Hour 3 - Crazy Unmarried White Women

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 - Crazy Unmarried White Women
Date: January 6, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview:
In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton blend humor and political commentary as they discuss hot topics including the transformation of major U.S. cities due to progressive leadership, the influence of highly educated, unmarried white women on Democratic Party policy, and ongoing issues surrounding state governance and welfare fraud. The episode also covers broader cultural trends, the impacts of remote work post-COVID, and features a guest appearance by Congressman Chip Roy to discuss border security, Venezuela, and fraud investigation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Changing Landscape of American Cities (01:36–06:30)

• Clay and Buck riff on state identity and the prospect of “trading” underperforming states.
  • Joking references to giving away New Mexico (01:36).
  • Discussion on the decline of New York City and the financial ascension of Miami and South Florida.
  • Cites venture capitalist David Sacks’ prediction that Miami could become the country’s financial capital.
    • “Miami’s gonna replace New York City as the financial capital of the United States.”—Clay Travis (03:33)
• COVID legacy and mobility of the wealthy.
  • The pandemic taught white-collar professionals they could work anywhere, leading to mass relocations from cities like NYC and LA to Texas, Tennessee, and Florida for better living conditions (04:28).
  • Rising taxes on the rich in blue states could accelerate this exodus.

2. “Mamdaniism” and the Radicalization of Policy in New York (06:30–09:15)

• Buck and Clay introduce “Mamdaniism,” referencing NY lawmaker Zohran Mamdani and his radical circle.
  • Play a clip from Sia Weaver (Mamdani’s tenant director) advocating collectivization of property ownership.
    • “Transitioning to treating [property] as a collective good…will require that we think about it differently.”—Sia Weaver [07:44]
  • Buck pokes fun at her “up-talking” and warns against giving power to such activists.

3. Critique of the Democrat Party Base: “Crazy Unmarried White Women” (09:15–14:30)

• Clay’s provocative argument: Highly educated, unmarried white women are the “most destructive force in America today.”
  • Claims this demographic drives radical Democratic policy, referencing cultural touchstones like Sex in the City and equates destructive political choices with poor lifestyle choices.
    • “Overwhelmingly the most destructive force in America today is white women. Left wing and frankly, unmarried, white, married…”—Clay Travis (10:12)
  • Buck broadens the point: “It’s just unmarried single women…particularly like late 30s, up until their fif— That’s the demo. It’s across all races…” (11:37)
  • Clay responds that black women are the most loyal Democrat voters but it’s highly educated, unmarried white women driving policy (12:21–12:37).
• Pop culture tie-in:
  • Sex in the City used as allegory for deluded self-destructive choices.
    • “That show led women off a cliff…enormously destructive to a generation of women.”—Buck (13:33)
• Theme of accountability:
  • The left offers a “consequence-free reality,” discouraging rational, self-correcting choices (14:30–14:48).

4. “Mamdaniism” Continued: Tickets for All! (18:45–20:42)

• Clip: Mamdani wants affordable World Cup tickets for all New Yorkers.
  • Buck mocks the unrealistic “commie” approach, linking progressive policy to economic ignorance.
    • “He seems to have no understanding…It’s expensive because more people want to go than they can fit in the seat.”—Buck (20:25)
  • Clay explains how market pricing (StubHub, SeatGeek) has changed event access.

5. Tim Walz & Shifting Rhetoric Around Accountability (22:03–24:33)

• MN Gov. Tim Walz press conference on fraud, accountability, and race.
  • Walz defends himself, refusing to resign:
    • “You can make all your requests for me to resign—over my dead body will that happen.”—Tim Walz (22:20)
  • Clay argues appeals to racism now “fall flat” and the Overton window has shifted, partly thanks to social media and independent journalism.

6. Interview: Congressman Chip Roy (25:19–37:11)

• Focus on:
  • State and federal investigations into welfare fraud in Minnesota, and concern about similar scams in CA and TX.
  • Need for tighter Medicaid requirements and rooting out fraud (“hundreds of billions” lost).
  • Biden’s handling of Venezuela and the national interest in stabilizing oil supplies without falling into a nation-building quagmire (27:47–31:05).
    • “The President showed great leadership engaging in Venezuela…This is not unprecedented.”—Chip Roy (27:47)
  • The collapse of legacy media, replaced by independent investigators (like a “23-year-old on YouTube”) uncovering fraud and changing careers—“seek truth wherever it may lead.”
  • Push for real prosecution and accountability for public officials engaged in fraud: “Heads need to roll…that tweet got 35 million views…”—Chip Roy (34:04)
• Border security and codifying Trump-era policies:
  • Chip calls for the codification of Trump’s border policies to prevent reversal under future Democratic presidents (35:49).

7. Show Culture: “Easter Eggs” and Fan Engagement (38:43–39:42)

• Clay and Buck revel in listeners catching their pop culture references, especially “Samsonite” from Dumb and Dumber.
  • Montage of listener messages highlighting the connection.
  • Plans to make hidden references (“Easter eggs”) a show tradition.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NYC’s decline and Miami’s rise:

  • “Miami’s gonna replace New York City as the financial capital of the United States.”—Clay Travis, (03:33)
  • “New York City is going to sink beneath the waters, and the rest of us are going to benefit from your destruction.”—Clay Travis, (06:16)

• On Democratic Party and “crazy unmarried white women”:

  • “Overwhelmingly the most destructive force in America today is white women...unmarried, white, married.”—Clay Travis, (10:12)
  • “Unmarried white women is really the demographic you’re talking about, buddy.”—Buck Sexton, (10:43)
  • “They are driving basically the bus off the side of a cliff.”—Clay Travis, (12:37)

• On leftist collectivism:

  • “He wanted to ‘replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism’…embrace New York City with the warmth of collectivism and smother it with a pillow when he does.”—Buck Sexton, (18:45)

• On the shifting power of independent investigators:

  • “A 23-year-old on YouTube...did his own investigation into fraud in Minnesota, and I think effectively ended Tim Walz’s career.”—Clay Travis, (31:05)
  • “Seek truth wherever it may lead. That’s the goal.”—Congressman Chip Roy, (32:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Starting Time | |-----------------------------------------------|:-------------:| | Joking about trading states/New Mexico | 01:36 | | NYC decline, Miami’s rise, COVID migration | 02:42 | | “Mamdaniism” and collectivist property talk | 06:30 | | Critique of Democratic Party base | 09:15 | | Buck & Clay on “Sex in the City,” women & policy | 13:33 | | Mamdani: World Cup ticket affordability clip | 18:45 | | Tim Walz press conference and race rhetoric | 22:03 | | Interview: Congressman Chip Roy | 25:19 | | Fraud investigation, collapse of legacy media | 31:05 | | Accountability and prosecutions for fraud | 34:04 | | Border security, codification of policies | 35:49 | | Listener montage: “Dumb and Dumber” reference | 38:43 |

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Tone and Style

• Conversation is fast-paced, brash, and humorous: the hosts openly jab at political rivals and tease each other.
• Frequent use of pop culture references and sarcasm.
• Willingness to tackle provocative topics, especially when critiquing the left or discussing cultural trends.
• Listener engagement is encouraged and celebrated.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers a quintessential sample of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show’s style—irreverent, highly opinionated, and deeply skeptical of left-wing policy. The hosts combine current events analysis with cultural critique, emphasize themes of accountability and independent thought, and foster engagement with playful inside jokes and references. Notably, their criticisms of progressive activism, the shifting fortunes of American cities, and culture-war dynamics dominate the discussion, making this a charged and provocative listen.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I have gone to war with the state of New Mexico unexpectedly today. I hope that all of you living in I don't even know what is New Mexico, the frontier state.

[Buck Sexton]

So don't, don't dig me into this hole with you. Don't start asking me New Mexico trivia. So I have to take the incoming on this one.

[Clay Travis]

I want to say something nice about New Mexico. One of my college roommates lives there and I've been to Albuquerque and what I remember is that they have a lot of honey that they put on burritos and that sounds like something that doesn't make a lot of sense but it actually tastes very good. So I would miss the honey on the burritos if we let New Mexico go back to Mexico and if we ended up with better states instead. So that is the land of Enchantment is what New Mexico is. I thought it was the, the frontier state. That's Alaska, I guess. But we are having a lot of fun. Venezuela Talk. Tim Walls talk.

[Buck Sexton]

I know Tim Wall's talk is always great and fantastic. Do you, can we. Since we're already talking about states that you want to give away, you are willing to trade. Trade away, Trade away.

[Clay Travis]

Not giving, not giveaway. I want something better in exchange for them. But I'm willing to barter them, trade them.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, what are we trading for New York City being destroyed by Mamdani? Just the knowledge that communism never works.

[Clay Travis]

We're going to, we're going to have a bigger House majority and maybe add a couple of Senate seats. So it makes me sad that all of you in, you know, New York City, just New York City. I mean I bet Long Island's going to be nicer. I bet Westchester is going to be nicer. But those of you, maybe Staten island, because it's protected and has its own island, maybe it will be okay. But Manhattan in particular, Brooklyn, Queens, all of you are done. I'm sorry. You know, you just sink beneath the, the, the, the, the waves like Atlantis and the rest of the country just goes right on. I saw where, who was it? David Sachs came out and said Miami's gonna replace New York City as the financial capital of the United States. Did you see that prediction from him?

[Buck Sexton]

The idea that is. Yeah, the idea that's out there now is that South Florida, it's really Miami and the, the 95 corridor up to Palm beach and that area, West Palm, Palm beach and on down is going to become a major global financial hub.

[Clay Travis]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

That there will be a move also of these California billionaires to Texas.

[New Yorker Caller]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

For the tech.

[Clay Travis]

I think he's right.

[Buck Sexton]

There is some momentum behind both of those things. This is already going on in some ways.

[Clay Travis]

So yeah, I think that. Look, I do believe that one of the biggest legacies of COVID is going to be that a lot of people became aware that they could live anywhere in the country and indeed all over the world. And, and they would not actually lose the ability to do their job at a high level. And so if you have made that risk taking test that you would never have tried on your own. Right. If you make $1 million a year and you are a super successful New York City investment banker, you would have never said, hey, let me see if I can still do my job just as well. I'm going to risk it, move to Miami. I'm going to move to Houston, or I'm going to move to Nashville, where I live. A lot of those guys did it, and now they're looking around and they're saying, why would I pay 14% in state income taxes? Much like, buck yourself, if you can do your job just as well. And oh, by the way, also live potentially in a more hospitable environment to raise a family. As I think most people would say, hey, Texas, Tennessee, Florida. Does that feel like a better place to raise a family to a lot of people than New York City or LA or Chicago? I think a lot of people are saying yes, and they're moving. And so I do think culturally, when David Sack said that kind of made me raise my eyebrows a little bit. And I'm not 100% sold on the idea necessarily, but, man, every time I come down to see you in Miami, the number of buildings going up. It is extraordinary to see the amount of building that is going on in South Florida and the property, what people are paying to live in South Florida now, the amount of wealth that is relocating. And then I think what you're going to see is the state of New York and California and Illinois, as they lose some of those rich residents, they're going to have to raise taxes, and that's going to accelerate the departure of other people. And so I think the end result is going to be that much like Atlantis, New York City is going to sink beneath the waters, and the rest of us are going to benefit from your destruction.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I'm not going to sit here downing mint juleps, okay? Allah, Mr. Tennessee Clay Travis over there. While New York just slips into New York harbor and while Manhattan disappears, I'm going to help you fight. Fight the madness that is Mamdanism, which has already showed up in all kinds of ways here. Let's. Let's start with this one, Clay. This is a flashback. Mamdani's tenant director is someone named, I think, Sia Weaver. I don't know. I guess that's how you say her first name here.

[Clay Travis]

I think this is super important we should mention this, because this always comes up. It's not just Mom, Donnie. It's who he puts into so many of these positions, and he's picking a lot of crazy people.

[Buck Sexton]

He's building a wacko brigade around him, which is a really, really bad sign of what's going to be happening here. Here is. This is a flashback in this video to Mamdani's tenant director. I want just listen to the words she uses when she's talking about people being able to own and rent homes in New York. Play 19.

[Sia Weaver]

I think the reality is, is that for centuries we've really treated property as an individualized good and not a collective good. And we are going to. Transitioning to treating it as a collective good and towards a model of shared equity will require that we think about it differently. And it will mean that families, especially white families, but some POC families who are homeowners as well, are going to have a different relationship to property than the one that we currently have.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so first off, before we dive into the insanity here, ironclad rule. You cannot give anyone authority in anything. Who does this up talking thing? Who does this thing where she starts talking up at the end of sentences like it was a collective good and now we're going to treat it like it's. Or it was, you know, you know what I'm saying? That's always a huge. That's a huge red flag. You don't want to listen to anybody about anything important. Who does the uptalk thing at the end of sentences? I'm just telling you it's true. You don't want this person operating on your heart. You don't want them collecting, you know, rent. You don't want them doing anything of any importance for you. That's part one, part two. Notice that he has to just be like, yeah, we're just going to hurt white families more because, you know, private property rights aren't really a thing. This is how these lunatics speak behind closed doors. And they're not supposed to be able to fool enough people to have any political power. But Mamdani, did you asked the question.

[Clay Travis]

Which I think is really good one. What if Democrats are just wrong about everything? It's not just Democrats, though. It's the base of the Democrat party that is driving all of this insanity. And do you know who the base of the Democrat party is? White women. White women are highly educated. White women have bought into everything that is wrong in America and they aggressively put in place policies that are utterly wrong on all fronts. I just, I look at it and I know every time I say this we get. You know, it's like. It reminds me of the. What was the. The Chris Rock joke he used to tell where women would sing along to really degrading rap lyrics and they'd be like, he's not talking about me. And he's like, he's saying your name, you know, like it's a great line. If you ever would go out to a bar. Rap lyrics very degrading to women. And all the women are dancing around like crazy, you know, rapping along with the lyrics. And whenever I say this, white women are like, not me, I'm not it. Yeah, ok. But as a percentage, overwhelmingly the most destructive force in America today is white women. Left wing and frankly, unmarried, white, married.

[Buck Sexton]

Unmarried white women is really the demographic you're talking about, buddy.

[Clay Travis]

But they are destroying the country and they're wrong on every single issue. And the scary thing, I bet this chick that we're, that we're playing the audio from that she's an unmarried white woman, God forbid if she's got a husband, poor bastard. But I will tell you right now, the scary thing to me, Buck, is not being wrong. Because trust me, I've been wrong on a lot. You've been wrong on a lot. Everybody out there has been wrong on a lot. It's not being willing or able to recognize when you are wrong and changing your opinion or changing your lifestyle choices. These crazy unmarried white women are so committed to the destructive belief systems that they have that results don't change their opinions.

[Buck Sexton]

I'll tell you honestly, man, it's just unmarried single women. It's unmarried women in, in like middle, you know, particularly like late 30s, up until their fifth. That's, that's the demo. It's across all races. They've got really bad.

[Clay Travis]

Well, young, young women are wrong like young men are because they're just knuckleheads and they haven't had enough life experience to learn. As you age, you start to have a better life perspective and you can adjust in your opinions. So younger people I think oftentimes have moronic. It takes. I've got all sorts of opinions I had when I was 17 that I was.

[Buck Sexton]

But I mean the true base by the numbers of the Democrat party is actually black female voters. That's the, that's the absolute locked in base that they have when it comes to voting.

[Clay Travis]

But I don't know, I don't know that black women drive the choices made by the Democrat party as much as highly educated unmarried white women do. That's the base you're talking about.

[Buck Sexton]

Like the policy director versus who's the base?

[Clay Travis]

That's right. You're right. The percentages of people who are going to show up and just vote because they've always voted Democrat. Black women are the most loyal Democrat voters. But the people that are actually driving the proverbial bus of the Democrat party are unmarried white women. And they are driving basically the bus off the side of a Cliff. And they don't recognize even choices they make in New York City. Mom. Donnie, if he actually puts in place the policies that he said he's going to do, you know what's going to happen? Women are going to be infinitely more dangerous in the lifestyle choices that they make. You're not going to be able to ride the subway, you're not going to be able to ride the buses. They're actually making choices that are utterly destructive for their own lifestyle. And, and they're not willing to recognize that they made the choice. Remember the great Sex in the City show back in the day, Buck? There's a line where Charlotte, who I thought was the.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that show led women off a cliff. So I would never refer to it as great. I think that show is enormously destructive to a generation of women. I've always believed that. And some chicks thought I was crazy years ago. And now they're like, buck, you're right.

[Clay Travis]

You're like, well, so it is an entertaining show, but I think if it's a lifestyle. But Charlotte at one point has this realization where she's made all these life choices and they've all been wrong. And she has this like meltdown where she says, I chose my choice. I chose my choice. I chose my choice. That is a realization that you made choices in your life that led you to the position where you are. I don't think a lot of these women are capable of logically recognizing that they have chosen the method of their own destruction. To use a Ghostbusters reference. They're actually making choices that are utterly destructive to their lifestyle. And there aren't, there isn't a recognition of it.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

It'll be different if you thought, I just. This is something I worry about all the time. If you, if you have a consequence free reality of your world, then how can you in some way get people to make rational choices?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is the lack of accountability I always talk about is the centerpiece of the Democrat party's pitch to people, which is that nothing that is in your life that is bad is your fault or could be changed by you. It is other people's fault. And the government is there to hurt those people that are the reason you are dissatisfied with things and to give you the things that you think you deserve. That's like the fundamental pitch of the Democrat. Really. It's just socialism. But they don't call it that. That's what it is. And speaking of socialism, you've got like Mamdani, you know what? We can come Back to this Clay, but Mamdani talking about how World cup tickets for everybody. You know, soccer, World cup tickets. What? He's the mayor of New York. He's not. He's not emperor of the universe, but, you know, if you're a commie, it's the same thing to you.

[Clay Travis]

So, yeah, we'll play that. I saw that clip that was going viral yesterday. Mamdani has basically decided that he has to address every single issue every day. No, the mayor of New York City. I don't know that you really need to call President Trump and give him your opinion on Venezuela, right? I mean, is that really the essence of your decision making? This may be the year you discover firsthand the value of owning gold as a part of your savings plan. Our friends at Birch Gold Group want to help you get this done. Look, gold has been an incredible investment. If you made gold a part of your portfolio, you outperformed everything in 2025. You outperformed the stock market. You outperformed crypto. You outperformed basically every asset class on the planet if you just owned gold. And right now, Birch Gold is giving you until January 30th to get hooked up with a rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. To start the process and claim eligibility, Text my name, Clay to 98. 98. 98. Birchgold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401K into an IRA and gold. And. And you're still eligible for a rebate of up to $10,000. Make this the month your first time buying gold. Take advantage of this. Add it to your portfolio. Just get more info about it. Why not consider it? Text my name Clay that clay to 98. 98. 98. That's my name. Clay to 98. 98. 98.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we have been talking about Mamdaniism in New York, the early stages of Mamdaniism. And we've heard some things that are troubling from people around him. We've heard from Mamdani himself. In fact, one of the, one of the really the best ones was when he said recently that he wanted to, quote, replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism. Yes, that's right. He wants to embrace New York City with the warmth of collectivism and smother it with a pillow when he does. So. I mean, this is really bad stuff, everybody. Bad stuff that's going to be happening if this guy gets his way. And even some things that are just preposterous, like, here he is, the World cup is going to be in a whole bunch of American cities. When does it start, Clay?

[Clay Travis]

June. Like early June of like five months from now.

[Buck Sexton]

So there'll be a lot of sports ball happening all over America then. And Mamdani wants you to know that somehow he's going to make tickets, not expensive, in New York, so anyone can go play 20.

[New Yorker Caller]

You know, I had a New Yorker the other day come up to me and ask me if there was any way I could help him get World cup tickets. Because he was saying that the cost that he saw for a game was $600. Right? This is increasingly out of reach. We have made what used to be a working class game into a luxury experience. And there are too many for whom it doesn't matter where the World cup is being played in the world. They know where they're going to watch it. It's TV and we want to ensure that there are more experiences available to each and every New Yorker.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just going to tell mom Donnie that I want private jet travel and see how he handles that one. He seems to have no understanding. Clay of yeah, it's expensive because more people want to go than they can fit in the seat. So they have to set a market price.

[Clay Travis]

Well, what's happened? I mean I know this because I spend so much time in the world of sports with stubhubs and seatgeeks of the world. There is never a sellout anymore. You have a real market based cost for every athletic event on the planet or Broadway play, you can always get a ticket. The prices have gone up a lot though.

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[Clay Travis]

Clay Travis Buck SEXTON SHOW let's see, we've got a bunch of different clips out there. Tim Walls finally took questions and he refused to resign. Says only will he resign over his dead body.

[Tim Walls]

Cut 30 Republicans want to tell you everybody with brown skin is stealing money or that they're not welcome here. They want to do nothing to improve this state. Their idea of improving this state is being a parrot for Donald Trump agreeing to everything that he agreed with. Well here's I'm going to tell you he it ain't happening. I'm not going anywhere and you can make all your requests for me to resign over my dead body. Will that happen? I will fight this thing till the very end to make this state better. And the question that I think they need to decide is when did the guy in the White House resign? When does he take accountability for what he did? Because it isn't going to happen here in terms of us shying away from making the state better. So you'll get to see me more. The good news on this is that I got no election to look forward to. I've been in front of you. I'll call on who I want to call on and I'll watch what the press gets written and we'll make sure that in this state there's full accountability for everybody. Because I. I buck stops with me. I'm accountable for this. And because of that accountability, I'm not running for office again. But I have a year to continue to improve on a record that I think will stand up against anybody's. A record that has made Minnesota better, a A record that makes people want to come here, and a record that has respected not only the dignity of people, but the idea of rule of law and camaraderie.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, what's interesting here to me in general is does it feel like to you the whole, like, he tried to start off the argument by saying, oh, this is about racism and this is about coming after people who are brown skinned. Does it feel like to you that that argument has just come complete like it used to be? You could shut down people really quickly if you said, hey, you know, we got to look at crime and black guys commit more crime than white guys. They're like, oh my God, you know, the Overton window was so small that if you said that, they would say, that's racist of you to notice what basic data shows and they would try to shut down the conversation. It feels like they've lost that battle now. And I don't know if it's social media just exploiting larger marketplace of ideas, conversations, but they're still trying to make it and it doesn't even work on legacy media anymore.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, that's all true. And there's a number of reasons why I think that Elon Musk's purchase of X is still one of the most important free speech turning points in the 21st century. And I know that for many of you who aren't even on X or never on Twitter, you're like, how can that be? It's the only place at scale. And I know some of you are going to tell me truth and whatever, and I appreciate that. But that's the numbers speak to this. That's a very small fraction of what you have on X. It's the only place at scale where ideas can be shared and can really take hold of the public consciousness in a way that is not dominated, has not been dominated by left wing control. We do have Congressman Chip Roy out of Texas with us now. Congressman, appreciate you being with us.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Great to be with you. Sorry to step out of our GP meeting day we have with the President and had to give you all a call. But great to be on.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I appreciate it. Tell the big guy we sent him a high five. He's doing an amazing job. We, we give him, give lots of thanks to him for a great 2025. But we're talking here a little bit actually about what's going on in Minnesota, the fraud there. And now people are saying if it's that bad in Minnesota, what's it look like in California? What's your take on this one, Congressman?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Yeah, I mean, look, what we're seeing there is the inevitable outcome of two things. A very broken immigration system, both legal and illegal, that flooded our country, particularly places like Minneapolis, with individuals who are, you know, obviously engaging in rampant fraud and taking taxpayer money and basically expanding it and bringing family members over and abusing our immigration system. But it's also the product of a welfare state that is out of control. We have been doling out billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars nonstop now for years. And it was put on steroids under the Biden administration. And now all of those two things collided to produce this disaster in Minneapolis. Yes, it's bad in California. Remember, by the way, last May, June when we were working to get the big beautiful bill passed, Remember those of us who were fighting and saying we needed the Medicaid work requirements and that we needed requirements to clamp down on fraud. Remember we were being said, well, you're going to take away Medicaid, you're going to make all these. No, we were trying to make sure that only American Citize were able to get that benefit through Medicaid. And we were trying to get rid of fraud. And by the way, Medicaid keeps going up under the big beautiful bill, but we're just trying to tighten down the fraud now. We've got miles to go. We're trying to fight through the appropriations process now, working with the President's team at the Office of Management and Budget. Now you've got DOJ and you got them out there investigating in Minnesota. We need to keep doing it and exposing it. And frankly, all of you people out there that are keyboard warriors looking at this stuff and finding information, there's a great guy. What is it? Ofl Rando, his Twitter account, he's a great Texan, dives into all of these accounts and they frankly do a lot of workforce to help identify this stuff. So we're going after it and doing the best we can and we got to just do more because that fraud is all over the place because of the money that's flowing.

[Clay Travis]

You're running for Attorney General of Texas in addition to being a congressman right now. Venezuela. What is the read on oil and gas from somebody who's in a state that knows more about oil and gas than anybody? What is the reaction that you're hearing from the people in the oil and gas industry? What do you think think should happen, will happen with Venezuela?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, first of all, the President showed great leadership and what he did engaging in Venezuela, this is not unprecedented. Obviously Noriega was a precedent. Legally, I think the President's going to be on strong footing in court, went out and extricated somebody who and brought him here for justice, who'd been indicted for engaging and carrying out criminal activity and organized crime with cartels and putting drugs into our communities. So it was the right thing to do. They're now going to try to make sure that it's stable. Let the Venezuelan people do what they need to do to pick their leadership and run their country. But we're going to make sure it's stable first. But remember, they nationalize the oil fields and their oil industry and took a lot of the investments that Americans put in there 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago. And that was a real issue that we've got to now unwind and then make sure now that oil isn't going to our enemies and isn't going to China, isn't going to Iran, isn't going to Russia and rather is being able to flow into Western hemisphere. And so I think that's going to happen. I think people I'm talking to in the oil and gas space are excited that we can have some oil supply to help, you know, free up the market. I mean, look, we can produce massive amounts of oil here, but there's always limits to what we can do with our fracking. And so it's nice to have multi sources and not be reliant on any one area. So to add the Venezuela supply back into the pipeline, so to speak, is viewed favorably. But also, you know, we need to make sure that we don't have, you know, another situation where we go invest in it and then it gets nationalized again. So president's doing the right thing, but we gotta do a lot of work to make sure that we can rely on it.

[Buck Sexton]

How concerned are you, Congressman, about the next steps in Venezuela, specifically pertaining to the security and, you know, internal. It's not a stable place, so stability might be the wrong word, but keeping this place from devolving into a Hobbesian mess. What do you think are the ways forward here, and how do you think the administration is gonna be able to handle some of these challenges?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, first of all, Marco Rubio has been doing a fantastic job as Secretary of State in every situation he's been put in. He was great this weekend articulating why this is critical to our national security interest. The Trump Doctrine, whatever you want to call it, with respect to focusing on the Western Hemisphere to push out our enemies and to increase the relationships and the reliance on other countries in the Western Hemisphere on America and not our enemies, not China, not Russia. These are all things that are critically important. I am concerned about the next steps. Those are very real concerns. They've got a lot of people in the regime are still in place. There's a lot of corruption that still exists. Moving one guy out of it is a good step, but it's not going to be the whole solution. We got to work to try to get Venezuela back on its feet, get it back to where it was economically two decades ago, but moving forward with a stronger rule of law and to have a better society that is built on our Republican principles here. And so I think we've got a lot of work to do, but we can do it, and it's worth it. Okay? This is not the nation building of trying to go build a country over in Iraq for 20 years where you spend $7 trillion and lose 7,000 men and women and 75,000 injuries. What we're dealing with here is in our Western hemisphere, in our backyard, just south of Cuba, a country that is rich with minerals that can be a benefit to our entire civilization over here, but that we need to stabilize. I think the President is doing the right thing, but it's going to take a lot of work. This is not easy. I'm not a big believer in regime change and nation building, but what we're trying to do here is create stability with an important country in the Western Hemisphere that's important to our national security interests.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Congressman Chippewa, running for the Attorney General of The state of Texas. When you look at what's happened, Tim Walls, we just played a couple of cuts from him, press conference availability today, his political career is effectively over. What does that tell us about the dwindling power of legacy media when effectively this is a 23 year old on YouTube who went and did his own investigation into fraud in Minnesota and I think effectively ended Tim Walls his career. How does this change the dynamics of the political universe and also the trajectory of our country?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Well, look, I think this is an important moment and I think we should recognize that. And I've been talking about this quite a bit because when I mentioned a minute ago, right, I wasn't joking when I said that those are the listeners out there, the people who focus on this stuff. They can go do some of this investigative, investigative work that helps us with policy because people don't realize that, you know, in a congressional office, right. I mean I have 14 or 15 staff, half of them are doing constituent services and, and you know, engagement with my constituents. And you got a handful of policy people and you have to do bills every day. And so it's hard for us to go the deep dive investigative work. So when we've got support from the outside, which should have been the media, right. The media is supposed to be seeking truth wherever it may lead, right? To quote Thomas Jefferson, they haven't been doing that. They've been an advocate for radical Marxism and leftism. And now you've got people like Nick who went out and did the hard work, you know, on the ground in Minneapolis and Minnesota. And now hopefully we're going to see more of that. See that in California and see that in Texas. Right. I mean there's, there's fraud in Texas and that we had to root out. There's Medicaid Fraud Division, AG's office, the Attorney General's office, that, you know, I want to make sure we're focusing on rooting out all the Medicaid fraud. But I know Texas is better than California and Minneapolis and, or Minnesota and New York, but we've got to have that. We've got to have people on the outside that are helping us again. The founders understood the importance of the freedom of the press. The question is, is who is the pressure? And right now with technology and with, with what Elon did with X, it's impressive. Now what you can allow, what a 23 year old, to your point, can do to bring out truth again, this is all about seek truth wherever it may lead. That's the goal.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you think that There will be accountability, though. A lot of people, Congressman, become very disillusioned with our system, and there's this exposure of something like this. And then we're wondering, well, is anyone actually going to go to prison over this? I mean, I saw. I think there's a U.S. attorney's office in Atlanta, Georgia is bringing a prosecution against a state rep there for stealing $15,000, something like that, in Covid funds. And they're bringing that prosecution under public integrity. And they're like, look, you're a. You're a public official and you're stealing money from the state you live in. That's unacceptable. I see what's going on in Somalia. I'm hearing that people are. I'm sorry, with the Somalis in Minnesota. And you hear that people are taking the GDP of Somalia from that state in fraud. Is anyone going to go to prison?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Yeah, I mean, you make. Make a good point. In fact, I tweeted that out early. I think I was the first maybe to put that out that their GDP is 13 billion, and we're talking about 18 billion of potential fraud. Now, that's the potential number. That tweet got 35 million views, by the way, just to be clear about how much people are recognizing this. And I think that's important to your point. Yes. Heads need to roll. I am gratified to see that. I think I saw something like a thousand prosecutions that discussed in the news reports that I saw this morning or yesterday. You know, look, this takes a little bit of work. You got to prove up a case. I'm a former federal prosecutor in U.S. attorney's office, and remember, typically our federal laws are not designed for us to have a federal police force and federal prosecutorial force going into states. But where you've got the abuse of federal funds, where you've got the nexus to the fraud of these federal tax dollars flowing, and you have public servants who are engaging in that kind of behavior, there's absolutely room for federal prosecutions. We need to follow the truth wherever it may lead on this stuff in terms of including state leaders and those that are involved in. In knowingly and intentionally violating our laws. And we've got to dive into it. And, you know, look, people ask me all the time, why isn't Judge Boasberg being impeached? Well, I agree he should be. I mean, we should bring it up and we should have the vote. And if some Republicans won't vote for it, then they got to go answer to their constituents. I think we need to have Some votes here on judicial impeachments. I think we need to see prosecutions out of the U.S. attorney's offices. And I hope we will.

[Clay Travis]

Last question for you quickly here as we go to break. How much difference is Texas with a completely secured southern border? And privately, do even some Democrats come up to you and say, boy, things are so much better here with a completely secured southern border?

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Yeah, I mean, I would call a lot of those folks, former Democrats, frankly, people in South Texas who have been looking at this going, yes, I mean, that was ridiculous what we were dealing with, the danger, the fentanyl, the cartels, the criminal activity, the fact that our hospitals and jails were all filled up. Now they see what can happen when you just simply enforce the law. But the point that I made, I literally just made it 15 minutes ago sitting in front of my Republican colleagues in our meeting. I said, remember that the president had basically secured the border in 2020. It wasn't quite as tight as it is now, but it was pretty tight. And guess what happened? It got blown to hell in a matter of months. Under Biden and Mayorkas, we, Congress, must codify the president's agenda, the president's, you know, actions that he's taken as president on the border and pass what we passed last Congress. Remember we passed HR2, that strong border security bill. We have not passed that again. We need to pass it, send it to the Senate. We need to force them to act. If we don't codify this stuff, then the next Democrat president will abuse it again. So it's great. To answer your question, Texas is in a lot better spot. But look, we still have a lot of people we still need to remove. ICE is doing a good job, but we got to go out and find the folks that have been violating our laws, the people that were wrongly paroled and given granted asylum, and then we need to pass laws to codify these things to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Clay Travis]

Congressmanship Roy of the great state of Texas, the next attorney General there. We appreciate the time, sir.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Thanks, guys. Take care.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

We got a quick turnaround here to close us for out for the day, but we throw some Easter eggs into the show. Usually movie references. I threw in Samsonite. I was way off, which is a pretty obscure line. Apparently not though, because you guys, many, many, many of you nailed it. We have a montage of your genius esteemed listeners play gg.

[Clay Travis]

That would be a reference to Dumb.

[Buck Sexton]

And that's absolutely Dumb and Dumber.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

The Samsonite reference is clearly from Dumb and Dumber.

[Clay Travis]

I got your reference.

[Buck Sexton]

It's Dumb and Dumber.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

Totally from Dumb and Dumber. The classic reference Samsonite is from the.

[Clay Travis]

Movie Dumb and Dumber.

[Congressman Chip Roy]

I just wanted to say I got that Easter egg that's Dumb and Dumber. One of the funniest movies ever.

[Clay Travis]

Gina from Utah.

[Sia Weaver]

Very obvious.

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Dumb and Dumber.

[Clay Travis]

I did not Google it and didn't need to.

[Buck Sexton]

Dumb and Dumber. The Samsonite Swanson Samsonite. That is dumb and Dumber.

[Clay Travis]

If anybody doesn't know Dumb and Dumber, then they're just crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

I love you guys. Man, Clay, they nailed it. Nailed it. That's really good.

[Clay Travis]

I was thinking in 26 we could have some fun if we tried to drop something in a couple of times a week and didn't tell people and see if they catch it.

[Buck Sexton]

I like it. Let's do Clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

Easter eggs.

[Buck Sexton]

I like it.

[Clay Travis]

Good idea.

[Buck Sexton]

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