Hour 3 - Clay Can't Be Cancelled!

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show - Hour 3: Clay Can't Be Cancelled!

Release Date: March 6, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Guest: Senator Roger Marshall (R-Kansas)

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Introduction

In the third hour of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton engage in lively discussions covering a spectrum of pressing topics, from political controversies and government spending to cultural debates surrounding cancel culture and musicals. The episode features an insightful interview with Senator Roger Marshall from Kansas, who delves into current political dynamics and policy issues. Additionally, Clay and Buck share their unabashed opinions on cancel culture and the state of musical theater in America.

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Interview with Senator Roger Marshall

Transgender Athletes in Sports

The episode kicks off with Clay Travis addressing the contentious issue of transgender women competing in women's sports. He references California Governor Gavin Newsom's recent statement labeling it "completely unfair" and highlights the surprising unanimous support from Democratic senators earlier in the week.

Clay Travis [00:00]:
"Earlier this week we talked with Majority Leader Thune and we've been talking about Gavin Newsom and his potential attempts to walk back the idea of men identifying as women being able to compete in women's sports. Newsom today, governor of California called it completely unfair, yet every single Democrat senator voted to allow it earlier this week."

Senator Roger Marshall [00:57]:
"Look, this poll is more like 95 to 5. Back home, 95 of Kansans don't think it's right boys to compete against girls. It's not an 80-20 issue. It's at least a 90 to 10 issue."
(00:57)

Marshall criticizes Democratic senators for ignoring the overwhelming public opinion favoring his stance, attributing their actions to a broader "Trump derangement syndrome."

Government Spending and Fraud Prevention

Shifting focus, Buck Sexton inquires about efforts to curb government waste and fraud, particularly highlighting conversations with Elon Musk.

Buck Sexton [02:27]:
"You're involved with and have had recent conversations with Elon Musk, who's filled you in on what's going on with his team. Can you bring us up to speed?"

Senator Marshall [02:27]:
"Elon Musk is not out there looking at people's Social Security numbers. He's too busy for that. He has chosen some people that are now full-time employees of the federal government. They went through all that process you're supposed to and they're in there shining a flashlight."
(02:27)

Marshall emphasizes the collaboration between Musk and government officials to identify and eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse within federal expenditures, citing a Government Accounting Office report on improper federal checks.

Gender-Affirming Surgeries for Minors

Clay brings up a new study addressing the impacts of gender-affirming surgeries on minors, questioning the ethical and medical implications.

Clay Travis [04:07]:
"There's a precipitating factor of discussion here, saying that under 18 surgeries that change the gender in some way, gender change surgery is actually incredibly destructive to kids and that they don't actually have better outcomes as adults."

Senator Marshall [05:17]:
"Any type of surgery. Young ladies I've known, older women have had mastectomies. They have pain the rest of their life... I can't believe the governor of Kansas vetoed a bill that would have prevented this from happening as well."
(05:17)

As an OB-GYN, Marshall strongly opposes gender-affirming surgeries for minors, labeling them as child abuse and irreversible medical procedures that lead to lifelong consequences.

Budget Priorities and Tax Cuts

The conversation transitions to budget priorities under President Trump, focusing on making tax cuts permanent and funding for border security.

Clay Travis [07:11]:
"Senator, as you look at the battle going forward over whether or not the budget priorities of President Trump are going to follow the Senate direction or the House direction..."

Senator Marshall [07:39]:
"What he's asking is to make his tax cuts permanent. If we don't, then it's going to mean thousands of dollars to hardworking families."
(07:39)

Marshall outlines the Senate's strategy to adopt the House bill, ensuring the permanence of tax cuts and securing funds for building the border wall and enhancing military capabilities.

Potential Disassembly of the Department of Education

Buck Sexton probes into the anticipated executive order aimed at dismantling the Department of Education.

Buck Sexton [09:28]:
"Is this going to happen and why is it the right move?"

Senator Marshall [09:28]:
"I think that most of us, especially conservatives, think that education should be controlled at the local level with parents and their local school board..."
(09:28)

Marshall expresses support for reducing federal control over education, advocating for increased local governance and accountability.

Trump’s Speech and Democratic Behavior on Capitol Hill

Clay reflects on President Trump's recent speech at the House chamber, contrasting the performance of his cabinet with the behavior of Democratic members.

Clay Travis [10:33]:
"You were Tuesday in the House chamber for Donald Trump's speech. What did you think of the speech and what did you think of Democrat behavior based on being there in person?"

Senator Marshall [10:53]:
"I can feel this momentum from back home that when the night Donald Trump was elected, you could just literally feel this big shift we call America turning in the right direction. ... They were very rude."
(10:53)

Marshall lauds the Trump administration's decorum and focus, criticizing Democrats for their lack of respect and divisive behavior during the event.

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Discussion on Cancel Culture and Musicals

Critique of Musical Theater

Following the interview, Clay and Buck turn to cultural commentary, specifically targeting the popularity of musicals and highlighting their disdain for the genre.

Buck Sexton [15:04]:
"I think this is one of those issues where you and I disagree vociferously. We disagree strenuously... Hamilton sucks. It has always sucked. It is horrible. It is not good."
(15:04)

Clay Travis [16:11]:
"I hate musicals. I don't like any musical. ... All musicals, by and large, would be better if they did not exist."
(16:11)

Buck and Clay share their strong negative opinions on musicals, using Hamilton as a primary example of what they consider poor artistic quality.

Elizabeth Warren’s 'Pocahontas' Nickname and Racism Debate

The discussion shifts to President Trump's nickname for Senator Elizabeth Warren, examining accusations of racism and the validity of such claims.

Clay Travis [18:01]:
"In other words, the satire and ridicule that Trump is heaping upon her, far from being racist, is actually ridiculing her because she owes her entire career to a claim that she is Native American."
(18:01)

Buck Sexton [22:17]:
"She plagiarized a cook named Pow Wow Chow. She stole a Julia Child's recipe, renamed it under her Pow Wow Chow, and then went on the warpath."
(22:17)

Clay defends Trump's use of "Pocahontas" as a critique of Warren's heritage claims, arguing that it highlights inconsistencies and fraudulent aspects of her identity.

Decline of Cancel Culture

The hosts argue that cancel culture has significantly diminished, citing recent examples and their personal experiences of overcoming potential backlash.

Buck Sexton [27:34]:
"It really has. It's a much better thing for the country. It was a panic."
(27:34)

Clay Travis [31:13]:
"I think I am un-cancelable. I think I can say whatever I want and I think I cannot be canceled."
(31:13)

They contend that the era of swift, severe repercussions for controversial statements is waning, emphasizing a cultural shift towards greater resilience against cancelation.

Mention of Ryan Gardusky’s Cancellation

Clay and Buck address specific instances where individuals within their network have faced cancelation, acknowledging recent events and their responses.

Clay Travis [33:36]:
"Ryan Gardusky just got canceled by CNN like 3 months ago..."
(33:36)

They use Gardusky's experience to illustrate that while cancel culture has declined, it still affects individuals, yet they support their network members.

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Conclusion

In this episode, The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show effectively intertwines political discourse with cultural critiques, providing listeners with a comprehensive look at current events and societal shifts. Senator Roger Marshall offers a Republican perspective on critical policy issues, while Clay and Buck engage in spirited debates on cancel culture and the arts, reinforcing their stance on free speech and cultural authenticity.

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Notable Quotes:

• Senator Roger Marshall [00:57]:
  "This poll is more like 95 to 5. Back home, 95 of Kansans don't think it's right boys to compete against girls. It's not an 80-20 issue."

• Clay Travis [05:17]:
  "From a child abuse standpoint, from a physician standpoint, of doing no harm, I don't know why anyone can do this."

• Senator Marshall [07:39]:
  "What he's asking is to make his tax cuts permanent. If we don't, then it's going to mean thousands of dollars to hardworking families."

• Buck Sexton [15:04]:
  "We disagree strenuously. Hamilton sucks. It has always sucked. It is horrible. It is not good."

• Clay Travis [31:13]:
  "I think I am un-cancelable. I think I can say whatever I want and I think I cannot be canceled."

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This detailed summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, insights, and the dynamic interplay between hosts and their guest. Whether you're a regular listener or new to the show, this summary provides a comprehensive overview of the topics covered in Hour 3: Clay Can't Be Cancelled!.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

Welcome in hour number three. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show, Thursday Edition. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We've been diving into a massive amount of the big stories out there right now. And we're joined now on Capitol Hill, I believe by Senator Roger Marshall from the great state of Kansas. Senator, a lot to dove into with you. But earlier this week we talked with Majority Leader Thune and we've been talking about Gavin Newsom and his potential attempts to walk back the idea of men identifying as women being able to compete in women's sports. Newsom today, governor of California called it completely unfair, yet every single Democrat senator voted to allow it earlier this week. How crazy is that? We're even. You surprised that uniformly they were behind that idea?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Well, I wasn't surprised because they've been very consistently against this. They just seem to be wallowing in their own pig barn, I guess, and they can't get off of this issue. Look, this poll is more like 95 to 5. Back home, 95 of Kansans don't think it's right boys to compete against girls. It's not an 8020 issue. It's at least a 90 to 10 issue. And I think that's why you see Gavin Newsom, who thinks he's the next president of the United States and saying, gosh, I got to walk away from this one. But our Democrats, I was just going to say it. They've got, they've got a psychosis right now, not shake this Trump derangement syndrome. This should be a very easy issue to get off of for them. And they just, they can't stop. They're in this hole. They can't stop digging.

[Buck Sexton]

Senator, appreciate you being with us. It's Buck, I think first time we've got a chance to talk to you on the show. So Doge and what has been accomplished, what will be accomplished? I know you're looking into this. You're involved with and have had recent conversations with Elon Musk, who's filled you in on what's going on with his team. Can you bring us up to speed? Because there's what has been reported and then some of this stuff, some of the numbers get a little bit adjusted about what Doge has done thus far and then what the plans are as you know them and you know, to the best of your ability, what's confirmed so far, you know, what can we know is Solid is the $100 billion of savings is that rock solid. Bring us up to speed.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yeah, Buck, I think it's Solid in the sense if the swamp will do what we've exposed. So look at it this way. Elon Musk is not out there looking at people's Social Security numbers. He's too busy for that. He has chosen some people that are now full time employees of the federal government. They went through all that process you're supposed to and they're in there shining a flashlight. So they find some fraud, waste, abuse, frankly, incompetence. They go back to those agency heads and say, hey, here's some money, here's some opportunities. Why in the world we have 2 million federal employees but over 4 million credit cards? Why in your agency you have 10,000 employees but 20,000 software subscriptions to the same company? So I think that those will come to fruition. But eventually we need to go back to a rescission process. And that's where the President makes a request to rescind this money. And you've seen these list of things. And then Congress gets to vote on those rescissions. And we'll see if the Democrats can stay together and continue to vote against some of this fraud, waste and abuse. In speaking with Elon just yesterday, he truly believes that there's 15 to 25% of government spending is waste. I think more than that. I'll give you a quick example. The Government Accounting Office, not Marshall, not Elon Musk, the Government Accounting Office says last year the Federal government issued $250 billion of improper checks. Not fraud, waste, reviews, just improper checks. $250 billion. So we're trying to track down things like that. The sky's the limit here.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Senator Roger Marshall. I think the last time we had you on, Senator, we were up in Milwaukee getting ready for the rnc. Appreciate you joining. Let's go into. We were just having a discussion, Buck and I were, about the decision to have kids having surgeries, that there's a new study out. There's the precipitating factor of discussion here, saying that under 18 surgeries that change the gender in some way, gender change surgery is actually incredibly destructive to kids and that they don't actually have better outcomes as adults. I bet in the state of Kansas, it's similar to my home state of Tennessee. If I took one of my boys, they're all under 18, to get a tattoo in addition to their mom killing me, it would be a crime. I can't allow their skin to be altered because they're minors. How in the world is this permissible for parents to sign off on and for doctors to do. I know you have a medical degree. Does this seem as crazy to you as it does to both Buck and I?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Well, Clay and Buck, this is absolutely a child abuse. Again, I'm an obgyn. I'm just not a doctor. I'm an OB gyn. I've had to work on some young ladies, girls born with ambiguous genitalia. I won't go into the details, but it's a very painful surgery to try to fix things. Any type of surgery. Young ladies I've known, older women have had mastectomies. They have pain the rest of their life. They get lymphedema, the blood doesn't drain. Right. Any of these surgeries, anyone that's gone through enough surgeries knows that there's going to be chronic pain because of this. And my guess is it'll lead to many, many more surgeries. So I think just from a child abuse standpoint, from a physician standpoint, of doing no harm, I don't know why anyone can do this. I can't believe the governor of Kansas vetoed a bill that would have prevented this from happening as well. And then the mental anguish. Look, I feel for these people that feel like they should be the opposite sex. I mean, there's something going on there. They need some help. But let's not let them do something that's irreversible. You know, a young mom and bring in their teenage daughter to me and, you know, talking about, frankly, promiscuity and pregnancy. And I would just. I would talk to them both. Look, you don't want this, what I call permanent scar tissue. Once you get a tattoo, it never goes away. If you get an std, you become infertile for the rest of your life. So these surgeries, they leave them infertile. And the medical. The medicine they give them lots of times also cause infertility. That's not reversible. And a whole lot of other changes. There's nothing right about this. I just yet. Can anyone look me in the eye and say that they think this is a good idea? I don't know where it came from.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking to Senator right now out of. Pardon me, Clay, take this for a second. I got a problem on my earpiece.

[Clay Travis]

Senator Marshall from Kansas, as you look at the battle going forward over whether or not the budget priorities of President Trump are going to follow the Senate direction or the House direction, what can you tell us the latest on those proposals? Do you think it's going to be one bill? Do you think it's Going to be multiple bills. What should we know about how this is going to end up being reconciled going forward and the timeframe behind it?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Look, I think there could still be a second and third bite of the apple, but we need to focus right now on giving the President a win. What he's asking is to make his tax cuts permanent. If we don't, then it's going to mean thousands of dollars to hard working families. If we don't make those tax cuts permanent, it'll mean trillions of dollars of lost income to America. So we need to make the tax cuts permanent in this first big, beautiful bill. So we're going to take the House bill and try to improve it. So we're going to try to make the tax cuts permanent. The House does a nice job of giving the President enough money to fund building the wall and also the money to get rid of these criminal, violent aliens that are in the country as well, plus up the military some as well. So I think we got to take what we can get. President Reagan said this, take 80% if you can get it. I think this will get 90% of what we wanted and then we're going to have to come back and hopefully find more cuts. Believe it or not, the Senate wants to cut more money than the House does. So we're trying to figure out if there's a way to cut more money. And I talked about these rescissions earlier. To me, this is one problem. They're all woven together. What can we do to work towards a balanced budget? But we'll take the House bill and see if we can approve it over here on the Senate side. Come back and take a second bite at the apple on some of those other issues that President Trump wants us to get at.

[Buck Sexton]

Senator Marshall, I'm back and I'll be able to hear your answer. Sorry, earpiece came out there for a second. Don't want to have an interview where I can't hear the other side. Tell me what you think about the executive order that is supposed to come down imminently on, I guess, disassembling the Department of Education. It's not really clear to me what exactly is going to be in it because it hasn't been released, but I'm sure you're up on it. Is this going to happen and why is. If it does happen, why is it the right move?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Look, I think that most of us, especially conservatives, think that education should be controlled at the local level with parents and their local school board, because the federal government is controlling so many of the dollars. They also have rules and regulations that go along with that. What I expect this executive order to do is to have Secretary McMahon present a plan to Congress to say, this is how we disassemble the Department of Education. Now, look, this is a sad day for me in the sense that President Eisenhower helped start this Department of Education, but it's just, it's out of control. President Eisenhower also said that he would rue the day when the federal government was giving money to universities and the schools there as well. So I think that she'll present a policy. I think there's limits to what he can do with an executive order, and that's going to be up to Congress to act on this. But whatever he can do within the constitutional limits of his abilities there to executive branch, I think they're going to push everything they can to the state level school.

[Clay Travis]

You.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

He can do school choice through an executive order. But we need, I need to check that.

[Clay Travis]

You were Tuesday in the House chamber for Donald Trump's speech. What did you think of the speech and what did you think of Democrat behavior based on being there in person? We're told it was even more egregious in person than it was for those of us watching on television.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yeah, a couple of thoughts. You know, I can feel this momentum from back home that when the night Donald Trump was elected, you could just literally feel this big shift we call America turning in the right direction. I've never been more bullish on America than I am today, that our better days are ahead of us. And you saw, I think it's Cabinet. Did you see the interaction, the body language of his Cabinet members up front? That's really different than any I've seen. And I've just been up here for eight years. But these people are godly men and women. They have their own Bible study. I mean, these folks are focused on America first. Now, let's contrast that to the Democrat side. I, this was, this was rude. You know, I suffered through four years of Biden. The first lady, Mrs. Biden is introduced, we stand up and politely applaud her. The people he's chosen that Biden chose to come and celebrate their lives. There were great stories, all of them, most of them, and we stood up and applauded them. But when the Democrats wouldn't get up and applaud for a young boy who survived brain cancer, the Secret Service was deputizing him. Another young man, his life dreamed to go to West Point. And they announced that in front of everybody as well. You know, I understand that they don't like President Trump. They are mistaken on the policies, though. 80% of Americans. I'm going to back up 70% of Americans. I don't want to exaggerate. 70% of Americans at least support President Trump's agenda. If you take them one at a time, 70% of America support those agenda items. The Democrats again are wallowing there in a pigsty, if you will, and they just can't get out. But it was an embarrassment. It was worse than what you saw on tv. Very petty to see these little signs flashed in front of us, no doubt.

[Clay Travis]

Senator, we appreciate you and we're happy to have you on anytime. Keep up the good fight. Condolences on your Kansas City Chiefs going down. I know Kansas City. I know you're a big Chiefs fan. That was a tough one for you.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yeah, I appreciate that. And my Jayhawks and Wildcats Kansas schools aren't doing very well either. We'll, we'll live to fight another day. Thanks for giving us a voice. My Kansas. Love listening to you guys. Thank you so much. Have a great day.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you, too. That Senator Marshall, great state of Kansas, solid representative for the people there. And we appreciate the time. I want to tell you, after we went off the air yesterday, President Trump met with eight freed Israeli hostages, including Omar Shem Tav, the son of the father we met with when we were in Israel last December with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. The hostages there thanked President Trump for his efforts bringing them home. And Trump sent a strong message to the terrorists in Hamas of what would happen if the remaining hostages and the bodies, unfortunately, if some of those hostages aren't released very soon, I'll never forget the time that we spent there. The bomb shelters that we visited, the vehicles that had been rehabbed to allow people to safely try to protect so many people. The food shelter that we went to, we went all over the place so that the IFCJ's work could be seen in its full spectrum. And as Israelis work hard to return to a life of normalcy, the IFCJ has continued to support those in the Holy Land still continuing to face the lingering horrors of war and those in desperate need. Right now, your ongoing monthly gift of $45 can provide critically needed aid to communities in the north and the south devastated by the ongoing war. Visit supportifcj.org to show your support. That's one word. Supportifcj.org 888488 ifcj that's 888488 ifcj news and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in. My bad. Stepping in there. So fired up, Buck, to. To dive right into all of these crazy stories of the day.

[Buck Sexton]

I want to jump into this right away. That's why I got excited about this, because I think this is one of those issues where you and I disagree vociferously. We disagree strenuously. Hamilton has canceled its run. You know, the Broadway show. Hamilton has canceled its run at the Kennedy center in what is being taken as a hit at Donald Trump because he took control of the Performing Arts Center's Board of Trustees. Our show. This is the quote. Our show simply cannot in good conscience participate and be a part of this new culture that is being imposed on the Kennedy Center. You know, this is the Lin Manuel Miranda production. I just want to point out to everybody, Hamilton sucks. It has always sucked. It is horrible. It is not good. And I don't even care about the. I'm talking about artistically. I don't care that it made a billion dollars. So did Cats. Hamilton is garbage. It should go in French a la poo belle. It is no good. And everyone should just remember that. I just wanted to trash Hamilton because I watched it on YouTube and it was the worst thing I've ever seen.

[Clay Travis]

I went and watched it on Broadway. Let me just say this. I am. Then this is. I'm going to get. I know I'm going to get lit up. I hate musicals. I don't like any musical. I understand that some of you out there are like, oh, musicals are amazing. Every time someone sings, I just. It takes me completely out of whatever story is going on because no one actually. And I understand that. Maybe I just want too much realism. No one ever actually sings anywhere. So I hate all musicals within the context of that. So.

[Buck Sexton]

So Clay is a philistine. Put that aside for a second.

[Clay Travis]

All musicals, by and large, would be better if they did not exist. The world would be better, in my opinion, with no musicals. I just want actual plays.

[Buck Sexton]

He just wants more solo time for the flute.

[Clay Travis]

That's true, but within the context of understanding that all musicals are awful, I thought, as all musicals are awful, Hamilton was higher than the average musical performance.

[Buck Sexton]

This is like if. This is like if Gavin Newsom gave his Broadway review of Hamilton. You're like, I don't. It's not.

[Clay Travis]

I hate you. Is I hate all musicals. My wife is afraid to try to get me to go to a musical. Ok, I don't hate concerts. I hate musicals. But Hamilton was not the worst musical that I've ever seen.

[Buck Sexton]

The worst musical I've ever seen is Hedwig and the Angry Inch. But Hamilton, which I saw in person and I was traumatized. I don't know if you know what that's about. It's actually about a sex change operation. There you go.

[Clay Travis]

No, I don't know anything about that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yep, yep, yep. I got taken to it. It was not my choice. It was a date. It was a date that, you know, I should not have gone on. But Hamilton is trash. I just like to say it over and over again because I've always said it and people disagree with me, but they're wrong.

[Clay Travis]

That's where they have that great line in, in the succession where they say, what kind of party is it? He's like, it's a party where you can admit that, that Hamilton actually wasn't any good.

[Buck Sexton]

The best line in the whole series.

[Clay Travis]

Amazing line. I want to tell you one thing's for certain. You want to save your money. And you can save money not only by avoiding going to any musical because they're all awful, but also by switching to pure talk from AT&T, Verizon or T Mobile. You can save a bundle. No inflated prices. Premium service, America's most dependable 5G network. Get your iPhone 14 or Samsung Galaxy. No cost to you. Qualifying plan by dialing £250 saying Clay and Buck again, £250. Same phone, same phone number or a new phone. But in the process, you can save a bundle when you switch to Pure Talk, America's wireless company. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program. Buck, I don't know if you saw this, but Elizabeth Warren getting called Pocahontas as it was very well done by.

[Buck Sexton]

Trump, ad libbed the funny bone with that one. That was fun.

[Clay Travis]

Ad libbing the funniest in my opinion. I know we've debated this before. I think clearly the funniest nickname that anyone has ever been given. But did you see this? A Reuters reporter came out and said that this was super racist of Trump and I want to make sure that I read and ridicule this woman because this is a crazy take. Nandita Bowes, whose biography says and community notes. Very fun. This is the White House correspondent for Reuters, Reuters big news organization. She says on her account, facts not opinions. Northwestern grad I could give you her email address because it's in her bio, but I am going to be kind and I am not going to allow you guys to absolutely flood her email with hysterical comments. I don't want that to happen. I'm trying to be kind here. She tweeted Buck Pocahontas, first racial slur. In a joint address, the reader's note. I thought you would like this. Buck Community notes says Elizabeth Warren claimed to be a Native American and was honored for being a woman of color at Harvard. This earned her the nickname Pocahontas. President Trump's use of the nickname highlighted her absurdity and misrepresentation. And then as a link, okay, shouldn't this be an actual, still way bigger story that Elizabeth Warren has to answer for more frequently? In other words, the satire and ridicule that Trump is heaping upon her, far from being racist, is actually ridiculing her because she owes her entire career to a claim that she is Native American. She then, in an effort to prove that she was Native American, shared a DNA test that showed buck she was 1, 1024th Native American. 1024th, which is actually less Native American than the average white person living in America today is. In other words, most of us, probably me, maybe Buck as well, are more Native American than Elizabeth Warren is. She wrote a cookbook called Pow Wow Chow. She claimed that she was Native American because of her cheekbones and. Excuse me.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, excuse me, important detail. She plagiarized a cook named Pow Wow Chow. She stole a Julia Child's recipe, renamed it under her Pow Wow Chow, and then went on the warpath.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's good. It's very good. But she got her start in teaching at law schools by claiming to be a minority. I. Not only is this, I think, a very funny nickname, how about the fact that this Reuters reporter who claims that she only deals in facts, not opinions, says that Trump calling her Pocahontas is racist, like the standard for racism. Do you remember? I actually feel sorry for this woman. Do you remember Rachel Dolezalbach, the. The white woman who claimed to be black and was the head of, I think, like the Spokane, Washington naacp? We've got a big audience.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, good recall with the Spokane.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, I think that's correct. I thank you for everybody listening out there in Spokane. We love you guys. So it would not be racist to call her Harriet Tubman. It would actually be very funny because she's not actually black. So if I called her a modern day Harriet Tubman, first Of all, it's not an insult. Harriet Tubman. They were trying to put her on the $20bill to kick Andy. Andrew Jackson off. I don't know what happened with that. You remember that, that story.

[Buck Sexton]

She's a heroic American icon. Indeed.

[Clay Travis]

But if you were white and you claimed to be black, it wouldn't be racist for me to call you Harriet Tubman. It would actually be funny because you're not actually black. Trump's ridicule of Pocahontas, of Elizabeth Warren, actually just reinforces for me what a complete free pass she got from a total why. And it had me thinking, what is the worst why that a Democrat in the Senate has gotten away with? Because I think it's Elizabeth Warren. But the guy who claimed Blumenthal totally lied about being. Do you remember this? Buck Blumenthal, Senator from Connecticut, I believe, totally lied about going to Vietnam and being under fire and all these things. And nobody talks about that either. Like, there are a lot of deep lies that have been allowed on the Democrat side. People just stop talking about it. How about our buddy Swalwell sleeping with a Chinese spy? Like, a lot of these stories that should be disqualifying just vanish.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, you're just. You're just doing, like, the Democrat greatest hits right now.

[Clay Travis]

He's like.

[Buck Sexton]

He's like. He's like, pocahontas is a fraud. Do you know that, Jay?

[Clay Travis]

That.

[Buck Sexton]

That. That Teddy Kennedy let a woman drown in the back of his car. Are you aware of what Bill Clinton.

[Clay Travis]

Was doing in the old office? But some of the stuff, in other words, that you get away with, and I'm talking about in your public life, that should be integral to your overall bio. Elizabeth Warren would have had no career if she hadn't lied about being Native American. Blumenthal tries to use his service to justify his election. When you lie about basic, fundamental aspects of your life that are easily refuted to me, that should remain a bigger story. Instead, Trump's getting attacked for making fun of Pocahontas.

[Buck Sexton]

You know why? It's not a bigger story anymore, Clay. Honestly, Elizabeth Warren just not. Not powerful enough in the Democrat Party to get too much focus or attention, you know?

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's interesting. You just think she's just totally irrelevant, so nobody cares about her anymore.

[Buck Sexton]

That's exactly right. And I also think that nobody truly gets upset about the. About the Pocahontas line. This is just people who feel very sad about what's going on with Trump and all of the winning for Trump and the people who voted for him and for the country, whether Democrats like it or not. They're going to say these things like it's racist, but that doesn't. That doesn't actually add up. And I would. I would agree with you. It also is a reminder of how much things have changed in the. In the Trump era. You have the actual president calling a sitting US Senator Pocahontas as a term of mockery. It was not that long ago where much more minor. I mean, I think. When do you think the canceled for minor, slight power of the left was at its absolute apex? I'm not talking about. Of course, during COVID they gave us a trial of pure communism and authoritarianism. It was madness. But, I mean, if you said something that you didn't even mean to be offensive, you could still get tossed. I mean, you know, like, you've. There were different sports writers, I remember, who wrote things that got them fired. And sometimes you'd look at it and you'd say, hold on a second. That actually isn't racist at all.

[Clay Travis]

This is the last time. That's a good question, because I do think cancel culture has feed itself faded substantially. And you guys out there listening may be able to think of it. It's a good question, Buck. Who is the last person to get fired for something that they said? Not like Joy Reed got fired because nobody watched her show and she was a. Eventually, they stopped.

[Buck Sexton]

A fair reason to be fired from your television show, correct?

[Clay Travis]

That's a fair job. Like, if you're not good at your job, I think you should be fired. So I'm not talking about you get fired because not enough people are consuming your work. I mean, you got fired because of one sentence or one story or one tweet. I don't. It's actually a really good question. Who. And. And I don't mean like somebody at a local post office. I mean somebody in the public arena. But I do think it's faded even for normal jobs, which is good. You shouldn't get fired for something that you post on Facebook. If you work at, I don't know, a local. A local fire department. Did you see this story back, by the way? I texted it to you. But in my hometown of Nashville, did you see the fireman who teed off on BLM and they offered to settle his case for $100,000? The local Nashville politicians said, no, that's too much. He went to trial and he won $1.8 million because they had reprimanded him for something that he posted anti the blm. Protests on Facebook.

[Buck Sexton]

Good for him, by the way. That's.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, Amen.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a win. Win for all of us.

[Clay Travis]

Huge. I love that story and I love that the politicians were all wrong. Like, oh, we're not going to settle this for $100,000. They should all get fired for being morons. But it does feel to me like we've come through the cancel culture fires, by and large, and nobody is really getting canceled for one statement. Roseanne, obviously, is one of the ones in the last few years that I remember where she made fun of Valerie Jarrett. What do you care? Like, why should she not be able to be on a television show because she made fun of Valerie Jarrett in any way. Right. And I say that first. People can say awful things about me if they wanted to. And they're on television shows like, you shouldn't lose your job because you ridicule somebody online. I can't even think of somebody. Can you? We'll go to break and I'm going to check mentions. You can, you know, at. Clay Travis, you can send me a mention. I do think it's a sign of positivity and also of Trump changing the culture that much of the cancel culture universe has collapsed. It really has.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a much better thing for the country. It was a panic. And you saw this a lot with the way that they would go after people in the media. Clay, you and I have both witnessed this and at different times experienced it ourselves. They try to create a frenzy and they try to get immediate action by making it seem like the transgression was much more serious than it was to anybody, really. Because once you fired somebody, you're not bringing them back. You're not going to go back on that. Right. People have realized that, you know, unless you're talking about something that's truly indefensible and crazy and even one's own audience and one's own side would find it to be so the notion of getting somebody can. Because they say something offhand that, you know, struck some as a little, little too risque. That's just not the country. I'm sorry, I thought this was America. That's not the country I wanted to live in. So there we go.

[Clay Travis]

I will say, Buck, the positive is if they come after you and they fail, and this is what we were talking about this last night at our dinner when they tried to come after me over the First Amendment and boobs line, you actually come through all the fire. And it really drives them even more insane because I truly Believe this. I think. I think I am un cancelable. I think I can say whatever I want and I think I cannot be canceled. I really do.

[Buck Sexton]

Look at this.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, this.

[Buck Sexton]

Look at this.

[Clay Travis]

I think the audience is like, you're uncancelable when your audience will have your back no matter what, and they know you're not going to bend the knee and apologize. And that's one thing that I have learned. I think we've moved through cancel culture, but I don't think there's anything I could say that would get me canceled. I really. I really mean that. Now. People might be angry you're still here.

[Buck Sexton]

And you said Gladiator 2 was a good movie. So I think we've already tested this out.

[Clay Travis]

I'm a little bit nervous to even check my mentions because I said all musicals are trash. And I know I'm getting lit up. I know some of you out there.

[Buck Sexton]

If you think the flute orchestra mafia comes after you once you mess with show tunes and Broadway, they're all trash. Tim Waltz is going to be all up in your mentions. Very upsetting.

[Clay Travis]

Tim Walls is. Tim Walls definitely loves musicals.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, for sure. I think he's probably practicing for the HMS Pinafore right now. All right. Sorry. Sorry, everybody. All right. Owning gold has been a good thing for me. If you own gold, you know what I mean? Gold has consistently grown in value for years now. Really, for decades. Look at the price of gold from 25 years ago to today. Look, a lot of countries are buying gold in large quantities for good reason. Owning gold is the best way to hedge against inflation and to anchor economies in times of uncertainty. The good news that you can own gold and have it safely stored away in your savings account, 401k or both for that matter, you can store your physical gold at your home just as easily. Birch Gold Group can help you with this as they have so many listeners already in this audience. When you talk with the people at Birch Gold Group, they'll offer you a copy of a new study on how gold will prevail in the Trump era with a forward by Donald Trump Jr. To get your free copy along with Birch Gold's free information kit, text my name Buck to the number 989898 or go online to birchgold.com Buck again, text my name Buck to 989898 or go online to birchGold.com Buck making America great.

[Clay Travis]

Again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

We. We do.

[Buck Sexton]

We've got pandemonium breaking out online.

[Clay Travis]

Corrections that. That are coming down. Let me start. Can I. Should I start? I'll.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah. Well, you gotta hop on this hand grenade, sir. Yes, go for it.

[Clay Travis]

So when I said no one had been canceled in recent memory, I neglected to realize or remember. My apologies. Ryan Gardusky just got canceled by CNN like 3 months ago and he's.

[Buck Sexton]

He joined you. He is in the brotherhood of the.

[Clay Travis]

Band, but he's legitimately in our podcast network. And I just apologies to the Ryan Gardesky fan base and all of his family because I'm like, I can't even. I. Nobody's been canceled in forever. And then I went into my mentions and all of you are like, hey, you idiot, he's in your podcast network. He made a joke about. About a bomb like a pager exploding for a flagrantly anti Israel panelist on. On cnn and they canceled him off cnn. So that. That is the last guy that I can remember. Now a lot of you are sending me emails about people in the past several years. We're not disputing that. But I did totally whiff on forgetting one of our own pod. Well, we didn't cancel him. In fact, probably was better for his career. Yeah, we hired him. So we did the opposite of a cancel. We responded to cancel culture by hiring. But I certainly whiffed on that one. And you should go into my mentions right now, Buck the musical. They are. They are singing My funeral. The musical fans all throughout the entire landscape of musical theater.

[Buck Sexton]

So Clay. Clay has kicked the hornet's nest and they are now all buzzing in tune as they are upset at his musical take here. But wheels on Twitter on X writes Clay, weird hill to die on. Especially when the hills are alive with the sound of music. Well played.

[Clay Travis]

That. I mean, some of you are very witty and the comments are going to be outstanding. Would it be for me to say that musicals are overwhelmingly more popular with women than men? Would that be a fair comment to.

[Buck Sexton]

Make that musicals are more popular with women than men?

[Clay Travis]

Overwhelmingly. Like, the number of women that like musicals far exceeds the number of men that like musicals. That would be a fair analysis, right? Like, I would say 70% of musical fans are women and 30% are men and they're all gay. But that's okay. There's nothing wrong with it. Musicals are awful. Just tell me what you think. I don't need to hear you sing what you think. Just tell me. Hey, this is every musical would be better if they just talk to like normal people. I would be able to follow it. I would be far more interested.

[Buck Sexton]

Tomorrow we're going to talk about end of Ukraine war and dogecot to save the federal government's massive expenditures from turning our economy into oblivion. And less conversation about musical per se. But I don't know. I was going to say send us your talk back. Send us your emails. Funny ones will be read on the air. And memes of clay shirtless, playing the flute. Never gets old apparently.