Hour 3 - Buck's Iran Prediction

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Podcast Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Hour 3 - Buck's Iran Prediction
Date: January 14, 2026
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

The third hour of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton’s show revolves around the mounting tension between the United States and Iran in light of anticipated US action and presidential statements. The hosts discuss Iran’s internal unrest, the implications of external military strikes, the role of information warfare, and a viral Supreme Court hearing on gender identity. Interwoven throughout is the show’s signature mix of banter, political critique, and pop culture references.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. US-Iran Tensions: Looming US Strike and Presidential Messaging

- Monitoring Presidential Address

• The hosts are closely watching for President Trump’s remarks on Iran, speculating it may signal imminent US military action ([00:00]).

- Iran’s Theocracy and Global Impact

• Buck Sexton outlines Iran as a "theocracy of revolutionary autocrats" that has "immiserated 90 million people and made a whole lot of problems for the rest of the world" ([00:20]).
• The duo underscores Iran's role as a "primary state sponsor of terror".

- Trump Drawing Red Lines

• Clay and Buck air clips of President Trump warning Iran against executing protesters.

  "Iran better not mess around than find out by executing huge numbers of protesters" – President Trump ([01:34])

• Trump's approach is positioned as decisive and reminiscent of past actions (e.g., taking out Soleimani and Al Baghdadi).

- Information Warfare and Iranian Protests

• Discussion of Starlink's role in circumventing Iranian government censorship, highlighting the information blackout currently imposed by Tehran ([03:00]).
• Clay reminisces on old-school methods to reach oppressed populations ("drop pamphlets" in Farsi) compared with the struggles of modern tech suppression.

- Prediction of Military Action

• Buck predicts a looming strike:

  "I think a strike is coming, Clay." ([05:11])

• Coincidence or not, the hosts note their recent presence in the Oval Office aligns with major Iran-related actions in recent years ([05:13]).

- Information Blackout and Response Timing

• Clay flags the challenge of confirming any attack due to Iran’s total communication shutdown—"we may have no idea it’s happened until the President comes out and says, ‘hey, we just walloped them’” ([07:57]).

- Analysis of Iran’s Military Response Capacity

• Buck argues that post-Soleimani, Iran’s retaliatory options were limited, and they might again refrain from meaningful escalation:

  "We shouldn’t convince ourselves that the Iranian military capability is substantially more than it is..." ([09:57])

- ‘Axis of Evil’ Realities

• Clay disputes the strength of Iran's alliances with Russia and China, pointing to their inaction in recent global crises (Venezuela, Israel-Iran conflict).

  "I'm not sure Iran actually has any allies at all." ([11:17])

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2. Minneapolis ICE Incident: Media Narratives vs. Facts

- Breaking Update

• Clay updates on an ICE agent in Minneapolis who, after being struck by a car, fatally shot the driver. CBS News reports the agent is being treated for internal bleeding ([13:50]).

- Critique of Media and Political Response

• Hosts lambast left-wing narratives claiming the agent wasn’t in danger:

  "He was hit by a car by somebody who was antagonizing law enforcement... not just posed a threat, was a threat because she hit him." – Buck ([15:18])

• Clay highlights his concern that local politicians may push for charges for political reasons, regardless of federal status or evidence ([16:17]).

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3. Viral Supreme Court Exchange: Gender Identity and "Can Men Get Pregnant?"

- Congress Hearing Clip with Sen. Josh Hawley and Medical Doctor

• Lengthy, tense exchange aired where a medical expert refuses direct answers about biological men and pregnancy.
• Hawley persists, underscoring the importance of scientific truth versus political expediency ([23:06]–[26:44]):

  "Can men get pregnant? That's a yes or no question." – Sen. Hawley
  "I would be more than happy to have a conversation with you that is not coming from a place of trying to be polarized and push." – Medical Doctor

- Hosts’ Reaction

• Clay and Buck argue the inability to answer points to broader issues of dishonesty in expert testimony and left-wing orthodoxy.

  "Once you know that somebody is being dishonest to you and it's a highly trained doctor... I can't trust them on anything." – Clay ([28:27])

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4. Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's Comments

- Legal Definitions of Sex and Gender

• Chief Justice Jackson’s comments are critiqued, particularly her saying a girl is “someone who is girl assigned at birth” ([31:11]).

• Buck:

  "This is like Stalinist show trial absurdity. This is crazy town... a standard mandatory view among Democrats." ([31:34])

• Clay criticizes Jackson as "the worst Supreme Court justice that we have had in my life," contending her interventions are political and frequent ([31:59]).

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5. Banter, Suit Jokes, and Grandma Fandom

- Clay’s Suit in the White House

• The segment features lighthearted banter about Clay’s new suit for the Oval Office visit, with repeated jokes about midwestern grandmas finding him "dashing and debonair" ([19:40]–[22:05]).

• Memorable moment:

  "The grandmas of America would be blown away by how good looking am. Grandmas are my base." – Clay ([20:54])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• On Iran:

  "This isn’t just an Iranian problem. The mullahs are a problem for so many of the countries in the region and all over the world because Iran is the primary state sponsor of terror."
  — Buck Sexton ([00:20])

• On Presidential Red Lines:

  "Iran better not mess around than find out by executing huge numbers of protesters."
  — President Trump (aired by hosts, [01:34])

• On Past Actions:

  "He [Trump] wiped out their Iran nuclear threat in a period of about 15 minutes once the B2s got there."
  — Clay Travis ([01:38])

• Information blackout:

  "I can't think of very many times when we basically had almost no ability to see what's going on in a country in real time."
  — Clay Travis ([03:00])

• On the Minneapolis ICE incident:

  "He was hit by a car by somebody who was antagonizing law enforcement..."
  — Buck Sexton ([15:18])

• On Media and Truth:

  "They believe it because they want to believe it. It’s not because of the data, the information, the video, the truth. They don’t care."
  — Buck Sexton ([15:49])

• On Medical Science and Gender:

  "Can men get pregnant? That's a yes or no question."
  — Sen. Hawley ([23:58], throughout 23:06–26:44)

• On the gender debate:

  "This is like Stalinist show trial absurdity. This is crazy town."
  — Buck Sexton ([31:34])

• On Grandmas:

  "The grandmas of America would be blown away by how good looking am. Grandmas are my base, Laura has talked about this."
  — Clay Travis ([20:54])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening and Iran predictions: 00:00–05:52
• Oval Office anecdote and intelligence speculation: 05:52–07:57
• Iranian communications blackout and military strike discussion: 07:57–11:17
• Iran’s international relations and “axis of evil”: 11:17–13:35
• Minneapolis ICE incident update: 13:50–16:17
• Calls and YouTube banter + Suit jokes: 18:56–22:05
• Sen. Josh Hawley vs. Medical Doctor clip: 22:27–26:44
• Supreme Court gender definition debate: 27:14–31:59
• Show closure and final Iran speculation: 35:02–36:31

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Conclusion

This episode captures the Clay & Buck blend of breaking geopolitical analysis, political commentary, and cultural critique amid high-stakes US-Iran brinkmanship. It’s worth a listen both for current affairs insight and for its moments of humor, especially their ongoing good-natured riffing about White House suits and grandma fans. The viral congressional and Supreme Court exchanges showcased in this episode encapsulate the hosts’ positions on science, gender, and the state of political debate in America.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now. We are keeping an eye out for when the president's going to address the nation on his thinking on Iran. This is a big deal for a whole range of reasons we've been talking to you about. Our sympathy and hearts and hopes go out to the Iranian people who are taking substantial risks for their freedom. This is a country that has a very rich and very long history as a culture and as a people that has unfortunately been enslaved by a theocracy, a theocracy of revolutionary autocrats who have been in charge for almost 50 years. And they've done an amazing job of immiserating 90 million people and making a whole lot of problems for the rest of the world, too. This isn't just. This isn't just a Iranian problem. The mullahs are a problem for so many of the countries in the region and all over the world because Iran is the primary state sponsor of terror, as we know. And here is President Trump. He's getting closer and closer, I think, to action on this issue. And here he is. This is cut 20, speaking about how Iran better not mess around than find out by executing huge numbers of protesters. But we'll see. Play 20.

[Clay Travis]

The end game is to win. I like winning.

How do you define that in Iran?

Well, let's define it in Venezuela. Let's define it with Al Baghdadi. He was wiped out. Let's define it with Soleimani. And let's define it in Iran, where he wiped out their Iran nuclear threat in a period of about 15 minutes once the B2s got there. And that was a complete obliteration, as it turns out, which is what I said initially. Then some questioned it and they said, you know, Trump was right. So we've been right about everything. We don't want to see what's happening in Iran happen. And, you know, they want to have protests. That's one thing. When they start killing thousands of people, and now you're telling me about hanging. We'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out.

[Buck Sexton]

Good. Clay, let's also hear Trump point is very similar. He's drawing lines in the sand. And I don't think they want to see what happens if they cross it. This is Cut five. Trump telling the Iranian regime, watch yourself.

[Medical Doctor]

Iran says that it will retaliate in the instance of US Strikes against US Assets in the Middle East. What do you say to US Service members about why it's worth the risk? To intervene in Iran.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Iran said that the last time. I blew him up with the nuclear capability, which they don't have any longer. Iran said that the last time. They better behave.

[Buck Sexton]

They better behave, Clay. They're not behaving. So now let's see what happens.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look. And the President may be poised to speak on this. It is after 10 o' clock in Iran right now. For people out there who wonder what the time situation is, the biggest challenge, Buck, is Elon Musk, to his credit, has unleashed Starlink, which has allowed some Iranians to get online. And now the Iranian government has decided to sabotage Starlink working in their country as well. I can't think of very many times when we basically had almost no ability to see what's going on in a country in real time. In other words, for all of the criticisms of Israel and all the criticisms about what might happen in Gaza, the Internet was never shut off there. Communication was always possible. And so there's always a lot of media coverage and we see what's happening. We really don't know much of what's going on in Iran right now. And so one aspect of this has been trying to figure out how to potentially allow the Iranian people to communicate. Here's the other thing, Buck. How do we make the people of Iran awareness that the President of the United States supports them and supports their protest? Because the Iranian government has curtailed the ability to get information in there. You know, back in the day, this was how you would win an information warfare. Do you remember what you would do? You would fly planes over and you would just drop pamphlets and it would say in their language, I think Farsi, if I'm not mistaken. Hey, here is. President Trump supports your ability to protest. He wants people to have basic human rights. He wants you to have freedoms. He wants Iran to look like it did in the 1970s before the Ayatollah came into power. And so you would actually drop pamphlets and people would go out and they pick them up and they'd be able to read what the American president or what the perspective was. It's so hard to get that information now. It should, in theory be way easier to communicate, but Iran has the ability to turn off everything it supposedly in terms of being able to communicate there and all. They've been running propaganda on television.

[Buck Sexton]

I think a strike is coming, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

The.

[Buck Sexton]

This is starting. It's. I'm just going to point something out. This is going to be a little crazy, but this is true. The last time there was a major strike On Iran, we were in the Oval Office with the President. You were just in the Oval Office with the President. And there may be another major strike on Iran. The only. That would be the only two days I can think of where we have done anything on this scale in our lifetime. And I'm not saying that there's a cause and effect here, Clay, but I am saying some people might ask some questions.

[Clay Travis]

Well, you and I don't know. Do we say this on the air? I'll say it on the air now. I can't remember if we said it back. We talked about it off the air, you and I. I feel like in some ways, the White House press team was running around taking pictures of you and me in the Oval Office with the President like crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

And.

[Clay Travis]

And they immediately blasted it out right before the attacks happened. And you know that they monitor what the President is doing on all of these intelligence agencies and everything else. And I guarantee you, they were like, oh, he's just meeting with a couple of radio guys. There's nothing happening today, right? White House photographer running around like crazy, taking photos in the Oval Office, just like when you and I were in there. Now, I haven't seen those released yet, but I've been with the President before. We've met the President a bunch of times now. Most of the time you remember that, like, you and I both, and we left, we were like, man, they took a lot of pictures. Um, it definitely now maybe things are a little bit different. Maybe in Trump 2.0 they're taking more photos. In general, that's always possible. But I definitely, in my back of my mind, as they were running around taking photos like crazy, was thinking to myself, this feels like in June when, when you and I were in there, and then we get back out and that night we're sitting down to have dinner and boom, all the attacks start to happen in Iran.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not trying to feed the conspiracy theorists here. I'm just saying Clay and Buck are in the Oval Office. Iranian nuclear program gets hit within hours. Clay goes to the Oval Office, perhaps IRGC headquarters all over the country. You know, we'll see, we'll see. But it is quite a. Quite a coincidence. Now, I do think that there will be back into serious mode here. I do think that there will be a strike of some kind. I don't know what it will be. I don't know how much this is, you know, is still in the decision making phase. I don't know what the President. My sense is, if he's speaking The American people he's preparing us for. We're doing something here. So I could be wrong on this one. I don't have any particular.

[Clay Travis]

Let me put this out to Buck. We may not know because there's such a communication inability to get out things. You know usually even back when, when we hit Iran like there was still a lot of video and Internet capability in the country. We could hit Iran and it might not be public for several hours that we've done so because they don't have the immediate communication capabilities to, to get out the video. You know normally when there is an attack of some sort we know we shut down all the communications in Venezuela but sooner or later it comes out and you say oh there's a lot of burning buildings here. People hear when the planes come over, they hear the bombs coming down and they take photos and videos and it ends up distributed on X Twitter, every, every social media platform. There may be such an information shutdown that is going on, a blackout in Iran to such an extent that, that we may have no idea it's happened until the President comes out and says hey we just walloped them we. And again maybe, or maybe or not it's going to happen but I just feel like it's dark if it's going to happen it's going to happen in the next couple of days. It would not surprise me if we're going to get information soon that we.

[Buck Sexton]

Have done something or that we should at least be prepared for things, things to happen given what just what just went down in Venezuela. Let's just understand the Iranians paid close attention to that. Other countries have paid close attention to that. Venezuela had Russian anti aircraft systems. Now there's reporting that they hadn't really set them up which is sounds, sounds about right for the Maduro regime. Like they've got really fancy gear to try to stop this sort of a strike and like eh, maybe we'll set it up mana. You know like they don't really care.

[Clay Travis]

Very tropical buck. That's very often what happens in the tropics. I will just do that tomorrow. We'll get around to it. Let's have a pina colada.

[Buck Sexton]

I think they made a misstep on that one. Made a mistake in their assessment. So we will see. But I do believe that the Iranian regime, look it's, it doesn't have many good options here at all to strike at us. And what are they really going to do? Are they going to have, are they going to. If they activate some Hezbollah cell that you know, kills a whole lot of Americans somewhere else in the world or some kind of a terror. This has always been the fear, Clay, is that. Or the concern that's out there is if we do anything that's too aggressive with Iran. Keep in mind, we blew up, actually Trump blew up Qasem Soleimani, which I remember in the Iraq office, we were told, oh, you can't do anything about that guy. Can't do anything. Oh, it would, it would, it would completely, you know, bring things to a boiling point. Trump blew him up and nothing happened. Yeah, they fired some missiles at a base and that was the end of it. So I think that we shouldn't convince ourselves that the Iranian military capability is substantially more than it is. And if they were to do something really foolish, okay, well, then we're just going to go full, you know, full Al Qaeda on them, so to speak, or Al Qaeda hunting and everybody involved, we're going to track them down, are going to blow up their house. I mean, is that really what they want? They don't have many good options.

[Clay Travis]

I'll also point out Russia and China did nothing after we took Maduro out of Venezuela. This whole idea that there was a axis of evil relationship between Russia, China and Iran, for instance, I think what you're seeing is that is not actual substance much behind it because Russia did nothing when we took Maduro. China did nothing. They didn't stand up at all for Iran when Israel came in. And then we came on top of that and took out their nuclear capabilities and ambitions. My point is I'm not sure Iran actually has any allies at all. And a lot of times you have to look behind the curtains. What is said in front of the curtains? Maybe one thing behind the curtains. I think there are a lot of people saying, yeah, we need to get these guys out of here, including Middle east, certainly Russia, China. I just don't think there's any real allies there. And so again, maybe we're going to find out something during the course of today's program as, as this continues to play itself out. One of the challenges out there. I want you to check out lifelock 1-800-lifelock. And you know as well as I do that there's constant cyber crimes being committed across the entirety of the Internet every single day. You log on and you see the latest news. Oh, there's been a data breach. Oh, somebody's information is out there. How much of your information is floating around on the so called dark web on the Internet? How much protection do you have. That's the entire business of Lifelock right now. If you go to 1-800-LIFELOCK, use promo code CLAY, you can get 40% off and be protected from your information spooling out on the Internet being stolen and you not having any Clue it's there. 1-800-lifelock is the phone number lifelock.com promo code clay clay, you get 40% off. Help protect your information, make it more secure, make sure that your information has not leaked and is not circulating on the Internet. That's what LifeLock does. They built a great business over the last several generations being able to protect people on the Internet. 1-800-Lifelock. That is lifelock.com 40% off promo code clay. Clay.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis podc, Buck Sexton show, Wednesday edition of the program. We're talking about what may or may not be happening in Iran very soon. But also I wanted to mention, I know you talked about this off the top, Buck. In Minneapolis, the continued fallout after the shooting involving the ICE agent who was struck by a car. A lot of people tried to say on the left, oh, he was never really in any danger. Oh, what in the world was he thinking? CBS News reporting in the last 20 minutes or so that the agent who was struck by that vehicle and fired his weapon, killing the woman driving that car, he's been treated for. This is the first we've heard about his conditions. Internal bleeding to his torso relating to being hit by the car. Again, that is a report from CBS News about his that incident and his injury that occurred during it. Again, CBS News reporting that he is being treated, has been treated for internal bleeding to his torso. Yet more evidence, as if we needed it, Buck, that he was in a perilous situation and felt compelled to act to protect himself and indeed was in fact injured in that incident. Again, per CBS News, in a report that's just come out in the last 20 or 30 minutes or so, he has been treated for internal bleeding to his torso.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, and we were told that he was just grazed. We were told that it didn't even hit him. We were told that he could have done a backflip like a ninja master and just gotten out of the way. Perhaps he could have shot the tires out or disappeared like one of the X Men. Clay, he was hit by a car by Somebody who was antagonizing law enforcement and not just posed a threat, was a threat because she hit him.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I have to wonder at what level do people have to understand or what level do people have to have this explained to them? But, Clay, it doesn't. They don't care. They're desperate for a moral high ground from which they will look down upon these ICE enforcement actions. And this, they seize on this because they. They believe it because they want to believe it. It's not because of the data, the information, the video, the truth. They don't care.

[Clay Travis]

All true. I do think that the courts should care. And as you layer all of these different facts to support his decision to fire the weapon, it seems quite clear that he feared for his safety, that he was injured, and that he is justified in his shooting. As more and more evidence continues to come out, the idea that Democrats have tried to put forward that this was just a mom who dropped her kid off and happened to get shot on her way back driving home, and she was a completely innocent bystander that was murdered, it just continues to take more and more evidentiary basis to destroy that narrative. And I do hope the courts are going to care. Again, my concern is that they're going to bring charges against him on a state level, even though it's a federal officer involved in a federal investigation. My concern, as we talked about earlier this week and even last week, is just that Mayor Fry and Governor Walls see it as politically advantageous, even if it's legally untenable, to be bringing these charges. So just FYI, I wanted to make sure that we got an update for you there. Also, we'll take some of your calls on the backside here, 800-282-2882, if you want to call in and react to anything we've been talking about over the last two and a half hours, we will be breaking all of that down for you and taking your feedback as we continue to move forward. And again, we're expecting potentially news about Iran before we even finish the show today. We'll see whether or not those come out. In the meantime, Cozy Earth has got some of the best products on the planet. You're going to absolutely love them. I told my wife about the new Baja Travel set. I told her about the new blankets that are coming out. I told her there was more great Cozy Earth products. And she said, this is awesome. And she's already gone on and ordered some of these new products. And she used my Code Clay when she did it, and she got 20% off. Just like all of you can if you go to Cozy Earth. Check it out. Great sheets, great towels, great blankets. I've talked about before, my sister over the holiday sitting there underneath the blanket and she decided as soon as she was underneath it, before she even knew she had a code, she went on to Cozy Earth and bought that blanket for herself. You will love it. Your wife will love it, your kids, everybody in the household will love it. Go to cozyearth.com my name Clay. For 20% off, that's c o z y earth.com my name Clay. 20 off everything.

[Buck Sexton]

We're gonna get some of your calls here shortly, so stay with us. 800-282-2882. I think we have a slot or two open, so if you want to get in on this action, give us a call right now and they'll get you through with your brilliant insights. Also want to tell you to please subscribe to our YouTube channel, YouTube.comclayandbuck also going to tell you, if you were to be watching today, you would see that I thought that the show was massively successful and growing year after year and doing great and everyone's really happy and things are fantastic and we're very blessed. But Clay is apparently going to job interviews because he has a tie and a shirt on. I'm like, what is going on here, buddy?

[Clay Travis]

This is very dapper.

[Buck Sexton]

You look very dapper.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't want to go into the White House underdressed again. I bought my first. I have not bought a suit in a decade. I bought my first suit in a decade. I went in Nashville. I haven't. Look, the reality is you and I have very fortunate situations. Even if we're on television, we're not fully on television. Like, I can be in shorts.

[Buck Sexton]

Full disclosure, I wear pajama pants a lot when I'm on Fox News. I'm not gonna lie. It's true.

[Clay Travis]

So you're only seeing us from like the chest up. You throw on a jacket, you throw on a button down shirt, you're fine. So I don't wear suits very often, but I decided, you know what, it's time for me to go get a new suit. So I think I look like an adult. Inevitably, it doesn't matter how I dress. People in the comments decide that I have somehow inappropriately dressed. I could be in a full.

[Buck Sexton]

You got, you got to give the the Midwestern grandmas who swoon at your very appearance. We got to get a full body shot of the suit for clay and buck.com Here we got to get the whole. You got to take. Have one of the producers because I don't think I've ever seen. I don't know. I saw him in black tie once for an event. I've never seen him in a suit, though. It's going to be. It's going to be quite a thing.

[Clay Travis]

The grandmas of America would be blown away by how good looking am grandmas are. My base, Laura has talked about this. We go out women who are grandmas like, they flock to me. I am their favorite person on the planet.

[Buck Sexton]

I was talking about this to your wife and a grandma interrupted us to pinch your cheek and talk about how handsome. It was amazing. It was like we had paid her to do this.

[Clay Travis]

It was. I mean, my wife, it is amazing. She was having a conversation with Buck about how the grandmas of I am the favorite person of grandmas in America. While we were doing this, grandma came up. Buck's not exaggerating. And my wife was like, this is unbelievable. It was as if it was a rig job to try to make the case that she was making. It happened as we were talking. So grandmas are going to love this. I think I look good in the suit. Even for people my own age or younger. Grandmas are going to think that I am dashing and debonair.

[Buck Sexton]

So full a VIP grandma from Clay and Bach just. This is breaking news right now. Just wrote in Clay. This is such a tease. He's not showing us the suit. The one day he's not on video and he's looking so dapper. The grandmas are cheated. It's true. You're cheating the grandmas out of their.

[Clay Travis]

I will say I think the pictures are going to come out because the White House photographers were running around snapping. So I think they will come out. I'm not sure how the angles are going to be. To be fair from the Oval Office, I wasn't posing for photos, but I'm cautiously optimistic that people are going to say, you know what, that's a good looking suit. So we've been working on that. By the way, can we play this audio clip? Because I saw this.

[Buck Sexton]

We can do the Holly audio now. Now that we've had some fun.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

This is.

[Buck Sexton]

There's a bunch of these different clips though, because of the gender stuff going on in the Supreme Court right now. We can play one of those too. But this was a witness set this.

[Clay Travis]

Up and a medical doctor on Capitol Hill a little bit earlier today. Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri is questioning her. She's talking about the importance of adhering to science and how fundamental that is to what she does. And Senator Hawley of Missouri just said a basic question to this medical doctor. Can men get pregnant? Listen to her try to answer this question. Play it.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Dr. Vermont, I wasn't sure I understood your answer to Senator Moody a moment ago. Do you think that men can get pregnant?

[Medical Doctor]

I hesitated there because I wasn't sure where the conversation was going or what the goal was. I mean, I do take care of patients with different identities. I take care of many women. I take care of people with different identities. And so that's where I paused. I think. I wasn't sure where you were going with that.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, the goal is. Is the truth. So can men get pregnant again?

[Medical Doctor]

The reason I paused there is. I'm not really sure what the goal of the question.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

The goal is just to establish a biological reality. You just said a moment ago that science and evidence should control, not politics. So let's just test that proposition. Can men get pregnant?

[Medical Doctor]

I take care of people with many identities, but can men get pregnant? Many women that can get pregnant, I do take care of people that don't identify as women.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Can. Can men get pregnant?

[Medical Doctor]

Again, as I'm saying, let me just.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Let me just remind you, you testified to a moment ago, science and evidence should control, not politics. So should. Can men get pregnant? You're a doctor.

[Medical Doctor]

Science and evidence should guide medicine. I do.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Science and evidence tell us that men can get pregnant. Biological men. Can they get pregnant?

[Medical Doctor]

I also think, yes. No questions like this are a political tool.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

No, yes. No questions are about the truth. Doctor, let's not make a mockery of this proceeding. This is about science and evidence. And I'm asking you, you know, the United States Supreme Court just heard arguments yesterday at great length on this question. This is not a hypothetical question. This is not theoretical. It affects real people in their real lives. And you're here as an expert, called by the other side as an expert, and you've been telling us that you. That you follow, right? You're a doctor, and you follow the science and the evidence. So I just want to know, based on the science, can men get pregnant? That's a yes or no question. It really is. I think.

[Medical Doctor]

I think you're trying to reduce the complexity of a lot.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

I'm not. I'm trying to get. It's not complex. I'm trying to get to an answer. And I'm trying to test, frankly, your veracity as a medical professional and as a scientist. Can men get Pregnant.

[Medical Doctor]

I think you're also conflating male with.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

No, I'm not conflating male and female. They're two different things. There's biological men and there's biological women. And I want to know, can men get pregnant?

[Medical Doctor]

Well, you were talking about is biological.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

You're not going to answer my question.

[Medical Doctor]

Biological males.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

This isn't hard. Doctor, can men get pregnant? Yes or no?

[Medical Doctor]

I would be more than happy to have a conversation with you that is not coming from a place of trying to be polarized and push.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

I'm not trying to be polarizing. I'm trying to ask. I think it is extraordinary that we are here in hearing about science and about women. And for the record, it's women who get pregnant, not men. We are here about the safety of women and science that shows that this abortion drug causes adverse health events in 11% of cases. That's 22 times greater than the FDA label. Another fact you haven't acknowledged and yet you won't even acknowledge the basic reality that biological men don't get pregnant. There's a difference between biological men and biological women. I don't know how we can take you seriously and your claims to be a person of science if you won't level with this on this basic issue. I thought we were past all of this. Frankly, I can't believe we're still here talking about this.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, we get it. We get it. Yes, yes.

[Clay Travis]

Can you believe that this is the hill? That they're really going to die on that? This is crazy?

[Buck Sexton]

Of course it's crazy. The line that so many of us remember from Kindergarten Cop, boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. Remember that was yelled by Arnold Schwarzenegger. And he's along with, it's not a tumor. Remember when he says that? And you know, there's some, there's some lines. There's some lines. That movie we all remember. It's actually, that was a pretty fun movie for what it was.

[Clay Travis]

It was kind of very well done.

[Buck Sexton]

It was pretty well done for what it was. But I'm just saying boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. The Democrat party now says, not clear tbd, not sure we can sign on to that one. And this is why you had. And guys, can you pull it over from yesterday? I don't know if we had it. But Ketanji, Brown, Jackson in the Supreme Court, they dance around very straightforward things like, okay, for legal purposes, for the purposes of law, if we're going to have non discrimination statutes when it comes to sex discrimination Title 9, which we have had for decades. How can we apply sex discrimination statutes if we do not have a shared legal definition of sex? They have no answer. And this brings us back to Matt Walsh and what is a woman? And you know the fundamental question, they have no answer. And they can't have an answer because what their answer is is whatever we feel like making you pretend, that's the real answer. There is no other answer.

[Clay Travis]

And that clip is going to go viral and I would encourage you to share it with your kids and your grandkids. And you might say, okay, there's a lot more serious things going on in the world, and certainly there are. But what I would submit to you is on a significant level, once you know that somebody is being dishonest to you and it's a highly trained doctor on top of that, I can't trust them on anything. Once I know that you will not see to basic biological fact, then everything else you're trying to argue to me, everything that you are trying to put out there into the larger world as a significant fact, I'm not willing to follow you and think about how. Look, it's also significant. We tend to say, oh, these experts, these highly trained professionals. She's mortally afraid of saying men can't get pregnant. Not because she knows it to be a factual truth, but because she's afraid of what the reaction from her compatriots, from other people in her profession will be if she answers that biological fact. Remember, Buck, she's under oath as a doctor. Like this is testimony as an expert brought to bear by the Democrat party. Everything else she says is completely untrustworthy when she won't answer that question.

[Buck Sexton]

She's a. She's a lunatic abortionist, from what I understand, right. That woman who's the. So you're already dealing with somebody who's, you know, may. May God have mercy on her, on her everlasting soul. It's not. Not a good situation. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. Here she is. Clay, a Supreme Court justice is in oral arguments tasked with the very straightforward, what is a woman legally defined? And this is how it goes.

[Chief Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson]

Play 32, you have the overarching classification. You know, everybody has to be play on the team that is the same as their sex at birth. But then you have a gender identity definition that is operating within that meaning a distinction, meaning that for cisgender girls, they can play consistent with their gender identity. For transgender girls, they can't.

[Supreme Court Justice]

So I think that. Okay, as to the part about your ability to pass over from boy to girl. Yes, you can go from one way, but not the other. I want to be clear that BBJ is not challenging that specific classification. I think that's important to start with, but I think if anything, that's useful evidence as to the lack of, of a transgender based discrimination. Because if the legislature were just sort of unsettled by the notion of transgender athletes, I think the answer would have been to then bar them from being.

[Clay Travis]

Consistent with their job.

[Chief Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson]

I appreciate that. I guess I was getting at the. What I understood the Chief justice to be trying to discuss, which was this notion that this is really just about the definition of who we accept, that you can accept separate boys and girls. And we are now looking at the definition of a girl. And we're saying only people who were girl assigned at birth.

[Buck Sexton]

Only that's a Supreme Court justice saying that a girl is people who are girl assigned at birth. I mean, honestly, this is like Stalinist show trial. Also my book, by the way, Stalinist show trial absurdity. This is crazy town. And this is a standard mandatory view among Democrats.

[Clay Travis]

She is the worst Supreme Court justice that we have had in my life. She's an embarrassment. Those kinds of questions. She's entitled to have whatever political opinion she wants. Did you see? I think you did, Buck, because I think we were texting about it. She speaks more than anybody else. In addition to being a crazy left wing political figure. She's not a judge. She is a political figure making political arguments at oral arguments when all of the justices have opportunities to speak. She's speaking more as a junior jurist than anyone ever has in the history of Supreme Court oral arguments.

[Buck Sexton]

And she's speaking about like double to triple what the others are.

[Clay Travis]

Correct.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And saying really, to be fair, there's some positivity where she speaks so much that she is destroying any legitimacy she has. But the last curse of Joe Biden that unfortunately is probably going to be with us for generations is Katanji Brown Jackson. We can get over inflation. We can fix a lot of the problems that Joe Biden embedded in this country in the years ahead. Unfortunately, for the next 40 years, we're probably going to be stuck with Katanji Brown Jackson. She is the final curse of the Biden era. Look, you know what's an opposite of a curse? It's something that is, that's actually beneficial to the country as a whole. I would argue football is beneficial to the country as a whole. Lot of fun. We've got great games. Two on Saturday, two on Sunday. One on Monday. If you are a football fan, Buck's going to go with me to the Indiana Miami game down in Miami on Monday. Can't wait to see how the college football national championship is going to resolve itself. But if you are a big NFL fan, we got two games on Saturday, we got two games on Sunday. I gave you a pick. I'll give out more details on it. Quarterbacks, we shared it yesterday, I believe, but I want you to just go get signed up for prize picks right now. You can play in all 50 states. You get $50 in credit in your account when you sign up in all 50 states. California, Texas, Georgia. You've been feeling left out no longer. You go to prizepix.com use my name Clay. You get $50 in credit deposited into your account when you play $5. $50 in all 50 states. When you play $5. You can play along with us. We'll give you some picks going into the weekend for the Saturday and Sunday action. You're gonna love it. Price picks a lot of fun. It's easy to use. You will be a big fan of this app. Download it. Use my name Clay. $50 deposited in your account when you play. $5 in credit. You're gonna love it. PricePicks.com code Clay. You can download the app. PricePix.com code C L A Y.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back. In closing up the Wednesday edition of the program, appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Wednesday edition. We're still waiting, Buck, for President Trump who has yet to address the nation. But they are expecting him to speak at any moment, particularly potentially having to deal with what's going on in Iran.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, did he give you the go sign, Clay? Was he like probably going to be a bad day for the Mullers, Clay. I'm just saying probably not going to be excited about their their Thursday morning.

[Clay Travis]

We will see Sean Hannity will be picking up the baton here on many of our member stations across the entirety of the country. And Sean Hannity may have some some major news for you. So that's a tease for Sean Hannity show coming up next.

[Buck Sexton]

Another guy who the Midwestern moms and grandmas. Big fans, big fans of the Sean Hannity handsomeness. You, I don't know, between you and Sean, the Grannies of America, both of you guys. They think you're both very handsome fellows.

[Clay Travis]

We love you, all of the grandmas out there across America, particularly me. And I hope that you get to see me in my spectacular brand new suit.

[Buck Sexton]

That's the most Clay move ever right there. That's the Clay Travis move right there.

[Clay Travis]

I'm sorry. I love grandma's more than you do, Buck and I'm not going to apologize. And he will be back tomorrow. I'll be in D.C. so we will. We will see exactly how everything shakes out. But I cannot wait to see what is going to transpire and should be tomorrow. We could be.

[Buck Sexton]

We could be doing a show in what feels like a rapidly evolving geopolitical scene. I have a feeling some big stuff is coming, my friends. I think Clay thinks so as well. So strap in tomorrow, we'll talk to you then. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.