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Clay Travis
in Clay and Buck. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. The Lindsey Graham Memorial Service the funeral process is underway right now. There are many different people from the political world also around the world. Netanyahu and Zelensky both in town along with many other global leaders. As Lindsey Graham's life is celebrated that is ongoing right now being covered live by the networks. We have been discussing Dr. Fauci's diary and the fact that he is going to be called to testify at 8:30am Eastern tomorrow. What he might do to 1100 page diary. The revelations continue. We also have been discussing the Fauci not only the Fauci diaries but also the Mamdani tax related issues. The fact that New York City has a bigger budget for tax purposes than the entire state of Florida and Buck this is just now starting to be discussed more. Why were so many people getting these notices? We just talked about this with Alex Barents and his mom, it's her primary residence. Reports are that 31,000 plus properties are potentially subject to the new second home tax that Mamdani has put in place. And Buck, I think this is surprising a lot of people. What is it included one, two and three bedroom family homes valued at more than $5 million. Because that's the attention mostly it has gotten. Hey, if you have a property over $5 million and a lot people have said, oh well, that doesn't apply to me. I'm not gonna worry. Tax the rich. Tax the rich. Tax the rich. But also, this is a. Wow, I didn't realize this. If you have a condo or a co op unit, you could speak to this better than me, Buck. But condos and co ops are incredibly common in New York City. If they're valued at a million dollars or more, it's almost impossible to buy a condo at this point. Or a co op to a large extent valued at less than a million dollars. This is staggering. If people are finding out, wait a minute, he's talking about taxing way more people than they publicly Discuss. Because that $5 million number was the one bandied about. I mean, speak to how many people have a million dollar condo that are not particularly wealthy.
Buck Sexton
Well, here you go. The median home price. Are we going to get that guy's like, you're confusing the mean and the median. This is the median. Okay, I'm not saying the mean. The median home price is $1.4 million in Manhattan. Wow. So just, just take it, take that. Now. Yes, it is true that there are 20, 30, 60, 100, $200 million homes. Not that many of them at that level, but there are, there are some. That gives you a sense though of how many of these properties may be covered under this. And this is going to cause problems, by the way. This is a little bit of a, maybe a more specific thing, but it is my understanding that in New York there's something called a co op as well as a condo. So a co op is a cooperative where you own shares in the corporation and then are sort of assigned your unit, if you will, based on your shares in the corporation. Instead of a condo where you own the actual building, or you know, rather own the actual apartment within the building. The department of finance of the mayor's office has informed co ops and there are many, many, many co ops in New York, particularly a lot of the extremely high end buildings in Manhattan and then parts of Brooklyn, like the Heights and stuff like that. They are going to be tasked with Billing and collecting the surcharge from shareholders. So the Mamdani tax is now going to be put on co op boards of different buildings in New York. And they have to say, hey, we know this isn't your primary residence, so we have to collect this tax from you and then send it to the city. By the way, the co op boards don't want to do this, don't want no part of this whatsoever. And now I'm sure they're going because they, they operate almost like a country club. They let people in or don't let them in. And it's very whatever they decide and you know, they can do whatever they want essentially legally, as long as it's legal. Clay, this is going to hurt sales of those units because now they're going to say, well, we can only sell to somebody that we can guarantee is going to be a year round resident or else we have to play Pierre Terror cop for Mondani Momdani. This is nuts.
Clay Travis
Yeah, this is, this is going to be a lot bigger story, I think than people were aware of as more of these details come out because of the number of people that are going to be wrapped up in this. And I would think it's going to be a further impetus for some people to decide, you know what, I just don't want to deal with this at all going forward. Okay. I teased this, Buck. And I did think, you know, we've had some serious discussion with everything going on out there. And I saw this clip and I thought, you know what, we should play this. Joy Reid, who was one of the handful of people who was fired by msnbc. Now Ms. Now because her show was not particularly well watched, particularly intelligent or particularly well done. She said, of course she was fired only because she's a black woman, which. Well, she says, Buck, that Elon Musk is not actually that intelligent. And why in the world do people think he is?
Joy Reid
Listen, you've been spending a decade insisting and telling us Elon Musk is a genius. When you hear him talk, you realize he's actually an idiot. That you keep telling him.
Interviewer
But.
Joy Reid
Yeah, but he invented Tesla. When he didn't, he just bought it. Did you all know the two men who actually invented Tesla is. Two other white dudes invented Tesla. They're geniuses. Elon just bought it and now people think, oh, he's a genius. No, he's not. They're actually inventing a competitor to the Tesla truck, which is, I guarantee you going to be superior to the Tesla truck. The Tesla truck is from what I understand, the first truck Elon Musk actually designed, and it looks like. And it's very bad. It's broken. It's easy to rip it apart. Teslas are terrible. Since he's taken over. It was a great company when it was owned by the other guys, the guys who actually invented Teslas.
Clay Travis
She is such a moron. Buck. Like, it actually makes my head hurt. I mean, first of all, if you want to know the story of Elon Musk, I would encourage you go read the Walter Isaacson biography, which is now several years behind. But it's pretty entertaining. I mean, it walks you through the entire process of Tesla being fired, of Tesla being founded, of all of the challenges that were built into SpaceX. But this whole idea that we're just going to attack someone who is the most successful capitalist in the history of the world, and we're actually going to do it, and claim that he's not only less successful than reality, that there are other people responsible for his success. All these different things. To me, Bucket continues to circle back around to. Democrats just hate success. They hate individual excellence and they don't know how to grapple with it. Because this ties in before Graham Platner was replaced, I believe, by Troy Jackson in Maine, Graham Platner tweeted, let's hope that Elon Musk is the last trillionaire. And I think that was such a perfect distillation of Democrat worldview. You and I, I think it's fair to say, want there to be a thousand more trillionaires, because if there are Americans who become trillionaires, the entire country is benefiting enormously from the wealth that's being unlocked.
Buck Sexton
We go back to the wealth versus status paradigm here. The country is getting richer. I know we have a big debt. I know that things are expensive right now, but I mean, in. In real terms, we are, because of productivity, technology, efficiency, discovery. We are becoming wealthier all the time as a people. That is true of humanity. It is true of Americans specifically. But there are a lot of people who. What is. You know, you look at Clay, the data on marriages, you know, the primary source of friction in marriages. Money.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
The primary anxiety that most adult Americans have. If you were to just look at the numbers. Money. How do I pay for this stuff? How am I doing? How much stress am I under because of this? You've basically lived as an adult with no money. I've lived as an adult with no money. It is stressful, that is for sure. But neither you nor I ever took the opinion that somebody else paying more or somebody else being treated like their success wasn't valid was somehow going to improve your life or mine. Unfortunately, Democrats, the politics for. For Democrats, the politics of envy, the politics of you have too much, and I feel like I should have more. Very powerful. There are a lot of people, and like I said, one of my favorite words is accountability because it solves so much. You know, the second that you. The second that you remove accountability, anything bad can happen. And the second you have accountability, lots of great things can happen. Right. People don't like to think that their situation is the result of decisions and habits that they have made one way or the other. If they're unhappy with where they are. A lot of people listen to this right now, whether they live a very modest life or they're, you know, listening to us on. On the private jet, I guess, probably with Elon's, you know, satellite.
Clay Travis
Starlink, Starlink.
Buck Sexton
Thank you, Starlink. Letting him listen to a stream. But, Clay, we don't take the. We don't take the point of view that the success of other people somehow dampens our success. And a lot of people don't want to be held accountable for their own decisions. And it's incredibly powerful politics. Get a lot of votes this way, promise people free stuff, tell them nothing's their fault. That's really. I mean, when you say about the Grand Platner and the trillionaire, that's really true. Are there real problems? Yeah. Housing is too expensive. And that's a policy decision, not a market decision that has pushed a lot of that policy with borders policy with rates, policies going back a long way. That's something.
Clay Travis
With not allowing new homes to be built affordably. Regulation, absolutely.
Buck Sexton
Out there, a lot of. So. So I'm not pretending like it's a fair. You know, by the way, life is not fair. Like, there's nothing that's totally fair. You try to set reasonable rules of the road and you create a situation where the most people can succeed in the greatest possible way. And success is very much, you know, an individual game, meaning, you know, some people are very happy being. You know, I went to college, Clay, with. Sorry, it's going to sound like a huge diversion, but I went to college with a really nice young gal who always had such a great attitude. And she was an athlete, and she married a guy. I think she was on the lacrosse team. And he was on the lacrosse team, men's and women's. Not like trying to switch, you know, not a men on the women's Lacrosse team. And they went off and they taught at like boarding school together. And they had like three kids. And I'm sure they like led the really nice grade. They're not millionaires.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
You know what I mean? And they're very happy people. Like, there are a lot of ways to be really happy. But you see the Graham Platner and the Mamdani and the, you know, name it. The effect. People who are unhappy with their lives because of either their perception of how great everything is for everybody else or, or their perception of how rigged this is the victim complex, how rigged the game is against them. They want to be told that if we just tax the, if we just put the Mamdani tax into effect, groceries aren't going to be expensive anymore.
Clay Travis
Well, and this is why the data that came out recently that we talked about last week, the group that is actually the most likely to vote Democrat are highly educated, low income individuals because they're resentful. They went to school, they got their advanced degree, and they look around and they say, wait a minute, why did I go to school for 10 years to get this degree? It cost me several hundred thousand dollars and I'm only making $50,000 a year. Society must be broken because society is not valuing me as highly as I should be based on the educational degrees that I have.
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Clay Travis
And therefore they lean into socialism.
Buck Sexton
And the guy in their class who maybe just started an H VAC company and now has four different locations and is clearing a few million dollars a year and is voting Trump. They hate that guy. Yes, they hate that guy.
Clay Travis
Probably not the guy in their class. Maybe the guy in their high school
Buck Sexton
who didn't go on to get the high school class.
Clay Travis
High school class, like didn't go on to get the advanced degree. He started working. He's killing it. And, and they're looking around saying, why can't I afford the things that I want? Society's broken because this is, I think, a bigger thing.
Buck Sexton
You know, we talk about, we talk about the gender studies majors and all this stuff, but we, we. When you and I were in college, college branding really was sold to us as this is your ticket to everything amazing and successful and great in life. And that mirage has really evaporated.
Clay Travis
I think that's true.
Buck Sexton
And that's been a huge thing. You've had. The credentialed class has.
Caller Jeff
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
Obviously, if you go to Harvard Law, if you go to, you know, if you go to Wharton, although MBAs are really getting rough these days. But you know, if you go to some of these extremely elite places. Of course there's recruiting. It opens doors. But having a. Having a MA Let me ask you, you have a master's? I was offered a master's degree to go to Georgetown, Clay, while I was still a government employee, with the idea that it was like a vacation for me, like the government was going to pay for it, and I was going to get to hang out and like, you know, read books for two years. Are you impressed? Whenever you just hear someone has a master's, I mean. No, I'm not.
Caller Randy
No.
Clay Travis
I mean, look, I mean, ultimately, it reminds me of the great story I heard I did. Some of you will remember the legendary. He was a great guy. He's passed recently. Frank Wycheck. He was a really talented tight end for the Tennessee Titans. And one of his favorite things to say whenever people would post really impressive athletic achievements at the combine was, sure, but can they use it? Meaning you could be super strong, but can you use that strength to propel yourself to have success in. In football, the strongest guys don't have the most success. Can you use it? That's the number one question I have about any educational background piece at this
Buck Sexton
point of IQ too.
Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
There's tons of reports out there that you can all read about the way that the media praised Foushee and defended him. And if you wonder, what was that coverage like back in the day, this is a great media montage of the lackeys out there who carried water for Fauci fawning all over him as a part of their interviews. Remember, these are supposed to be news, investigative journalists and whatnot.
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Cut for the single most respected voice in the pandemic.
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It's Dr. Anthony Fauci, the man who's
Caller or Host
become known as America's doctor, the nation's
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top infectious disease expert, Anthony Fauci.
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You are seen to many as a superhero. Dr. Anthony Fauci, American hero.
Interviewer
You've done so much for this country in terms of this crisis. So I really appreciate your insight.
Buck Sexton
Who better to give us answers that we can trust than Dr. Anthony Fauci?
Interviewer
Perfect person to answer our questions today. Joining us now, Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Buck Sexton
We are so grateful to you, Dr. Fauci, for everything you do.
Interviewer
Thank you so much for everything you do. Thank you very much for everything that you do.
Clay Travis
Thanks so much for the work that you do.
Interviewer
Thank you very much for the reassurance and as always for all of your public service. Thank you, Dr. Fauci. Thank you for all your guidance this past year and it's greatly appreciated.
Clay Travis
We need people to continue to have faith in science.
Buck Sexton
So thank you for your time, sir.
Clay Travis
Thank you for being straight with us. Thank you for being able to come on. You will always have this show as a platform, sir.
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It's good enough for you, sir. It's good enough for me and my family.
Buck Sexton
There you go. Check it. Straight into my veins, Clay. Straight into my vein. Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We'll get to a bunch of your talkbacks and calls here shortly. Love hearing from all of you also on the live stream. Stream, everybody. We're gonna be doing some YouTube special stuff for you as well. We are in video with all of you now and you can check us out there and it's a lot of fun when you do. So, Clay, you have been very on this. To your credit, the political implications, the broader political implications of this Democratic Party Senate primary in Michigan just to set the table for a second here. And then Clay is going to take us on a wild ride through his analysis. You have Abdul Syed, he's the real left wing candidate here. He is centering his whole thing on Medicare for all, housing affordability, unions, of course, Michigan, that makes sense and is very critical of Israel. Not a big surprise that a candidate Abdul Al said would have some issues with Israel. And I'm just saying I think that,
Clay Travis
yeah, I think that's fair, right? Yeah, that's very.
Buck Sexton
I'm just gonna, I think we just say it out loud and then Haley Stevens, oh gosh, don't you know, she's a more center left ish. She's a rep from the Oakland county area of Michigan and she's more of like the old school Democrat on manufacturing, auto industry chips. She's about, you know, commerce and unions and that kind of stuff, protecting Social Security, Medicare. Clay, what do you make of this?
Clay Travis
Yeah, so I think this is maybe the most important Senate race right now. That's going to exist anywhere in the country. And we're going to get a really good read on whether the crazy Democrat socialism of Mamdani, which won three congressional seats in New York and an additional one in Colorado, is also going to work in a purple state like Michigan. So last night there was a Democrat Senate primary debate between Haley Stevens and Abdul El Sayed. Now, as we are speaking to you, this is a two person race. It's going to be decided on Tuesday, one week from today. And right now the markets are telling us that Abdul El Sayed is most likely to win. And I will give you those, those markets here as I am speaking. Abdul Al Sayed. Abdul El Sayed, 75% chance he wins. Haley Stevens, 29% chance she wins. So she's the underdog right now. But I want to let you guys listen and then I want to share some polling that came out earlier today that suggest why this could be so important. First of all, I think we have a couple of cuts just to give you an idea of how much difference there is just in tone between these two.
Abdul El-Sayed
Listen, I'm just saying that I do the thing that I say I'm going to do. I don't think ICE needs to exist for the better part of our country's history. We did not have an ice. And I think we can do a much better job when it comes to immigration without one. And here's the last thing I just want to say about this. When it comes to the question of immigration, we need Democrats who are going to stand up and actually talk about the great good that immigration has done for our country in the first place. The idea that somehow we can't say abolish ICE because we're so afraid of what they're going to say when we've seen ICE terrorize people in our streets, to me is exactly the kind of cowardice that we don't need from Democrats. So yeah, I'm going to take the bullhorn and I'm going to say that I think we need to abolish ICE because I am not afraid of what they're going to say about me.
Clay Travis
Okay, Buck, I think in Michigan, a candidates saying I'm on the abolish ICE train is going to be a hard sell. Now also, Abdul El Sayed is feuding this. That won't surprise anyone out there with John Fetterman because Fetterman is too supportive of Israel's right to defend itself and frankly exist. Here is him calling John Fetterman an ogre. Cut 27. This is last night's debate.
Caller or Host
Earlier this week, we heard that there was some kind of a zoom call in which you had referenced an opponent as ogre on a pike. And so many people took offense to that. And it really pointed to the bigger question about the tone and tenor that you've been accused of having in this campaign. Do you regret any of the comments that you've made? And do you think that this race could take a more productive and a more substantive tone if we kept those personal slams out?
Abdul El-Sayed
Look, I took to Twitter last week and said that the tone in which people talk about my opponent is unkind. And I asked anybody who supported me to not talk about her that way. In fact, when she got booed on the stage at the Michigan Democratic Party convention, I called her personally and said that that was unkind. My supporters had nothing to do with it.
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Clay Travis
Okay, Buck, so Abdul EL Sayed favored to run and win Tuesday. If he.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, I was going to say he's. He's way. Just real quick, Clay, I just pulled the poll. He's way ahead in the polls compared to Stevens.
Caller Randy
It is.
Clay Travis
And their early voting has already started in Michigan. All of these things. Mike Rogers in a poll that came out, I believe early this morning or late last night, Mike Rogers was up 10 points on him. This is a Democrat Senate seat. If Mike Rogers wins in Michigan, there is no math really under which Democrats could take back control of the Senate. So this is honestly maybe the most important seat because if Republicans could flip an existing Democrat held seat, the incumbent is not running, then the Senate's going to be in control of Republican hands. And I think Abdul EL Sayed is going to win. And we've got a lot of listeners in the state of Michigan. My wife is from there. Haley Stevens is from Oakland County. I think you mentioned that, Buck. That's where I got married. That's where my wife went to high school. Just north of Michigan, just north of Detroit in southeastern Michigan. This is going to be a big deal. And I don't know that people are paying enough attention to it. Tuesday is the election. On Wednesday we're going to come on and potentially Michigan is going to be completely and utterly in place, going to be close no matter what. Because Mike Rogers lost by 15,000 votes in 2024. The closest Senate race out there I believe ended up being, this is going to be one that, that, that is going to move right to the top of the target list. And I think Abdul El Sayed, this far left winger, is going to end up being the nominee. It's worth paying attention to. It's going to be an important message being sent. Same thing. By the way, Buck is happening in Wisconsin where they are Democrats are about to nominate a crazy left wing woman who called to abolish police, who wants to abolish ice. These are toss up purple states. I think Democrats potentially are overreaching and putting people in who are not electable in some of these states. We'll see. But while trend lines may be somewhat favorable to them as the party out of power for the midterms, they're making some pretty radical choices.
Buck Sexton
Well, this would all be great for Republicans though, assuming that the numbers that are coming out about the polling are accurate and assuming that these extremely hard left candidates aren't able to pull off winning the Senate seat. I never assume any of these things, but there's some pretty good indicators right now that it could be going in that direction. So I think that that goes in the positive column. So, Clay, you're basically right now, you're a big Abdul Al Sayed fan. You're like, go outside, look.
Clay Travis
Yeah, they have an open primary in Michigan. I think John James is going to be the nominee for governor. We need to get him on again soon. He's a great candidate. Mike Rogers is definitely going to be the nominee for the Senate. The best thing that could happen for national Republicans in my opinion is Abdul El Sayed wins on Tuesday. So if I could pick a primary winner for the Democrat Party, he would be my number one draft pick because I think it's going to be very hard to get him elected in Michigan. So that happens.
Buck Sexton
Speaking of Michigan, Trump was there last night and he said something I thought was interesting, Clay, going into the midterms, I recall in 2018, the issue that was singled out as the primary. Now of course there was the effort, the unsuccessful effort to fully repeal Obamacare didn't happen. They kind of did what they call a skinny repeal and they got rid of the tax on the, you know, so, so they did some, they, they, they trimmed the hedges a bit, but they didn't rip it out root and branch, Trump said last night. And then healthcare was a big thing in the midterms in 2018 and did not go well for Republicans. Trump talked last night about a great health care plan. And he said, in fact, that is the name plate 15 we will pass
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Buck Sexton
Have we heard about this before? Are we up on this? This is, it seems like kind of a big deal. The great health care plan. Okay, it's almost August. What's going on?
Clay Travis
I think to a large extent, Trump is talking about the Trump RX prescription plans that he has put in place which allow people to find a lot cheaper products. If you go on there, including for some people, the GLP1s, there's an expansion in affordability that has occurred on a variety of different drugs. I would just tell people to go to TrumpRx. I think it's TrumpRx.com something like that, that lets people know what the overall impact can be when it comes to costs for drugs.
Buck Sexton
Well, I just wanted to note that there are some core elements that the White House has shared from their fact sheet on this. And Clay got right into, into point one, which is lowering drug prices. So, and that's expanding access to verified safe prescription drugs, et cetera. And also then on the trade deal aspect of this most favored nation deal, so Americans pay what other developed countries. Lowering insurance premiums. That's what Trump seemed to be talking about there as well. And then holding insurers accountable and transparency. I would just note this isn't a, this isn't a bill or a ready to. It's more of a framework for discussion or maybe maybe a set of core principles that the administration's pursuing on health care.
Clay Travis
I think that's right. I mean, look, there's an overall goal, if you want me to be super positive about this, which I tried to do, we've talked about this. I do think that GLP1s can drive down the overall cost of health care. It is also the case that when other countries are paying a fraction for the exact same drug, remember there used to be a lot more discussion about this. People would go to Mexico or they'd go to Canada. You drive across the border and you buy just off the, off the rack, whatever prices are there, same exact drugs as we pay an infinitely more for. I think they're trying to fix what feels to many like a broken system when it comes to prescription drugs.
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Clay Travis
We got a series of talk backs. Let's run through some of these as well as a couple of callers. Jeff in Texas, fire away.
Caller Jeff
Playing Buck. I'm just wondering if Trump does get impeached by the the House, if it's run by Democrats, what if he just said, this is garbage. I am not wasting my time with this. Take a hike. I'm continuing to be president and go away and doesn't show up, doesn't respond and just continues on.
Clay Travis
I, I think, Buck, that that's likely to some extent what he would be, what he does.
Buck Sexton
Yeah.
Clay Travis
The problem is you still have to have a trial in the Senate. You still have to have a verdict. It takes months of process. And I think, again, their goal is not to necessarily punish Trump. It's just to ensure that nothing can get passed. So in that way, if they run out the clock, that's a huge part of what they're trying to do.
Buck Sexton
It's another way, as we say, fam, the process is the punishment.
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Yes, indeed. Let's see. We got a couple of callers. Randy and Knoxville, fire away.
Caller Randy
Hey, mega dittos, guys. Hey, Clay. As a lawyer, I'd heard that they said since Fauci has already been pardoned from all of this Covid stuff, that he can't use the Fifth Amendment because he already has immunity. So he's going to be required to answer the questions or else be in contempt of Congress.
Clay Travis
I don't think that's true. Thank you. I've heard that argument. Again, if I were Fauci's lawyer, I would say take the fifth on everything and we'll let this go all the way into the courts. He's 85 years old. It takes forever. What's a judge going to say? I just think that's unlikely, that he would be held in contempt over it.
Buck Sexton
Although in a sense, Clay Foushee here is Colonel Nathan R. Jessup, United States Marine Corps, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. And Rand Paul is Tom Cruise, whatever his name was in the movie, trying to get Fauci to just out of pure ego, throw down over this stuff. Yes, that's really what it'll come down to.
Clay Travis
And by the way, I'm actually curious to see how it goes. I, I don't know that you heard Alex Berenson say too. I don't think anyone who tells you know exactly how this is going to play out is being truthful, because I don't have any clue. I don't think anybody does. Paul in Alabama,
Caller Paul
I don't get why if, if they get the all three, the House Senate presidency, they can do whatever, but how come we have all three right now and it seems like they're still able to block him at every turn? I don't understand how, if they get control, all of sudden, they're just going to be able to run wild? But why aren't we in control when we have it right now like that? I'm lost.
Caller Jeff
It makes no sense.
Buck Sexton
There's an answer here, but it's complicated and that's never fun because there's a lot of different pieces. Say I'll say this, Clay, and you fill in whatever you think could be filled in with the time we have left. One, they're going to get rid of the filibuster is the assumption, which means that now you'd only need a simple majority in the Senate when and if the Democrats get that simple majority. And the other thing is Trump actually has gotten a lot. We have gotten a lot of things through and done. Don't, don't discount that. But there's a lot of gridlock in government. What say you, sir?
Clay Travis
I think Democrats are often more committed to the cause than Republicans are. There's a lot of Republicans who stand, it seems to me, on policy and history over power.
Buck Sexton
It's tough to play chicken with civilizational kamikaze. You know what I mean? How are you going to. They'll just, they'll just keep the foot on the accelerator. They don't care.
Clay Travis
We'll get some more of this tomorrow. Get up early in the morning, get your popcorn. We'll see what happens with Fauci. I'm genuinely fascinated to see how this is going to go. 8:30am Buck, you might be out tomorrow. You'll be back with us on Thursday. Yeah, we'll see.
Buck Sexton
I might be out tomorrow tbd, but I will miss you if that's the case. And I'll be back Thursday and more coming up tomorrow, so it'll be amazing.
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