while women can hold men to standards of height, why can't we hold them to the standards of, you know, weight and taking care of themselves? Can they cook a meal? I mean, you know, it's got to be both ways. When it comes to a successful marriage.

[Ali]

It'S not always if the guy is.

[Buck Sexton]

Just tall, but if the woman's just kind of, you know, I'm pretty and.

[Ali]

I. Josh, Josh, you're preaching to the choir here. A man who says that he doesn't want to date a fat woman is considered to be. And, like, even women are just like, oh, when I just said that, it's completely unacceptable, yet you can control in some way your weight. Women saying, yeah, I won't date short guys. Totally considered to be acceptable. I think that's probably the biggest disconnect between what men are allowed to say and what women are allowed to say. Women can judge men on things they can't control. Men can't even judge women on things they can control. Welcome to modern life.

[Buck Sexton]

It's. It's a jungle out there in the dating world, I will tell you that. So to all of our short kings and the ladies who love them, God bless you. You stay strong and stand tall, and we will have a great show for you coming up on Monday. Let me say, if you missed any of the podcasts from this week, or if you haven't listened to Clay and Buck podcast before, download that iHeart app. Go listen to Carol Markowitz. Go listen to Dave Rutherford. He's our former SEAL buddy. His show is blowing up. More and more people going to it every day. Just download that Clay and Buck podcast, network show or the shows, and we'll talk to you Monday.

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[Buck Sexton]

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