Hour 3 - Clay's Balls Almost a NYT Bestseller

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 – Clay's Balls Almost a NYT Bestseller
Date: November 10, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

Episode Overview

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton return with a deeply opinionated, humorous take on current events, media narratives, public figures, and cultural trends. This hour is a blend of sharp-witted banter, media critique, listener engagement, and a focus on Clay’s new book, “Balls,” which is on the verge of becoming a New York Times bestseller. The hosts tackle everything from Michelle Obama’s public persona and identity politics in sports, to Gavin Newsom’s presidential ambitions, peppered with memorable pop culture references and listener feedback.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Shutdown Wrap-up & Media Narratives

(Starts ~01:36)

• Buck: Opens with the end of the longest government shutdown in history, lambasting Democrats for causing unnecessary anxiety and hardship.

  "The Democrats are trying to say they fought the good fight. Really, they threw a temper tantrum and they made people anxious, frustrated, and made people suffer." (01:36, Buck Sexton)

• Segues to pop culture, mentioning Kim Kardashian’s continued attempts to pass the California bar exam as a story that’s “unimportant, but people will discuss.”

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2. Kim Kardashian’s Bar Exam Attempts & Persistence

(02:40 - 04:08)

• Clay: Praises Kim Kardashian's persistence; compares her to JFK Jr. in terms of repeated bar exam attempts.

  "We should encourage people to try to do hard things... She decided she wanted to try to become a lawyer, and she is attempting to do it." (03:08, Clay Travis)

• Buck: Notes celebrity privilege but still supports the value of persistence:

  "A wise man once said to me, persistence is the key." (02:48, Buck Sexton)

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3. Michelle Obama’s Public Persona, Privilege & Grievance

(04:08 - 14:21)

• Michelle Obama’s comments about needing a glam squad are played and analyzed.
• Buck: Contrasts Michelle's complaints with the immense privilege she holds.

  "I don't know if you could find a more privileged and elitist person on the planet." (05:13, Buck Sexton)

• Clay: Criticizes Obama for lack of gratitude and compares her to the U.S. Women's Soccer Team’s activist stance, characterizing left-wing women as perpetually complaining and hectoring.

  "Michelle Obama might be the person who should give the country more gratitude than anyone that has the least gratitude of anyone in public eye that I can see." (06:34, Clay Travis) "This left wing hectoring, ungrateful baseline bitchiness that is the Democrat party..." (10:27, Clay Travis)

• Historical context about presidential families and media treatment—Clay argues the Obamas’ daughters were treated more fairly by the press than any prior president’s children.

Notable Quote

"Her entire... pinnacle of her academic life as an undergraduate was to write a hundred-page whine about how hard it was to be black at Princeton." (11:43, Buck Sexton)

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4. Identity Politics, Sports, and Clay’s Book “Balls”

(23:06 - 26:40 & 28:32 - 33:47)

• Listener Donna from St. Augustine calls in to praise Clay’s book for its autobiographical insight and laying out how identity politics overtook sports.

  "[The book explains] things I thought I understood in the news but didn’t, understood how the dots connected. So thank you." (23:06, Donna, Caller)

• Clay: Explains the genesis and cultural investigation in “Balls”—the rise of transgender athletes, erosion of meritocracy in sports, and media complicity.

  "They tried to turn sports into identity politics... They tried to take away meritocracy." (23:47, Clay Travis) "For the first time ever, me being a New York Times best-selling author..." (24:34, Clay Travis)

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5. Olympics, Transgender Athletes & Biological Reality

(26:40 - 33:47)

• Buck: Discusses the International Olympic Committee’s difficulties in defining eligibility for trans athletes and the tension between biological reality and activism.

  "This is really what we’ve come to—Protection of the female category..." (27:08, Buck Sexton)

• Both critique the attempts to create “gray areas” for eligibility, highlighting the physical differences and the one-way advantage for trans women in women’s sports.
• Clay: Pointedly notes no prominent successes for trans men in men’s sports, positing it’s about biology, not identity.

  "If biology wasn’t real, there’d be all these chicks deciding they were dudes competing in men’s sports. Why isn’t that happening? Because biology is real." (29:28, Clay Travis)

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6. Gavin Newsom and the 2028 Democratic Nomination

(37:08 - 39:44)

• Brief commentary on California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s open ambition for the presidency; Buck and Clay discuss who might rival him for the Democratic nomination.

  "Gavin Newsom has to be considered at this point in time, a presumptive nominee favorite." (38:35, Clay Travis) "Everybody knows who Gavin Newsom is. And he starts out with a lot of electoral college votes..." (39:01, Buck Sexton)

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7. Listeners, Pop Culture, and Behind-the-Scenes Banter

(39:44 - 42:21)

• Listener “Jack Burton” calls in, referencing “Big Trouble in Little China,” drawing nostalgic laughter and movie banter between the hosts.
• Clay and Buck riff on notable movie truck drivers, including “Large Marge” from “Pee-wee’s Big Adventure,” tying it humorously to cultural conversations about gender and nicknames.
• A listener emails in to say watching Clay walk on the treadmill during the video podcast makes her nauseous, prompting Buck’s deadpan:

  "We're trying to build a YouTube feed, not kill it." (41:48, Buck Sexton)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Michelle Obama is unique among all of the first ladies of different political parties. All she does is whine and talk like, 'Hey, well, I have to have a glam squad or I'm not even gonna travel with my wardrobe people.'” (08:44, Clay Travis)
• "The fanfare around the first family of the Obamas at the time was unlike anything this country has ever. Has ever seen in my lifetime." (20:03, Buck Sexton)
• "When she wasn’t willing to show up for Jimmy Carter’s funeral, to me, it was such a personal slap in the face..." (06:58, Clay Travis)
• “This left wing hectoring, ungrateful baseline bitchiness that is the Democrat party, Buck. I think it’s why men are done with them.” (10:27, Clay Travis)
• “If biology wasn’t real, there’d be all these chicks deciding they were dudes competing in men’s sports. Why isn’t that happening? Because biology is real.” (29:28, Clay Travis)
• Listener Donna: "You definitely have balls. I’m impressed and enjoyed the story." (23:06, Donna)
• “We're trying to build a YouTube feed, not kill it.” (41:48, Buck Sexton)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Government Shutdown, Kim Kardashian & Persistence: 01:36 – 04:08
• Michelle Obama: Privilege & Public Persona: 04:08 – 14:21 & continued discussion 18:26 – 21:13
• Presidential Families in Media / Revisiting Michelle Obama’s Narrative: 12:54 – 21:13
• Sports, Identity Politics & Clay’s Book “Balls”: 23:06 – 26:40
• Transgender Athletes & The Olympics: 26:40 – 33:47
• Gavin Newsom’s Presidential Ambitions: 37:08 – 39:44
• Listener Calls & Pop Culture Banter: 39:44 – 42:21

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Tone & Style

• Blunt, unapologetically opinionated, and humorous in approach.
• Intermixes cultural and political critique with pop-culture commentary and listener engagement.
• Frequent sarcasm, hyperbole, and pointed criticism of left-wing figures.

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For New Listeners

This episode is quintessential Clay & Buck: expect sharp takes, humor, and cultural commentary, especially on the pitfalls of identity politics, the state of sports, high-profile public figures, and the intersection of media/politics. Listeners are pulled in with interactive segments and plenty of irreverent asides.

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Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome everybody. Third hour of Clay and Buck gets going right now. Got a bunch of things I want to talk to you about. Obviously the shutdown is coming to an end. Longest shutdown in our history and the Democrats are trying to say they fought the good fight. Really. They threw a temper tantrum and they made people anxious, frustrated and made people suffer. Just because Democrats like to do those things, they did not actually achieve their main end. But we'll discuss that a bit more coming up. We've also got the very, very important news that Claire reminded me of that Kim Kardashian, despite trying, did not pass the California Bar exam. I believe she's tried a few times at this point but has not, has not yet passed it. So we're hoping we're pulling for Kim to pass the bar exam. I think she. Isn't she worth a billion dollars? So this really is just like a personal mountain that she is trying to climb.

[Clay Travis]

I will get into this. But, yes, she is. She definitely does not need the money that might come from practicing law in any way.

[Buck Sexton]

So that's not obviously an important story, but it's one of those stories that people are going to be talking about. So I just thought I would let you know she has failed the bar exam three times already, but she's going to keep going. And you know what, Clay? A wise man once said to me, persistence is the key. Persistence is the key. Very, very important.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of people are making fun of her. And I'll just say this. I think we should encourage people to try to do hard things. And it would be very easy, to your point, Buck, when you become a billionaire, to just say, hey, I've got everything I could possibly want. I'm not going to try to push myself any further. And she decided she wanted to try to become a lawyer, and she is attempting to do it. I would point out, who was it that failed the bar a ton of times? JFK Jr. I think, if I remember correctly.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, no one thought that JFK Jr. Was going to be a rocket scientist, so that's not surprising.

[Clay Travis]

From what I mean, he went straight to law school. I think they let him into Columbia or Harvard or wherever the heck they did.

[Buck Sexton]

Completely irrelevant. They let him in because of his last name.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

He could be illiterate as a Kennedy and they would have let him into Harvard Law School, and he continues to fail.

[Clay Travis]

So, anyway, well, I do think everybody's trying to poke fun at her, but I give her credit for being willing to try to do something super hard when she could just chill and have an easy life.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's. I think it's important to always try to work on yourself and to be willing to embrace the humility that must come with that. So I'm actually with you. I'm far less. I'm not, you know, oh, my gosh, how could you fill the bar exam? Good for Kim Kardashian for trying and hopefully at some point she'll pass. On the other side of the gratitude scale. Yes. On the other side of that scale, we have the former first lady, Michelle Obama, who has a remarkable talent for seeming just perpetually ungrateful and full of grievance, which for somebody who has. Who was the first lady for eight years, I don't even know how many magazine covers has her pick of which billionaires? $300 million yacht she chooses to vacation with her daughters on? I don't know if you could find all in a more privileged and elitist person on the planet. It would be very hard, right? Because, you know, yeah, there's like, like Elon Musk is worth a ton of money, but Elon Musk is like sleeping on the floor of the Tesla factory building all this stuff. Big cost to his personal life. Some people hate him, obviously, because he allied with Trump. Michelle Obama, everywhere she goes, she is worshiped, yes, worshiped by elite society. And yet when she talks about things like, for example, how she needed to have a celebrity style glam team when she was in the White House, this is how she speaks of it. Play eight.

[Michelle Obama (clip)]

I didn't really have that choice as first lady. Right. Every day, every time I was up, as we called it, I was up for the public. And the days were long. So as you mentioned, to save time, yes, you know, I know having a glam team, a trifecta, it feels like a luxury, but it was a time, time necessity. There is absolutely no way that I would be able to do my hair and makeup and have clothes ready that fit, you know, because where is the woman that can live off the rack?

[Buck Sexton]

I know a lot of women who live off the rack, Clay. I know a lot, actually.

[Clay Travis]

Michelle Obama might be the person who should give the country more gratitude than anyone that has the least gratitude of anyone in public eye that I can see. And every time she speaks, I like her less. And I don't think I'm unique in that. She has been coddled, she's been protected. She has been told that she is incredibly accomplished and a uniquely transcendent figure, such that she decided that she needed to start her own podcast. I actually feel sorry for Barack Obama for having to deal with her. And let me, Let me explain why that is. I went off. I might have gone off more on this than almost anybody in the country. When she wasn't willing to show up for Jimmy Carter's funeral, to me, it was such a personal slap in the face to every American. Look, I understand you don't want to always have to go to public events, but when you run for President of the United States or when you are married to the President of the United States, there are certain moments that demand to me that you show up and show the least semblance of respect for the country that you could. Hillary Clinton was at the funeral for Jimmy Carter. The Bushes were at the funeral for Jimmy Carter. Certainly Trump and Melania were there. It doesn't take a lot to be willing to give a few hours of your time to get on a private jet and fly somewhere, get off, be respectful for a couple of hours. She didn't show up for the inauguration of Trump. Barack Obama did. I give him credit for that. She doesn't seem like a person that would be fun to spend time with, Buck. And I just, I, I look at this and instead of saying, hey, boy, you know, I'm from, I think, the south side of Chicago, if I'm not mistaken. I grew up and I got to be the first lady of the United States. I married the president. What is an incredible story that is that you can be a kid from the south side of Chicago and, and you can grow up to do this. Right? I mean, you know who's actually leaned into that, because I think he's also from the south side of Chicago. The Pope. The American Pope, Leo. He's talked. I've seen quite a lot about how amazing it is that a kid who grew up on the south side of Chicago could ascend to become the Pope. I just, every time Michelle Obama speaks, I think to myself, what a. Be careful here. You might need to turn down the radio. What a bitch. What an ungrateful. Michelle Obama is unique among all of the first ladies of different political parties. All she does is whine and talk like, hey, well, I have to have a glam squad or I'm not even gonna travel with my, with my wardrobe people. Oh, I don't, I don't wear a lot of things off the rack. I wear everything off the rack. I know a lot of women that wear things off the rack. Now you can come after me because I shouldn't. Because you should say, oh, you should have that better tailored. Oh, why do your pants drag? Why are your sleeves too long? Those are criticisms. The answer is, because I just buy things off the rack and I'm not a diva. And I just, I don't get it. I don't get it. Every time she speaks Buck, I just think to myself, boy, she had an opportunity. She reminds me of the US Women's soccer team. I think there's a lot of this. I don't think it's just unique to her. For left wing people. Do you remember when Megan Rapinoe, they were playing in the World cup and she just chose that opportunity to take shots at President Trump, said, I'm not going to go to the White House. I'm not going to visit. And then she insulted him with expletives. And I'm thinking to myself, you are on the national stage for young women everywhere around the world who aspire to grow up and be great soccer players like you. How about a scintilla of gratitude for the fact that you have this opportunity. And this left wing, and I think it's primarily women, honestly, which is the foundation of the Democrat party. This left wing hectoring, ungrateful baseline bitchiness that is the Democrat party buck. I think it's why men are done with them. Every man out there is like, yeah, I've had to deal with that in my life. It's like every single Democrat woman has got her finger out and she's lecturing you all day long. And I think a lot of women out there listening to us right now are nodding along. It's like the whole party is just the most annoying person at your job who's lecturing you about something that she doesn't like. That really isn't anything wrong at all.

[Buck Sexton]

Nothing has changed, by the way, in the apparent attitude that Michelle Obama, formerly Michelle Robinson, has. You can easily go find her Princeton thesis, which I read back in the.

[Clay Travis]

You told me it was just atrocious administration. It is atrocious.

[Buck Sexton]

It is absolutely brutal reading in terms of. You're like, what is this? But it's Princeton educated blacks and the black community is. Was her. Was her thesis. Does anyone want to guess what it's about? The isolation and the feelings of subtle racism you deal with as a black student at Princeton. She wrote her thesis on this. Her, her entire. Like her. The. The peak, the pinnacle of her academic life as an undergraduate was to write a hundred page wine about how hard it was to be black at Princeton. Which, by the way, this was in the heyday of affirmative action. She probably got about 300 points worth of assistance on in terms of SAT comparison, at least 200 plus points to get into Princeton.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. So the reason she could whine about being black at Princeton is because she was black at Princeton.

[Buck Sexton]

And being black and applying to Princeton at that time was a particular privilege in the admissions process. So, yes, that is the great irony of this. Michelle Obama got into Princeton in large part because she was a black woman. And then she wrote a thesis about how hard it was to be a black woman at Princeton. And that kind of sums up the attitude.

[Clay Travis]

I also think it sums up the legacy media in general. The protect, you see, the. I don't know that we played this clip. I think it was last week it was going viral. She was saying something like, oh, our family never got the grace that other families got. And I saw that clip. Maybe we can grab it before we finish the hour. And I'm sorry, Buck, do you remember, as I do, the Bush daughters getting destroyed by national media for relatively minor teenage related infractions as if they were modern day, you know, felons of a, of an enormous magnitude? They got treated basically the same as Hunter. Uh, and by the way, how about the Bidens? Now they did a lot of. But Hunter and all the other Biden kids got incredible negative media attention. And Chelsea back in the day, I don't remember everybody bending over backwards to treat Chelsea really well. And so you look at all the other kids, I would say that the Obamas and their daughters got treated more fairly than any children of the president have, regardless of political party in my whole life. And we know we've had all these guys on the program. Do you think the Trumps have been treated fairly like the kids? I'm not talking about Trump himself. They would put them in prison if they could for sure. And they haven't done anything wrong.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, all true. No. The Democrats tried to be clear. They would. It's not just they would desire to put Trump family members in prison. They made moves to do so.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, totally. People are going to say, oh, well, Hunter, yeah, hunter committed about 100 felonies on his laptop. If you just click and went and looked through any of Hunter's laptop, he got insanely favorable treatment.

[Buck Sexton]

I guess maybe it was all just Russian disinformation, that story. That's a joke, everybody.

[Clay Travis]

That's a joke.

[Buck Sexton]

Calm down, Calm down. Go ahead, Clay.

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[Clay Travis]

We were talking about Michelle Obama. Maybe should be showing more gratitude than almost anyone in America. I mean her family is now worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Her husband was president twice. Maybe just talk about how amazing it is that the country allowed that to happen and be grateful and be willing to sometimes show up for public events, even if it sometimes does not fit your Hawaiian beach vacation or your Martha's Vineyard beach vacation. Maybe possibly just show a little bit of sacrifice. No, we don't get that. Instead, we get Michelle Obama falsely. I just laid out all the different kids of presidents and the way those families were treated, arguing we weren't given that same grace that other people got. Who does she think she is, crazy? Listen, you said we were all too.

[Jim / Podcast Host]

Aware that as a first black couple, we couldn't afford any missteps.

[Michelle Obama (clip)]

Yeah.

[Jim / Podcast Host]

And you also say as a black woman, I was under a particularly white hot glare. Did you feel that?

[Michelle Obama (clip)]

For sure. You can't afford to get anything wrong because you didn't get the. At least until the country came to know us. We didn't get the grace that I think some other families have gotten.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's the opposite of reality.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that people were more excited. And there was. And I was. Just to be clear, I was living in D.C. at the time. I was very much in. I might have even been invited. I was a single guy, okay. To some Obama inauguration parties that were happening. I went as a plus one. I was there. I'm just saying.

[Clay Travis]

Wow, you went to the Obama inauguration parties? Just.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, no, no, not the party. There were parties in D.C. and I was invited just because I was a suave and handsome guy. Some of the ladies were like, you got to come with me to this party. Look, I'm not going to say that I don't like a good party. My point is merely the fanfare around the first family of the Obamas at the time was unlike anything this country has ever. Has ever seen in my lifetime.

[Clay Travis]

I think you hit on what is particularly discordant about this. It's not that she was treated unfairly. It's that the Obamas were treated more fairly. They were given more grace than probably any presidential family in history because everyone was treating them as if they were godlike in the media. I mean, even now, Michelle Obama's overall favorability is high because most people don't pay attention to what she actually says. They just like the first lady because the first lady is supposed to be above politics. But again, I just ran through all the kids of the president since the. Since we started, basically since like 1992. I would argue Sasha and Malia Obama were more fairly treated than any of them.

[Buck Sexton]

More. I mean, they, they were the media. If you. And by the way. I agree with the you, you know, kids under 18 that are a part of a, you know, first family, totally off limits. And even the kids, if they're not involved in the public eye in a real way, shouldn't be anyway. But they were all worshiped. And Michelle Obama is completely rewriting history. No surprise. Look, the first time you hear the statistic, it's unsettling, but you got to know it, it's true. Every 30 seconds on average there's a burglary in America. So no matter where you are across the country, it can happen. And you got to be ready to defend yourself and your family. This is where Sabre comes in. The best non lethal self protection tools on the market. Sabre makes them. For over 50 years, this family owned and operated company has been providing thousands upon thousands of Americans with the best non lethal self protection tools. The best pepper gels, pepper sprays, pepper projectile launchers, home alarms, door bars, all kinds of stuff. Sabers, the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. You'll save 15% when you go to Sabre. Radio.com today. That's s a b r e radio.com or call 844-824 safe. That number is 844-824 safe. Let's take some talkbacks calls and dive into some more with all of you. We can start it with I just, I just had it up a second ago. But all the talkbacks. Let's start with AA A balls reader. Let's hear, let's hear from Donna St. Augustine. She was at the beginning of the shutdown there were two goals, both of which I support. One was. No, no, I don't know what that was. Talk back. AA Donna in St. Augustine, Florida. She's a Balls fan and we wanted to hear from Donna.

[Donna St. Augustine (Caller)]

I've been reading the book Balls by Clay Travis. I'm actually really enjoying it. Enjoyed the early part of the story, your early career and the challenges and ups and downs. You definitely have balls. I'm impressed and enjoyed the story. I'm also enjoying things I thought I understood in the news but didn't understood how the dots connected. So thank you.

[Buck Sexton]

So Clay, is the book semi auto autobiographical? I have, I did buy my copy and I know a guy who could probably get me a free one. But I bought my copy and I have not yet had the chance to dive into it, but I will. So tell me, give me a little, little bit of a preview here. There's some autobiographical components.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, I mean how do you end up doing what we do? I Think if you trace the Trump era, one of the things that I really examined in the book, and I think historically is going to matter, is how did we lose our way in sports in particular, but also culture to the extent where we ended up. And congratulations, the Olympics now are coming out and saying that they're going to ban men who identify as women. But how did we create a landscape where the book opens with Leah Thomas winning a man winning a women's NCAA swimming championship in 2022. How did that happen? It wasn't overnight. It was gradual. They tried to, and this is one reason I'm talking to you, Buck, today and why I've been talking to everybody for the past several years. They tried to turn sports into identity politics. They tried to strip away the meritocracy and they tried to take away that from sports. Best man or best woman wins. And how did that happen? How did we end up with a man winning a women's championship? So the book kind of gets into the history of that and traces the media evolution. And let me say this, you guys have bought this thing to such an extent that we are on the precipice of, for the first time ever, me being a New York Times best selling author. So they have, they have flagged the book and it's going to be like right on the border of whether we end up on the Times list. Now look, we've been the last book I wrote was a Wall Street Journal, bestseller, Publishers Weekly, USA Today list, all of those things. But the Times list is what gets a book in the front of a bookstore. It's what gets people maybe to engage with a book that they otherwise wouldn't. So I have a lot of immense gratitude. Obviously, a lot of people bought signed copies. So far, so good. It's been six days. So. But you guys have bought thousands and thousands of copies. And you know what else a lot of you have bought? The audiobook. And Buck, I'm telling you, on your Christmas break, when you go into that studio and you start recording it, you're going to be thankful for anybody who buys the audiobook because recording the book yourself is an incredible grind of an effort, particularly because you're just in a room by yourself and every word they're fixing, they're making sure that you read it correctly. And so to the extent you want more from me, there is six, over six hours of me reading every word of this book. And I'm betting it'll take you. It takes about 15 hours probably to record six.

[Buck Sexton]

So a long time that sounds like a lot of fun. Now we have this from Reuters this morning, Clay. No decision yet on transgender athletes Games eligibility. IOC, International Olympic Committee says, but they are moving to tighten eligibility criteria in a shift in sentiment that the IOC appears increasingly willing to get on board with. Did a U turn in June. I'm reading again from the Reuters report here. Deciding to take the lead in setting eligibility criteria for participation of transgender athletes, Coventry set up the Protection of the Female Category working group. This is really what we've come to, Protection of the female category made up of experts as well as representatives. An update. So what I'm seeing here, which is interesting, is that they know that this is going to be preposterous and destroy the interest and love of the Olympics, which the Olympics has been around for like 3,000 years. I think something like that. I think it's 800 BC around there. You had the first Olympics in ancient Greece. So it's been a long time this thing's been going on. Right. It's actually one of our oldest cultural traditions that I'm aware of. And they realize that some 300 pound guy, that'd be very big, some 200 pound guy setting the woman's record in shot put while he's like, you know, curling his beard is probably going to hurt our sense as to how fair this is. And yet now they're starting to say, well, what about women who have the SRY gene and the Y chromosome? I want to be very clear, the trans movement has explicitly fought against trans identification having anything to do with chromosomes or anything else.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

But now with the Olympics, they're trying to play this game of, oh, well, what about people that have this very rare mutation? We'll say, hold on a second, that's not when Trump banned men playing in women's sports. It's dudes who say they're women. That's what everyone's really talking about. Because if you make it about those chromosomes, the dudes who say they're women don't count. So they're trying to have it. It looks to me a little bit like they're trying to play both sides of this.

[Clay Travis]

Well, also, I don't think you can divorce from this decision the fact that the Olympics are taking place, the Summer Olympics, which is where this becomes, at least so far, the biggest issue in la. So Trump has already come out and said, hey, this idea of men competing in women's sports, Buck, did you see the power lifter? I mean, this dude is, I mean it's a monster dude. It's like the mountain from Game of Thrones suddenly deciding to identify as a chick. Isn't it interesting that any athlete that is pretending that he is female, we can see a picture and pick out who the dude is? I mean, it's difficult at all, right? You see it, and I shared that video with you recently of the volleyball player. The guy looks like Kobe Bryant soaring through the air to spike the volleyball. Women's volleyball nets are lower. Women's basketballs are smaller. The. The entire physics of the sport is very often different. I can't believe that this is where we are, that this is considered a victory. Remember, it was only a couple of years ago that the dude boxer, two potential dude boxers, won women's gold medals. And now they won't take the gender test and they don't qualify because. And people say, well, this is. This is really unfortunate because it invades their privacy. It's a cheek swab. A cheek swab is how they do genetic analysis to determine what your chromosomal breakdown is. Now, some of these guys, we don't need cheek swabs. We could have crocodile done D tests, but cheek swab, it's not like you're having to disrobe or there's some doctor, like, probing your physical body. They just cheek swab you and you either are or not qualified to be a woman. And remember, this is only for men who identify as women. If biology wasn't real, there'd be all these chicks deciding they were dudes competing in the Olympics and competing in men's sports. Why isn't that happening? Because biology is real. And those women who identify as men are nowhere near big, strong, or fast enough to compete.

[Buck Sexton]

Isn't that interesting that you never have a female to male transition who automatically gets a gold medal is almost like we're proving the experiment in reverse. Right? We all know what's going on here, but I've always thought that this is what would happen. Is that the moment that they're really cornered on this issue, which is that they're just cornered by reality, they'll start to say, well, what about people who are intersex or have this rare chromosomal. They'll say, what about the science? Okay, Are we talking about that or are we? And even still, I might add, there's a. A science argument. If you have male chromosomes and the physical advantages of male testosterone, you should only be able to compete against men. It's actually not that complicated. Yes, right. And so there's that. But what they're trying to do is create a gray area here so that then they can expand that gray area to include macho man, Randy Savage, so to speak. Being like, I'm not here to talk about my transition.

[Clay Travis]

That is the south park win that ended up being reality. And buck, here is an easy way to kind of sum it up. Men just have not been willing to go for this. Think about this for a minute. They just put, you know, eight guys or whatever it was on the COVID of Glamour magazine. There have been a bunch of men identifying as women who have become woman of the year in the first year. They're women. I mean, what an insult to women that is. There isn't. I would argue maybe one of you can come up with one. I don't think there is a single woman who has decided to identify as a man that has in any way been more successful or extremely accepted by the male community. We're just saying, hey, we don't play this game. No woman who becomes a man in the first year is the man of the year. Only person I can hardly even think about is the Ellen Page. And she basically destroyed her acting career. She was actually a kind of a cute, successful actress. Remember her from back in the day? She had several different movies and then decided that actually, my name's Elliot Page and I'm a dude. And basically vanished to a large extent. If she had stayed Ellie, Ellen Page probably has another 20 years of Hollywood success, instead becomes a dude, and people are like, yeah, whatever. I'm not really going to pay attention to that anymore.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Closing up shop Monday edition of the program. Thanks to all of you for hanging out with us. Our good buddy Gavin Newsom is weighing in already not even hiding it anymore. Buck he says that his incumbent upon him that he needs to run for President of the United States. Of course. Play cut 19 this is the Election.

[Gavin Newsom (clip)]

Rigging Response act this was not a fight we chose. This is a fight we felt was important to fight. Proposition 50 was never on, on the docket was not part of the agenda. For me, though it goes back further, goes back to the federalization of the National Guard. And I want to remind folks, it's not 2 or 300 in California was 4000 National Guard were federalized. 700 active duty Marines were not sent overseas. They were sent to the second largest city in the United States of America.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, and it's, it's that Gavin Newsom is being called to it, Buck. It's not that he wants to be president. It's that he has no other obligation or responsibility to the nation. That's what's motivating all of this.

[Buck Sexton]

We got to talk to Uncle Bill on this Thursday because I saw him on, on Bill Maher and he said Gavin Newsom has no shot. Now, I'd like to agree with that. I don't think that that's the way this is going to play out. We'll, we'll, oh, oh, oh, Uncle Bill.

[Clay Travis]

Write about a lot. He's wrong on this. I think that Gavin Newsom has to be considered at this point in time a presumptive nominee favorite. Doesn't mean that he's going to be the nominee. Lots can change between now and, and 2027 and 2028 when that decision is made. But I don't even know who you would put as a close second right now when it comes to who's most likely to be the nominee.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I, I don't see anybody else who's going to be able to compete with them. It was interesting because it's mirrored the discussion they had. Cause I saw some clips of, of Bill on with, well, Bill O'Reilly on with Bill Maher. And they were saying, I, I think he said, Wes Moore, you got a lot of work to do and not that much time to make Americans know who Wes Moore actually is. And I don't see it. Everybody knows who Gavin Newsom is. And he starts out with a lot of Electoral college votes in his back pocket with California and a huge donor network and all the rest of it. Let's get to some of these talkbacks and VIPs, I might add. Clay, I like this one. BB podcast listener. Steve, let's hear what he has to say.

[Jack Burton (Caller)]

Hey, Buck, this is just because you mentioned big trouble in Little China. This is Jack Burton coming at you on a dark and stormy night from the Pork Chop Express. I'll tell you, when the Democrats shut Down the government and the heavens shake so hard that Nancy Pelosi's face actually moves. I just tell him, I listen to Clay and Buck. Give me your best shot, punk.

[Buck Sexton]

Very well done. And I would just say that of all the depictions of a. Of a. Of a trucker on radio, Jack Burton in Big Trouble in Little China is one of my favorites. And that is a bizarre movie. It is a completely bizarre movie that I still think is a lot of fun to watch.

[Clay Travis]

I'm going to go off the radar for great depictions of truckers in movies. Pee Wee Herman. Remember the scary woman truck driver that terrifies Peewee Herman?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I do not.

[Clay Travis]

That is. Is it Marge? I think. Yeah. Large Marge on the. You don't remember Large Mars back in the day on the Peewee Herman?

[Buck Sexton]

Producer Mike just jumped in with that. Like, he watched it last night simultaneously. Yeah, I. I'm at a loss here. I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

Large Marge was an iconic truck driver back in the day. If you were watching the. The Peewee Herman show, we need a.

[Buck Sexton]

We need one of these, you know, trans power lifters to be called Large March. Just so everybody knows.

[Clay Travis]

That is actually a great nickname for one of the power lifters. This is also, by the way, we. It's reminding me that as we start to put up the video version of the program, we would encourage you to go subscribe at YouTube being able to put in photos like this where we talk about large margin. Somebody on the team is able to just, boom, remind everybody. I think there's a lot of you out there remembering that very scary scene from Pee Wee Herman.

[Buck Sexton]

VIP email from Kathy on the treadmill. Clay, are you kidding me? You look like an 8 year old who has to go to the bathroom. This is ridiculous. I'm getting nauseous watching you bobbing and weaving.

[Clay Travis]

It is actually.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, we're gonna have to talk about this.

[Clay Travis]

It is.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm getting nauseous too, and I have to look at you for three hours. So we're gonna have to figure something out.

[Clay Travis]

Think about my health. Think about all of the calories that I'm burning.

[Buck Sexton]

You've burned like 30 calories, buddy.

[Clay Travis]

I walked like four miles today.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Anyway, we're trying to build a YouTube feed, not. Not kill it. So we'll discuss. What's her name? Kathy. Not a fan, guys. We'll have a great show for you tomorrow. Looking forward to it. And we will certainly talk to you then. And Large Marge sends her regards.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, Travis, and Buck Sexton on the.

[Buck Sexton]

Front lines of trut.

[Jim / Podcast Host]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Hi.

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