Hour 3 - Experience Matters

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 – Experience Matters
Date: October 24, 2025
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Episode Overview

This final hour of the week dives into current events and hot topics in national news, especially politics and the economy, with trademark intelligence, wit, and energetic audience interaction. The hosts react to breaking legal and political news (including Letitia James’ indictment and the latest endorsements in the NYC mayoral race), riff on economic headlines, discuss the impact of AI on the job market, and field listener calls on everything from the 1980s music to unemployment struggles. The show balances information with humor, pop culture tangents, motivational advice, and playful music takes, making dense issues both accessible and engaging.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Positive Economic Indicators

[02:13]

• Clay opens with optimism about the stock market reaching record highs, inflation being lower than expected, lower mortgage rates, and gas prices at a four-year low.
• Emphasizes there are “many different, very positive stories out there.”

2. Letitia James Indictment & Reactions

[03:32 – 06:14]

• Clay reports on New York AG Letitia James being indicted in Northern Virginia on mortgage fraud charges and plays clips of her public statement.
• Quotes:
  • “This is not about me, about all of us, and about a justice system which has been weaponized. A justice system which has been used as a tool of revenge.” – Letitia James [03:32]
  • “No fear today… Because I believe that justice will rain down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.” – Letitia James [04:18]
• Buck questions her rhetoric, saying she didn’t directly deny the charges:
  • “Did you do the thing the prosecutor says you did?...As a person who is prosecuting other people for that same act, you should be held accountable for doing that thing.” [05:06]
  • Suggests the case exposes “weaponized” justice and the perception of partisanship in prosecutions tied to Trump.

3. New York City Politics: Mamdani’s Rise and Democratic Tensions

[06:14 – 11:48]

• Clay breaks news that Hakeem Jeffries (House Minority Leader) finally endorsed candidate Mamdani for NYC mayor, signaling a shift in Democratic Party dynamics.
  • Mamdani, a far-left figure, upset Andrew Cuomo in the primary, making establishment Dems nervous.
• Buck critiques Mamdani's policies, arguing that his ideas for affordability would worsen the city's problems:
  • “His baseline idea that he’s going to make the city more affordable involves doing things that make the city less affordable... The more market-based it is, the more efficient it will become, and the lower the prices are.” [08:02]
  • Cites past resistance to federal zoning reform as evidence that affluent liberals balk at the implications of low-income housing in their neighborhoods.
  • Highlights tax base flight: “1% of NYC residents pay 50% of the taxes... you don't have to lose a lot of people to blow a big hole in the NYC budget.” [11:48]
• Clay nods to migration: "Then that money moves to states like Florida, Tennessee, Texas. It's a virtuous circle..." [11:48]

4. Listener Calls: Politics and Grit

[12:24 – 15:37]

• Listeners push back on Clay's suggestion that Curtis Sliwa should drop out of the mayoral race in favor of a stronger challenger to Mamdani.
  • “You play to win the game. And if it gives Cuomo a 2% extra chance of winning, Cuomo you play to win the game.” – Joe in LA [12:53]
  • “If you don’t fight because you think you're gonna lose, then everybody is going to take advantage of you. You fight. Win or lose, you fight.” – Richard in Spokane [13:21]
• Clay and Buck draw inspiration from sports, notably the "Miracle on Ice" (1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team).
  • Lighthearted jab about mistakenly calling it a soccer team, leading to playful host banter. [15:21]
• Odds update: Mamdani at a 93% chance to win, Cuomo 5%, Curtis Sliwa 0.5% (with the possibility of a huge upset bet). [14:53]

5. Pop Culture & Playful Segments

[15:37 – 16:40]

• Tangent about the World Cup and Donald Trump possibly attending or commentating the games.
  • “Trump doing play by play for soccer, I think would be a great boon for the World Cup.” – Buck [16:13]
• Brief self-promotion: Buck discusses his investment and politics newsletter, Money and Power, and its focus on AI, Trump policy, and actionable insights. [16:40]

6. The Job Market, AI Disruption, and Career Advice

[21:22 – 36:57]

• Caller Christy from Utah, an HR professional, highlights intense job competition and long-term unemployment even for highly qualified candidates.
  • “The job market is insane. There are people who’ve been out of work for like a year, two years…One job post gets like 200 responses in a day.” – Christy [21:40]
• Clay and Buck’s analysis:
  • AI is having a major impact on white-collar (upper-middle-class) jobs, not manual or blue-collar work.
    • “There are certain jobs…plumber, roofer…AI isn’t taking away those jobs. I think there are a lot of thought-related, so-called white-collar jobs that companies just aren’t filling right now because they don’t know how fast AI is going to advance.” – Clay [24:30]
  • Predictions that professions like law, consulting, and investment banking are at risk. Routine analysis is already being automated. [25:50]
  • Buck: “It’s an enormous efficiency tool for bureaucratic and paper-shuffling kind of work…You can upload 100,000 pages…and it will give you every citation you’re looking for in a couple of minutes.” [28:24]
  • Both hosts reminisce and joke about “Clueless” (the movie), pop culture, and famous unaging actors like Paul Rudd. [27:10]
  • Work advice: Don’t just submit resumes online; build relationships and network directly with people to find opportunities.
    • “People get jobs from other people. You actually don’t get a job from an email inbox. Always remember that.” – Buck [35:58]
  • Big-picture reflection: AI may soon render many traditional jobs obsolete, potentially even leading to a future where jobs are optional.
    • “Elon has come out and said we’re rapidly advancing to a world where having a job will be like growing your own produce…It’s not going to be the standard.” – Clay [31:35]
    • Naval Ravikant’s “wealth vs. status” distinction: As AI brings material abundance, fulfillment may rely on faith, purpose, and community, not just wealth. [32:24]
    • “Material things may get really boring soon because everyone’s going to have their material needs met.” – Buck [34:27]
    • Motivational closer: “Keep your head up. I’ve been fired multiple times…I know how stressful the process is. We hope you find employment sooner rather than later.” – Clay [35:12]

7. Listener Engagement: Music of the 1980s

[41:23 – 44:39]

• Music debate: Listeners critique Clay’s lack of 1980s music knowledge and offer their picks for best songs of the era.
  • Toto’s “Africa,” “Eye of the Tiger,” “Danger Zone” from Top Gun, and Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believing” are highlighted.
  • “Africa by Toto…every time I hear it on the radio station, I just smile. It’s a great song.” – Gigi from Tampa [42:08]
  • “How could you not pick Eye of the Tiger for one of the greatest songs of the 80s?” – JJ James from Nashville [43:46]
• Buck and Clay react in good humor, with Clay confessing music is not his strong suit.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Did you do the thing that the prosecutor says you did?” – Buck Sexton, calling out Letitia James’ evasive response [05:06]
• “It’s not that it won’t work. It will work to make the city less affordable.” – Buck Sexton, on Mamdani’s affordable housing plans [08:02]
• “If you don’t fight because you think you're gonna lose, then everybody is going to take advantage of you.” – Listener Richard, the ex-con, on political grit [13:21]
• “People get jobs from other people. You actually don’t get a job from an email inbox. Always remember that.” – Buck Sexton [35:58]
• “Material things may get really boring soon because everyone's going to have their material needs met.” – Buck Sexton [34:27]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening optimism on economy: [02:13]
• Letitia James indictment & response: [03:32 – 06:14]
• NYC politics, Mamdani’s endorsement, and party tensions: [06:14 – 11:48]
• Listener calls on Sliwa and political fighting spirit: [12:24 – 15:37]
• Sports/political odds/World Cup banter: [15:37 – 16:40]
• Job market & impact of AI, practical advice: [21:22 – 36:57]
• Listener debate on 1980s music: [41:23 – 44:39]

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Tone & Style

• Witty, conversational, and opinionated, balancing sharp political commentary with playful banter and pop-culture detours.
• Encouraging and empathetic, especially towards those facing employment challenges.
• Open to audience participation and ready to engage with criticism and feedback.

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For listeners who missed this episode: Expect insightful analysis of the week’s biggest political and economic issues, thoughtful commentary on the future of work, and plenty of laughs from both the hosts and engaged callers. The episode stands out for its frankness about the personal impact of economic trends and its blend of hard news, personal stories, pop culture, and interactive audience moments.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Welcome back in hour number three, last hour of the week. 14 hours up. We are now rolling into the 15th hour and we thank all of you for listening to us. Positive news as we started off the show. All time record highs in the S&P 500, in the Dow Jones in the Nasdaq as inflation has come in lower than expected and as mortgage rates are hitting a new low for the year on both the 30 year and the 15 year. And as gas prices hit a four year low going all the way back to 2021, there are many different, very positive stories out there. We will get to a lot of your talkbacks and they are of a variety of different perspectives. Have some fun here in the final hour of this week. But I wanted to update you on one of the law related issues that we are currently facing in the country, and that is Letitia James, having been indicted by a grand jury in Northern Virginia, has shown up and pled not guilty in Northern Virginia today. These were some of her comments. Let's start with cut 33.

[Clay Travis]

This is not about me, about all of us, and about a justice system which has been weaponized. A justice system which has been been used as a tool of revenge. This justice system which has been used as a tool of revenge and a weapon against those individuals who simply did their job and who stood up for the rule of law. And a justice system which unfortunately is nothing being used as a vehicle of retribution.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I mean, a lot of claptrap there. Here is a bit more. No fear today says Letitia James after pleading not guilty on her mortgage fraud charges.

[Clay Travis]

I have this belief in the justice system and the rule of law and I have a job and I have a belief in America and all of its individuals who have stood with me, not only in New York, but all across this nation. I've heard from just about every jurisdiction in this nation who have said something stand up and be tall and never ever cow down or back down or break or bend. So there's no fear today. No fear. No fear. No fear. No fear. Because I believe that justice will rain down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, you know what's missing, Clay? Did you do the thing that the prosecutor says you did? Everything that she's talking about is like a campaign speech. This is not about me. This is about you. No, it's actually about you. I think this is very straightforward. Did you do the thing that the prosecution says you did? As a person who is prosecuting other people for that same act, you should be held accountable for doing that thing. Otherwise we have a people who hate Trump don't get prosecuted and people who like Trump get prosecuted even if they did nothing wrong. Standard, which is what we've been going through for recent, in recent years, including the president himself, of course, most notably. So this should be very, you know, very easy, very obvious. Did you do the thing that they say you did? And she's not seeming to claim that she didn't in any of this. She's just saying that this is about the broader justice system and all this other stuff. Well, we'll see about that.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

So that is one bit of news. Another bit of news out there is that we now have, Buck an endorsement of Mamdani by Hakeem Jeffries, the minority leader in the House of Representatives. He had avoided, to this point doing that endorsement. He has just sent an endorsement to the New York Times, which has just published it in the last few minutes. So as we sit here, roughly, what, 10 days out or so from the New York City mayor's race, with early voting officially beginning tomorrow, this is basically the last possible moment we mentioned this. Eric Adams has endorsed Queen Cuomo. Curtis Sliwa, according to producer Ali, has agreed that he will come on the show next week. So at some point next week, as we move closer to the official Election Day, Curtis Lewa will make his case. So far, Andrew Cuomo has still refused to come on the program. And I'm assuming mom Donnie would refuse to come on the program, but I guess we could invite him, too. This is, I think this is important because, Buck, you're a New York City kid born and bred. Ultimately, I think all of the controversies that we have right now, the shutdown, the uncertainty as to when the government is going to open back up, I think a lot of it is rooted in Mamdani roiling the waters of the New York Democrat Party and getting Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer very nervous about their own futures in the New York Democratic Party. Based on Mamdani coming from nowhere and winning as a far left wing nominee and, and shocking a lot of people when he bought. When he beat Andrew Cuomo in the primary.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I'm sorry, I thought you're calling for a clip there. I would say mom Donnie Mamdani is going to do some of the things that he says. So that's concerning. And I would say that Mamdani is going to be incapable of moving on some of the other things that he's working on or that he says he wants to work on. So it will. He will be limited by his inefficiency. But overall, his whole baseline idea that he's going to make the city more affordable involves doing things that make the city less affordable. This is the little. This is what I meant when I, when I said, oh, they want to make us safer by taking away AR15s. Arkansas 15s are not the problem for public safety anywhere in the country. For that matter. It's just they want to have an excuse to do something else politically and they use safety as a prop in that whole dance. The reality here with Mamdani is making the city more affordable would require doing things that they simply do not want to do, like less government regulation of rent, easier make it more profitable and easier for developers to come in and to build housing. I mean this, the more market based it is, the more efficient it will become. And the more efficient it becomes, the lower the prices are. This is the fundamental flaw in all of the logic from Momdaniism, which is why we call him a commie. He seems to think that all of the disruptions and the distortions that exist in the New York City housing market are the result of just fat cats and people who don't care about the poor and all this emotional stuff, when the reality is that it's people like him that have made the situation as bad as it is. It's people that think that if only, you know, here's just one example, they'll say, oh, we're going to build all these affordable housing units. Okay, who wants to live next to these affordable housing units? Not only who wants to live in them, but who wants to live next to them? Who wants to have that massive construction going on that will then be filled with people who are paying effectively nothing to live there? Right. This is another issue that never gets addressed by these individuals. This is why when they tried for a while under the Obama administration to attack zoning, and that sounds like a really boring thing, but it's actually a really big thing, zoning at the state level in places like New York, so that you would have affluent communities like Chappaqua would all of a sudden have to have a lot of low income housing within their town limits. Oh, even the Democrats freaked out on that one. Oh, yeah. All of a sudden. All of a sudden you had Hillary and Obama voters who were like, whoa, I don't want, I don't want that low income housing in my area. The market is the only thing that will really effectively address the housing shortage, the housing issue. You know, in a place like Florida, people might say, well, why? Why is there a housing shortage in Florida? Well, it's because so many people moved here so quickly and now they're trying to keep up with demand, but they are building rapidly. One of the problems is they don't have enough people to build this stuff. Right. But the market will take care of this because people have to pay more to get the houses done. More people will go into Building. I mean, this is how it actually works. So just everything that Mamdani says he's going to do for the city on affordability is. It's not that it won't work. It will work to make the city less affordable. And that's. And also when you start to Clay, have people leaving who are the high income earners. 1% of New York City residents pay 50% of the taxes. So you don't have to lose a lot of people to start to blow a big hole in the New York City budget.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

No doubt. And by the way, then that money moves to states like Florida, Tennessee and Texas. And it's a virtuous circle because all of the services get better there. As you pointed out, Florida has what most people would consider to be better government than New York. And it costs half as much. People are still mad at me for saying, Curtis Lee, what should drop out? Given that it's Friday, let's hit some of those talk backs. Buck, beginning with Curtis is going to.

[Buck Sexton]

Join us next week, everybody. Just so you know, that's our.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

But he's going to come on.

[Buck Sexton]

We're figuring out the day, but he's going to join us. And I, I'm looking forward to that conversation. I think Curtis and Clay are going to be great friends.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Joe in LA at K E I B Radio, he's got to take bb.

[Buck Sexton]

I agree with all these guys criticizing Clay, telling Sliwa to drop out. Clay would have probably had the US.

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[Buck Sexton]

Instead of playing the Russians. As Herm Edwards once said, the great football coach, you play to win the game. And if it gives Cuomo a 2%.

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[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

To win the game. Richard in Spokane, we said we had a great audience in Spokane, Washington. Some of the same people on the Pacific Northwest listening to us right now at Newsradio 5 90K Q&T. He says this, CC, I did 17 years in the joint. If you don't fight because you think you're gonna lose, then everybody is going.

[Buck Sexton]

To take advantage of you.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

You fight. Win or lose, you fight. So, yeah, you're wrong. Sliwa needs to stay in and be a fighter. Seventeen years in prison, Buck. I mean, that's a, that's gotta be a tough ride.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I'll tell you this. A lot of the sleep with fans out there basically telling you, Clay, every man dies. Not every man really lives. You know, they want to go. They want to go with their shield or on it. You know, they're they're not looking to do anything other than take this to the mat, take it all the way. Even invoking the great American hockey win in the movie Miracle against the Russians, which even I have seen because producer Mark was so appalled that I had not seen that movie.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I Tying this all full circle Monday in New York City, I helped raise money with our friend Frank Siller and tunnel the towers. Among the objects auctioned off Buck a 1980 U.S. men's soccer team autographed jersey by one of the members of that team. Maybe Curtis Lewa can hang it on his wall. I will point out as I am speaking to all of you and as the election begins tomorrow, according to the gambling markets Mamdani, 93% chance of winning. By the way, this is with $281 million bet on. On the marketplace right now.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, is, is, is the mafia rigging this one too, Clay? I don't know.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

You know, 93% chance. Quake, Cuomo, 5% chance, Curtis Lee. What less. He's got a 0.5% chance. All right, so if right now you bet on him, you can get Curtis Lewa to win this race at 200 to 1, that means you put down a dollar, you get back 200. So that is absolutely bonkers. Did I say that? Soccer instead of hockey?

[Buck Sexton]

I thought I said hockey. I didn't say soccer.

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[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I don't know. Somebody's correcting us.

[Buck Sexton]

I knew it was hockey. That's a cocktail.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I think we both is a hockey super fan. I don't know. Producer Greg is. Is lighting us up saying that we. One of us said soccer. I mean, I think we said hockey. We know it was 1980.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, he's saying. He's saying that you. You said it. So I'm okay with that as long as it's not my fault.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Hockey. Apologies. The World Cup's coming up this summer, by the way. Should be fun for soccer fans out there. Buck's a big soccer guy.

[Buck Sexton]

I do like soccer. It's one of my least American traits. You know, my most un American traits is I enjoy. I enjoy watching soccer.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I think it's going to be awesome. In the US they got the draw coming up in December at the Kennedy center, which President Trump probably, I would bet, will show up to be a part of, which should be very cool in early December to find out when the games are and how it gets set up.

[Buck Sexton]

I think Trump should. He should do. He should do the play by play for a game. Like he passed the ball. He passed the ball. To somebody else. Another pass. A beautiful pass. Another pass. Maybe there'll be a goal at some point. You know, Trump doing play by play for soccer, I think would be a great boon for the World Cup.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

It would be very, very fun. I don't disagree. I don't disagree at all about that.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Fireworks in the fourth quarter.

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Then in week 11, Jayden Daniels and the Commanders touchdown once again. Face Tua and the Dolphins in Madrid. Snooze off. Game on. It's Sunday morning football. Football continues November 9th at 9:30 Eastern only on NFL Network.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We'll get some calls and also in a few minutes we'll talk to you about these cartel strikes that have been happening. The US has been blowing up drug boats in international waters in the Caribbean, boats that have been leaving Venezuela. But we have Christy in Utah wants to chat with us. What's going on?

[Caller Christy]

Christy, hi. I actually called a few weeks ago. I'm the conservative HR person who suggested that you add hot chocolate to your Crockett coffee.

[Buck Sexton]

We are trying. We've had discussions about this. We like that idea. But what else is on your mind, Christy?

[Caller Christy]

So I don't know, I just, I wanted to talk about the economy. I don't know if you guys know this, but there's. I'm, I support most of what's going on but honestly, the job market is insane. There are people who've been out of work for like a year, two years, like LinkedIn is flooded with people in all kinds of different fields that have been looking for work and you know, one job post goes up and it gets like 200 responses in a day. So they have to take it down. My, my job was eliminated in July, so that's how I'm seeing this. So I want to get your guys take on this because there are a lot of qualified people out of work right now.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Thank you for the call. We can talk about this. No, Christie, we appreciate your call and good luck on the job search. Where are you?

[Caller Christy]

I'm in Utah.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Alright, so tag us at Clay and Buck. If people in Utah need an HR person and they want someone who's not insane, just hop in the mentions or actually just stay online. You can, we'll take down your contacts, somebody can reach out because obviously we want everybody to get as many jobs possible. Buck on the backside. We'll talk about this because I do think there's a big story going on there. But I want to tell you in the meantime, if you have got a family and a lot of you do, and if you are worried about trying to eat healthy with that family and a lot of you are trying to do that, this is exactly what Good Ranchers is all about. Ben and his wife Corley have built a great American business to try to feed your family in the same way they feed their own. They've got four young kids and every single day they are thinking about how to help make Americans eat healthier. These are all American raised meats. Whether it's chicken, whether it's pork, whether it is salmon, whether it is beef, All American raised. You're going to love it. And right now, through Thanksgiving, Good Ranchers encouraging families to sit down, share a meal at least once a week. And every week one lucky winner gets a free Thanksgiving ham for sharing a photo on Instagram. And tag Good Ranchers go to good ranchers.com my name Clay for $40 off. That's good ranchers.com welcome back in Clay. Travis Bucks Sexton show okay, we just had the call. Christy, was it Christie who called in from. From Utah? She was talking about the job market. She works in HR and the challenges that she is seeing. I'm sure that many of you who are looking for jobs have seen the same thing. Here's what I think is going on, Buck, and you can sign on or not sign on to this. I think that AI is going to be incredibly transformative for many different companies out there. And I actually think that some of the jobs that are being pushed aside right now are actually more white collar than blue collar in nature. And so there are certain jobs. Let's say you're a plumber right now. I don't think there's AI plumbing that is taking away your job. I don't think that if you're a roofer, there's AI roofing that is changing what you're doing, truck driving so far, all those things, quote unquote, blue collar jobs, working with your hands in some sort of factory. I think there are a lot of thought related so called white collar jobs that a lot of companies are just not filling right now because they don't know necessarily how quickly AI is going to advance and eliminate a lot of these jobs. And so I think there's a bit of an inversion in the job market where there are a lot of people who felt very confident, hey, I'm always going to have a job. And I talk about this with my boys even now. I Buck, I think a lot of lawyers are going to be losing their jobs in the years ahead. Because when I graduated law school, you had 25 year old lawyers who would sit in front of a computer screen and would be looking through documents and flagging the relevant documents and all these things, billing hundreds of dollars, that's going to become automated. I think a lot of these consulting jobs that people got, a lot of these investment banking jobs, they aren't actually super skilled.

[Buck Sexton]

If you remember, Cher in the timeless classic, Clueless gets into trouble with the mean associate lawyer because she highlights the June 9th calls or whatever and she's supposed to highlight the June 5th calls. But in the 90s you had lawyers who were making hundreds and hundreds of dollars an hour doing stuff like that, going through phone records. Not even just the 90s. I mean, until recently the once you start to use AI as a tool and I would recommend that all of you do so for your own lives as a tool. Look, I'll tell you and it tells you, don't do this. Or rather it doesn't say don't do this, it says don't rely on this. I've uploaded my blood work to Grok.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

To try to get ideas for health.

[Buck Sexton]

Like because, because the doctor, you know, the doctor, as you all know, you go in there, for the most part.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

You get a few.

[Buck Sexton]

You get your five minutes with the doctor. Here's the big problem. Here's this. Whatever. I'm like, well, what about this? What about that? I'm always a person who, I have more questions than the doctor wants to answer. I can sit there and ask. Now Grok will tell you it's not a doctor. Same thing with Gemini and these other, you know, chatgpt. And so you should always consult with your doctor. But if you're just, you know. So there's that disclaimer. But it is amazing the detailed information, factual information you can get on these things. But you remember that scene from Clueless, right?

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Oh, yeah. It's a great movie.

[Buck Sexton]

And he's like, he's like, you do what you want with your butts. I'm calling in sick. And then she's like, so sad. And then she gets romantic with her stepbrother, which I feel like everyone is just a little too okay with in that movie. Remember that?

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Played by Paul Rudd.

[Buck Sexton]

Josh. Josh is the stepbrother. And they're playing Smoochie Smooch. But it's like, that's your stepbrother. I think that's weird.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Do you think that Paul Rudd is maybe one of the people who has least aged in the last 35 years? I mean, I don't know what he does, but if you look at him in basically his entire acting career, he doesn't look very different now than he did all the way back. He's basically looked 30 for about 35 years.

[Buck Sexton]

That sounds about right.

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[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Yeah. He's not quite at Tom Cruise level where you're like, what, what alien science experiments are being run to make him still look like he should be running around doing fly kicks when the guy's like my dad's age. But yeah, sure, right.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

What, Let me ask you this though. Do you sign on to my idea that AI initially is having more of an upper middle class job impact than it is lower? You know, when I say class, I mean like what your salary is.

[Buck Sexton]

It's an enormous white collar. It's an enormous efficiency tool for bureaucratic and paper shuffling kind of work. And so there are a lot of people who work on, who have jobs where that is their job. What is the job really entail? It entails doing, you know, doing research for things, going through things, finding things. Well, now you can upload A. You know, you can upload 100,000 pages, if you want to, into some of these AI programs, and it will give you every citation or every. Every statistical example of whatever you're looking for, and it can do it in a couple of minutes. So you think about the time savings. We actually talked to Dr. Marty McCary about this and what's going on with the FDA. Yeah. For massive medical trials, you know, which they do these big, you know, 10 year, 15,000 person data sets and all this. This is going to make that. No, that's just a. I think that's nothing but upside. But to your point about some of these jobs, here's. We had an hr. A lady from HR calling before, right. Just saying that out loud. I feel like I'm about to get in trouble for something.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Yeah, right. We're going to get in the HR lady call for sure.

[Buck Sexton]

So is it just going to be out of. Clay and I have existed in the world where you never want to hear from the HR lady. I'm just going to. It's like, you know, especially if it's a lady. I don't know. You're just gonna get word. It just means that we said something might have been a joke that was made.

[NFL Network Announcer]

Might have been.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Does anyone get excited when the phone rings and they're like, hey, it's hr. You're like, oh, no. Like, there's nobody out there listening to us right now. That's like, I've been waiting for this call. Thank the Lord. I'm so glad.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a little bit like when I get my. When I get a letter that says Internal Revenue Service on it. I'm never like, oh, sweet, I'm going to open this one. So now I understand HR people are probably all very annoyed with us right now and would not hire us, but they would say, what about when I have the amazing news of giving somebody their dream job? And of course, that is a. This was like, what, Clay? The one. The one season of high school soccer I coached. The greatest thing was the joy on the faces of the kids who wanted to make the team so bad and were marginal, who made it that they were. We had. I had a couple of, like, superstars who were gonna go play in college. I. I had two or three. I was like, well, these kids are, you know, they're. They're, like, better than I ever was. And they're freshmen. And then, you know, there were kids that were marginal. That was the greatest thing. The worst thing was the kids who teared up when they were close and didn't make it and I had to tell them, you know what I mean? That's the. So HR cuts both ways, right? Because yeah, on the one side you get to tell people dream job. The other side it's. I know this would have been a life changing salary increase for you, but we. Anyway. So I think though in HR in particular, you're seeing AI is because it's large data sets, it's efficiency based and their AI is doing the job of a lot of HR people right now. And that is our. That is written about, that is clear that is happening. So what is HR really going to be doing? Because it's just going to. You're going to set your parameters. I need X amount of years of experience. I need, you know, I'm going to look prioritize the following schools, etc. Etc. You can have somebody do this now with 10,000 resumes and give you your top 10 resumes in 5 minutes, 3 minutes.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I think that's 100% right. I also think there's just a lot of pause on hiring on those jobs because companies are saying wait a minute, maybe we don't fill that opening that we have. Look, and here is the Elon has come out recently and said, hey, we're rapidly advancing to a world, I think he said the other day, where having a job will be like growing your own produce. People can choose to do it, but it's not going to be the standard. Now these are people who believe that AI is truly over the next 10, 15 years going to be transformative in a way that frankly most of us can't even comprehend and that we're going to basically have to figure out a way to reorient society without working being a huge part of it.

[Buck Sexton]

This, this is where I'm reminded of, of Naval, who I've mentioned several times before on the show, Silicon Valley guy, founder of Angel List. He's been on a lot of the big podcasts and I just think is a very interesting and sound thinker on, on things like this in particular. And he breaks this down clay into wealth versus status in society and wealth. And I think you very much take this approach in general. Like this is a part of your. We talked about this at WO Woe and they're asking what do you know about Claire? What do you know about Buck? I think you believe that there are ways that everybody can win and everybody can be doing better. And that's true about wealth. And anybody who denies that, all of you right now, who Are who are driving around in your car with your, you know, your venti Starbucks, hopefully your Crockett coffee, actually, but in your heated seats with your airbags on your iPhone. Everything else. You are living in a space age unimaginable future of wealth compared to what King Henry viii, like the actual king, would have had. Right.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

You, you're healthier, live better now than the wealthiest people did 200 years ago.

[Buck Sexton]

Basically. Your, your health care is better, your food is better, your, your comfort is better, your bed. Got to get those sheets from. You know what I'm talking about.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Cozy earth. Oh, yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

King Henry, Henry viii, you know, he was robust. He didn't have cozy earth sheets. You have incredible wealth. Status is I'm in a better place than you. Status is how do I stack up to him or her? Right. Status is a different thing. And he says that people should always separate those in their minds. And when you're talking about AI, you're talking about what should be able to be widely distributed increases on of societal and global wealth along the lines of what we're talking about, which is everybody has more, but it might get to the point where everybody has so much more that people start to hyper focus on what somebody next to them has instead of what they have. And this is where you get into whether people will be happy, whether people will be fulfilled by these things. Will you really be fulfilled if you have. I don't remember the name of the robotic maid from the Jetsons, but cleaning up everything, wrote thank you, Rosie. Making your food, cleaning up everything. You're still going to have wants and needs as a human being. You know, you're still, you know, this is, this is. By the way, Clay, I also think, and I put myself this category to. A lot of people have really earnestly gone back to their faith and gone back to church in recent years because I think they see, you know, chasing the material things. Material things may get really boring soon because everyone's going to have their material needs met.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Yeah. And for Christie, who called in, keep your head up. I have been fired multiple times. I've lost my jobs multiple times. I know how stressful that entire process is. I know there are lots of you out there in this camp and we hope again that you're going to find employment and all of you are going to find employment sooner rather than later. I do think at a big picture part of what's going on is AI disruption that is starting to work its way through the economy. And Frank, frankly, I'm not smart enough to understand exactly what the full on ramifications of this are going to be. But some of the smartest people in the world believe that the next decade is going to be transformative on a level we may not even be able to comprehend right now.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it may make the Internet look like small potatoes by comparison. Just one thing I would say for anyone who's listening, who's having trouble finding a job in my experience and I've had, I've had very different kinds of career, two very different careers really. And looked, I've worked in different kinds of things. So is Clay. And Clay started companies especially now, don't just rely on blind resumes. If you want to send those in, that's fine. You know, send them into that inbox. It could work. It could work. Talk to people and I really mean that. You know, you're at, you're at a car dealership that seems like it's just really, really well run and you think you'd be good in sales. Talk to them. Yeah, just, just start. You don't have to be like, hey, I want a job. Just start, you know, start gathering that information, creating that contact with people. I think this is true for a whole range of things. But for finding a job, people get jobs from other people. You actually don't get a job from an email inbox. Always remember that.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

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[Buck Sexton]

Fireworks in the fourth quarter.

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[Buck Sexton]

Start your seven day free trial today. Offers are subject to change. Go to Fox one for complete terms and conditions. Fox one we live for live streaming now.

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, we're closing up shop for the weekend on Play and Buck. Great time to tell you about the podcast network because you can listen on demand to it. Download that iHeartRadio app. It is the best app for your audio needs across the board. But the Clay and Buck page there, subscribe and you'll see in that feed all kinds of great stuff. Dave Rutherford, Tudor Dixon, Carol Markowitz. It's a numbers game with Ryan Garduski. If you want to nerd out on the political data and stats, lots and lots of good stuff. Speaking of nerding out, Clay, there are some unhappy people when it comes to your music takes.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I know this is. This is 100% justified. I don't know anything about music. And all of you who are about to tee off on me, that buck is going to play I deserve. Deserve it all. I'm just going to take my beating.

[Buck Sexton]

We got gg. Let's go, Gigi. First Tampa. Todd. He. He called us. Let's hear it. Hey, Clay, let's take the sports. Let Buck talk about the music of the 80s. Listen, it's real simple. There's a lot of great music in the 80s. The 80s might be the greatest music decade next to the 70s of all time, but the greatest song is Toto's Africa. Africa by Toto. Every time I hear it on the radio station, I just smile. It's a great song. Solid. I'd put it in top 10. Clay is going to just. I think he'll defer because I'm not even sure he knows Toto from Africa. It's not going to take a lot to drag Clay away from Toto. We have a. A little heat for me. Chris from Tampa, another Tampa listener. What's going on? Let's play it. All right, Mr. Sexton, the traveling for the week's over with. Got a beautiful Florida weather weekend coming up. No excuses, no sausage handling until the task is done. We don't want to damage a rotator cup. Let's get that racket out. Let's get that 100. Let's get a YouTube video. Ripping the shirt off with the speed camera saying 100.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

I think Chris, a great call.

[Buck Sexton]

Chris, you got me, buddy. You got me cornered. I'm going to play some tennis on Sunday. I'm going to take out the the new and improved Speed Gun and we're going to see we can do all right. I'm going to try to make this happen. We're going to 100 boys. One way or another. We're getting to a hundred.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Let's get to a bunch of these really fast. This is JJ James in Nashville, 1510983 my hometown. What's he say?

[Buck Sexton]

How could you not pick Eye of the Tiger for one of the greatest songs of the 80s?

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Great one.

[Buck Sexton]

Also a top 10 for me. Also a top 10. Let's see. Michael from Florida, L.L.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

Clay and Buck. I have. You're both wrong. It's Danger Zone from the Top Gun.

[Buck Sexton]

Soundtrack is the best song from the 80s. That's a good one. It's a good one.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

It's a very good one. It's hard not to be nodding along. QQ Bob in Chicago. This may be the one I should have picked. Play it.

[Buck Sexton]

QQ qq oh well, he says journey by oh, don't stop believing rather by Journey. That's very that's a top three for me. That that was right up alongside my number one.

[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

That is a great one. We love all of you. We'll be back with you on Monday. Have fantastic weekend. See ya then.

[NFL Network Announcer]

The NFL International games continue on NFL Network. And here our stars come out in the morning. Week 10, Bajan Robinson and the Falcons take on Daniel Jones and the Colts in Berlin.

[Buck Sexton]

Fireworks in the fourth quarter.

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Then in week 11, Jaden Daniels and the Commanders touchdown once again. Face Tua and the Dolphins in Madrid. Snooze off. Game on. It's Sunday morning football. Football continues November 9th at 9:30 Eastern only on NFL Network.

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[Show Host / Co-host (likely Clay Travis)]

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Start your 7 day free trial today. Offers are subject to change. Go to Fox one for complete terms and conditions. Fox one we live for live streaming now.

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