Hour 3 - Free Speech and Boobs

Summary

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Podcast Summary: “The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show”

Episode: Hour 3 – Free Speech and Boobs
Date: September 18, 2025
Host: Clay Travis (Buck Sexton absent, traveling)
Main Guest: Peter Navarro (briefly featured)
Key Theme: Free Speech, Cancel Culture, and the Fallout from the Jimmy Kimmel Suspension

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Overview

This hour of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show centers around the controversy of comedian Jimmy Kimmel's suspension over on-air comments regarding the Charlie Kirk assassination. Clay explores the broader implications for free speech, the culture of cancellation in media and politics, and how both the political left and right have contributed to the problem. The episode also features insights from callers, a discussion about cancel culture’s unintended consequences, and a segment with former Trump advisor Peter Navarro on political lawfare and his recent prison experience.

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Main Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Jimmy Kimmel Controversy and Free Speech

[02:45]–[18:53]

• Incident Recap:
  Clay plays the audio clip that sparked the controversy, in which Kimmel comments on the Charlie Kirk assassination and political attempts to capitalize on the perp's ideology.

  • “This was Monday during the monologue Jimmy Kimmel on the Charlie Kirk assassination. Listen, we had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.” (Clay Travis, [04:00])

• Clay’s Breakdown:

  • Asserts that the shooter was clearly motivated from the far left and that attempts to paint him otherwise are disingenuous.
  • Critiques the left for shifting standards around free speech and firing public figures over controversial comments (Roseanne Barr, Gina Carano) when convenient.
  • Emphasizes the importance of consistency: “I think in general, you have to remain committed to principle over politics, even sometimes when it leads to situations that you may not like. The left has not done that.” (Clay Travis, [06:50])

2. The “First Amendment and Boobs” CNN Clip: Revisiting Personal Cancel Culture

[09:00]–[13:00]

• Replays the “First Amendment and Boobs” Clip: Clay was previously banned from CNN after a humorous comment about the only two things he believes in: “the First Amendment and boobs.”

  • “I believe in only two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs. And so, once they made the decision that they were not just saying, you Believe in the first non related commentary they could.” (Clay Travis, [10:05])

• Reflections:

  • Highlights past cancel culture, noting that his own experience was used to make a point about the consequences of stifling free speech.
  • Claims many now defending Kimmel cheered previous cancellations, showing hypocrisy: “All of these people that claim now that they are First Amendment warriors for Jimmy Kimmel, they cheered when Roseanne Barr was fired.” (Clay Travis, [12:25])

3. Cancel Culture and Corporate Interests

[13:00]–[22:11]

• Business vs. Cancel Culture:

  • Differentiates between a business making programming decisions based on revenue versus firing over controversial speech.
  • “If you do not believe that Jimmy Kimmel’s show is worthy of being on the air, just pull it…deciding to pull him based on comments ultimately is not beneficial.” (Clay Travis, [15:30])

• Precedent and Boomerang Effect:

  • Warns that the precedent set by left-leaning media for “canceling” hosts is now returning to affect left-leaning figures themselves.
  • Advocates for standing on “principle over the politics of the moment.”
  • “If we establish the precedent of ‘if someone says something I don’t like, they can’t make a living doing that job anymore,’ eventually it’s going to boomerang back on the right.” (Clay Travis, [17:28])

4. Corporate and Political Calculations Behind High Profile Firings

[22:11]–[25:32]

• Listener Email: Suggests Kimmel’s firing may be more about Disney and ABC trying to limit risk, perhaps relating to lawsuits or business interests (such as attempts to buy the NFL Network).
  • “If you’re wondering…why is Disney suddenly sucking up to Trump in any way?... They’re trying to buy the NFL Network and they’re trying to curry favor from the Trump administration to get that approved.” (Clay Travis, [22:41])

5. Listener Calls: Diverse Views on Speech and Accountability

[25:32]–[32:38]

• Caller Kenny (Central Texas):
  • Notes the irony that what Kimmel did would likely be labeled “misinformation” and suppressed under Biden administration rules.
• Caller Tracy (Wisconsin):
  • Affirms a boss’s right to fire someone over speech but notes Kimmel is not censored—he can speak elsewhere.
• Caller David (Minneapolis):
  • Argues it’s time for conservatives to use the left’s own “cancel culture” tactics against them.
• Caller Michael (Massachusetts):
  • Asks about the double standard applied to “hate speech” in press vs. spoken speech.
• Clay’s Consistent Rebuttal:
  • “Free speech is not…you aren’t guaranteed a platform.”
  • Reiterates his belief: “The most important right we have is free speech, and I think we need to defend it even from people that we disagree with because the principle…is the only thing that keeps us free.” ([31:35])

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Peter Navarro Segment: Political Lawfare and Free Speech

[38:52]–[46:09]

• Navarro’s Experience:

  • Discusses his book I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To, describing political targeting against Trump allies, imprisonment, and broader lawfare tactics by the left.
  • “They are out to get us. And the new book I’ve got…I went to prison so you won’t have to, is all about how not only did they come after me, they came after President Trump, they came after Steve Bannon, they targeted everybody I served with in the White House in some manner with these tools of lawfare.” (Peter Navarro, [38:52])

• Life in Prison:

  • Details the day-to-day, including losing weight, getting COVID, witnessing both violence and humanity, and becoming an “investigative reporter” uncovering a Bureau of Prisons scandal.
  • “I saw no shortage of violence, no shortage of danger, but no shortage of humanity as well. I mean, there are good people in there who did bad things, not just bad people who did bad things.” (Peter Navarro, [41:52])

• Post-Prison Trump Campaigning:

  • Describes immediately returning to the campaign trail after release, participating in rallies up to election night.
  • “I get out of prison on July 17, two days after my birthday…immediately go on the campaign trail on the Trump bus.” (Peter Navarro, [44:16])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Cancel Culture’s Boomerang:
  • “The precedent is going to blow up on you.” (Clay Travis, [17:45])
• On Consistency:
  • “I don’t think anybody actually benefits from cancel culture.” (Clay Travis, [07:45])
• On Minority Speech Rights:
  • “Free speech in a democracy without protection for speech is two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner.” (Clay Travis paraphrasing his con law professor, [27:00])
• On Prison and Lawfare:
  • “[Prison] is a test, the test of who you are and what you stand for.” (Peter Navarro, [41:55])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jimmy Kimmel Clip & Analysis: [04:00]–[13:00]
• Cancel Culture, Roseanne, Gina Carano Examples: [06:50]–[13:00]
• Clay’s CNN “First Amendment and Boobs” Story: [09:00]–[13:00]
• Cancel Culture Precedent Discussion: [13:00]–[22:11]
• Disney/ABC Business Interests Point: [22:11]–[25:32]
• Listener Calls: [25:32]–[33:00]
• Peter Navarro Segment: [38:52]–[46:09]

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Tone and Language

• Clay employs a mix of sarcasm, humor, and blunt critique—often taking pointed jabs at what he perceives as left-wing hypocrisy.
• Listeners’ calls represent a range from reasoned critique to calls for “fighting back” using cancel culture tactics.
• Peter Navarro’s comments are urgent, combative, and draw on his personal experience with institutional opposition.

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Conclusion

This episode underscores ongoing tensions in American media and politics about free speech, cancel culture, and the consequences of setting inconsistent standards across the ideological spectrum. Clay Travis insists on the importance of upholding free speech principles for all—even one’s political foes—while exploring the business realities and political motives underlying high-profile firings. The episode crescendos with Peter Navarro’s first-hand account of political lawfare, reinforcing the program's message about defending free expression and resisting political persecution.

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Transcript

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Uh, he will be with us at the bottom of the hour on the program here. But let's go back into the Jimmy Kimmel controversy. I've got some more thoughts and I want to get your reactions, 800-282-2882. You can also give us talkbacks. Um, let's play one more time because I know many people join the show at different times. This is what created the latest free speech controversy. This was Monday during the monologue Jimmy Kimmel on the Charlie Kirk assassination. Listen, we had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. Okay, so that is the, that is the commentary. It tied in in the minds of many to this calculated attempt to try to make this crazy assassin seem as if he were a member of the Trump supporting right. And there was a very calculated attempt to try to say, oh, the reason Charlie Kirk was assassinated was because he wasn't right wing enough. When all of the evidence that you have all been exposed to and had shared with you certainly on this program and in other places clearly evinces that this was a guy who was dating a trans person family says had gone far left wing, wrote anti fascist, anti Nazi, pro trans messages on the shell casings of his of the bullets of the weapon that he was planning to use to kill Charlie Kirk. All of these things clearly demonstrate that he was of the left and that he was motivated by a Decade plus of people out there calling Donald Trump and his supporters Hitler and Nazis. And now that there is a suspension that has come, thanks to some of the affiliate stations out there saying, we won't air this, there is now a pushback in an aggressive way against the idea that Jimmy Kimmel should have been suspended over this. I'm going to play some of that audio so that you have a context of what's going on. But let me just say this. I think in general, you have to remain committed to principle over politics, even sometimes when it leads to situations that you may not like. The left has not done that. Uh, and the left, in fact, let's use Disney examples. Roseanne Barr shared a tweet that was deemed to be unacceptable, and she was immediately canceled. Even though she was on the most popular show on ABC at the time, other than sports, most popular scripted show, and they wrote off her character as dying of a drug overdose. Gina Carano was on the most popular streaming show in all of Disney plus, the Mandalorian. She shared opinions that were considered to be unexpected, unacceptable on social media. She was fired. So when the left has established and when the Disney Corporation has established that their standard of speech is. If we decide that it is unacceptable in any way, we're gonna fire you. I don't think they have any legs to stand on with Jimmy Kimmel. I just don't. I think they have cut the legitimacy of their arguments out from underneath me. Now, some of you are not gonna appreciate this argument, but I have made it consistently. Some of you are gonna nod along and say, this is important. I don't think anybody. Anybody actually benefits from Cancel Culture. I don't think society benefits from Cancel Culture. I don't think when they tried to cancel Rush, that that was a benefit for this show. And many of you who listen to Rush know exactly what I'm talking about. Rush was at the forefront of Cancel Culture. I, not surprisingly, to some of you out there, people have tried to cancel me for a long time. In fact, I shared this clip from eight years ago this week when I went on cnn. I'd been banned from CNN for making a joke. When I said, hey, the only two things I've ever believed in completely are the First Amendment and boobs. And if you haven't heard that, here it is. CNN has still banned me for that. Listen, I'm a First Amendment absolutist. I believe in only two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs. And so once they made the decision that they were not just saying, you Believe in the first non related commentary they could. Hold on, hold on. I just want to make sure I heard you correctly as a woman anchoring the show. Did you say what did you say you believe in the First Amendment and B double BS Boobs. Two things that have only never let me down in this entire country's history. The First Amendment and boobs. So those are the only two things I believe in. Absolutely. In the country. I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. B, O O Z E B O O B S Because as a woman I'm, I'm. As in boobs. I believe completely in the First Amendment and in boobs. Those are the only two things I believe 100% in in this country. And, and by the way, Jamel has absolutely nothing to do with the background live on national television and with a female host. I say it live on the radio all the time because it's true. And that's what I do because I like boobs and the First Amendment, which is exactly what I said. All right, so if you haven't seen that clip eight years ago, that was the number one trending story in America. Brooke Baldwin wrote an editorial essentially demanding that I be fired. I was doing sports talk or radio. Everybody tried to get me fired over that. Now it's ironic certainly that to make a point about believing in the First Amendment, I would do it in a humorous way that would get more attention and not immediately apologize to a woman who tried to play the identity politics card live on CNN and tried to get me fired. But all of these people that claim now that they are First Amendment warriors for Jimmy Kimmel, they cheered when Roseanne Barr was fired. They cheered when Gina Carano was fired. They cheered when Tucker Carlson was taken off the air. They would cheer and do cartwheels if I or Buck were taken off the air. Because they aren't really committed to the First Amendment and they are committed to removing people they disagree with from the airwaves. And that's why I think the principle here matters, because the politics is constantly going to shift. I've said before when Bill Maher got pulled off the air, ABC on a show called Politically Incorrect for making politically incorrect comments about terrorists, I didn't think that was appropriate. Now, Bill Maher is talented enough that HBO came and they hired him and he's probably got a way better show now than he did when he was at abc. I give credit to the boss that Buck and I have now and the reason that I am sitting talking to all of You, Julie Talbot, because at iHeart, they are committed to allowing people from a wide variety of perspectives to be able to talk to large audiences. There's a big difference between what you will hear on this show and, and what Charlemagne the God will say or what Bobby Bones will say or what Ryan Seacrest will say or what Steve Harvey will say. That's good. That's how the country should be. You should be able to go out and, and, and be exposed to the largest possible collection of arguments out there and the largest possible collection of entertainers. Now, here is my take on why I don't necessarily agree with the way all this went down. I think firing someone because of something that they said on air is a form of cancel culture, for sure. If you do not believe that Jimmy Kimmel's show is worthy of being on the air, just pull it. They didn't pull Stephen Colbert directly because of something he said on the air. They said he's losing $40 million a year. We don't want to be in this business anymore. I think we all, all of us actually end up in a worse place when we are saying, you can't make that joke. That's offensive. You can't use that word in that context. All of these things I think actually limit the larger scope of discussion in this country. So I'm probably going to be the only person on the planet who said, wrong decision on Roseanne, wrong decision on Gina Carano, and I think wrong decision on the timing surrounding Jimmy Kimmel. Now, I have tons of thoughts and we've talked about it a lot on the program, about the decline of late night television and the fact that basically all late night television turned into left wing propaganda where you can only make fun of one side. And as a result, they destroyed their business in the process. That I have no issue with. If tomorrow I heart decided, hey, you know what, Clay? You and Buck, your show's not higher, highly rated enough. You're not making us enough money. We got to move on. I'd say, hey, you know what, that's a business imperative. By the way, thanks to you guys, that's not the case. In fact, we just found out yesterday, ratings are up 25% over last year. That's pretty damn good. Thank you. But that's the business we're in. If you don't make your boss's money, then at some point in time they're going to come to you and they're going to try to find somebody who can or somebody who will. And so if Disney had had the chutzpah to come forward and say, you know what? We're not getting a great rating in this hour. We think it's time to move on and try something new in that hour with abc, we think we can make more money doing something else. I would have said, hey, you know what? More power to you. I think deciding to pull him based on comments ultimately is not beneficial. And some of you out there go, oh, at some point, I don't know what it's going to be. They'll come for us. You know this. They came for Rush. Now, I hope, partly because of what I did eight years ago when they came for me. I like to think that I'm somewhat uncancelable. I'd like to think that Buck is somewhat uncancellable. But when you set the precedent that what people say on live shows can lead to them losing their job immediately and it's never going to stop, right? And that's what the left is learning right now. They made these rules, and now they're looking around and saying, wait a minute, I don't like these rules. This is why people like me have been saying, ultimately, the precedent is going to blow up on YouTube. And so there are going to be, at some point in time, might be eight years from now, might be ten years from now. But if we establish the precedent of if someone says something I don't like, they can't make a living doing that job anymore. And eventually it's going to boomerang back on the right, just like it's boomeranging back on the left right now. And I'm going to be the guy sitting back saying, hey, I don't think that's the right decision. And I'm going to stand on principle over the politics of the moment. Now, again, if cbs, when CBS made the decision, hey, Colbert's gone, we're losing $40 million a year, I think that's a rational, reasonable choice that they could make. I'm a business guy. I ran a media business. There are people we've had to move on from because we can't afford their salary because they're not actually making us money. You heard Stephen A. And I have this exact discussion on Tuesday where he said, ultimately, all of our jobs come down to, are we making bosses money? And if you're not, you're not going to be employed very long. This is not, however, to me, a First Amendment issue. It's a creative freedom issue because nobody is keeping Jimmy Kimmel from coming out and saying exactly what he thinks in any other form. He can start a podcast, he can start a YouTube channel. Same thing for Stephen Colbert. Look at what Tucker did when Fox News took him off the air. It has never been easier for the name on the back of the jersey to be able to be followed anywhere. So I just, I don't buy into this idea of oh my God, this is the biggest attack on the First Amendment that we've ever seen. You know what a real attack on the First Amendment would look like? Murdering somebody in cold blood while they're at a free speech event because you don't like what they are saying. Which is exactly what happened to Charlie Kirk. And it's why there is a strong argument to be made that part of the sickness that afflicts the left in this country is they are more outspoken about a comedian not being able to continue on his late night comedy show than they are a dad being assassinated in cold blood at a free speech event. One of those is a significant threat to free speech in America. That is Charlie Kirk's assassination. The other is just a debate about where a person should go to share his or her opinions. It has never been easier for everybody in America to share their opinions than it is today. I'll take some of your calls, I'll take some of your reactions. 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[Clay Travis]

Peter Navarro just reached out, said he's about to hop on a call with the President of the United States. So he may or may not be with us at the bottom of the hour. But a lot of you weighing in on the show so far during the course of the program. Um, and VIP email from Jennifer just came in. Didn't ABC just lose a big lawsuit from Trump? Could it be that Kimmel was fired because they were afraid of another lawsuit? They didn't lose the lawsuit. They settled it. But I think what you are getting at, Jennifer, is ABC that is owned by Disney basically decided they didn't think Jimmy Kimmel was worth the risk that the Jimmy Kimmel show was creating. Now, you want to know what's really going on here? Disney's trying to buy the NFL Network and they're trying to curry favor from the Trump administration to get that approved. I'm just telling you that's, that's really. If you're, if you're wondering, hey, what's going on? Why is Disney suddenly sucking up to Trump in any way? Why are they firing Jimmy Kimmel? Why did Stephen Colbert get fired? It's because those guys, Colbert and Kimmel, were seen as problems more than they were seen as talent. And this is where. Great lesson for life. So long as your talent exceeds your problems, you're always going to be employed. If you're a great quarterback in the NFL, you can get away with a lot. If you're not a very good quarterback, you get fired. If you are making your employers a lot of Money like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert used to do 15 years ago. They'll take a lot of flack for you as soon as they start losing money. And they need to get approval on mergers or acquisitions. Guess what? Your butt's getting kicked to the curb. I think that's the bigger story here of what's actually going on. We come back, we'll take more of your calls. We'll break all that down for you. But our friends at the ifc, CJ they need your help every single day. Unfortunately, people in Israel are living in danger. All sorts of missiles raining down. I saw for myself the locations of what happened on October 7, just almost exactly two years ago in Israel. Went to the kibbutzes, went to the Nova Festival, saw the border with Gaza, saw the border with Lebanon, saw all of the danger over there and the incredible work that the IFCJ is doing to help make people safer there. They are doing an amazing job. And you can help them continue that amazing job by going to ifcj.org that is ifcj.org to help make a donation in the name of peace in Israel. IFCJ.org A lot of you want to weigh in on the Jimmy Kimmel news. By the way, Peter Navarro was going to be on with us. We'll try to schedule him later, maybe tomorrow if he can't get in today. He was going to talk with all of us, but he's now on the phone with the president. Yeah, kind of an important thing to do. I think a lot of you out there weighing in, though. Let's see, Kenny in Central Texas, what you got for us?

[Peter Navarro]

Kenny, thank you for having me. I just was wanting to point out, I've noticed that no one has mentioned that the Democrats and the DOJ suppress freedom of speech by creating this concept of misinterpretation or misinformation or disinformation. And I don't understand why no one's pointed out that what Kimmel did was exactly misinformation and disinformation and would be silenced using the Biden rules.

[Clay Travis]

Well, thank you for the call. Of course it wouldn't be silenced by the Biden rules because the Biden rules were not about actually trying to create a fair and even playing field. They were about labeling speech. They did not like misinformation or disinformation. And look, I've testified in front of Congress about this, and one of the reasons why there are so many, but Trump's win in 2024 was so incredibly important, is all of the people lecturing you right now about how Jimmy Kimmel's free speech rights are being restricted were fine with Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, Instagram, TikTok, every major social media platform in the country banning the sitting President of the United States. Every single one. I think the number of people that are upset by Jimmy Kimmel's cancellation and cheered President Trump's cancellation is almost, almost 100% consistent. Right. What I'm pointing out, and I think this is important, and I understand power shifts. Power shifts. And right now I love that Trump is in office. And I hope that there are sane Republicans in leadership for decades to come. History teaches us that is not going to be true. Right now. What I say, what Buck says is favored by the party that happens to control the White House and the Senate and the House of Representatives. That's great. It's not always going to be the case. And so if you set the standard of speech that is acceptable is determined by the party in power at any particular time, you are not standing on principle. You are standing on power. And minority speech rights. And I don't mean, you know, black, Asian, Hispanic speech. Right. I mean the party that is not in power, not the majority. Minority speech rights are the most important in the country. I had a con law professor, she was actually a left winger, but she had a great line. The reason why we focus on trying to protect minority speech rights is she would always say, free speech in a democracy without protection for speech is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. It's a great line. Without free speech protections in a democracy, all we have is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. The sheep always get slaughtered. The person who doesn't have the votes gets wiped out. That's why principle matters. So I think the Supreme Court got the, the ruling wrong on Biden censoring people like me and Buck, who were critics of his COVID vaccine policy. You heard Eric Trump on with us a little bit earlier. They went to Facebook and they threatened Mark Zuckerberg and they said, if you don't restrict speech, then we are going to have significant impact on you. I mean, I'm just telling you, this is, this is the reality in which we live beyond a shadow of a doubt. A lot of you weighing in. By the way, let me see if I can make sure that I get everybody's name right. Peter Navarro, by the way, has reached out. He's going to call us here to close out the show. So we will get him as well. But let me try to get a couple more y' all in fast. Tracy in Wisconsin, what you got?

[Caller]

Three things. A boss can fire an employee if he thinks that person said something horrible that either the boss doesn't like or customers don't like. Number two, Jimmy Kimmel is not totally censored. He can go on other platforms and speak. And number three, he did say something that these days, what you say, if it could harm another group or people, he said, you know, regarding maga, I mean, people these days, they hear something negative about a group and they take bad actions. I'm not for censorship, but a boss can fire someone for saying something horrible that either the boss doesn't like or employees. And I kind of look at it that way with Jimmy Kimmel.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for the call. I think the second part of what you said is also supremely important. Free speech is not. You aren't guaranteed a platform. Jimmy Kimmel can go speak anywhere. If I heart fires me tomorrow, I can try to find somewhere new to go, talk to as many people as I want. The government did not take this act. Disney did. Now, was there pressure from the government? Yeah. What's that pressure? They want to be able to buy the NFL Network. And Disney decided for its business, being able to buy the NFL Network is more important. This is what I think is, the story is more important than Jimmy Kimmel doing a comedy show. David in Minneapolis. What you got?

[Peter Navarro]

The previous caller kind of stole my thunder. But you know what, guys? The Democrats started us down this road decades ago. We've been punching bags for these punks for long enough, and it's time that we use their own tactics and methods against them and shove it right back down their throat. You said that it might blow up in our face. It's been blowing up in our face for. For decades. And what if we do nothing this time? The next time the Democrats are in power, they're going to say, oh, yeah? Well, they kind of played nice last time. Maybe we'll give them a break. No, they're always going to go for our throat. It's time for us to fight back.

[Clay Travis]

I certainly understand that argument. I did in my most recent book, a whole section on how to deal with cancel culture. 20, 30 pages. American playbook. If you like coffee, you can get an autographed copy of my [e-mail] code book. Totally understand that. Totally understand that argument. My perspective in general is the most important right we have is free speech. And I think we need to defend it even from people that we disagree with because the principle of free speech over time is the only thing that keeps us free, in my opinion. Have Democrats been wrong on many free speech issues for decades? Yes. Are they now reaping the consequences of the culture they created? Yes. Do I think that one day Buck or me or some of you are going to also reap the consequences of the culture that was created by Democrats? Yes, potentially as well. Let's see, podcast listener Tim G.G. what you got for us? G.G. quickly, was that the first time I've heard the First Amendment and Booth story? By far the best way to get banned from CNN? That is the best way to get banned from CNN. Picks for you Price picks.com code Clay get these down. They'll be up on the website. Patrick mahomes more than 1/2 passing yard. That's a free square. We're giving you a win. Then these two Josh Allen Tonight the Bills are playing against the Dolphins. More than one and a half passing touchdowns for Josh Allen. Daniel Jones playing for the Colts against my Tennessee titans. More than 210 and a half passing yards. If all three of those hit 4.75 to one, that are these are the picks. Go to prizepix.com use code Clay Mahomes more than one half passing yard free square Josh Allen more than one and a half passing touchdown and Daniel Jones more than 210 and a half passing yards. That pays 4.75 to 1. Get hooked up [e-mail] Code Clay.

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[Clay Travis]

Peter Navarro just texted that he's still on the phone with President Trump so we may or may not get him today. Maybe Buck can get him tomorrow. Buck will have the show solo tomorrow as I'll be up in Michigan speaking at a big Republican event at Mackinac Island. Beautiful place in Michigan. Michael in Massachusetts. Fire away. What you got for us?

[Peter Navarro]

Clay, I agree fully with you about the free speech point. And as you know, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech, freedom of press. I take it from your point you would say speech is more important than press. Here's my question. We hear a lot about hate speech and we even hear it from the press talking about hate speech. But we never hear anything on the other side about restrictions on the press the same way people want to restrict speech. Wanted to get your thoughts?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's a smart question. And England, for instance, has way more stringent standards when it comes to defamation, which is either spoken with slander or written with libel. And so you will sometimes see prominent figures choose to sue in England, where the press is held to a more stringent standard than in the United States. Now, I, I could probably do a whole deep dive on this, and I bet the guy joining us right now, Peter Navarro, could too. A lot of this, as we see in speech parameter code and law now comes out of Times v. Sullivan, which is the Supreme Court case dealing with the most of this. I could do an entire show on Times v. Sullivan and some of the flaws. But we bring in Peter Navarro right now. Peter, you were just talking with President Trump. I believe he's on his way back from England. What was that conversation like? What can you tell us about it?

[Peter Navarro]

Never talk about what we're talking about. But I was delayed because of President Trump. But what I can tell you is this, that they are out to get us. And the new book I've got, I went to prison so you won't have to, is all about how not only did they come after me, they came after President Trump, they came after Steve Bannon, they targeted everybody I served with in the White House in some manner with these tools of lawfare. And I, when I was in prison for four months for defending the Constitution, I had the discipline to do a daily journal talk about these things. And I got this book out because if we don't hold these people accountable, they're going to just keep doing it. Everybody I served with in the White House the first term I was there for all four years got targeted by the left in some way. The easiest thing that would happen is they'd have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars in legal fees. That's the, that's the best they could do serving their country. The worst you could do is what just friggin happened with my, my brother Charlie Kirk taken a bullet by an assassin. And then, then four times they tried to put President Trump in Prison, two times they tried to kill him. Bannon, myself in prison, Mike Flynn, Rudy Giuliani. So this is not a good time for this republic. But we're fighting back, sir. And that's why I wrote I went to prison so you won't have to. And by the way, I don't know if you saw the speech I gave at the Republican National Convention, but that speech was given the night of the day I actually got out of prison. And it's a wake up call. So I hope, I hope your listeners and viewers will pay attention to this case. We can't let them get power back. They would. They will keep doing this again until we hold them accountable.

[Clay Travis]

Peter Navarro with us now. He served four months in prison. What was prison like? I can't imagine it was a very fun experience, but hopefully most of people will never know. And the idea that you were there for political persecution is even more bonkers. But in terms of the physical day to day for four months is like what in your experience?

[Peter Navarro]

Well, that's one of the stories that I went to prison so you won't have to. You know, it's a Law Fair story about kind of how I got in there. It's a love story about how my fiance, Pixie and I were able to manage the trauma of four months in prison. But then inside there's a couple things going on. I mean, you see kind of day to day life of how, for example, I lost 12 pounds, I got Covid twice because of the conditions in there. I saw no shortage of violence, no shortage of danger, but no shortage of humanity as well. I mean, there are good people in there who did bad things, not just bad people who did bad things. And just trying to navigate your way through that is, is a test, the test of who you are and what you stand for. And there's a funny story, the beginning of I went to prison so you won't have to, about getting me getting surrounded in the yard by three guys. And I'm thinking, you know, okay, what's going to go wrong here? And one of them starts talking about how they liked me. I used the word liked and they say, why? Because I wasn't a snitch. And inside I kind of kept a straight face. But inside I'm laughing my ass off because I'm trying to figure out the moral equivalence between me refusing a congressional subpoena to defend the Constitution and these guys. And the classical snitch is not, not, not snitching on their fellow criminals. Yeah. So stuff like that there's some significant moments. I saved one guy's life, arguably helping him get some time, some emergency medical care and, and I think one of the most interesting stories inside the story is how I became essentially an investigative reporter that uncovered a 5 billion dol. Billion dollar scandal inside the Bureau of Prisons that now that I'm on the outside had been able to actually solve. So I think that's like a unique historical moment that you'll never see. And I tell that story as well.

[Clay Travis]

But where were you, Peter, on election night and what was your reaction to Trump's victory?

[Peter Navarro]

Oh, this is great. So I get out of prison on July 17, two days after my birthday. The son of a bitch has kept me in prison. It wouldn' let me out two days early for my birthday. I give the speech that night and then Pixie and I immediately go on the campaign trail on the Trump bus. And we were going to Georgia, we were going to Pennsylvania, we're going to North Carolina, working really hard. We'd go, I'd go to. Sometimes I'd be the warm up, one of the warm up speakers for a Trump rally, things like that. And so the night, night of the election night is like at midnight into 3am in the morning. I'm with the boss. And where I think it was, where was it? Des Moines. Me somewhere out. He's, he's, he's going on for like two hours in a speech like he loves to do and stuff like that. Leaving.

[Clay Travis]

I think it was Grand Rapids, Michigan, if I'm not from Michigan.

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah, that's right, right. It was Grand Rapids. We were up in, you know, the usual basketball, hockey rink up in the country you and I love up in, you know, flyover country. And he, it's like three in the morning before we get out of there and we land back in D.C. i don't know, six in the morning, something like that. And yeah, I was, there was no doubt in my mind he was going.

[Clay Travis]

To win that race for Peter Navarro. The show is ending here, but I want you guys to go check it out. I went to prison so you wouldn't have to. Won't have to. A love and lawfare story in Trump land being released yesterday. Guys, I'll be out tomorrow. I'll see a bunch of you up in Michigan. Buckle have you. I'll be back on Monday. Love y'.

[Peter Navarro]

All.

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