Hour 3 - Elections Have Consequences

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Hour 3 - Elections Have Consequences
Release Date: March 14, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into the significant political and economic developments shaping the United States, with a particular focus on Michigan. The discussion spans topics from the Trump administration's impact on manufacturing, the political aspirations of prominent figures like Pete Buttigieg and Gretchen Whitmer, to contentious immigration policies and free speech debates. Guest Tudor Dixon provides insightful commentary on these issues, offering a perspective rooted in Michigan's current socio-political landscape.

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1. Trump's Influence on Michigan's Manufacturing Sector

Timestamp: [02:02] - [04:19]

Tudor Dixon discusses President Donald Trump's commitment to revitalizing Michigan's manufacturing industry. Highlighting a recent event at Vantage Plastics in Bay City, Michigan, where Vice President J.D. Vance spoke about the administration's efforts to bolster American manufacturing, particularly in the automotive sector.

• Key Points:

  • Protection Against Foreign Competition: Dixon emphasizes Trump's strategy to prevent Chinese electric vehicles from dominating the German market, drawing parallels to safeguarding American manufacturers.
  • Tariffs as a Tool: The implementation of tariffs is seen as a means to encourage domestic production and support tiered suppliers in Michigan.
  • Job Creation: Reinforcing manufacturing is crucial for creating sustainable employment opportunities in Michigan, a state struggling to supply enough jobs for its residents.

• Notable Quote:

  Clay Travis [02:38]: "So what can be done by the Trump administration, perhaps J.D. as point man on some of these policy items? What can be done to get manufacturing up and running in the kind of increases that Donald Trump wants and has promised?"

  Tudor Dixon [02:55]: "He's been very clear that he is going to make sure that we don't have these competitors from, for example, China coming in."

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2. The Political Ambitions of Pete Buttigieg in Michigan

Timestamp: [05:21] - [07:23]

The hosts explore former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg's unsuccessful Senate bid in Michigan. Tudor Dixon critiques Buttigieg's suitability and political standing within the state, questioning his alignment with Michigan's electorate.

• Key Points:

  • Residency Concerns: Buttigieg's recent move to Michigan is scrutinized, suggesting a lack of deep-rooted connection to the state.
  • Political Fit: Dixon labels Buttigieg as a "radical" who fails to resonate with Michigan voters, implying his policies and persona are misaligned with the state's needs.
  • Presidential Aspirations: While acknowledging Buttigieg's presidential ambitions, Dixon remains skeptical about his viability on the national stage.

• Notable Quote:

  Tudor Dixon [05:21]: "He knows that he cannot explain what's happening in transportation today. And he's a radical. He's not only bad at his job, he's a radical. He doesn't fit the state of Michigan."

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3. Governor Gretchen Whitmer's Performance and Future Prospects

Timestamp: [07:23] - [11:52]

The conversation shifts to Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, examining her leadership effectiveness and potential presidential run. Tudor Dixon critiques her administration's performance metrics, highlighting Michigan's low national rankings.

• Key Points:

  • Low Performance Rankings: Michigan ranks 41st in nearly every category, reflecting poorly on Whitmer's governance.
  • Media Relations: Despite poor state performance, Whitmer maintains high approval ratings by minimizing media interactions and promoting a favorable narrative through controlled communications.
  • Presidential Run Possibility: Dixon predicts Whitmer will seek higher office but doubts her ability to effectively campaign on a national scale given her administration's shortcomings.

• Notable Quotes:

  Tudor Dixon [07:23]: "Gretchen Whitmer... has historically always been running for the next seat while she's in the one that she currently is elected to. And she's not doing the job..."

  Clay Travis [08:27]: "I still am amazed that she hasn't even been held accountable for the COVID situation."

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4. Immigration Policies and Free Speech: The Mahmoud Khalil Case

Timestamp: [28:07] - [34:29]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the controversial deportation case of Mahmoud Khalil, intertwining themes of immigration policy, free speech, and national security.

• Key Points:

  • Deportation Based on Speech: Khalil faces deportation not for criminal activity but for expressing unsupported political ideas, raising concerns about the intersection of free speech and immigration laws.
  • Government Authority: The discussion underscores the government's power to revoke visas and deport individuals who pose potential threats based on ideology.
  • Precedent Setting: The case sets a precedent for future administrations, highlighting the volatile nature of immigration enforcement tied to political expression.

• Notable Quotes:

  Tudor Dixon [31:32]: "He's being charged with having ideas and speaking out about them, ideas that the government disapproves of."

  Clay Travis [32:06]: "If the Secretary of State and the President decide this person shouldn't be in America and they have no legal right to stay here, it's as simple as that."

  Tudor Dixon [34:25]: "This is an attempt to bully the university's incentive into submission...to bully and intimidate students from speaking out, faculty from speaking out."

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5. The Consequences of Elections on Policy and Society

Timestamp: Throughout the Episode

The overarching theme of the episode emphasizes that electoral outcomes have tangible consequences on national policies and societal issues. From manufacturing and education to immigration and free speech, the hosts argue that voter decisions directly influence the direction of these critical areas.

• Key Points:

  • Policy Implementation: Election results determine the administration's ability to enact policies that can either strengthen or undermine key sectors like manufacturing.
  • Social Dynamics: Political leadership shapes societal attitudes towards issues such as free speech and immigration, impacting everyday lives of citizens.
  • Long-term Implications: The decisions made in elections set lasting precedents that future administrations may continue or reverse, affecting the nation's trajectory.

• Notable Quote:

  Clay Travis [34:13]: "Elections have consequences."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show offers a critical examination of the current political climate, with a spotlight on Michigan's economic and political challenges. Through incisive dialogue with Tudor Dixon, the hosts dissect the implications of leadership decisions on manufacturing, governance, and civil liberties. The discussions underscore the importance of informed voting, as electoral outcomes possess far-reaching consequences for both policy and the societal fabric of the United States.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Tudor Dixon]

Yes, absolutely. He and Kelly Loeffler, who is the administrator of the small business is in Washington. She's out here today as well. So they are coming to a small business in Michigan called Vantage Plastics and we are headed into the building in a few minutes here to see them speak about the importance of manufacturing in Michigan that was a big promise from Donald Trump on the campaign trail. And he is following through to make sure that he is taking care of Michigan manufacturers and the workers here in the state of Michigan. And we could not be more excited to have them back here in the state.

[Clay Travis]

So what can be done by the Trump administration, perhaps JD as point man on some of these policy items? What can be done to get manufacturing up and running in the kind of increases that Donald Trump wants and has promised?

[Tudor Dixon]

I think he's been very clear that he is going to make sure that we don't have these competitors from, for example, China coming in. If you saw what happened in Germany, the Volkswagen factories all closed down because the Chinese electric vehicles came to Germany and took over. And he's been very clear that he's going to make sure that things are American made and that American cars are still number one in the country. That's very important here in the state of Michigan. Obviously, we are the state that put the world on wheels. We want to make sure that we continue to have auto manufacturing in the United States and centered right here in the state of Michigan. And so not only is he focused on that, but those, these tariffs that we are talking about as well, that's also going to draw back American manufacturers and manufacturing in America, which will ultimately help all of our tier one, tier two and tier three suppliers here in the state of Michigan. And that's what we want to make sure we beef up because we are really struggling in the state to make sure that we are supplying enough jobs for the people in the state of Michigan.

[Clay Travis]

So it sounds like when you're talking to people up there who are in manufacturing, are they enthusiastic about Trump's tariffs specifically as they pertain to Canada? Or is there one country that you hear about more than the others right now? Because tariffs is getting a lot of attention this week. So what are you hearing from people who are trying to actually make stuff here at home in America up in Michigan?

[Tudor Dixon]

The people, if Michigan came out strong for Donald Trump, they believe in what he's doing. When I talk to them, they're like, yes, this is why I voted for him. I trust what he's doing. I know that he knows he understands the art of the deal, he understands negotiations, he understands when he has the leverage. They're not concerned about all the fear mongering. They're hearing from the left because they know that they need a change here in the state, especially in this state. I mean, if you look at us, we're 41st in the nation. In almost every category. If something doesn't change in Michigan, I mean, really, who's going to be the last person to turn out the lights on the way out the door?

[Clay Travis]

It's a remarkable set of circumstances up there. And I also want to know, tell me what, what happened with Pete Buddha Judge running for Senate in Michigan? It lasted like a day. And then I am told he's not. Is he even a Michigan guy? I don't even know. I knew he was in South Bend, Indiana, which is close by as the mayor. But what happened to Mayor Pete? I thought he was going to make a run for it up there.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, Mayor Pete did win one election in his lifetime, so he believes that he will be able to win the presidency, apparently now. But he was looking at the Senate because he moved to Michigan about four years ago. He moved to Traverse City, and I suspect that he was looking at the Senate race. And yet there are a lot of people here who have lived in Michigan for, you know, almost their whole lives, if not their whole lives, who would like to have the Senate seat on the Democrat side. And I suspect that some of these women said to him, no, you step aside. But then he's saying, well, people were saying he'd have a better chance at the presidency if he didn't have one run right after the other. Give me a break. We know exactly what happened. He's a failed transportation secretary. He knows that he cannot explain what's happening in transportation today. That goes right back to his record. He knows that running or being the mayor of South Bend is not going to move people in the state of Michigan to put him out there as one of our senators. And he's a radical. He's not only bad at his job, he's a radical. He doesn't fit the state of Michigan. So I think people went to him and said, hey, man, this is not your time. And he believes for some reason that he can run for president. And I look forward to watching the matchup of Big Gretch and Mayor Pete together from Michigan on the stage trying to go up against the Republicans. I think it'll be hilarious.

[Clay Travis]

We're speaking. We're speaking to our friend Tudor Dixon, who's got the Tudor Dixon Podcast. You Read My Mind with Gretchen Whitmer. Next up here on our list of things to discuss, how is she doing statewide and approval ratings? Where does she fall, you think, in this, you've probably seen Gavin Newsom making a big play for the big Democrat slot, right? Meaning no one is going to be running in a primary right now. But people are already thinking about who is going to be and who are the. Who the front runners would be on the Democrat side, Gretchen Whitmer and all this. How does. How does she factor into. I mean, let's just get to this. Is she running for president in the next cycle, you think?

[Tudor Dixon]

Oh, I have no doubt. I mean, Gretchen Whitmer is generally. Well, she has historically always been running for the next seat while she's in the one that she currently is elected to. And she's not doing the job, as you can see by us being the 41st state in the nation in almost every category. But her approval ratings stay high because she refuses to speak to the media. And the media in Michigan lets her get away with it because she's a Democrat. She puts out these videos that are filled with lies saying that the state is in great shape, but if you look at the numbers, the state is in horrible condition. The one thing that will be her downfall is that she's never had a strong opponent with financial. The financial ability to prove how bad she is. And I say that as one of her former opponents. There is so much that needs to be exposed about Gretchen Whitmer on the presidential stage. She cannot. She would not be able to survive her own record. But I look forward to her trying to do it with her little videos of Dorito communions and things like that. I just don't think that's going to play well for the entire nation.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. What was that all about? The Dorito communion thing. I remember that now. It feels like it was years ago, but it wasn't that long ago. She was. What was the point of that again? Just remind me about this one, because I remember looking at this video on X and thinking, that is very weird.

[Tudor Dixon]

She went through this strange phase of having. I think she had a very young social media team that was telling her all of these videos were very cool. And there had been strange videos where she was talking to a potato and all of these bizarre AI videos. But then the last one that she did, and this was really the last cringy video she did, she had a girl on her knees in front of her and she was feeding her Doritos and they were. The look on their faces was very awkward. And everybody went, what in the world? And it made the Catholics so mad, they went and protested outside of her house. How could you treat the Catholics like this? I mean, it was really such an unforced error on her entire. And she wasn't campaigning, she was campaigning For Kamala Harris. It was the same week that Kamala Harris blew off the Al Smith dinner and did the Mary Katherine Gallagher skit. I mean, this is like the best way for Democrats to make every Catholic in the country mad. And I think they affect did And I really say that she had a major, she played a major role in them losing that election because of what she did with Catholics that week.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, it's, it has been quite a, quite a journey for Gretchen Whitmer. I still am amazed that she hasn't even been held accountable for the COVID situation. But I guess, I guess that's not going to happen. Maybe, maybe it will if she runs for president. How are you feeling about how things are going with, with Doge Elon and cleaning up the swamp? What's your take on that? As somebody who's had to look at. I'm sure Michigan has some swampiness to clean up, but nationwide, Doge Elon, they're looking at it. How do you think it's going?

[Tudor Dixon]

There's no better sign that it's going well than the Democrats completely freaking out about it. I mean, AOC saying she's going to primary Schumer because he's going to go along with the CR that is going to give Elon more power. I mean, they're obsessed. They are obsessed with him because he is exposing the waste, fraud and abuse and the fact that they can't possibly step back and say, well, hey, we do believe there needs to be cuts. We'd like to see it a different way, or we'd like to see this happen. They can't even logically look at it. They just go into complete meltdown mode that there are any cuts at all that's unreasonable. And when you see someone have a completely unreasonable reaction, you realize there's something that they're hiding. And this is a very good program. Elon Musk is doing an incredible job, and in there, they're terrified of it.

[Clay Travis]

You know, you have a few things happening simultaneously with these cuts. One of them is the Department of Education had a whole bunch of people told that their services are no longer needed. And now we are told that by the New York Times, I talked about this yesterday, that because those people aren't around, we won't have the best number crunchers to tell us how the school systems are doing in different states. You know, so the federal government has to just sit there and have people that are hovering and crunching numbers to tell you that states are failing. I assume, just taking Michigan as an example, There's a lot that could be improved within the school system. A lot of. A lot of waste and a lot of nonsense.

[Tudor Dixon]

41St in education as well. That's what we have to boast about. So when people say, well, my goodness, what will we do if the Department of Ed isn't there to tell us how bad. Actually, we'd like to see phonics in schools. We'd like to see kids reading. We know in the state of Michigan that the kids who can't read almost always end up in prison. We know that that's the case across the board. And yet we're more concerned about whether or not there are number crunchers in Washington, D.C. rather than whether or not the teachers in the classroom are getting the right information to get to the students. That we have the best public schools in the world. I mean, that shouldn't even be a question for Americans. Americans should be saying every. Why the heck would America not have the best schools in the entire world? And the minute we see one slipping, why wouldn't we just completely go crazy about the thought of our kids not having the best possible education? There's no reason for us to accept anything less than perfection when it comes to education in the United States of America. And yet the fact that you see Democrats every day saying, just keep funneling money into a bunch of people who have had zero success. I mean, it's like you look at California, you've got what, a billion dollars that goes into homelessness in San Francisco and la, and yet you have the worst homelessness problem in the entire country and you continue to funnel money into it. At a certain point you say, man, homelessness, poor education, these have all become industries in and of themselves that thrive on failure. We can no longer allow government to thrive on failure.

[Clay Travis]

Tudor Dixon, everybody. Tutor. Have a great time at the event today with Vice President J.D. vance. Give him regards from Clay and Buck to him. He should come hang out with us soon. And thank you for being here and everyone should go check out your podcast.

[Tudor Dixon]

Absolutely. Thank you so much.

[Clay Travis]

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Refused. He said, Mr. Mr. McBride or Congressman, I think it was Congressman McBride, he said, and now you'll notice this is the strategy that I've told you about so many times. They try meaning the left, the people promoting the trans agenda, they try to tell you that you have to say it the following way, right? Like you must do this, you must obey me. And when we say hold on a second, I don't want to do that, cuz that makes me a liar. And I don't want to lie. I want to live not by lies. Solzhenitsyn so this is, this is where you see the strategy work. And now that that exchange has happened, Congressman McBride is saying this is another version of this. It's, it's why are you so obsessed with this? Why are you obsessed with me? Here I live rent free in the minds of my Republican colleagues. Play 5 I appear to live rent free in the minds of some of my Republican colleagues. I wish that they would spend even a fraction of the time that they spend thinking about me thinking about how to lower the costs for American families. I wish they would spend a fraction of the time that they spend thinking about me figuring out how to make government actually work better rather than making it work worse in order to prove that government can't work. They are obsessed with culture war issues. The Republican Party is obsessed with culture war issues. It is weird and it is bizarre. And the American people deserve serious legislators, serious elected officials who are focused on bringing people together to deliver real results for the American people. Not to play games and not to engage in schoolyard taunts. We're obsessed. You're a dude who says he's a chick, and you're in the United States Congress and you want people to go along with it. No, this is. But notice, this is what happens. Do what I say or else. No, I'm not going to, because you're telling me that I have to lie and I have to be a part of this. Why are you so obsessed with this? Why is it such a big deal that you. Why is it such a big deal to you? If you know, you're a woman, fine, be. You know, create this thing in your head. You're a woman, but people are going to call you Mr. And it's going to say male on your driver's license. And that's the way society is going to function and be orderly because we can't all be a part of someone's lie. That's the. That. That's a very straightforward situation. You want to grow your hair long. You want to call yourself Sarah, Fine. You're a free human being. You do all that. That's fine. But you don't get to make us say, you know what? You're actually. You're actually a lady. You're actually a lady. And you certainly can't say, this is a big deal to me. You have to obey my rules. And then when we say no, you go, why? Why are you so into this? Why? Why do I live rent free in your heads? 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One is that the anti semitic campus stuff where you had people who were taking the side of Hamas, which is a designated terrorist organization, which is a vicious, vile and disgraceful entity. And anyone associated with it is also vicious, vile and disgraceful, as anyone who defends it is being all those things as well. And so people have just had enough. But also it goes to, I think, the broader conversation when it comes to, so there's the anti Semitic part of it, and people are rightly just find that abhorrent. And then there's because, remember, if it was about humanity saving human beings, you know, doing the right thing. Don't, don't we think that these campus protests could have happened for a whole lot of other things as well? Why just this issue, you know, right. Where are the campus protests over the Christians who are being massacred, you know, mutilated and executed on the streets of Damascus right now because a jihadist Muslim terror group is now the de facto government of Syria? You know, where are the protests about that now? There, there are none. Of course we, we know that there's not going to be anybody who's paying attention to that issue from the American left. It's only when there are Jews involved and Israel involved that suddenly there is a, an outrage that has to, has to spill out onto the streets and people have to become so, so furious about this. And Break laws, too. Remember when you're talking about destroying property, when you talk about threatening people, menacing people, assault and battery, there are laws against this stuff. And J.D. vance addressed this. He said, look, and this is what, again, my initial position on this was I just want clarity on what the authority is and what the violation is and what they've told us. Because I always want that right, because we are a nation of laws. And if the authority is, you're here as a guest and the government can just decide, you gotta go, and that truly is in statute, and that is a statutory authority. Great. This guy should go. See you later. Now, I do remind everybody that there will be a Democrat president at some point, and there might be some people, there might be some dissidents in this country, let's say. I mean, I brought up the, the idea of South African, you know, South African asylum or, you know. Yeah, asylum seekers showing up here and talking about what's going on with them in South Africa. That may be stuff that the left doesn't want to hear. Well, they'll. If they're on a visa or if they're on a green card, they can be expelled too. And we can't say anything about it. Right. So just, we need to understand what the rules are. The rules, as we've, as it's been laid out now, show us that you're allowed to just send somebody packing if they're a visitor in the country. J.D. vance, Vice President Vance. Here he is, cut 12, speaking about how, yeah, man, you don't have a right to be here if you're not an American. Play it. A green card holder, even if I might like that, green card holder doesn't have an indefinite right to be in the United States of America.

[Tudor Dixon]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

American citizens have different rights from people who have green cards, from people who have student visas. And so my attitude on this is this, this is not fundamentally about free speech. And to me, yes, it's about national security, but it's also more importantly about who do we as an American public decide gets to join our national community. And if the Secretary of State and the President decide this person shouldn't be in America and they have no legal right to stay here, it's as simple as that. Yeah, there you go. That is the authority that is rule. And this is, this is taking us back to an earlier era. If you go back and look at immigration and first of all, within our laws already on the books for things like visas, you go back and you look at what was happening at the turn of the 20th century, a big concern for us was communism and people coming into this country with socialist, communist ties, ideas, and wanting to foment communist revolution in America. And I know now people dismiss this stuff and say, was that ever really. Oh, no, it was a big deal. And communism, anarchism as well. They're different. But. But you had a period where you had communists, anarchists, and socialists from. Call it roughly, you know, 1890 into the 1920s. And that was a big concern. And it was an issue for immigration purposes as well. And I think that even. Even when you go get a security clearance, you know, they ask you and they say, you know, have you ever been a part of a group that tries to overthrow the United States? I think it's reasonable that we don't want those people coming into the country or getting a security clearance. And I think that people who have an espoused ideology that is clearly at odds with or is hostile to our way of life are subject to deportation. Now, you could say, what about Americans who feel that way? A lot of Democrats maybe, who feel that way, just throwing it out there, but what about Americans who feel that way? That is the price we pay for free speech, is that you can have a lot of Americans who say things that we really, really hate, but they're allowed to have ideas that other Americans hate. In fact. And this is. This is really a cliche now, because everyone's heard it so many times, but if you won't protect speech that is offensive to a lot of people in this country, you aren't. You aren't actually protecting free speech. I don't need free speech when it comes to the government leaving me alone to discuss the weather. I did need free speech when it came to telling people that the government was wrong about vaccine mandates and about masks and about lockdowns, for example, during COVID then free speech matters. And a lot of people failed that test. The government failed that test, the Biden administration, horrifically so. And so, yes, I think that we're. We're reorienting our thinking about immigration, where, yes, we're allowed to tell people they can and can't come here, and yes, we're allowed to pick who can and can't come here based upon what kind of a person they are, what they believe, what kind of contribution they will make. It's not supposed to be just whoever shows up, whoever's in walking distance of the border, gets to stay here. So that is a big change. Now let's get into some of the defense here of the Mahmoud Khalil here, here is his attorney, Donna Lieberman, and her. Look, she's his attorney, so you're going to hear the stuff that an attorney would say, play 13.

[Tudor Dixon]

He's being charged with having ideas and speaking out about them, ideas that the government disapproves of. And really, that's all there is to it.

[Clay Travis]

This is a targeted, retaliatory and extreme.

[Tudor Dixon]

Attack on the right of free expression. It's a legal concept from this administration.

[Clay Travis]

But it has no basis in law.

[Tudor Dixon]

And it has no basis in. Under a constitution that protects the right of free speech. The First Amendment protects everybody in the country.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, but if you're here on a visa, we can pull your visa. Right. So they're not, they're not saying, hey, we're going to lock you up for 20 years for saying things we didn't like. They're saying, you know what? You're a jerk and we're making you go home. And again, I could be wrong, but my understanding of it is, and certainly Secretary Rubio and Vice President Vance and many others have spoken out on. This is government can do that. Government can say, hey, it's. It's been real, buddy, but you get to go back now. And this is where I think this is likely eventually to wind its way through the court. Interesting. I wonder how high up this will go. I mean, it could go to the Supreme Court, but I think eventually the courts will find in favor of the administration again, assuming my read of the statutes involved here is correct. I mean, that's certainly the position that the Trump administration is taking this. Absolutely. If this guy was a US Citizen, to be clear, if Mahmoud Khalil was a US Citizen, this would absolutely be unconstitutional and illegal to arrest him and all this other stuff just based on speech. See, this is what, this is what was confusing in the early days, the people were saying, oh, well, he was involved in violent protests and destruction of property, and he should have been charged with crimes. Okay. If he commits crimes, then you can arrest him when you charge him with those crimes. But they're not actually, as far as I have seen, charging him with crimes. They are saying, you're a guest and we're sick of you because you're annoying and you say bad things. Go home. Different thing. So we have to keep these, these separate. And this has been my, my understanding of it up to this point. Oh, oh, we got, we got more from the attorney here. This is cut 14. Donna Lieberman saying, they've kidnapped this guy. Play it.

[Tudor Dixon]

They kidnapped this man. This young student father to be in any minute now based on an accusation.

[Clay Travis]

That he has the wrong political ideas and he has expressed them.

[Tudor Dixon]

And this isn't just about him.

[Clay Travis]

This is a shot across the bow.

[Tudor Dixon]

This is a message to every university in the country. This is a message to every member.

[Clay Travis]

Of the faculty in any university, to all the students.

[Tudor Dixon]

It's an attempt to bully the university's incentive into submission. It's an attempt to bully and intimidate students from speaking out, faculty from speaking out.

[Clay Travis]

And it's an attempt to bully the.

[Tudor Dixon]

Rest of us into being quiet and.

[Clay Travis]

Going with the administration's program. You see, that's just not true because the rest of us who are citizens aren't bothered by this at all. Because as I said, and it wouldn't, this guy is the stuff that he says, destroying Western civilization, being on the side of Hamas. You know, I despise all of that, and I try to devote my professional life to countering that here on this program. But if he were an American citizen, the things that he said would not be enough, unless I'm missing something, would not be enough for an arrest and any kind of a charge. But this is about immigration law. This is not about speech law per se or violation of, of some kind of a criminal statute. So, you know, it's an interesting case in that respect. And the administration, the Trump administration is taking an aggressive stance on it. And like, like I said, I wanted all of us to be clear because you have to remember that there will be a Democrat president at some point and they will use this, too, because no one's ever done this. For my, in my knowledge, at least in living memory, I don't think anyone's ever done this before. But now this is a, this is a precedent that has been set. So, you know, we're going to have to live with it. And maybe that's a, that's a good thing. Well, it's a good thing as long as the people in charge are pulling visas of those who are truly radicals and heinous and, and attack our way of life with their ideas. But remember, Democrats will say that about people who don't use proper pronouns. So that's the, this becomes the issue for it. And this is why it's important. Elections have, Elections have consequences. Elections have consequences. Including, apparently, Rosie O'Donnell going to Ireland. A reporter. This is pretty funny, actually. This is the Oval Office. A reporter has asked the Irish pm, because there was a meeting with Trump and the, and the Prime Minister of Ireland. Why would you let Rosie O'Donnell. I'm sorry, the reporter asked the Irish PM about it. And then Trump weighs in on the rosy move to Ireland play 21. Ireland is known for very happy, fun loving people. Great attitude. Many in this room right now that I've met. Why in the world would you let Rosie O'Donnell move to Ireland? I think she's going to lower your happiness level. That's true. Thank you. I like that question. You know who she is. I'm joking. You better love funny. You're better off not knowing. You're better off not knowing. Yeah. Trump and Rosie ODonnell's long standing feud. I mean, it's kind of just funny. They don't like each other and they've gone after each other in the press, but hopefully for Rosie's sake, they don't have some statute in Ireland where if you just have terrible ideas and, and are too Trump deranged, you get sent, you get sent out of Ireland to America or whatever kind of. I think she's trying to get citizenship there. So she's got some, some work to do on it. But you'll notice other countries have their own set up their own rules about this and that's just the way it is. It's only America where everyone around the whole world seems to be, seems to think they have the right to have an opinion and a say in what our immigration policies are. You know, being in America is a privilege, not a right. And unless you're a citizen. And so this is a return to that baseline thinking. Sports fans know this phrase. Selection Sunday. It's the official start of March Madness and a great basketball tournament in the making. These are good days to be a sports fan. 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Clay loves his job. We love doing this show and so thank you for, for being here this week. We've got some exciting news about some new affiliates that have been joining up as well. Wanted to say welcome to all of them. We are very excited to be able to speak to your audiences. There are dozens of them that have joined so we, I won't name them all right now because off the top of my head that's going to be kind of a long list which is a high class, high class problem. But you know, this weekend I'm doing something pretty interesting. I'm going to be heading out to, heading out to North Carolina to do some training with my brothers and DJ Shipley, who is a decorated former SEAL Team Six operative who we will be spending some time just going through tactics and all. We're basically showing up saying, DJ teach us as much as you can this weekend about, about guns, about tactics, about shooting, about marksmanship, you know, about self defense, about room clearing. 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