Hour 3 - Georgia, You Should be Furious

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show — "Hour 3: Georgia, You Should be Furious"

Date: December 17, 2025 | Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show | Host: iHeartPodcasts

Episode Overview

This third hour of Clay and Buck focuses on political power struggles within the Democratic Party, California's ongoing crises, education system failures, the fallout of LA fires, and the controversy surrounding Georgia prosecutor Fani Willis. The hosts also share personal anecdotes, listener feedback, and touch on the broader implications of immigration policy on housing. Legal and political strategist Katie Zachariah joins as a guest to offer critical insights, particularly from a Californian Republican perspective.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Democratic Presidential Power Struggle: Kamala Harris vs. Gavin Newsom

Timestamps: 02:07 – 09:14

• Kamala Harris' Candidacy: Buck Sexton expresses surprise at Harris' continued viability as a presidential contender. The hosts note current polling puts Kamala slightly ahead of Newsom.
• Gavin Newsom's Limitations: Katie Zachariah argues Newsom can't run on his record outside California, as his policies don't resonate with middle America.
  • Quote (Katie Zachariah, 05:52):
    "We have these two failed politicians out of California... But Gavin Newsom has to eventually run on... his track record, his policy. And they're realizing that he's likely not going to be able to win middle America. So they're going to throw back in Kamala Harris as a Hail Mary..."
• The Importance of the First Primary: Clay highlights DNC manipulation of the primary schedule, speculating South Carolina being first again would be an advantage for Harris due to powerbrokers like Rep. James Clyburn.
  • “If they rig it like they did for Biden in 2024 so that South Carolina is first... Kamala Harris is going to win that primary, and she’s going to win it going away.” (Clay Travis, 07:09)

2. Midterm Focus & Republican Urgency

Timestamps: 08:04 – 09:14

• 2026 Midterms Viewed as Pivotal: Katie emphasizes that without securing the House and passing voter ID laws, Republican prospects for 2028 (even with Trump) remain bleak.
  • Quote (Katie Zachariah, 08:04):
    “If we don’t keep the House... whoever the candidate is, the Democrats kind of know they have the system rigged. And if we don’t keep the House, they will win ’28…”

3. California’s Education Crisis

Timestamps: 09:14 – 11:23

• LA Schools Losing Students, Adding Staff: Despite a 26% decrease in enrollment, staff numbers have risen nearly 20%.
  • Core Critique: “They are not here to educate our children... California on a whole, we have the lowest literacy rate in the nation. We are at 50 of 50.” (Katie Zachariah, 10:00)
• Block to Reform: Vast majority favors school vouchers, but Democrat supermajority and union influence block educational reform.

4. Aftermath of the Palisades and Malibu Fires

Timestamps: 11:23 – 14:27

• Slow Recovery and Blocked Rebuilding: Burned lots remain empty, with permits hard to get and insurance insufficient.
  • “Every single lot still burned down. There are for sale signs on almost every lot on that coastal property in Malibu.” (Katie Zachariah, 12:12)
• Alleged Political Motive: Zachariah accuses officials of intentionally stalling, trying to rezone land for low-income housing and forcing sales to big developers or government.
• Voter Integrity Barrier: Without voter ID in California, she argues no Republican can win statewide.

5. Fani Willis and the Georgia Trump Case

Timestamps: 23:25 – 29:22

• Scandal Summary: Fani Willis’ prosecution of Trump is undermined by revelations she hired and lavishly paid her romantic partner, Nathan Wade, using taxpayer funds.
• Willis’ Defensive Testimony: Audio highlights her bristling at bills/invoices questions and pivoting to alleged personal attacks.
  • Quote (Fani Willis, 24:13):
    “...He was a leader to that team and a public servant. And for that him, like me, has been threatened thousands of times... You want something to investigate as a legislature, investigate how many times they've called me the N word... Why don't you investigate the fact that my house has been swatted?"
• Attention to Billing Fraud:
  • “She say that her paramour billed 160 hours in a week?” (Buck Sexton, 25:30)
  • “…That is time and attendance fraud. Okay? 100 hours a week is insane. 160 hours a week is not possible.” (Buck Sexton, 25:42)
  • Clay and Buck stress that this kind of unethical, potentially fraudulent conduct would be instantly noticed in the private sector.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Buck on California Politics:
  “Katie, is it...a power outage in California because it's run like a third world country?” (05:16)
• Katie on CA Schools:
  “I would never send my kids, never, to a public school in California.” (10:48)
• Clay on Political Strategy:
  "You need to investigate. People said mean things about you because you hired your lover and then he was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Georgia taxpayers." (27:01)
• Buck on Billing Fraud:
  “If he charged...the state of Georgia, a private client for 160 hours of work in a week, he is lying. That is fraud.” (28:06)

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Other Notable Topics

6. Immigration, Rent, and Housing Economics

Timestamps: 32:26 – 34:21

• Immigration’s Impact on Rents: Quoting Treasury Secretary Scott Besson and a Wharton study, every 1% population increase equates to a 1% rent increase in major urban areas.
  • “Turns out the basic laws of economics, Clay, still apply.” (Buck Sexton, 33:38)

7. Listener Feedback and Personal Bants

Timestamps: 38:07 – 43:13

• Fun exchanges over language, guns, and running podcast bets.
• End-of-year reflections and holiday sign-offs:
  • "It has been truly one of the best years I can remember. ... I became a dad. My wife is incredible. Even Clay's a lot of fun day to day..." (Buck Sexton, 43:07)

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Episode Structure & Segment Timestamps

• 02:07 – 14:27: Interview with Katie Zachariah (California politics, schools, fire aftermath)
• 23:25 – 29:22: Fani Willis/Trump Georgia Case discussion and testimony highlights
• 32:26 – 34:21: Housing economics and immigration
• 38:07 – 43:13: Listener talkbacks, personal anecdotes, and holiday messages

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Tone & Language

The conversation is casual, irreverent, and often confrontational—especially on topics related to progressive politics and Democratic leadership. Clay and Buck use humor and sarcasm to make their criticisms, while maintaining a friendly, conversational rapport with each other and their guest. Katie Zachariah delivers sharp, critical analysis of California politics and education from a Republican, outsider’s perspective.

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Key Takeaways

• Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom remain the top Democratic contenders, but both have serious vulnerabilities.
• California’s public systems—schools and fire recovery—are hindered by bureaucracy and one-party rule, leading to bipartisan frustration.
• The controversy surrounding Fani Willis in Georgia raises issues of ethical governance and political weaponization.
• Immigration policy is shown to have direct economic consequences for ordinary Americans, particularly in housing costs.
• The episode ends on a personal, festive note, reflecting back on the year and engaging warmly with the audience.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Katie Zachariah]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome in everybody. Third hour of clay and Buck kicks off right now. We are joined by our friend Katie Zachariah. She is a legal and political strategist. She is based in California. She's got four kids. She's a great lady. Katie, thank you for being here with us.

[Katie Zachariah]

Thank you. Excited to be on.

[Buck Sexton]

So tell me what the latest. There's so many things to ask you about California here but one is I am seeing that the numbers. This is a little troubling for me, Katie. I'm just going to say this because I have been unfortunately saying for some time that Kamala is so terrible and was so awful that she couldn't even run again credibly. And now the numbers are telling me that she's looking pretty solid among the Democrats to run for president. Now talking about. And Gavin Newsom is having some trouble separating himself from Kamala in this one. You have your ear to the ground of California politics. What is going on over there?

[Clay Travis]

That was a heck of a question. Wow. And I thought there was such a pregnant pause there. I was like, I can't wait to hear.

[Buck Sexton]

I know I threw a heater right down the center at 100 miles an hour there, or maybe 103 miles an hour for those who know what I'm talking about. But she disappeared on us.

[Clay Travis]

I do love Buck. The fact that you're slowly coming around to the fact that you're gonna buy me a steak. I mean, by the way, also, Kelly's.

[Buck Sexton]

Dad, if you're listening, Kaylee's dad, if you're listening, Clay's. Clay is right. So much. Or whatever. Clay thought Michelle Obama was gonna run. What are you even talking about? Kelly's dad, I love you, but Klay has had some huge swing and a miss. He thought. Who do you think the VP was gonna be? Wasn't your pick, like Cory Booker or something? Preposterous. I don't remember.

[Clay Travis]

I don't remember the. The VP idea, but I will say that that's. Oh, no.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm sorry.

[Clay Travis]

No. On the.

[Buck Sexton]

On the Republican side, who is. Oh, no. You know. No, no. Well, we knew it was going to be Tim kdo. But who do you think the Republican VP was going to be? I think you said some. Oh, you thought it was going to be Tim Scott?

[Clay Travis]

I thought that there was a good chance it might be Tim Scott. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

That was a sweet.

[Clay Travis]

Your best call of the show so far, I think, was J.D. vance, because he was a huge underdog at the time that you.

[Buck Sexton]

I could have pro 8 to 1 odds or something on that one.

[Clay Travis]

Maybe even. Maybe even better odds than that. And. But Kamala's gonna run, and everybody is now coming around to the fact that she's gonna run. And the question that you were asking Katie is, I think, probably the most important question that's out there, which is how is this battle basically between Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, who I think it's fair to say are the top two contenders right now going to play out? And Buck, I think the most significant aspect of this, that will be decided in the near future because it's going to go a long way towards letting you know what the DNC is doing in terms of, as we well know, putting their finger on the scale here. It's going to be what is the first primary for Democrats? That will tell us a lot. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And by the way, Katie, is it was there like a power outage in California because it's run like a third world country. Like, do we know what happened there? Oh, we got her on the phone. Okay. Hey, Katie, I don't know what you heard about our. Well, welcome back. Katie Zachariah. Welcome to the wonders of live radio where things just happen. So we're gonna, we're asking this question, national polling average, Kamala Harris 23%, Gavin Newsom 22%. How is it possible among Democrats, I know you're a Republican, but you understand your home state. How is Kamala ahead of Gavin after the showing that she had in this last election?

[Katie Zachariah]

What's going on national polling? I think they're trying to get rid of Gavin Newsom's track record because as it started coming up nationwide, though, he's pulled the wool over Californians eyes. I do not know how anyone can support him in this state after everything he's done. However, with Kamala nationwide, what it shows is that Barack Obama and the Democrat Party are trying to and try to get this temperature of what the appetite is for the United States. So can they run Gavin Newsom? Can they run Kamala Harris? We have these two failed politicians out of California, failed vice president, failed attorney general formally out of California and senator and everything else. But Gavin Newsom has to eventually. What I think is happening is he has been banking on running on tds Trump derangement syndrome. And that's how he's by and large gotten so much momentum. But he's not going to be running against President Trump in 2018. And then he's going to have to fall back on, guess what, his track record, his policy. And they're realizing that he's likely not going to be able to win middle America. So they're going to throw back in Kamala Harris as a Hail Mary perhaps. I think they're just gauging the appetite here because, because frankly, neither of them are good candidates.

[Clay Travis]

I think that that's 100% true. Unfortunately, Joe Biden was an awful candidate and he won. So I was just asking Katie, the first of all, Buck's gonna have to buy me a steak and maybe you can be invited. Maybe we'll have a big performance surrounding this and so just a celebration of my brilliance when it comes to making steak bets with Buck. But in the, in the, in that battle in California, I think a huge part of this is gonna be what is the first Democrat primary state. Because if they rig it like they did for Biden in 2024 so that South Carolina is first, trust me on this, Kamala Harris is going to win that primary, and she's going to win it going away because James Clyburn is going to say, vote for Kamala Harris. How much attention are you paying to what the first primary is going to be and how much of a battle do you think that will be to give us an early indication of what the DNC's perspective is?

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, well, to be quite frank, I am very focused on 26 midterms because that will be the biggest indicator for what happens in 28. So you at what's happening right now with the Republican Party. And to be very honest, if we don't get serious, extremely serious about winning and keeping, keeping the House and keeping the Democrats out of the House, keeping Hakeem Jeffries out of speaker, if we don't win 26, whoever the candidate is in 28, whether it's Kamala, whether it's Gavin or let's just say AOC and be really crazy, we will lose. We will lose because we will then be under impeachment inquiries with President Trump. And whatever the Democrat primary is, frankly doesn't matter if we don't have, if we don't pass the SAVE act and we don't have voter ID and proof of citizenship and we don't keep the House because President Trump will be a lame duck president, it will be impeachment. Hakeem Jeffries. And so whoever the candidate is, the Democrats kind of know that they have the system rigged. And if we don't keep the House, they will win 28. That is my assessment.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's absolutely the way this is going to go. I wanted to ask you something that's also a little specific to California here for a second. Corey DeAngelis, who is a school choice evangelist, as it says in his Twitter bio, put out this statistic, which is just pretty staggering going back the last decade. California, obviously largest population of any state in America. And also I think, is the LA public school the second biggest, I think, after New York City, the LA public school system's the second biggest, biggest one of any, any county in the country. LA public schools have lost about a third of their students, 26%, 26% of their students in the last decade, and they've increased staffing by just shy of 20%. How is that happening?

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, the answer is simple with the teachers unions, that they are not here to educate our children. Okay, California on a whole, we have the lowest literacy rate in the nation. We are at 50 of 50. Our public school system is failing to deliver even basic, basic education for the California students that go into the university system. Half of them don't even meet the state's own standards in English Language Arts. Okay, 37.3. Meet the standards in mathematics. These numbers are an indictment on the California education system. And yet what is continuing to happen, they're funneling money into these school districts that are losing students because of the teachers unions and because of the failed Democrat state that we live in, that there's not a referendum on our school system. And there are, you know, 60, I think it's 63 to 65% would favor school vouchers. Yet we can't even get this through because we have such a monopoly, a Democrat super majority, that they're never going to entertain this. So we. California is a broken state, but our education system highlights just how failed we are. I would never send my kids, never to a public school in California.

[Clay Travis]

We're coming up on a year since the Palisades fire, since so many people in the LA area lost their homes. I met a woman at the, at the World cup reveal and she said, please talk about the fact that nothing is being rebuilt, that California is a complete mess when it comes to allowing so many people to be able to return to where they used to live and just get started on what is a long process of rebuilding? How much frustration is there out there over what's going on with the LA fires? And does it cross party lines in a significant enough way that 2026 with Steve Hilton, for instance, could in any way be competitive, which would obviously mean a lot for the house, even with the redrawn map. What should we know about that?

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, the driving down Pacific coast highway and looking at Malibu, I do this whenever I have to drive down to LA because it avoids massive traffic. I will tell you, every single lot still burned down. There are for sale signs on almost every lot on that coastal property in Malibu. And I'm not exaggerating my indication. It is almost every lot there is a for sale sign. Why is that? Because these people cannot get approval. They cannot get building permits to rebuild their homes. And a lot of them lost fire. They didn't have fire insurance. And the fire insurance that they did have will not cover the rebuild of the existing home. And as Karen Bass has said, we are going to cut all the red tape. They cut zero red tape. There has been not even one real home rebuilt in since what we're at almost 12 months, 11 and a half months, nothing has been done. And I think this is on purpose. Gavin Newsom showed his hand when they were trying to take a large portion of that land and rezone it for low income housing. And they are now trying to bleed out all of the people that are sitting on their lots of waiting for these building permits and they just want those for sale signs to go up, have big developers come in or government to come in and take over the land. So this, this is very difficult to translate to the entire California. However. You see, yes, they failed. But if you're not driving by and you're not seeing day to day how little progress has actually been made, it's kind of old news to people in California except if you live in the Palisades area or you've had to relocate. So what does this mean for Steve Hilton? To your point, Steve Hilton has a amazing chance of winning. If we had a fair state, but we don't have voter id. We actually have a Senate. We have it enshrined in the Senate that you cannot ask, you cannot ask for an identification when you go to the polls. It's actually illegal. So if we don't get a hold of our voter rolls, if we don't have more registered conservatives and if allow illegals to continue voting, no Republican, no Republican can win this state. That's just the plain and simple facts for California.

[Buck Sexton]

Eddie Zachariah, great to have you on. Come back and talk to us again soon. Merry Christmas and we'll speak to you in the new year.

[Katie Zachariah]

All right, thanks.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Let go.

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[Clay Travis]

This is where mindset comes in.

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Someone will be eliminated.

[Clay Travis]

Pressure is coming down.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck, you are about to be on Christmas vacation. What is the Thing that you are most excited for, this is gonna be your first Christmas as a dad. Now next Christmas your son will start to get old enough where he can kind of know that there's festivities going on. And I think the best thing about Christmas by far is kids once they get to be about 2 to about 9 or so and they are just super excited about Santa Claus coming, it does not get much better than that. So you're still in the pre, pre Christmas frenzy for a little kid. But what are you most excited about on the Christmas holiday break here? By the way, we will have a lot of great guest hosts. I'll be with you Thursday, Friday and then we will be back with you after the first of the year. There's a lot of specials that'll be up, we'll have good hosts. We've named a lot of them for you. So you will still be able to, to hang out and, and have a great time. But what are you most excited for?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, my wife and, and my baby boy are with our in laws. For the next few days I'll be joining them. So the next few days I'm excited to try to sleep a lot. I took a nap in the middle of the day after radio yesterday. I am sick so to be fair. But I had a nap and, and I didn't have to wake up and, and change a diaper or do anything. I just was able to take a nap. So that's the stage of life I'm in. The fact that I can get some extra sleep is really exciting.

[Clay Travis]

I said this before. I used to travel cross country when the kids were little and I would work a lot at Fox Sports and my wife did an amazing job as, as the mom who was in charge of of them. But I would work a lot in LA on the Fox Sports a lot. The thing that I was most excited for at the end of work was to come back to the hotel room and have blackout curtains and just be able to get in bed and not have to get up super early in the morning. Now that was before I was doing my crazy early sports talk radio show which meant that I never got any sleep for about five years. But that was to me the best part. My kids are finishing their exams so it is, it's awesome to have kids because it takes you back to that world. Remember how great it felt. I don't know that there's any equivalent feeling to finishing that last exam or finishing that last class and getting out of school for Christmas break. That is one of the best Feelings. I don't know that there's an adult equivalent to it. Some of you may say, oh, it's when you actually retire, you know, you don't have to go into the office anymore. Maybe that's kind of the ultimate Christmas vacation. But my kids are coming back home. Yesterday, my middle son finished his last exam. You know what he did? Buck? He climbed into bed, took a three hour nap, got out of bed after all the exams and just said, I'm so excited that I don't have to do anything significant at school for the next couple of weeks. So I, I, that feeling is very tough to, to replace or replicate, I think for adults. How's the voice going to be for reading the book?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm hoping it will be fine. It sounds pretty good today. So this was a pretty mild cold as these things go. But yeah, I'm going to be reading the book. So, you know, you've prepared me for this to be really, really tough. But I, if I can go at a reasonable pace, I feel like it can't be that bad. How many days did it take you to do your book?

[Clay Travis]

I did it, I did all of them in two days because I didn't want to go back in for a third day. So I did, I don't remember four or five hours in a row each day of just sitting. And yes, my audiobook is me reading. Buck's book will be audio of, of him reading. But it is a, it's just a, it's a lot. You're just sitting there. We talk for a living, which is a weird thing to have as a job. But when you sit in an empty room and just read your own words, the toughest thing is you're going to find things that you wish you'd written different, written a little bit better. So good luck with that. We'll take some of your calls to close up the show. By the way, no surprise to us, our friends at PureTalk told us 2025, best year in the company's history. It's your support of PureTalk that's helped them achieve a record breaking year. On their behalf, a big thank you is in order. When you switched your cell phone service to PureTalk from AT&T Verizon or T Mobile, you helped PureTalk achieve their goals. Because of your generosity, through their Roundup for Charity program, they've been able to donate over half a million dollars to America's Warrior Partnership. That's a nonprofit that stands on the front lines of preventing veteran suicide. And when you choose Pure Talk. As your wireless provider, you choose to help support American jobs. So make the switch as you start off the new year. £2 50 say clay and buck. That's £2 50 say clay and Buck. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Our good friend Fanny Willis basically has had her entire Trump case tossed out.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you think she knows that we're big fans? I wonder.

[Clay Travis]

I would love to have her on. I hope she will in 2026. I hope she will accept the hand of fellowship from us. Not the same kind of hand of fellowship that she extended to Nathan Wade, her lover who she paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to. But that entire case has now been tossed and she is being grilled on why the people of Georgia paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation for her boy toy. And this happened a little bit earlier in Georgia. She was not happy about the questions.

[Fani Willis]

Listen, I don't review those documents. So you're asking me to look at documents that I haven't for the first time. What I can tell you is that.

[Buck Sexton]

I'll give you.

[Fani Willis]

160 hours a week and then Mr. Wade would be the first one in the office making sure that my staff arrived. He corrected their behavior. They thought that 8:30 meant 8:30. He taught him that 8:30 means 7:45. He got there before them, he left after him. He taught them how to do this case. And he was a leader to that team and a public servant. And for that him, like me, has been threatened thousands of times. You want something to investigate as a legislature, investigate how many times they've called me the N word. Why don't you investigate that? Why don't you investigate them writing on my house? Why don't you investigate the fact that my house has been swatted? If you want something to do with your time, that makes sense. And you can use all this in your campaign ad. You attacked Fannie Willis. What have you done? Sir?

[Buck Sexton]

Nothing.

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So I'll refer you to the screen. I know you said you don't approve.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't review these bills.

[Fani Willis]

So there's I can't talk to you about documents I don't approve and don't review. Can't talk to you about it.

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Who does approve the documents in your office when the voices come in?

[Fani Willis]

I thought we'd been through this.

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I don't believe you said who reviews.

[Clay Travis]

The invoices and approves the invoices?

[Fani Willis]

First of all, I have no first hand knowledge of it.

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You have no firsthand want me to.

[Fani Willis]

Testify about something I Don't have any firsthand knowledge of.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, wait, hold on. This is really. This is really the thing that stuck out to me here, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

And there's a lot.

[Buck Sexton]

There's a lot we could. We could discuss. Did she say that her paramour build 160 hours in a week?

[Clay Travis]

I believe she did in a week.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me tell you something. That is time in attendance fraud. Okay? There is absolutely 100 hours a week. Do the math on that one, everybody. A lot of investment banker types work at, you know, Morgan Stanley and Goldman. When they're analysts, they'll say they work, you know, 80 hours a week, and that is brutal. 100 hours a week is insane. 160 hours a week is not possible.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's 22.8 hours a day. I believe if the math.

[Buck Sexton]

No way. Zero. It's. It's not that. I think he probably didn't hit that number. There's a 0% chance that he hit that number, and I would argue he probably did less than half that number of actual time in any office.

[Clay Travis]

Beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is totally inflated. But I did. When I watched that clip this morning, what stood out to me was how quickly. And this is like, this is the number one playbook of people like Fanny Willis. Like, she think about what we know. 100% happened. She hired her lover, and she got him paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Georgia taxpayers. That is, as I said, a flagrant conflict of interest. It's completely unacceptable, frankly. The fact that she is still a public steward in any way being paid by any taxpayers is. Is. Is an indictment of our entire system. Okay? The fact that she turned a question, which is a very basic question about who approves basically these billable hours that are turned over that the state taxpayer has to fund into. You need to investigate. People saying mean things about me is perfect and also illustrative of the victimization culture that has been allowed to flourish. I mean, people said mean things about you because you hired your lover and then he was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Georgia taxpayers. I mean, I don't condone racial slurs, but you should be angry, very angry. If you're a Georgia taxpayer. If your taxpayer dollars went to subsidizing her lover, and if he was, as appears to be quite possible, likely even gouging all of the Georgia taxpayers with the amount of hours that he actually worked.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it could be fraud, though, is what I'm saying. It could be billing fraud. It's not just like, he was expensive. It's and by the way, if he built, if he charged anyone, anyone, the state of Georgia, a private client for 160 hours of work in a week, he is lying. That is fraud. Now, you would never charge a private client that because they would notice because they could do the simple math. But the whole point here and why she was being asked about who approved the TNA time and attendance for this kind of thing. That's why I spelled out time in attendance.

[Clay Travis]

Clay there. Yep.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay Travis. Good heavens. Good heavens, Mr. Clay. Where was I? Yes. It's because the state doesn't pay attention to these things. And so he knew he would get away with it.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. And I mean, he would probably argue, I'm sure, if he were quizzed on this. Well, I was back billing. That was multiple weeks of work. I mean, he would try to make an excuse about how the 160 hour bill came to be. But again, it would be utterly absurd for they're not to. For the fact that she still has a job and is being paid by taxpayers is an utter indictment of the system.

[Buck Sexton]

Can we also, though, just take a moment to think about Clay? She brings among the most high profile criminal cases of any person in American history in the sense that it is a RICO case against a former president and future president. A former and future president. She didn't know the future part necessarily at the time, but. And with that going on, she's going to have flagrant ethical issues like think, think about this. Don't you think that you might want to, you know, tighten the screws a.

[Clay Travis]

Little bit here, make sure that you're crystal clear that you are as clean, as clean as clean can be if you're going to bring the biggest criminal charge in the history of the state of Georgia. Yeah, I'd want to make sure that everything that I was doing personally was as clear and, and protected as possible. There was also, by the way, a big story. I don't know if you talked about this yesterday. I'll mention it now as we get ready to go to break, but I may talk about it a little bit tomorrow. Do you see the big FOX News story saying that tons of FBI agents told the Department of Justice there was not probable cause to conduct the raid at Mar a Lago and the Biden Department of Justice, which I believe worked in concert here with Fanny Willis, Nathan Wade, and all of them just said, we don't care. We're doing this. So the Biden Department of Justice overruled the FBI, which is supposed to be an independent arbiter of fact finding and said, even though you have qualms issues with whether this probable cause warrant is being issued correctly, go do it. We're basically ordering you to do it.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, of course. I mean, not surprising at all, right?

[Clay Travis]

But the fact that some of these FBI agents are now coming out and saying, hey, just so you know, we pushed back internally and said this probable cause is not sufficient to justify raiding the home of a former president. The, the fact that all of this Biden weaponization of lawfare, not one person is going to be held accountable for it. I mean, if you're out there and you're saying, okay, what were the consequences of all of this illegal targeting of President Trump? Unless there's some major indictment that's coming that I'm not privy to, and I think, by the way, it should be, it seems quite clear to me that the Biden team is just going to say, yeah, we got away with it. I know they're quizzing Jack Smith today, but I'm sure that he will say under oath, he'll just lie and say there was never any political consideration at all associated with the charges that the federal government brought. All I do is look at the facts. I don't care whether you're a Democrat or Republican. I mean, I can tell you exactly what his testimony is going to be, and it's all going to be a lie. But it looks like they're going to get away with it. So, so Trump won. Yes, but the lawfare that was used against him is not going to end with Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I do a hard turn just to get in the Scott Besant thing before I get ready to sign off for the end of the year? SCOTT besant, TREASURY SECRETARY, I know we're going a totally different direction now, but we covered the Fanny Willis thing. We really just wanted to let you hear her freak out. That was quite a, quite a moment. Scott Besson, you're talking about supply and demand. Turns out it does actually apply to the housing market. And illegal immigration does affect the housing market. Play Cut 8 the story that the.

[Clay Travis]

Biden administration doesn't want to talk about the mass unfettered immigration.

[Okta Announcer]

They have pushed up rents, especially for working Americans. There's a recent study out from Wharton School that shows every 1% increase in population rents went up 1%.

[Buck Sexton]

Wow.

[Okta Announcer]

So President Trump, by the enforcing the border, sending home more than 2 million illegals rents are, we're now seeing DNC rents coming down substantially. I think that that will continue this.

[Clay Travis]

For the rest of the year. We brought interest rates down.

[Okta Announcer]

So we've seen more mortgage rates down.

[Clay Travis]

And I think everything else will follow.

[Okta Announcer]

That.

[Buck Sexton]

Turns out the basic laws of economics, Clay, still apply.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. And this is, I think, one of the most important things about how you can say, okay, what does immigration do to cost of living in many different cities? You know, everybody elected mom, Donnie, because they're upset about what the overall cost of living is in New York City. How much cheaper do you think New York City cost of living would be if there were zero illegal immigrants in New York City? I think there'd be a lot more people able to live a lot more affordably. So when you pull illegal immigrants out of the population, there's fewer people here, which means rents come down. This is basic economics, but it's good to see that basic economic laws still apply.

[Buck Sexton]

Indeed. We'll get to your talkbacks and calls here to close us out. My last live radio show of 2025. I can't believe it. All right, let's talk about preborn here for a moment. Preborn is in a league of its own. This nonprofit saves the lives of tens of thousands of babies every year. Last year alone, they saved 65,000 unborn children, and they're likely to save 70,000 babies this calendar year. Their mission is to save lives every day by presenting pregnant mothers contemplating an abortion with a better alternative. That's life for their unborn child. The people working at preborn clinics start these moms with an ultrasound experience lets that mother meet her child, hear the heartbeat and see the movements of the child within her, and then that so often is a turning point and lets them save that life. Preborn accomplishes this with just $28 per ultrasound. Preborn clinics operate across the country where abortion rates are highest. So if you can please make a donation, do so. And if you can do it monthly, that would be fantastic. $28 a month and it will be matched by a silent donor. This month, I might add. Dial pound250, say the keyword baby. That's pound250, say baby or go to preborn.com buck buck preborn.com buck sponsored by preborn.

[Clay Travis]

Keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history. On the Team 47 podcast, Clay and Buck highlight Trump replays from the week Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Bucket. I'm gonna. You know what, Clay? I'm gonna take this one, even though I think you were supposed to because it's my last one of the year and you're gonna be able to hang out with everybody for six hours the next couple of days and I'm going to be sad. I'm going to miss all of you until the new year and then we're going to be back rocking and rolling and let's, let's get into some of this here. Clay, apparently not willing to let bygones be bygones on this one. Terry From Minnesota left us a talk back. BB wants to weigh in.

[Clay Travis]

Fucking Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

It's your boy Terry here from the Crescent, Minnesota again on my lunch walk. Yeah, it's not patina.

[Clay Travis]

Okay?

[Buck Sexton]

It's patina.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, you're putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, let's get this right.

[Clay Travis]

Your boy here is an English major. Okay, think about it guys. It's patina, okay? If you collect coins, if you collect.

[Buck Sexton]

Cars, you know this, it's not patent.

[Clay Travis]

All right, I. I'm just gonna say that a little something called Merriam Webster's dictionary disagrees with both you and Buck. I flagged this, by the way. Buck, first of all, fun talk back. I'm getting hate mail for you over your gun choices. I don't even. This came to me.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, nice, nice. We have. We have the senior citizens with their 1911s getting angry again. Nice.

[Clay Travis]

Get ready, Buck. The subject matter was poor choice of words. And then the first sentence was poor choice of words. I would have responded sooner, but power has only recently been restored. If you own a 1911, you need a sippy cup. This is what he's quoting you as saying. I suppose. I live in the mountains of north central Washington. I listened to those insulting words on a hand cranked AM radio. I personally do not own a 1911. I have a Sig 2 20. It's a high quality tool. I have a friend from the army and she can bust more clays in the air with her 1911 than most men can hit with an expensive Benell 12 gauge shotgun. You have insulted many brother and sister veterans. I taught and trained the instructors for the 10 mountain division. And then enjoy your rose wine at your n next Pink Pistols meeting. Look forward to hearing you bragging on winning the women's division at Camp Perry, Steve B. That's an email I legitimately got from somebody named Steve B. Today. So if he's listening on his hand cranked radio that you're angry at Bach. I don't know anything about guns.

[Buck Sexton]

That we're not the same person. Like you don't. It's not like you're doing two voices here. Why is he writing this to you?

[Clay Travis]

I don't. I think he thought that it was me. I. That I was going after the guns. Oh man, that was Ricky. Ricky in Houston, ktrh. Great station down in Houston. Ff. You have to admire Clay's unwavering confidence and Buck's humility.

[Buck Sexton]

Any real listener knows that Buck's argument was Biden would be running and the only way he Wouldn't was if Kamala replaced him. But Buck fell on the sword that is Buck island, so Clay could feel good about himself. Merry Christmas, guys. I mean, that there's some truth into that. I. I don't want to relitigate this. I don't want to relitigate this, but my thing all along was that it has to be Biden. If it's not Biden, it's Kamala. But then there was one point where I said, biden's gonna run. Biden did technically run, but he bailed on his run. So, you know, we're gonna. You know, we gotta. We gotta just sorta. I took the yell on it, though, and I bought Clay the most expensive steak I've ever bought anyone in my entire life. And we got a whole magic show out of it. So that was fun.

[Clay Travis]

It was great. That was a really fun steak. And by the way, hopefully you had a great Christmas party. Carrie, I imagine, was involved in the vast majority of planning that. So Carrie put on a great Christmas party. Hopefully we're going to be able to do some more of those in South Florida in the years ahead, and that that will be a good opportunity to also go sample some more stakes, starting very soon when Kamala announces her. So I don't think we'll get it in 26, though, because I think we're gonna have to run. I don't think she'll officially announce until, like, February or something of 27.

[Buck Sexton]

I think what you're saying is there's a lot of time that can pass and that the polls can change and that as Democrats pay closer attention, they may realize what a disaster she would be even to be in the race, because she will box out Gavin Newsom. And perhaps it is you who shall be buying the stakes. But either way, steak or no steak, it has been a fantastic 2025. Some might even say fabulous. And I just want to say I love all of you very much. Thank you so much for listening. My birthday is December 28th. I'll be 44 years old. And this has been truly one of the best years I can remember. It has been great here on the show. I became a dad. My wife is incredible. Even Clay's a lot of fun day to day. So it's been.

[Clay Travis]

It's been wonderful.

[Buck Sexton]

So thank you all so much. Have a very, very merry Christmas. And whether you're a flute player or a 1911 owner or who else have we upset recently? Just Merry Christmas, dogs, rose drinkers. You're great, too. We love all of you. Shh.

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[Clay Travis]

This is where mindset comes in.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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